This first saw this idea kicked around on slashdot a few months ago. I actually had sit down with one of my professors (who actually helped invent the internet, and I don't mean that in the Al Gore way) He said, IIRC, that for such a setup, effeciently updating dns entries would become a nightmare very quickly. Remember - there are only 12 root dns servers. I'd imagine that if you did the math, the sum total of all DNS entries would be on the order gigabytes (or maybe even tens of gigabytes) of data. Broadband simply is not at the point where it can cope with such a load.
I strongly disagree with that statement. The professor for whom I am currently doing research did in part invent the internet, or at least a few important cornerstones. He is in no way corrupted - he is a realist and sees the internet as it is. I would think most of the founders of the internet are like him - they tend to shy away from the polical issues, prefering instead to focus their energy into the engineering side of it. When that happens, you create a power vacuum, and it pulls in just the kind of people John Gilmore is railing against.
What you are saying makes perfect sense, but you fall a bit short, IMHO. Hell, as long as you *own* both the console and the unsecured game, what you are doing is legal. Assume someone does exactly that - takes that code, smashes the stack, and takes control of the box. How much work would it be to go from there, to setup some output device and find out exactly where and what the bootup sequence is? After you do that, it's only a matter of time until the thing is completely reverse engineered.
Unless I am mistaken, res judica (variant of collateral estoppel) says that if a claim in one court is upheld, it is assumed to be legitiment. In other words, in this case, let's say Mr. Batt's lawyers make a motion to dismiss the case on the grounds that you cannot copyright sounds that occur naturally. And let us further assume that he loses that motion. Under res judica, lawyers in other such suits could then argue that because the judge dismissed the motion and allowed the case to proceed, it is assumed you that can in fact copyright sounds that occur naturally. Then, everyone who has ever included ocean sounds, or wind, or flowing water on their album could be sued. Is there something wrong with that line of thought?
My mother is science dept. head at a local private school. This past april, they had to move out of their classrooms; the labs are being renovated. When she saw some of the stuff they had to move out, she was horrified. Apparently, the chemistry teacher during the early 80's (long gone) had been all too happy to take donated chemicals from the community. The buisnesses saw it as a wonderful opportunity to dispose of the very dangerous chemicals they they didn't want to pay to dispose of. My personal favorite was the magnesium they found, submerged in oil to keep it from exploding and burning down the school. Just goes to show you what some buisness are willing to do.
Complaing that this is possible to do for open source projects while promoting closed source (windows) is rather like the pot calling the kettle black.
I agree 100% with parent. Looking at those graphs, you should expect (hope) to see (A) a downgrade [red icon] at the peaks, and (B) upgrades [green icons] at the troughs. I counted exactly none that meet that description. Jesus, how shoddy is that?
"That way the only pirated copies will be crappy third generation digital copies or worse"
A third generation *digital* copy is still a perfect copy of the original. Pirates will inevitably (and quickly) figure out how to make unlimited numbers of copies, thereby rendering the whole new format useless for DRM. Ironic, don'tcha think?
It's actually ironic that you mention this. I was talking to one of the computer science professors just this past week, and I asked him why they don't offer such a class to the computer science and computer engineers (as it is, they just *assume* all the students know linux after a 30 minute intro w/ handout). He agreed that they definetly need it. And, as a side note, the computers in the lab that *do* run it are configured HORRIBLY. (Ever try running KDE w/ Konqueror on a 233? -- DON'T) Not exactly conducive to getting the students to appreciate it.
I'd like to say that's complete BS. I work on a college campus, and I'm basically the dorm's computer go-to guy. That means I've basically seen it all, as far as what "normal" windows users can do. I will say this - even the slowest people know how to put files where they want. Yes, most of them use the default My Documents, but that's more of convience. I have yet to find someone who doesn't know that you click on "My computer" to access all your drives. This is just more "Windows users are so dumb" pro-linux FUD.
It was the next day, Brothers, and I had truly done my best morning and afternoon to play it their way and sit like a horrorshow cooperative malchick in the chair of torture while they flashed nasty bits of ultra-violence on the screen. Though not on the soundtrack, my Brothers, the only sound being music. Then I noticed in my pain and sickness what music it was that like cracked and boomed. It was Ludwig Van's Ninth Symphony, fourth movement. Ahhggggg! No. No. Stop it. Stop it. Please I beg of you. It's a sin! It's a sin! It's a sin!!!
To a certain extent, you are right. I remember in "The Cathedral and the Baazar" it was mentioned that open source isn't exactly a great model for creating new applications from scratch- most projects start out as one individual programming the scaffolding, and then others fill in the missing portions (or make existing parts better). A quick look on freshmeat reveals something - 99% of the projects there are trying to create open source alternatives to programs that already exist for windows. Only a small handful are programs that don't already exist in some form for windows.
I installed that crap on my XP box (don't worry, M$ didn't make a dime off of me:-p), and my machine hit a nice brick wall. P4-1.4, 256 megs of ram, and it often took around 15 seconds to wake from "standby". I had to annihilate my windows installation and start over to fix the problem.
Slashdot Mirror
This first saw this idea kicked around on slashdot a few months ago. I actually had sit down with one of my professors (who actually helped invent the internet, and I don't mean that in the Al Gore way) He said, IIRC, that for such a setup, effeciently updating dns entries would become a nightmare very quickly. Remember - there are only 12 root dns servers. I'd imagine that if you did the math, the sum total of all DNS entries would be on the order gigabytes (or maybe even tens of gigabytes) of data. Broadband simply is not at the point where it can cope with such a load.
As was said in a previous slashdot comment,
ICANN will now be known as UCANT
(Universal Controller of All Network Traffic)
I strongly disagree with that statement. The professor for whom I am currently doing research did in part invent the internet, or at least a few important cornerstones. He is in no way corrupted - he is a realist and sees the internet as it is. I would think most of the founders of the internet are like him - they tend to shy away from the polical issues, prefering instead to focus their energy into the engineering side of it. When that happens, you create a power vacuum, and it pulls in just the kind of people John Gilmore is railing against.
What you are saying makes perfect sense, but you fall a bit short, IMHO. Hell, as long as you *own* both the console and the unsecured game, what you are doing is legal. Assume someone does exactly that - takes that code, smashes the stack, and takes control of the box. How much work would it be to go from there, to setup some output device and find out exactly where and what the bootup sequence is? After you do that, it's only a matter of time until the thing is completely reverse engineered.
nihilistic technofetishist
I thought for sure that would be a successful googlewhack... pity.
Ah - so it sets precedent but is not binding. Thanks greatly for the information.
IANAL, but:
Unless I am mistaken, res judica (variant of collateral estoppel) says that if a claim in one court is upheld, it is assumed to be legitiment. In other words, in this case, let's say Mr. Batt's lawyers make a motion to dismiss the case on the grounds that you cannot copyright sounds that occur naturally. And let us further assume that he loses that motion. Under res judica, lawyers in other such suits could then argue that because the judge dismissed the motion and allowed the case to proceed, it is assumed you that can in fact copyright sounds that occur naturally. Then, everyone who has ever included ocean sounds, or wind, or flowing water on their album could be sued. Is there something wrong with that line of thought?
My mother is science dept. head at a local private school. This past april, they had to move out of their classrooms; the labs are being renovated. When she saw some of the stuff they had to move out, she was horrified. Apparently, the chemistry teacher during the early 80's (long gone) had been all too happy to take donated chemicals from the community. The buisnesses saw it as a wonderful opportunity to dispose of the very dangerous chemicals they they didn't want to pay to dispose of. My personal favorite was the magnesium they found, submerged in oil to keep it from exploding and burning down the school. Just goes to show you what some buisness are willing to do.
It'd be so heartwarming to mod you down to -5.
When they start selling the stuff owned and used by the nobel prize owners, then I'll pull out my wallet
Very funny....
has exceeded its authority, does not operate in an open fashion, and is dangerously unaccountable ...oh wait, this *isn't* talking about congress?
*coughcough* Cydoor *coughcough* Kazaa.
Complaing that this is possible to do for open source projects while promoting closed source (windows) is rather like the pot calling the kettle black.
As soon as I looked at the article, I thought "Gee, someone *HAD* to have applied Moore's law to this article"
I agree 100% with parent. Looking at those graphs, you should expect (hope) to see (A) a downgrade [red icon] at the peaks, and (B) upgrades [green icons] at the troughs. I counted exactly none that meet that description. Jesus, how shoddy is that?
"That way the only pirated copies will be crappy third generation digital copies or worse"
A third generation *digital* copy is still a perfect copy of the original. Pirates will inevitably (and quickly) figure out how to make unlimited numbers of copies, thereby rendering the whole new format useless for DRM. Ironic, don'tcha think?
Why pay for Microsoft Office, or any other Microsoft product, when you can get them for free from practically anywhere?
Why pay for the cow when you get the milk for free?
It's actually ironic that you mention this. I was talking to one of the computer science professors just this past week, and I asked him why they don't offer such a class to the computer science and computer engineers (as it is, they just *assume* all the students know linux after a 30 minute intro w/ handout). He agreed that they definetly need it. And, as a side note, the computers in the lab that *do* run it are configured HORRIBLY. (Ever try running KDE w/ Konqueror on a 233? -- DON'T) Not exactly conducive to getting the students to appreciate it.
I'd like to say that's complete BS. I work on a college campus, and I'm basically the dorm's computer go-to guy. That means I've basically seen it all, as far as what "normal" windows users can do. I will say this - even the slowest people know how to put files where they want. Yes, most of them use the default My Documents, but that's more of convience. I have yet to find someone who doesn't know that you click on "My computer" to access all your drives. This is just more "Windows users are so dumb" pro-linux FUD.
It's been done.
It was the next day, Brothers, and I had truly done my best morning and afternoon to play it their way and sit like a horrorshow cooperative malchick in the chair of torture while they flashed nasty bits of ultra-violence on the screen. Though not on the soundtrack, my Brothers, the only sound being music. Then I noticed in my pain and sickness what music it was that like cracked and boomed. It was Ludwig Van's Ninth Symphony, fourth movement. Ahhggggg! No. No. Stop it. Stop it. Please I beg of you. It's a sin! It's a sin! It's a sin!!!
Hurl them out the door so fast that you can see a redshift on their ass.
Most humerous. I'm definetely going to have to remember that one.
To a certain extent, you are right. I remember in "The Cathedral and the Baazar" it was mentioned that open source isn't exactly a great model for creating new applications from scratch- most projects start out as one individual programming the scaffolding, and then others fill in the missing portions (or make existing parts better). A quick look on freshmeat reveals something - 99% of the projects there are trying to create open source alternatives to programs that already exist for windows. Only a small handful are programs that don't already exist in some form for windows.
I installed that crap on my XP box (don't worry, M$ didn't make a dime off of me :-p), and my machine hit a nice brick wall. P4-1.4, 256 megs of ram, and it often took around 15 seconds to wake from "standby". I had to annihilate my windows installation and start over to fix the problem.
(As a non-southerner)
That is soooo wrong, yet so funny