exactly. StarOffice and Netscape are also in closed source form (even after OpenOffice and Mozilla sources were made public), to name other examples.
But in the debate Siva didnt convey that, instead he agreed with the MPAA rep on the notion that there was no DVD player for Linux because it was not possible to keep the source closed. Anyone have ideas on why he would say that or where he was comming from?
hmmm... March, and here I thought it was October. Man that's embarrasing. I must be doing too much or be under a lot of stress lately if two months feel like seven. Either that or the afternoon that day felt like October.
ok, i found their archive of abstracts and debater bios, and links from the abstracts point to recordings, but no mention of DMCA/DeCSS/etc in the listing of archived shows at all. Very odd that it's not there.
A few months back there was a Justice Talking (a show on NPR) that debated the DMCA, Siva was the voice against it, an MPAA rep (sorry, I forget the guy's name) the pro voice. I was in attendence at it's recording.
Some of the interesting tidbits from that session that I can remember (this was in October I think, so my accuracy should be called into question):
Someone suggested that DeCSS may not exist if there were a DVD player available for Linux. The MPAA guy argued that all programs written for Linux must be open-sourced, which would compromise what is essentially their security-through-obscurity scheme of handling CSS. And Siva AGREED! Now correct me if I'm wrong - isnt it possible to write programs for Linux that are closed-source?
Tidbit #2 - Someone asked about making backup copies and their allowance under fair use. The MPAA rep countered that making a backup of a movie (whether it be video or DVD) is not permitted under fair use. A big look of shock on many people's faces after that statement.
Justice Talking used to keep RealAudio recordings of their shows on their site, but I never did see this session on the site in the weeks following the debate for whatever reason. (I suspect maybe it didnt appear because they played a 3-5 second clip from a musical version of DeCSS during the show, and then asked the MPAA rep if they violated the DMCA) Unfortunately, looking at the site now you have to buy a transcript or CD recording.
funny you mention that, Drexel IS where I go to school. yeah, the st95xxxx was a big whack job. Cant imagine trying to remember friend's addresses using that (actually, I do know some people with those usernames, thank god for aliases!).
Let's see, you started in 1996, probably a 5-year CS student. You probably graduated last June (a guess). I think they keep accounts active for one year after graduating, which would be why your account is still working.
-my school uses initials + two digits (William J Clinton -> wjc33) -the CS dept systems use [u|g] (meaning undergrad or grad) + first initial, lastname, max N chars (uwclinto, uwclint2) -there's the popular first initial, last name, digits as appropiate, up to N chars (wclinton, wclinto2) -i've also seen first initial, middle initial, last name (all up to 6 chars), then a 2 digit number as appropriate (wjclin, wjclin2, wjclin11)
I've never seen first.m.last as login names in actual practice. I have seen them used as aliases for email addressing, but not the actual loginname.
as for which is the best scheme, it really depends on the size of the organization, IMO, and the size limit on the username field. If anything, that size limit will be what makes it tough.
As for usernames causing a potential security risk, one thing you can do is disable direct root login (ie, require su, even at the console), then log who's using su.
Under NT, disable "Administrator" login, and give an alternate loginname administrator rights. (note: I'm not sure if this can actually be done)
wait a sec, I go to Drexel. I think you meant the 7-11 at 34th & Lancaster, but that ATM charges like $2, and there's a different bum each week. Is there a Wawa I dont know about at 34th & Market? Or did you mean 36th & Chestnut? Where's there's also a different bum each week.
For me, First Union charges a buck at any non-FU ATM. Thankfully, they have some ATMs at 30th St Station.
a WaWa is basically a 7-11 in the mid-atlantic states, and they seem to be everywhere (and I do mean EVERYWHERE). Some jokes regarding this include "You're from South Jersey if.... you know what a WaWa is, and can name the locations of about 10 of them," "You can give directions by where the WaWas are"
clearly the rebuttal to this is the security of OSS tools. Hackers have access to their source and are able to break into systems running them, just as much as Microsoft systems can be broken into without source available.
interesting you say that. i saw this story and read it, mentioned it to a co-worker and that CNN was involved, and we quite interested. We (my research group) has a paper upcoming where we reference news articles, including one or two from CNN.com. Granted, the story is from 2000, and probably wont change given that similar articles appear elsewhere. Maybe we'll try to dig up a second reference.
well, not entirely. I still use my brain and feel brain drained like you folks. 'Course I'm on co-op right now doing research in reverse engineering, where I apply what I learned in class, and still work part time during classes doing the same thing. So by the time I graduate, I have 18 months work experience, whereas Penn students have less experience.
Seriously, some of my profs went to Penn. They tell us that classes at Penn (at least CS, anyway) are more theory oriented, while Drexel are more hands on and practical work. They say the reason for this at Drexel is because of the co-op program.
well, you ivy-leagurers put yourselves on a rather high pedestal as far as "real schools" are concerned. but anyways, at the undergrad level, yeah, Drexel is kinda a degree mill mixed with internships. graduate level work is where the "real school" takes place here.
CNN recently had an article about tuition for private schools are rising faster than inflation and average family income, meaning college is truely out of reach for some mid- and almost all lower class families. Perhaps MS's bulk licensing is a contributing reason? (sorry, i cant find the link at the moment)
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exactly. StarOffice and Netscape are also in closed source form (even after OpenOffice and Mozilla sources were made public), to name other examples.
But in the debate Siva didnt convey that, instead he agreed with the MPAA rep on the notion that there was no DVD player for Linux because it was not possible to keep the source closed. Anyone have ideas on why he would say that or where he was comming from?
thanks!
... March, and here I thought it was October. Man that's embarrasing. I must be doing too much or be under a lot of stress lately if two months feel like seven. Either that or the afternoon that day felt like October.
hmmm
ok, i found their archive of abstracts and debater bios, and links from the abstracts point to recordings, but no mention of DMCA/DeCSS/etc in the listing of archived shows at all. Very odd that it's not there.
A few months back there was a Justice Talking (a show on NPR) that debated the DMCA, Siva was the voice against it, an MPAA rep (sorry, I forget the guy's name) the pro voice. I was in attendence at it's recording.
Some of the interesting tidbits from that session that I can remember (this was in October I think, so my accuracy should be called into question):
Someone suggested that DeCSS may not exist if there were a DVD player available for Linux. The MPAA guy argued that all programs written for Linux must be open-sourced, which would compromise what is essentially their security-through-obscurity scheme of handling CSS. And Siva AGREED! Now correct me if I'm wrong - isnt it possible to write programs for Linux that are closed-source?
Tidbit #2 - Someone asked about making backup copies and their allowance under fair use. The MPAA rep countered that making a backup of a movie (whether it be video or DVD) is not permitted under fair use. A big look of shock on many people's faces after that statement.
Justice Talking used to keep RealAudio recordings of their shows on their site, but I never did see this session on the site in the weeks following the debate for whatever reason. (I suspect maybe it didnt appear because they played a 3-5 second clip from a musical version of DeCSS during the show, and then asked the MPAA rep if they violated the DMCA) Unfortunately, looking at the site now you have to buy a transcript or CD recording.
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Would that mean he got the section title from somthing CmdrTaco wrote?
funny you mention that, Drexel IS where I go to school. yeah, the st95xxxx was a big whack job. Cant imagine trying to remember friend's addresses using that (actually, I do know some people with those usernames, thank god for aliases!).
Let's see, you started in 1996, probably a 5-year CS student. You probably graduated last June (a guess). I think they keep accounts active for one year after graduating, which would be why your account is still working.
aka, traffic analysis. the same that could be done at the post office if they wanted to.
-my school uses initials + two digits (William J Clinton -> wjc33)
-the CS dept systems use [u|g] (meaning undergrad or grad) + first initial, lastname, max N chars (uwclinto, uwclint2)
-there's the popular first initial, last name, digits as appropiate, up to N chars (wclinton, wclinto2)
-i've also seen first initial, middle initial, last name (all up to 6 chars), then a 2 digit number as appropriate (wjclin, wjclin2, wjclin11)
I've never seen first.m.last as login names in actual practice. I have seen them used as aliases for email addressing, but not the actual loginname.
as for which is the best scheme, it really depends on the size of the organization, IMO, and the size limit on the username field. If anything, that size limit will be what makes it tough.
As for usernames causing a potential security risk, one thing you can do is disable direct root login (ie, require su, even at the console), then log who's using su.
Under NT, disable "Administrator" login, and give an alternate loginname administrator rights. (note: I'm not sure if this can actually be done)
Lastly, always change default passwds and, if appropriate, disable guest logins.
Wouldn't fragile work better than fragmentation, as well as doe instead of doctor?
wait a sec, I go to Drexel. I think you meant the 7-11 at 34th & Lancaster, but that ATM charges like $2, and there's a different bum each week. Is there a Wawa I dont know about at 34th & Market? Or did you mean 36th & Chestnut? Where's there's also a different bum each week.
For me, First Union charges a buck at any non-FU ATM. Thankfully, they have some ATMs at 30th St Station.
i know i do. i do wanna try that grilled chicken hoagie though.......
there's also a Wawa in Pennsylvania, which is where (i think) the chain is HQ'd
a WaWa is basically a 7-11 in the mid-atlantic states, and they seem to be everywhere (and I do mean EVERYWHERE). Some jokes regarding this include "You're from South Jersey if .... you know what a WaWa is, and can name the locations of about 10 of them," "You can give directions by where the WaWas are"
my name ain't mike
Japanese market seemed far more demanding of functionality which dealt with quality issues
"Honey, pack your bags!! We're moving!!"
GNU/nah, GNU/but GNU/sed GNU/might GNU/be GNU/necessary GNU/to GNU/read GNU/it.
GNU/I GNU/once GNU/read GNU/something GNU/saying GNU/that GNU/RMS GNU/won't GNU/rest GNU/until "GNU" GNU/is GNU/in GNU/front GNU/of GNU/every GNU/word GNU/in GNU/the GNU/English GNU/language. GNU/Doesnt GNU/he GNU/realize GNU/that GNU/too GNU/much GNU/of GNU/a GNU/thing GNU/would GNU/leave GNU/him GNU/joyless, GNU/not GNU/to GNU/mention GNU/it's GNU/just GNU/plain GNU/weird?
honestly, i realized that after i posted. i was hoping no body else would note it.
yeah that's true, but how often are open sourced systems cracked? i would not be surprised if the statistic is much less than closed source systems.
clearly the rebuttal to this is the security of OSS tools. Hackers have access to their source and are able to break into systems running them, just as much as Microsoft systems can be broken into without source available.
So says Roblimo:
Perhaps one of you Slashdot-reading CNN tech guys could talk to Wastler and other CNN editors about automatic story versioning
You trying to get CNN to run Slash?
interesting you say that. i saw this story and read it, mentioned it to a co-worker and that CNN was involved, and we quite interested. We (my research group) has a paper upcoming where we reference news articles, including one or two from CNN.com. Granted, the story is from 2000, and probably wont change given that similar articles appear elsewhere. Maybe we'll try to dig up a second reference.
well, not entirely. I still use my brain and feel brain drained like you folks. 'Course I'm on co-op right now doing research in reverse engineering, where I apply what I learned in class, and still work part time during classes doing the same thing. So by the time I graduate, I have 18 months work experience, whereas Penn students have less experience.
Seriously, some of my profs went to Penn. They tell us that classes at Penn (at least CS, anyway) are more theory oriented, while Drexel are more hands on and practical work. They say the reason for this at Drexel is because of the co-op program.
well, you ivy-leagurers put yourselves on a rather high pedestal as far as "real schools" are concerned. but anyways, at the undergrad level, yeah, Drexel is kinda a degree mill mixed with internships. graduate level work is where the "real school" takes place here.
CNN recently had an article about tuition for private schools are rising faster than inflation and average family income, meaning college is truely out of reach for some mid- and almost all lower class families. Perhaps MS's bulk licensing is a contributing reason? (sorry, i cant find the link at the moment)