You use AMIGA in your example? Let's talk about current platforms, please.
Windows 2000's management features don't even APPROACH Zenworks' functionality. Don't give me that shit...
Our workstations get 2k and 98... what's that have to do with anything? You can have them run with Windows on the network if you want. That'll be your nightmare.
Yeah, about Security: take a look at that mailing list again. Notice all of the OpenSSL exploits which have plagued GNU/BSD OS's for weeks now?? Was Netware susceptible? Check all of the security patches available on security.debian.org for example...
BSD is very secure, and just as secure (if not more so) than Netware. I will NOT argue with you on that point... Linux is another story, however. Sure, it's secure if you keep up on all the patches, i'm not denying that (I use Linux at home, i'd like to work with Linux on the desktop at work if we can swing it (mostly to avoid M$'s increasingly draconian licensing)) However, it does not measure up to Netware's security as far as i'm concerned.
Just to clarify: with respect to security I am not taking jabs at Linux or BSD... just Windows (it being the more popular NOS and all) Linux, despite its warts and pimples, has acceptible security and make it easy to keep up on the latest updates (which, I find, are released quickly enough so that most security flaws are not an issue) without rebooting (which is something that Netware should work on, IMO)
And I stand by the premise I made that Novell is still a contender, it's NOT an 'old workhorse' like the topic states... it is a modern, feature-ful NOS which can stand up to any other NOS on the market today. As far as i'm concerned, that is an inarguable point.
Groupwise is fine on our main server, but we run it in protected memory space anyway. Usually Backup Exec (I think our BE install is hosed) and NAV Enterprise are the cause of any crashes we have.
We're moving to Netware 6 before the end of the year, however my boss doesn't want to go with NFS... he's looking at Samba or Netware web access if that's feasible.
Some have claimed to be able to run Linux binaries on Netware 6 (due to the availability of libc, I suppose), however I don't know anyone who has tried it personally (my supervisor has)
I don't know what you mean by 'ripping off their directory structure but directory services have been around for longer than NDS... and AD seems like it's just a kludge to manage domains anyway.
If it's not running fast enough for you compared to your Unix/NT solutions then you are not administrating it properly. Out of the box, Netware is configured pretty badly -- only useable for very small networks. With some tweaking (increasing the Packet Recieve Buffers, for example) it will outperform any NT box and even many Unix boxen on the same hardware.
0 chance of surviving... if you seriously think that the lack of a 'bootloader' affects its chances of surviving in the marketplace then you are not much of a consultant.
You're probably from the same ilk who thinks that the last version of Netware was 3.1
Ncpfs can access NDS, but it requires IPX... Right now I am bench-testing a Linux machine running a Netware 5.1 network and it can mount our SYS and DATA volumes just fine.
When Nimda, Code Red and the other viruses plagued every other network on the planet, guess whos networks were NOT?
That's right, our Netware and Groupwise-based networks didn't even flinch.
Netware is extremely stable, extremely secure and more manageable than any other NOS on the planet. Those benefits, taken as a whole, are something that NO OTHER NOS can claim.
Netware 6 has web-based client access which will allow you to do similar things under any platform that you can under Windows. You can use the ncpfs suite too but they are IPX only.
Iprint *should* work under Linux but I hear it doesn't. That's one major downside if you have network printers... this is a problem i'm wrestling with right now, actually.
I think the undelete features are great, especially when it has all these revisions of different files you have been working on over the network. If some Excel file gets corrupted (it's happened a few times here at the office) our users can just use the Salvage option and they can roll back to the latest version of the file they've been working on (assuming that we didn't need to purge all those files to recoup some disk space recently)
And recovering folders isn't that difficult. I didn't find it to be so, anyway. They were kept in the Deleted.sav directory. The only problem was that the directory hierarchy wasn't maintained. At least they were able to get their files back.
They've added memory protection since 5.x... it's configurable too, you can choose which applications are resident in protected memory and which ones you don't. It's great for flakier NLMs that can risk your uptime if they go down.
Yeah, but I think that UT's weapons were overpowered... or at least some of them were. The flak cannon was almost instant death without a shieldbelt, the shock combo was pretty brutal too. The rocket launcher with 5 rockets was pretty overkill, if you ask me.
A personal preference. I find the gameplay different. Not much better, not much worse. Just different.
Actually, this is GREAT news as far as i'm concerned!
I believe that M$ isn't being too careful here. I believe they are trying to pull this shit WAY too quickly. Seriously, we are in the midst of an increasingly digital age where many people are comfortable with online multimedia content and the freedom to use it.
Sure, Microsoft is sucking up to Hollywood by providing the first DRM Operating System. Sure, Intel and AMD is following their lead. It'll bite them in the ass in the end.
Think about it: all of the sudden average Joe user cannot play MP3's they grabbed off of Kazaa or Morpheus. All of the sudden you can't download and/or make VCD's of your favorite movie?
The average person is much easier to accept some loss of freedom if they feel they aren't affected by it... once they are significantly affected by this look out.
If Joe Sixpack finds that the new Microsoft OS limits his ability to do these things, do you think he'll be in any hurry to upgrade? If he finds that the new hardware won't work without it, do you think the user will want to jump on the "I love Restrictions!" bandwagon?
And believe me, once Intel and AMD (I fully expect M$ to be the LAST company to back down from this) see their hardware sales plummett they'll quickly re-think their strategy.
And without the hardware support, M$ can't win. The more they tighten their grip, the more users will slip through their fingers (now where did I hear that from?)
The only wildcard here are the legislators, and it really depends on how quickly they can pull appropriate legislation to prevent the above scenario from happening -- and I have a feeling they won't.
So go for it, Microsoft! Go Bill! Keep digging that hole for yourself, because if there is one thing that the free market has proven time and time again is your enemies will always be there to pick up the pieces after you've gone.
I think otherwise. When I first played it, I thought "more of the same." I don't know about it being like Q3... it didn't feel that way to me, but i've only played Q3 for 3 hours (total) in my entire life.
After playing it for a while I really got into it. The graphics are nice and the gameplay is fast-paced and fun. The weapons took some getting used to (being used to UT weapons, there were some significant changes) but after a while I took quite a liking to them.
Bombing Run looks like the ULTIMATE team game to me (CS and other TC's notwithstanding)... I ran a server last night and I was surprised at how great some of the teams played and how much teamwork is involved.
Some UT die-hards won't like it, that's for sure... but you can't make these kinds of changes without disappointing some people.
The full game will be even better, I think. The single-player ladder looks to be promising with the ability to manage your team (trade and draft team-members, etc.)... they've really put some effort into making UT2K3 feel like a sport rather than just a FPS.
Seems it is true...the security of your web server depends on how effective you are at keeping up to date on patches, no matter if you are running Windows or Linux."
Of course it is, this is a no-brainer. However, I believe the real issue here is the availability of available fixes for these issues. With Linux, BSD, etc. these issues have been fixed in an acceptable amount of time. Can the same be said for Windows?
If it can always be disabled, what is there to prevent a virus writer from doing exactly that? It would seem this would defeat the purpose of its existence.
I really hope you're right about this. After reading much of this i've been worried that eventually any "untrusted" application (such as Linux, especially considering that freeware developers would not be able to pay for the frequent testing involved to properly license their application.
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You use AMIGA in your example? Let's talk about current platforms, please.
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... what's that have to do with anything? You can have them run with Windows on the network if you want. That'll be your nightmare.
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... just Windows (it being the more popular NOS and all) Linux, despite its warts and pimples, has acceptible security and make it easy to keep up on the latest updates (which, I find, are released quickly enough so that most security flaws are not an issue) without rebooting (which is something that Netware should work on, IMO)
... it is a modern, feature-ful NOS which can stand up to any other NOS on the market today. As far as i'm concerned, that is an inarguable point.
Windows 2000's management features don't even APPROACH Zenworks' functionality. Don't give me that shit
Our workstations get 2k and 98
Yeah, about Security: take a look at that mailing list again. Notice all of the OpenSSL exploits which have plagued GNU/BSD OS's for weeks now?? Was Netware susceptible? Check all of the security patches available on security.debian.org for example
BSD is very secure, and just as secure (if not more so) than Netware. I will NOT argue with you on that point... Linux is another story, however. Sure, it's secure if you keep up on all the patches, i'm not denying that (I use Linux at home, i'd like to work with Linux on the desktop at work if we can swing it (mostly to avoid M$'s increasingly draconian licensing)) However, it does not measure up to Netware's security as far as i'm concerned.
Just to clarify: with respect to security I am not taking jabs at Linux or BSD
And I stand by the premise I made that Novell is still a contender, it's NOT an 'old workhorse' like the topic states
Groupwise is fine on our main server, but we run it in protected memory space anyway. Usually Backup Exec (I think our BE install is hosed) and NAV Enterprise are the cause of any crashes we have.
We're moving to Netware 6 before the end of the year, however my boss doesn't want to go with NFS ... he's looking at Samba or Netware web access if that's feasible.
Some have claimed to be able to run Linux binaries on Netware 6 (due to the availability of libc, I suppose), however I don't know anyone who has tried it personally (my supervisor has)
Has anyone actually tried doing this?
I don't know what you mean by 'ripping off their directory structure but directory services have been around for longer than NDS ... and AD seems like it's just a kludge to manage domains anyway.
Yeah, you can minimize a lot of those reboots by putting those troublesome NLM's in protected memory space.
If it's not running fast enough for you compared to your Unix/NT solutions then you are not administrating it properly. Out of the box, Netware is configured pretty badly -- only useable for very small networks. With some tweaking (increasing the Packet Recieve Buffers, for example) it will outperform any NT box and even many Unix boxen on the same hardware.
0 chance of surviving... if you seriously think that the lack of a 'bootloader' affects its chances of surviving in the marketplace then you are not much of a consultant.
You're probably from the same ilk who thinks that the last version of Netware was 3.1
Ncpfs can access NDS, but it requires IPX ...
Right now I am bench-testing a Linux machine running a Netware 5.1 network and it can mount our SYS and DATA volumes just fine.
Really?
When Nimda, Code Red and the other viruses plagued every other network on the planet, guess whos networks were NOT?
That's right, our Netware and Groupwise-based networks didn't even flinch.
Netware is extremely stable, extremely secure and more manageable than any other NOS on the planet. Those benefits, taken as a whole, are something that NO OTHER NOS can claim.
I don't believe it uses it to encrypt all traffic. It's probably used for NDS authentication, however.
Netware 6 has web-based client access which will allow you to do similar things under any platform that you can under Windows. You can use the ncpfs suite too but they are IPX only.
Iprint *should* work under Linux but I hear it doesn't. That's one major downside if you have network printers... this is a problem i'm wrestling with right now, actually.
I think the undelete features are great, especially when it has all these revisions of different files you have been working on over the network. If some Excel file gets corrupted (it's happened a few times here at the office) our users can just use the Salvage option and they can roll back to the latest version of the file they've been working on (assuming that we didn't need to purge all those files to recoup some disk space recently)
And recovering folders isn't that difficult. I didn't find it to be so, anyway. They were kept in the Deleted.sav directory. The only problem was that the directory hierarchy wasn't maintained. At least they were able to get their files back.
Eek! Sorry ... wasn't paying attention ... you were referring to running it on *Windows* ...
/me removes foot (and crack-pipe) from mouth
Ok, i'll save you the trouble of responding...
You can't possibly be calling Netware unstable. If you are, here's some advice: lay off the crack.
They've added memory protection since 5.x ... it's configurable too, you can choose which applications are resident in protected memory and which ones you don't. It's great for flakier NLMs that can risk your uptime if they go down.
Yeah, but I think that UT's weapons were overpowered ... or at least some of them were. The flak cannon was almost instant death without a shieldbelt, the shock combo was pretty brutal too. The rocket launcher with 5 rockets was pretty overkill, if you ask me.
A personal preference. I find the gameplay different. Not much better, not much worse. Just different.
Actually, this is GREAT news as far as i'm concerned!
I believe that M$ isn't being too careful here. I believe they are trying to pull this shit WAY too quickly. Seriously, we are in the midst of an increasingly digital age where many people are comfortable with online multimedia content and the freedom to use it.
Sure, Microsoft is sucking up to Hollywood by providing the first DRM Operating System. Sure, Intel and AMD is following their lead. It'll bite them in the ass in the end.
Think about it: all of the sudden average Joe user cannot play MP3's they grabbed off of Kazaa or Morpheus. All of the sudden you can't download and/or make VCD's of your favorite movie?
The average person is much easier to accept some loss of freedom if they feel they aren't affected by it... once they are significantly affected by this look out.
If Joe Sixpack finds that the new Microsoft OS limits his ability to do these things, do you think he'll be in any hurry to upgrade? If he finds that the new hardware won't work without it, do you think the user will want to jump on the "I love Restrictions!" bandwagon?
And believe me, once Intel and AMD (I fully expect M$ to be the LAST company to back down from this) see their hardware sales plummett they'll quickly re-think their strategy.
And without the hardware support, M$ can't win. The more they tighten their grip, the more users will slip through their fingers (now where did I hear that from?)
The only wildcard here are the legislators, and it really depends on how quickly they can pull appropriate legislation to prevent the above scenario from happening -- and I have a feeling they won't.
So go for it, Microsoft! Go Bill! Keep digging that hole for yourself, because if there is one thing that the free market has proven time and time again is your enemies will always be there to pick up the pieces after you've gone.
Yeah. Can you prove it?
I think otherwise. When I first played it, I thought "more of the same." I don't know about it being like Q3... it didn't feel that way to me, but i've only played Q3 for 3 hours (total) in my entire life.
... I ran a server last night and I was surprised at how great some of the teams played and how much teamwork is involved.
... they've really put some effort into making UT2K3 feel like a sport rather than just a FPS.
After playing it for a while I really got into it. The graphics are nice and the gameplay is fast-paced and fun. The weapons took some getting used to (being used to UT weapons, there were some significant changes) but after a while I took quite a liking to them.
Bombing Run looks like the ULTIMATE team game to me (CS and other TC's notwithstanding)
Some UT die-hards won't like it, that's for sure... but you can't make these kinds of changes without disappointing some people.
The full game will be even better, I think. The single-player ladder looks to be promising with the ability to manage your team (trade and draft team-members, etc.)
Is there a Linux version? Didn't think so. I don't think IWD2 even runs on WineX.
Of course it is, this is a no-brainer. However, I believe the real issue here is the availability of available fixes for these issues. With Linux, BSD, etc. these issues have been fixed in an acceptable amount of time. Can the same be said for Windows?
Can you say "Half-Life: The Movie" ?
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If it can always be disabled, what is there to prevent a virus writer from doing exactly that? It would seem this would defeat the purpose of its existence.
I really hope you're right about this. After reading much of this i've been worried that eventually any "untrusted" application (such as Linux, especially considering that freeware developers would not be able to pay for the frequent testing involved to properly license their application.
Because some people (like myself) think that Quake can't even hold a candle to UT in the gameplay department.