I don't think he is calling them idiots. He is accurately describing a lot of businesses that have recently taken advantage of the ease of installing and using Linux without needing a lot of expertise. The other replies to the poster who made the same point are good too.
My company has 250-300 employees. We are a small business. We currently have 3 servers running Red Hat mixed in with our MS servers. The head of the I.T. department does not have a degree. He is most definitely not 1337 (neither am I). The linux servers were put in over the last year or so by me and another guy as we have had the opportunity. One is a proxy server, one runs PostgreSQL and Apache, the other is for secure connection to a client. The two of us got them up and running but we're no linux experts.
The company has absolutely no idea what is going on with SCO, the lawsuits or any of this. This guy is totally right in his assesment if his clients are anything like where I work.
I'm following the whole thing but I'm not anyone of significance in the organisation.
I wouldn't either (object to its being built) I live about 10 minutes from a large nuclear power plant (Palo Verde) so a small one would be fine with me.
I wonder if they thing could be built into it's own bunker - then just put some monitoring equipment on it. If somebody starts jack hammering it open- the cavalry comes swooping in.
Just don't do like those little nuclear navigation sites the russians built all over the place and left. Some got cracked open and the contents left here and there. Good fuel for a dirty bomb.
I agree with your point in regards to safety of operation-- but not security. These reactors on military vessels are guarded by military personnel around the clock. On Carriers the access to nuclear areas on the ship is controled by the Mardet. Subs have inherent security that limits access to the whole boat.
Is this kind of security going to be available to these Toshiba reactors?
And what will that do to the cost effectiveness?
The showed footage of a clean up of one of these on a documentary on terrorism - done by Frontline maybe? (definitely PBS whatever it was) They found the fuel after some woodsman came down with radiation sickness.
It took a large team of men, working in short shifts most of a day to get it in a container. It did not look like something I would want to do, even if the pay was good, though I doubt it was.
They say the Russians built quite a few of these little self-powered navigation towers.
When you look at the bill, it appears that genetic privacy wont be protected, but after seeing it about 15 times this morning, it looks like genetics are kept private. Initially, I was like "what a dumbass", but now, no matter what he did, he's done.
This poor guy is never gonna live this one down.
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When you look at the pictures, it appears that there are no images on the silicon, but after seeing it about 15 times this morning, it looks like that the pictures are there. Initially, I was like "what a dumbass", but now, no matter what is on there, it's done.
This poor silicon is never gonna live this one down.
There is nothing hypocritical about saying - I want a gun in my hand but not in yours.
Hypocritical would be saying- Everybody should be able to have spy satellites but not letting everybody have them. We have never done that. Same with nukes. It is not hypocritical to say no one should have nukes but us. That just makes sense.
I hope that American never goes into an armed conflict again where the outcome is not a foregone conclusion. Why would you want military parity with nations that are hostile to many of the values you hold most dear?
I guess I should put a gun near the door to my house- so if someone breaks in they can pick it up. I wouldn't want to be a hypocrite and be the only one in my home that is armed.
-- this is such a huge gap in the law. The call went something like, "Hello Mr. Foo, this is National First Mortgage and we are conducting a survey of people to see who would like to refinance..." That is where I hung up.
I expect as the number of telemarketing calls I receive drop, the number of surveys will increase.
i think the project is cool irregardless of just what was used. my statements have to do with/. more than the technology. whenever there is a post on/. about someone using usb or something else- tons of posts pop up saying 'why not firewire?' or something to that effect. drives me nuts- those people get on my nerves- not people acutally using firewire. sorry if that was unclear.
he used fire wire and not usb or scsi - or well anything else. this will save us from the hundred or so "Why not firewire?" posts every time somebody discusses some other method of moving data around.
Well - I thought the same thing. But what ended up being the case was- they were already paying me, we didn't fall behind on other work- so they did save money.
They also get complete control. The problem with a lot of the software they could afford was that it just wasn't that flexible.
My initial reaction to the project was pretty negative. I asked, "What are you going to do next, ask me to create a word processor so we don't have to pay for office?" But to be honest, looking back, it really wasn't too bad a decision.
My company went through the same thing not long ago. We looked at the costs and capapbilities of what already existed and rolled our own.
Our company has roughly 400 employees. We have 2 programmers. Me and another guy. While he took care of normal stuff I designed and coded the new system to replace the punch clocks. The whole thing took me about 6 months.
A good portion of that time involved learning. Prior to that job I had never used Linux, Apache, PostgreSQL or Apache. But we bought a Dell Poweredge server for 6 grand- with RedHat- that runs the web server and the database server. I set up all the functionality for employees and managers using PHP.
The only thing that was not built using free stuff was the reporting stuff I did for accounting. I used Crystal Reports for that. (Their system is antiquated as all get out, they will not change it and entries must be made through the keyboard) This was done to save time since we already had it available and I was familiar with it.
I really enjoyed the project. I learned all kinds of good linux stuff, fell in love with PostgreSQL and enjoyed PHP quite a bit too.
I'm sure what I built would never work for a company of any great size- but for a small business it has been just what we needed and the price was right. The CALs for SQL server alone were more than the server it would run on. Plus the extra cost of win2k on the server, etc.
i wrote an app that ran as a local executable for a manager - gave him the path and name of the.exe file so he could run it.
he calls me a bit later and says - 'that program is not where you said it was.'
i go to his office - he is in excel in the 'open' dialog looking for the program but all he can see are spreadsheets. probably a funny story to someone outside the situation - i wanted to kick something.
i wont even start about the CFO who wont look at anything that is not in a spreadsheet
For those OO/SO users out there. What do these products offer that will do what Visual Basic does in MS Office?
Can you access Star Office documents from applications in any RAD languages like you can in with MS Office/VB?
Thought this might be a good place to get some input on that. At my work there are a lot of apps written in VB that generate Excel spreadsheets. I'd love to know that I can replace that functionality with something else.
This is a serious question and there'll be those who want to flame me for just mentioning VB but the truth of the matter is - there is tons of small office stuff written in VB and VBA, which is where I make my living. I can't move people from office unless I can replace that too
No - I work at a small business. My boss priced a low end dell server (like $6k) - then he had to pay the license for win2k and SQL server- I think it ran somewhere around $10k- four thousand dollars more than the server.
We went with PostgreSQL on Red Hat. It doesn't do everything SQL Server does out of the box- but we didn't need everything SQL server does. $25,000 is peanuts.
I took a class on personality development and we studied all the 'great' minds who have put forward theories on how we get the way we are. Froyd, Skinner, Jung, etc.
I will now summarize for you what every one of them came up with.
"This is what happened to me when I grew up. I think this is what basically happens to everyone when they grow up."
Just because the feedback is not as immediate- that does not mean the comparison is not valid.
if a seller sets the price too high- people do not buy and the price must come down. a transaction would only be one way if the buyer had no choice but to buy- and then the comparison fails.
you say like it or lump it- but in the case of most consumer spending 'lump it' is strong. right now most of america is bartering with professional sports teams- less people are willing to pay ticket prices. if that trend continues- the prices will come down. i don't consider it lumping it when i don't go to the games- i just can't afford it.
i drive a saturn because i can't afford a jag- same deal. there will always be somebody willing to come in and sell a cheaper product if there is a demand.
You are exactly right. The consumer still has control of the decision to purchase- but the transaction is now more personal.
I can remember shopping in the Philippines- each clerk had a calculator in hand to show you the price of an item- so that other customers would not over hear. Each transaction stood on its own and you might do better or worse than the person standing next to you.
I am an idiot cheapskate so it doesn't bother me a bit- seriously.
VHS has worked great for me over the years- would betamax have been a little better- maybe- I never tried one out.
Apple- well that whole thing has been hashed out over and over. But I can say in my personal opinion - the small, debatable advantage is not worth the extra cost and other disadvantages. I wont touch them.
Sure - if you are a whatever-phile - you will pay extra for that 1% or 2% gain in quality- for top of the line of whatever it is you need- but the rest of us wont.
I'll pay an ungodly amount for a good fly rod- but I'm not shelling out a ton of cash for a dvd burner that has a limited scope of use.
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I don't think he is calling them idiots. He is accurately describing a lot of businesses that have recently taken advantage of the ease of installing and using Linux without needing a lot of expertise. The other replies to the poster who made the same point are good too.
My company has 250-300 employees. We are a small business. We currently have 3 servers running Red Hat mixed in with our MS servers. The head of the I.T. department does not have a degree. He is most definitely not 1337 (neither am I). The linux servers were put in over the last year or so by me and another guy as we have had the opportunity. One is a proxy server, one runs PostgreSQL and Apache, the other is for secure connection to a client. The two of us got them up and running but we're no linux experts.
The company has absolutely no idea what is going on with SCO, the lawsuits or any of this. This guy is totally right in his assesment if his clients are anything like where I work.
I'm following the whole thing but I'm not anyone of significance in the organisation.
I wouldn't either (object to its being built) I live about 10 minutes from a large nuclear power plant (Palo Verde) so a small one would be fine with me.
I wonder if they thing could be built into it's own bunker - then just put some monitoring equipment on it. If somebody starts jack hammering it open- the cavalry comes swooping in.
Just don't do like those little nuclear navigation sites the russians built all over the place and left. Some got cracked open and the contents left here and there. Good fuel for a dirty bomb.
I agree with your point in regards to safety of operation-- but not security. These reactors on military vessels are guarded by military personnel around the clock. On Carriers the access to nuclear areas on the ship is controled by the Mardet. Subs have inherent security that limits access to the whole boat.
Is this kind of security going to be available to these Toshiba reactors?
And what will that do to the cost effectiveness?
The showed footage of a clean up of one of these on a documentary on terrorism - done by Frontline maybe? (definitely PBS whatever it was) They found the fuel after some woodsman came down with radiation sickness.
It took a large team of men, working in short shifts most of a day to get it in a container. It did not look like something I would want to do, even if the pay was good, though I doubt it was.
They say the Russians built quite a few of these little self-powered navigation towers.
When you look at the bill, it appears that genetic privacy wont be protected, but after seeing it about 15 times this morning, it looks like genetics are kept private. Initially, I was like "what a dumbass", but now, no matter what he did, he's done.
This poor guy is never gonna live this one down.
When you look at the pictures, it appears that there are no images on the silicon, but after seeing it about 15 times this morning, it looks like that the pictures are there. Initially, I was like "what a dumbass", but now, no matter what is on there, it's done.
This poor silicon is never gonna live this one down.
There is nothing hypocritical about saying - I want a gun in my hand but not in yours.
Hypocritical would be saying- Everybody should be able to have spy satellites but not letting everybody have them. We have never done that. Same with nukes. It is not hypocritical to say no one should have nukes but us. That just makes sense.
I hope that American never goes into an armed conflict again where the outcome is not a foregone conclusion. Why would you want military parity with nations that are hostile to many of the values you hold most dear?
I guess I should put a gun near the door to my house- so if someone breaks in they can pick it up. I wouldn't want to be a hypocrite and be the only one in my home that is armed.
Got that right. My friends had C-64's, I couldn't afford one. My Vic-20 whas what it was all about for me.
Oh how I envied their floppy drives and massive amounts of memory.
-- this is such a huge gap in the law. The call went something like, "Hello Mr. Foo, this is National First Mortgage and we are conducting a survey of people to see who would like to refinance..." That is where I hung up.
I expect as the number of telemarketing calls I receive drop, the number of surveys will increase.
that's funny. dumbass mod
bad habit - thanks.
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i think the project is cool irregardless of just what was used. my statements have to do with /. more than the technology. whenever there is a post on /. about someone using usb or something else- tons of posts pop up saying 'why not firewire?' or something to that effect. drives me nuts- those people get on my nerves- not people acutally using firewire. sorry if that was unclear.
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true.
but for some reason the firewire people get on my last nerve
he used fire wire and not usb or scsi - or well anything else. this will save us from the hundred or so "Why not firewire?" posts every time somebody discusses some other method of moving data around.
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Well - I thought the same thing. But what ended up being the case was- they were already paying me, we didn't fall behind on other work- so they did save money.
They also get complete control. The problem with a lot of the software they could afford was that it just wasn't that flexible.
My initial reaction to the project was pretty negative. I asked, "What are you going to do next, ask me to create a word processor so we don't have to pay for office?" But to be honest, looking back, it really wasn't too bad a decision.
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My company went through the same thing not long ago. We looked at the costs and capapbilities of what already existed and rolled our own.
Our company has roughly 400 employees. We have 2 programmers. Me and another guy. While he took care of normal stuff I designed and coded the new system to replace the punch clocks. The whole thing took me about 6 months.
A good portion of that time involved learning. Prior to that job I had never used Linux, Apache, PostgreSQL or Apache. But we bought a Dell Poweredge server for 6 grand- with RedHat- that runs the web server and the database server. I set up all the functionality for employees and managers using PHP.
The only thing that was not built using free stuff was the reporting stuff I did for accounting. I used Crystal Reports for that. (Their system is antiquated as all get out, they will not change it and entries must be made through the keyboard) This was done to save time since we already had it available and I was familiar with it.
I really enjoyed the project. I learned all kinds of good linux stuff, fell in love with PostgreSQL and enjoyed PHP quite a bit too.
I'm sure what I built would never work for a company of any great size- but for a small business it has been just what we needed and the price was right. The CALs for SQL server alone were more than the server it would run on. Plus the extra cost of win2k on the server, etc.
me too - but not some of the people i work with.
.exe file so he could run it.
i wrote an app that ran as a local executable for a manager - gave him the path and name of the
he calls me a bit later and says - 'that program is not where you said it was.'
i go to his office - he is in excel in the 'open' dialog looking for the program but all he can see are spreadsheets. probably a funny story to someone outside the situation - i wanted to kick something.
i wont even start about the CFO who wont look at anything that is not in a spreadsheet
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For those OO/SO users out there. What do these products offer that will do what Visual Basic does in MS Office?
Can you access Star Office documents from applications in any RAD languages like you can in with MS Office/VB?
Thought this might be a good place to get some input on that. At my work there are a lot of apps written in VB that generate Excel spreadsheets. I'd love to know that I can replace that functionality with something else.
This is a serious question and there'll be those who want to flame me for just mentioning VB but the truth of the matter is - there is tons of small office stuff written in VB and VBA, which is where I make my living. I can't move people from office unless I can replace that too
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No - I work at a small business. My boss priced a low end dell server (like $6k) - then he had to pay the license for win2k and SQL server- I think it ran somewhere around $10k- four thousand dollars more than the server.
We went with PostgreSQL on Red Hat. It doesn't do everything SQL Server does out of the box- but we didn't need everything SQL server does. $25,000 is peanuts.
The moon is a great place to send criminals. Send 'em there for life as involuntary colonists. Let 'em dig big caves.
As they dig those big caves they can grind the rock up for soil, melt pockets of ice that they find and use the water to grow wheat.
You put the wheat in big metal capsuls and you use a magnetic catapult to chuck the wheat down the gravity well to good ol' earth.
don't you read?
I took a class on personality development and we studied all the 'great' minds who have put forward theories on how we get the way we are. Froyd, Skinner, Jung, etc.
I will now summarize for you what every one of them came up with.
"This is what happened to me when I grew up. I think this is what basically happens to everyone when they grow up."
I just saved you a semester of hard work.
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Just because the feedback is not as immediate- that does not mean the comparison is not valid.
if a seller sets the price too high- people do not buy and the price must come down. a transaction would only be one way if the buyer had no choice but to buy- and then the comparison fails.
you say like it or lump it- but in the case of most consumer spending 'lump it' is strong. right now most of america is bartering with professional sports teams- less people are willing to pay ticket prices. if that trend continues- the prices will come down. i don't consider it lumping it when i don't go to the games- i just can't afford it.
i drive a saturn because i can't afford a jag- same deal. there will always be somebody willing to come in and sell a cheaper product if there is a demand.
You are exactly right. The consumer still has control of the decision to purchase- but the transaction is now more personal.
I can remember shopping in the Philippines- each clerk had a calculator in hand to show you the price of an item- so that other customers would not over hear. Each transaction stood on its own and you might do better or worse than the person standing next to you.
I am an idiot cheapskate so it doesn't bother me a bit- seriously.
VHS has worked great for me over the years- would betamax have been a little better- maybe- I never tried one out.
Apple- well that whole thing has been hashed out over and over. But I can say in my personal opinion - the small, debatable advantage is not worth the extra cost and other disadvantages. I wont touch them.
Sure - if you are a whatever-phile - you will pay extra for that 1% or 2% gain in quality- for top of the line of whatever it is you need- but the rest of us wont.
I'll pay an ungodly amount for a good fly rod- but I'm not shelling out a ton of cash for a dvd burner that has a limited scope of use.
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