The Griffin Card is VooDoo2. Gaming IS a concern to iMac buyers and to Apple but it's not a PRIMARY concern for people walking out the door with iMacs. Simplicity and reliability common to household appliances is what THESE people want.
I wish Griffin well in selling their V2 adapter, but it's a low-key kind of product that isn't going to sway many iMac people from choosing between an iMac or a G3 desktop. Certainly iMac'ers won't care about TWO V2 cards in SLI mode. You can add 2 vards to the G3, or more likely someone will develop a dual-chip VooDoo2 on a single PCI, since the current motherboards were designed with 3 PCI slots.
This VooDoo2 arguement of yours sounds a lot like the "floppy drive" or the "15 inch monitor arguement. Almost a million people so far don't share the same computing passion you do. Who wants to run Unreal in 1024x768 on a 15" monitor? Most people who want 2 VooDoo2 cards and SLI are going to have a 17, 19" or 21" monitor.
Like John said, the 4x AGP is faster than double-speed PCI in the G3, but it's just not important *YET*. The fact is Apple IS listening to game developers, but they can't change all things overnight. Apple has smartly decided to consolidate onto 2 motherboards, but this also means they won't have AGP until the next design later this year. Macosrumors has published a source as stating they COULD add AGP to this current motherboard, but at cost. Right now Apple had more important redesign issues like move the slow boot-ROM into faster RAM, etc. We'll just have to wait and see.
You are confused... you don't need a "PCI slot" to have a PCI bus. Or are you suggesting laptops lack a PCI bus???
The iMac has a PCI bus, which has connected to it a "nonstandard" (not looking like a PCI-thingy to you) Mezzanine slot. Griffin Technology is making a voodoo2 board that taps into the iMac video, using this interface.
Regarding motherboard usage, it wouldn't be practical and I don't think it's worth it given quick obsolescence, but it's possible (unless heat is a factor which is an overall design issue).
Reread your post, silly AC... like 3Dfx would deliberatetely build in a check to see if their chipset is running on a PCI CARD.
Regarding the video card memory again, nothing is "standard"... only what you have. I do not think Apple will stick with non-upgradable 16MB cards for long; nothing permanent about this. Agreed bout the purpose, just a game card and a diehard is just gonna yank out the card as soon as 64 MB cards become available..
I don't think Microsoft will ever recover from OSS, when (if? nah...) it hits em in the ass. Just look at their bread and butter suite, Office. Only small OEM's distribute "non-Office" suites because they don't qualify for massive MS discounts, and they're too small to worry about pissing MS off by selecting say Lotus or WordPerfect.
When the industry says "enough" to yearly changes in Office file formats Microsoft will have trouble enough, but if Microsoft loses the choke point called Windows then their apps will suffer also.
Most people use Microsoft products because it is harder not to. Just TRY to work in a mixed-app group with someone using FrontPage, or Office. Lots of deadline-challenged apps will mess your HTML a little bit, but FEW GO OUT OF THEIR WAY like FrontPage. To see what I mean, open HTML containing imagemaps and see it your code "upgraded" to imagemap "bots" that ONLY work on FrontPage-compatible servers. You can get some of these bots for UNIX, but they are not supported even if you pay $, and besides MS server bots leave amazingly big security holes for some d00d to exploit...
A long while back, PepsiCo bought KFC, Pizza Hut and other fast food chains, and switched them over to Pepsi instead of Coke. Shortly after this, most of the competition to these restaraunts switched completely to Coke since this helped weaken their competition.
When is the software industry going to realize the same thing can happen here. Some developers I know defend Microsoft, saying so-and-so should have "stayed out of Microsoft's way". As if waiting for Microsoft to toss crumbs to the birds is a fine way for an industry to work. This is why it is so expensive to maintain a network of computers; any cost savings resulting from software you write has the potential to impact Microsoft's earnings (remember the Citrix story?).
Linux for the server; MacOS for the desktop and there's no way Microsoft could continue to choke an entire industry - they will need those hands to SWIM.
Maybe then MS would stop trying to make everyone's life difficult, for thise who don't choose 100% Microsoft (like when FrontPage98 erases industry-standard imagemaps and deliberately replaces them with MS-only "web bots").
people were writing in with their suspicions that this poll was biased towards Microsoft. Sorry no links, but it was Macintouch or MacOSRumors that covered it (forget which one, maybe both).
It's always a clue a poll is tainted when you're asked to rate something 1 to 5, where for one question 1 means "very much" then the next minute 1 means "very little"..:-D
The only way MSN is ever going to increase membership is if they give the service away FREE. I'll bet Microsoft would be toying with the idea if it weren't for the antitrust trial. Wouldn't want to let the rest of the industry believe it's OK to think for yourself; Netscpe MUST be crushed for trying..:-/
Of course, AOL is a much bigger fish. I'm waiting to see when Microsoft buys an actual vendor like Micron...
A QUIET Linux box for installation in a home theatre, mainly for MP3 playback and minor network activity.
StrongARM and PowerPC's are supposed to sip power and not generate much heat. No hard drive since noone makes a quiet drive.:-( But with a 10 or 100T LAN connection everything can stream in anyways. Obviously this means net booting off another machine. What do you think -- is MP3 going to require too much power to forgo a fan?
Does the Corel Netwinder ship in a fanless diskless configuration? I read they were thinking about such a config. Does the NW have sound?
(I prefer a ready to go system because I'm not very experienced with building hardware...)
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... is it brings together a subset of Microsoft and unix fans so they can bash Apple. This is ironic given that Apple's is moving slowly towards open standrds while Microsoft continues to free from them.
And yes, I know AC postings shouldn't be considered stereotypical of any group. I wouldn't be AT ALL surprised if at least SOME of these idiot trollers were some part of Microsoft's latest "grass roots" campaign. A cute cowardly Visual Basic script..
Rather than being scornful of Apple's latest move to UNIX you should at least try to find SOME good in this, rather than "it sucks because it isn't Linux". Or at least rant about how Solaris and IRIX are also "not Linux" so to look like more of an idiot to a larger group. Apple, pre-Steve Jobs, were giving serious thought to moving the MacOS GUI on top of the WINDOWS NT kernal.
I think SOME Linux "advocates" are using their platform as an exclusionary tool; I mean they are being critical without being helpful. Lots of people on the "other" side, Windows or Mac, look longingly towards Linux, but then they hear how difficult it can sometimes be to get your hardware working. I bet you System X doesn't have this ease-of-use problem.
Stop looking down your nose be grateful there are "lesser evils" than Microsoft, like Apple, Be, Sun and SGI. If you can program, you should be ashamed of yourself. Donate the time you spend trolling to a worthy cause, like a nice open and FRIENDLY configuration utility that is half as good as Microsoft's and a tenth as good as Apple's.
You need to own a Playstation? I didn't see that bit. Hmm...
Regarding monitors, I just got a 21" Hitachi with like.22 pitch and I am just blown away. The thing cost $1045, which is steep for a monitor but cheep when you consider how long you will have it. It replaced a 15" SVGA monitor I bought 7 years ago. The computer that drives it is almost obsolete, but it runs games and Netscape. I'll sacrifice, because the NEXT upgrade means I'll have a better computer AND a nice display.
Multimedia monitors are expensive, but I'm willing to bet you get PS comparable imaging using a TV out card, which I think the new ATI's do anyways. The big 56" monitors are just for tradeshows and Microsoft employees..
Framerates might drop on an iMac revB, but I don't see it happening on the new entry-level 300MHz desktops.
All emulators, and MP3 players as well, coincide but do not directly cause an increase in piracy. Sales and rentals will go up though, especially if this is as good as the real thing on at least some of the new Yosemite boxes. Oh well..
Given that MacOS and Windoze dominate multimedia production (flame shield: this is a generalization..), I'm surprised New Media paid any attention to Open Source, and Linux.
There is a "web" spin on this, Apache and all, so technically it fits within some of their user's line of work.
I'd love to see an OSS version of a multimedia-centric development tool for Linux... like Director, or Jamba (used to be Jamba QA...).
Under windows NT you can configure the client to install as an NT Service. It will continue to process after you have logged out. See the readme for details..
Slashdot is nowhere _near_ the Mac team -- I'm not dissing any team but Team Slashdot has submitted about HALF as many blocks as the Evangalista's. These "leads" being posted are of a few percent, and mostly temporary.
(Yes I'm not on a team but that's nothing to do with it).
Regarding the lack of an open sourced client.. can't someone just reverse engineer the app? Should be simple to do, no?
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The Griffin Card is VooDoo2. Gaming IS a concern to iMac buyers and to Apple but it's not a PRIMARY concern for people walking out the door with iMacs. Simplicity and reliability common to household appliances is what THESE people want.
I wish Griffin well in selling their V2 adapter, but it's a low-key kind of product that isn't going to sway many iMac people from choosing between an iMac or a G3 desktop. Certainly iMac'ers won't care about TWO V2 cards in SLI mode. You can add 2 vards to the G3, or more likely someone will develop a dual-chip VooDoo2 on a single PCI, since the current motherboards were designed with 3 PCI slots.
This VooDoo2 arguement of yours sounds a lot like the "floppy drive" or the "15 inch monitor arguement. Almost a million people so far don't share the same computing passion you do. Who wants to run Unreal in 1024x768 on a 15" monitor? Most people who want 2 VooDoo2 cards and SLI are going to have a 17, 19" or 21" monitor.
Like John said, the 4x AGP is faster than double-speed PCI in the G3, but it's just not important *YET*. The fact is Apple IS listening to game developers, but they can't change all things overnight. Apple has smartly decided to consolidate onto 2 motherboards, but this also means they won't have AGP until the next design later this year. Macosrumors has published a source as stating they COULD add AGP to this current motherboard, but at cost. Right now Apple had more important redesign issues like move the slow boot-ROM into faster RAM, etc. We'll just have to wait and see.
Scott
"anything but Microsoft"
You are confused... you don't need a "PCI slot" to have a PCI bus. Or are you suggesting laptops lack a PCI bus???
The iMac has a PCI bus, which has connected to it a "nonstandard" (not looking like a PCI-thingy to you) Mezzanine slot. Griffin Technology is making a voodoo2 board that taps into the iMac video, using this interface.
Regarding motherboard usage, it wouldn't be practical and I don't think it's worth it given quick obsolescence, but it's possible (unless heat is a factor which is an overall design issue).
Reread your post, silly AC... like 3Dfx would deliberatetely build in a check to see if their chipset is running on a PCI CARD.
Regarding the video card memory again, nothing is "standard"... only what you have. I do not think Apple will stick with non-upgradable 16MB cards for long; nothing permanent about this. Agreed bout the purpose, just a game card and a diehard is just gonna yank out the card as soon as 64 MB cards become available..
I don't think Microsoft will ever recover from OSS, when (if? nah...) it hits em in the ass. Just look at their bread and butter suite, Office. Only small OEM's distribute "non-Office" suites because they don't qualify for massive MS discounts, and they're too small to worry about pissing MS off by selecting say Lotus or WordPerfect.
When the industry says "enough" to yearly changes in Office file formats Microsoft will have trouble enough, but if Microsoft loses the choke point called Windows then their apps will suffer also.
Most people use Microsoft products because it is harder not to. Just TRY to work in a mixed-app group with someone using FrontPage, or Office. Lots of deadline-challenged apps will mess your HTML a little bit, but FEW GO OUT OF THEIR WAY like FrontPage. To see what I mean, open HTML containing imagemaps and see it your code "upgraded" to imagemap "bots" that ONLY work on FrontPage-compatible servers. You can get some of these bots for UNIX, but they are not supported even if you pay $, and besides MS server bots leave amazingly big security holes for some d00d to exploit...
A long while back, PepsiCo bought KFC, Pizza Hut and other fast food chains, and switched them over to Pepsi instead of Coke. Shortly after this, most of the competition to these restaraunts switched completely to Coke since this helped weaken their competition.
When is the software industry going to realize the same thing can happen here. Some developers I know defend Microsoft, saying so-and-so should have "stayed out of Microsoft's way". As if waiting for Microsoft to toss crumbs to the birds is a fine way for an industry to work. This is why it is so expensive to maintain a network of computers; any cost savings resulting from software you write has the potential to impact Microsoft's earnings (remember the Citrix story?).
Linux for the server; MacOS for the desktop and there's no way Microsoft could continue to choke an entire industry - they will need those hands to SWIM.
Maybe then MS would stop trying to make everyone's life difficult, for thise who don't choose 100% Microsoft (like when FrontPage98 erases industry-standard imagemaps and deliberately replaces them with MS-only "web bots").
people were writing in with their suspicions that this poll was biased towards Microsoft. Sorry no links, but it was Macintouch or MacOSRumors that covered it (forget which one, maybe both).
:-D
It's always a clue a poll is tainted when you're asked to rate something 1 to 5, where for one question 1 means "very much" then the next minute 1 means "very little"..
Linux pushes into Macintosh community
The only way MSN is ever going to increase membership is if they give the service away FREE. I'll bet Microsoft would be toying with the idea if it weren't for the antitrust trial. Wouldn't want to let the rest of the industry believe it's OK to think for yourself; Netscpe MUST be crushed for trying.. :-/
Of course, AOL is a much bigger fish. I'm waiting to see when Microsoft buys an actual vendor like Micron...
A QUIET Linux box for installation in a home theatre, mainly for MP3 playback and minor network activity.
:-( But with a 10 or 100T LAN connection everything can stream in anyways. Obviously this means net booting off another machine. What do you think -- is MP3 going to require too much power to forgo a fan?
StrongARM and PowerPC's are supposed to sip power and not generate much heat. No hard drive since noone makes a quiet drive.
Does the Corel Netwinder ship in a fanless diskless configuration? I read they were thinking about such a config. Does the NW have sound?
(I prefer a ready to go system because I'm not very experienced with building hardware...)
... is it brings together a subset of Microsoft and unix fans so they can bash Apple. This is ironic given that Apple's is moving slowly towards open standrds while Microsoft continues to free from them.
:-D
And yes, I know AC postings shouldn't be considered stereotypical of any group. I wouldn't be AT ALL surprised if at least SOME of these idiot trollers were some part of Microsoft's latest "grass roots" campaign. A cute cowardly Visual Basic script..
Rather than being scornful of Apple's latest move to UNIX you should at least try to find SOME good in this, rather than "it sucks because it isn't Linux". Or at least rant about how Solaris and IRIX are also "not Linux" so to look like more of an idiot to a larger group. Apple, pre-Steve Jobs, were giving serious thought to moving the MacOS GUI on top of the WINDOWS NT kernal.
I think SOME Linux "advocates" are using their platform as an exclusionary tool; I mean they are being critical without being helpful. Lots of people on the "other" side, Windows or Mac, look longingly towards Linux, but then they hear how difficult it can sometimes be to get your hardware working. I bet you System X doesn't have this ease-of-use problem.
Stop looking down your nose be grateful there are "lesser evils" than Microsoft, like Apple, Be, Sun and SGI. If you can program, you should be ashamed of yourself. Donate the time you spend trolling to a worthy cause, like a nice open and FRIENDLY configuration utility that is half as good as Microsoft's and a tenth as good as Apple's.
Flame away, I don't care.
You need to own a Playstation? I didn't see that bit. Hmm...
.22 pitch and I am just blown away. The thing cost $1045, which is steep for a monitor but cheep when you consider how long you will have it. It replaced a 15" SVGA monitor I bought 7 years ago. The computer that drives it is almost obsolete, but it runs games and Netscape. I'll sacrifice, because the NEXT upgrade means I'll have a better computer AND a nice display.
Regarding monitors, I just got a 21" Hitachi with like
Multimedia monitors are expensive, but I'm willing to bet you get PS comparable imaging using a TV out card, which I think the new ATI's do anyways. The big 56" monitors are just for tradeshows and Microsoft employees..
Framerates might drop on an iMac revB, but I don't see it happening on the new entry-level 300MHz desktops.
All emulators, and MP3 players as well, coincide but do not directly cause an increase in piracy. Sales and rentals will go up though, especially if this is as good as the real thing on at least some of the new Yosemite boxes. Oh well..
Rebooting into Windows sucks. For some people this is migration tool... not a way to pollute Linux. :-P
Given that MacOS and Windoze dominate multimedia production (flame shield: this is a generalization..), I'm surprised New Media paid any attention to Open Source, and Linux.
There is a "web" spin on this, Apache and all, so technically it fits within some of their user's line of work.
I'd love to see an OSS version of a multimedia-centric development tool for Linux... like Director, or Jamba (used to be Jamba QA...).
... and make it run in 512 Kb RAM... :-D
Under windows NT you can configure the client to install as an NT Service. It will continue to process after you have logged out. See the readme for details..
Slashdot is nowhere _near_ the Mac team -- I'm not dissing any team but Team Slashdot has submitted about HALF as many blocks as the Evangalista's. These "leads" being posted are of a few percent, and mostly temporary.
(Yes I'm not on a team but that's nothing to do with it).
Regarding the lack of an open sourced client.. can't someone just reverse engineer the app? Should be simple to do, no?
Scott
Linux user, Mac user, Windows victim.