Well thanks for your sly attempt to make me look like a dumbass, but I have had plenty of experience with other operating systems..
Regular user of multiple Linux distributions on multiple platforms, user / owner of G4 Powermac running OS X 10.3, user / owner of Sun Blade 100 running Debian, ex-owner of SGI Indy and Indigo2 systems running IRIX 6.5, and of course user of pretty much every version of Windows.
So i'm certainly not a newbie when it comes to OS use and familiarity, and when it comes to stability (which is all I am questioning here) all those other OS's have Windows beat IMHO.
Quite frankly this concerns me.. all joking aside, Microsoft has yet to prove itself in the reliability stakes. Plain and simple.
Their handheld / 'CE' operating systems are no different, and quite simply I wouldn't knowingly buy a car where the majority of its tricks and gizmo's were Microsoft powered.
Don't let his opinion make you think all Europeans are the same.
I totally agree with your comment about Red Hat.. i'm sick of reading in every thread since Red Hat made their desktop comment "Why would I want anything to do with Red Hat - they denounced the desktop!!"
They've just moved on to try and work on what they are good at, and work where the money is! All they ever get is bashed by the Linux purists anyway ("Oh, apt is FAR superior to RPM") despite the fact they give so much back to the community.
And at the end of October, Ballmer gave the audience at Gartner's autumn symposium a taster of what was to come when he attacked Linux's assumed security superiority. "In the first 150 days after the release of Windows 2000," he said, "there were 17 critical vulnerabilities. For Windows Server 2003, there were four. For Red Hat Linux 6, they were five to ten times higher."
Yes.. some more classic FUD. But something did strike me about this comment. If they were to talk purely about the core operating system, i'd be willing to be that Linux fared equally or better than Windows.
Red Hat 6 is a distribution, and as such comes with a whole host of applications & suites when you do a full install. Windows Server 2003 is just the OS. If you were to bolt Microsoft Office, and all of the other comparable applications onto Windows that a Linux distribution includes, I am sure the security patch figures would not be in Microsofts favour.
It just shows that Microsoft are worried about Linux.. if their product was so damn good, they could sit back and let it sell itself. But its obviously not, and they have to resort to this slander to try and win over the more gullible people to their side.
What frustrates me about these is that people actually BELIEVE them. Though given the recent security blunders by Microsoft (such as that little problem called 'Blaster') people might finally realise that this stuff is a load of BS.. or very very twisted fiction.
And I just wish that the comments & replies of key figures in the Open Source community made the headlines in the same way as these 'reports' do.
Someone anonymously submitted our MS Exchange server (I don't blame em *grin*) as a spam relay, despite the fact that it is not. As said in the original post, they didn't even check the server they just blacklisted it.
The first thing we know about it is when members of staff come to us and complain that they are getting error messages such as 'denied' when trying to email important people.
Sigh.. in fact I have that very same problem waiting to be tackled when I get back on Monday morning. And its always such a ballache to get your mail servers removed from these block lists...:(
Why not just do a proper group review, rather than saying "Don't by this because we don't like it"?
I've just ordered my iPod and it is, as we speak, winging its way over to me from Taiwan. I am quite comfortable with my purchase, and having read over such excellent sites as The iPod Lounge I am pretty happy I have bought the right thing.
A group test for me is the way forward.. simply picking a product, and then writing an article to slate it is pretty poor IMHO. How the hell do they know what I am looking for in a portable MP3 player, or which MP3 player appeals to me more?
Apple were one of the first with a killer product, which is selling around 350,000 units per quarter - sure it obviously has a few issues such as the battery life, but Apple obviously felt that a reduction in size was worth the cost in battery life.
Pretty much anyone who owns one or anyone who reviews one ends up raving about it.
So.. talking about a product that could possibly be released with Longhorn IF it debuts in 2006, and talking about it like Macromedia have just been read their last rights.
3 years in the computing industry is an eternity. Thinking back to the year 2000, I was still using Windows 98, and had not long upgraded to a Slot-A Athlon 600MHz or something similar, and had just bought a brand spanking new Radeon 64MB DDR VIVO card.. most of that stuff is now obsolete, ESPECIALLY Windows 98!!
Nothing like jumping the gun a little eh? And as ever with any Microsoft product, I won't hold my breath.
So the Red Hat 7.2 based boxes at work which we pay 'Enterprise' RHN accounts for will not be supported in 2 months time. Guess its time to ditch Red Hat then as there is no way work will pay for RHEL when we get m$ stuff so cheap.
Its not.. but at least with my mac I don't have to run my soundcard in a f'ing compatability mode (use all 4 of your speakers? No! Only two for you!), and my kernel doesn't lock when it picks up my USB mouse;)
Oh I *see* - so its not possible to like something AND have complaints or issues with it? You have to totally adore it, and maintain that there is not ONE THING wrong with it before you can truely say you like it?
As I already said in another reply, my complaint is not so much with Linux or the developers about the hardware compatability. Its not their fault that the manufacturers don't open up the hardware specs nor release particularly good drivers. But at the end of the day thats the problem, and as an end user it pisses me off.
I like the fact that OSX / Mac helps me round that.
Thats a fair enough point, but I wouldn't exactly consider an NForce2 board (probably one of the most popular performance Athlon chipsets in use today) as a 'built-from-the-bits' type component.
I realise that its not really any fault of Linux that there is such poor hardware support.. its manufacturers opening up the specs to allow the developers to make drivers. Either that or the manufacturers making substandard Linux drivers in an attempt to keep Linux users at bay.
But at the end of the day, I want my hardware to work the same regardless of what OS I use it under. I like the fact that I don't have to worry about such issues with the Mac.
He obviously likes a lot about Panther, but he doesn't think many Linux users will switch to it..
Well he can put me down as a Linux user who jumped onto OSX.
I really like Linux, but I just never got on with it as a desktop OS - lots of little things used to irk me, and the frustration of trying to get Linux working with much more modern hardware (like my NForce2 board) just made me get fed up with the whole idea.
Using OSX is like having the ultimate Linux distro.. you have THE best GUI available today, there are loads of Window XP beating applications shipped with OSX as standard, and hardware integration is obviously perfect - stuff just works. Plus you can quite easily get into the underlying UNIX core, and tamper with things - having such a functional GUI, and being able to fire up a terminal and use things like openssh, pico, etc right out of the box just totally sold me.
I still use Linux on my servers though.. you just can't beat that reliability and flexibility.. though I haven't tried out OSX Server yet....:p
So why the hell would Microsoft actively REMOVE Linux support when it was already a feature / part of the program?
Are they thinking that if they leave Linux support in, people who perhaps don't want to risk deleting partitions or something might 'try' Linux out and maybe even like it? Sheesh.
Isn't it just cutting your nose off to spite your face?
Oh.. and what will happen when you try and boot a Linux CD on this now anyway? As it is just supposed to be a Virtual PC ala VMWare, will it just crash the kernel or something?
It keeps getting funnier!..its just not funny any more. Its downright frustrating, and whilst I appreciate the coverage Slashdot is giving me (I want to see what asses SCO are making of themselves) I can't wait to see SCO screwed in court and hopefully nailed by the financial regulators over their pump & dump tactics.
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Hm.. well training IS expensive, but the point of paying for it from a well known company is just that. Its training by a major company.
:)
No offence, but i've never heard of you - so why the hell would I want to go on your training?
"Ah I see Mr Jones - you are bziman accredited! Impressive! I guess you couldn't afford the Novell training though?"
Well thanks for your sly attempt to make me look like a dumbass, but I have had plenty of experience with other operating systems..
Regular user of multiple Linux distributions on multiple platforms, user / owner of G4 Powermac running OS X 10.3, user / owner of Sun Blade 100 running Debian, ex-owner of SGI Indy and Indigo2 systems running IRIX 6.5, and of course user of pretty much every version of Windows.
So i'm certainly not a newbie when it comes to OS use and familiarity, and when it comes to stability (which is all I am questioning here) all those other OS's have Windows beat IMHO.
Quite frankly this concerns me.. all joking aside, Microsoft has yet to prove itself in the reliability stakes. Plain and simple.
Their handheld / 'CE' operating systems are no different, and quite simply I wouldn't knowingly buy a car where the majority of its tricks and gizmo's were Microsoft powered.
It'll take more than internet disruptions to keep us Brits from correcting your grammar mistakes, and translating Alan Cox's blog.
:D
Though I don't speak a word of welsh, and my grammar probably isn't that hot.. so you'll just have to make do with the company
Don't let his opinion make you think all Europeans are the same.
:)
I totally agree with your comment about Red Hat.. i'm sick of reading in every thread since Red Hat made their desktop comment "Why would I want anything to do with Red Hat - they denounced the desktop!!"
They've just moved on to try and work on what they are good at, and work where the money is! All they ever get is bashed by the Linux purists anyway ("Oh, apt is FAR superior to RPM") despite the fact they give so much back to the community.
Go Red Hat
And don't forget being asked for your service tag about 5 fricking times throughout the process.
Just because you don't agree with all the points doesn't mean it's a troll...
:)
Isn't this usually where someone says something like "You're new here, aren't you?"
I just noticed this :
And at the end of October, Ballmer gave the audience at Gartner's autumn symposium a taster of what was to come when he attacked Linux's assumed security superiority. "In the first 150 days after the release of Windows 2000," he said, "there were 17 critical vulnerabilities. For Windows Server 2003, there were four. For Red Hat Linux 6, they were five to ten times higher."
Yes.. some more classic FUD. But something did strike me about this comment. If they were to talk purely about the core operating system, i'd be willing to be that Linux fared equally or better than Windows.
Red Hat 6 is a distribution, and as such comes with a whole host of applications & suites when you do a full install. Windows Server 2003 is just the OS. If you were to bolt Microsoft Office, and all of the other comparable applications onto Windows that a Linux distribution includes, I am sure the security patch figures would not be in Microsofts favour.
It just shows that Microsoft are worried about Linux.. if their product was so damn good, they could sit back and let it sell itself. But its obviously not, and they have to resort to this slander to try and win over the more gullible people to their side.
Drives me crackers!
What frustrates me about these is that people actually BELIEVE them. Though given the recent security blunders by Microsoft (such as that little problem called 'Blaster') people might finally realise that this stuff is a load of BS.. or very very twisted fiction.
And I just wish that the comments & replies of key figures in the Open Source community made the headlines in the same way as these 'reports' do.
Was going to say the same thing. And no, I wouldn't say this is a troll.
:(
What a waste of time this book is, really. I still can't get over Red Hat eol'ing RH9 in 5 months
Someone anonymously submitted our MS Exchange server (I don't blame em *grin*) as a spam relay, despite the fact that it is not. As said in the original post, they didn't even check the server they just blacklisted it.
:(
The first thing we know about it is when members of staff come to us and complain that they are getting error messages such as 'denied' when trying to email important people.
Sigh.. in fact I have that very same problem waiting to be tackled when I get back on Monday morning. And its always such a ballache to get your mail servers removed from these block lists...
(Shamelessly ripped from a great Simpsons episode)
McBride: Mr. Spielberg, we've got some source code, some powerpoint slides, and a paper trail a mile long.
Spielberg: Yes. But I have ten high-priced lawyers.
McBride: Ya, ya, yaaa!!! [runs out of office]
Spielberg: He left his briefcase. Hey, it's full of SCO press clippings!
Yeah.. my apologies. I posted that pointless little rant and then I RTFA and immediately felt like an idiot.
;)
But no edit feature means I gotta live with my stupid post
Why not just do a proper group review, rather than saying "Don't by this because we don't like it"?
I've just ordered my iPod and it is, as we speak, winging its way over to me from Taiwan. I am quite comfortable with my purchase, and having read over such excellent sites as The iPod Lounge I am pretty happy I have bought the right thing.
A group test for me is the way forward.. simply picking a product, and then writing an article to slate it is pretty poor IMHO. How the hell do they know what I am looking for in a portable MP3 player, or which MP3 player appeals to me more?
Apple were one of the first with a killer product, which is selling around 350,000 units per quarter - sure it obviously has a few issues such as the battery life, but Apple obviously felt that a reduction in size was worth the cost in battery life.
Pretty much anyone who owns one or anyone who reviews one ends up raving about it.
So.. talking about a product that could possibly be released with Longhorn IF it debuts in 2006, and talking about it like Macromedia have just been read their last rights.
3 years in the computing industry is an eternity. Thinking back to the year 2000, I was still using Windows 98, and had not long upgraded to a Slot-A Athlon 600MHz or something similar, and had just bought a brand spanking new Radeon 64MB DDR VIVO card.. most of that stuff is now obsolete, ESPECIALLY Windows 98!!
Nothing like jumping the gun a little eh? And as ever with any Microsoft product, I won't hold my breath.
So the Red Hat 7.2 based boxes at work which we pay 'Enterprise' RHN accounts for will not be supported in 2 months time. Guess its time to ditch Red Hat then as there is no way work will pay for RHEL when we get m$ stuff so cheap.
:|
Thanks for the warning Red Hat!
Its not.. but at least with my mac I don't have to run my soundcard in a f'ing compatability mode (use all 4 of your speakers? No! Only two for you!), and my kernel doesn't lock when it picks up my USB mouse ;)
Oh I *see* - so its not possible to like something AND have complaints or issues with it? You have to totally adore it, and maintain that there is not ONE THING wrong with it before you can truely say you like it?
As I already said in another reply, my complaint is not so much with Linux or the developers about the hardware compatability. Its not their fault that the manufacturers don't open up the hardware specs nor release particularly good drivers. But at the end of the day thats the problem, and as an end user it pisses me off.
I like the fact that OSX / Mac helps me round that.
Sheesh.
Thats a fair enough point, but I wouldn't exactly consider an NForce2 board (probably one of the most popular performance Athlon chipsets in use today) as a 'built-from-the-bits' type component.
I realise that its not really any fault of Linux that there is such poor hardware support.. its manufacturers opening up the specs to allow the developers to make drivers. Either that or the manufacturers making substandard Linux drivers in an attempt to keep Linux users at bay.
But at the end of the day, I want my hardware to work the same regardless of what OS I use it under. I like the fact that I don't have to worry about such issues with the Mac.
He obviously likes a lot about Panther, but he doesn't think many Linux users will switch to it..
:p
Well he can put me down as a Linux user who jumped onto OSX.
I really like Linux, but I just never got on with it as a desktop OS - lots of little things used to irk me, and the frustration of trying to get Linux working with much more modern hardware (like my NForce2 board) just made me get fed up with the whole idea.
Using OSX is like having the ultimate Linux distro.. you have THE best GUI available today, there are loads of Window XP beating applications shipped with OSX as standard, and hardware integration is obviously perfect - stuff just works. Plus you can quite easily get into the underlying UNIX core, and tamper with things - having such a functional GUI, and being able to fire up a terminal and use things like openssh, pico, etc right out of the box just totally sold me.
I still use Linux on my servers though.. you just can't beat that reliability and flexibility.. though I haven't tried out OSX Server yet....
So why the hell would Microsoft actively REMOVE Linux support when it was already a feature / part of the program?
Are they thinking that if they leave Linux support in, people who perhaps don't want to risk deleting partitions or something might 'try' Linux out and maybe even like it? Sheesh.
Isn't it just cutting your nose off to spite your face?
Oh.. and what will happen when you try and boot a Linux CD on this now anyway? As it is just supposed to be a Virtual PC ala VMWare, will it just crash the kernel or something?
Um yeah.. Windows XP does this too on ACPI compliant hardware?
Whoa! No kidding.. seems to be getting about 1 or 2 negative votes PER SECOND.
:D
Go Slashdot!!
You've obviously never lived with a younger brother or sister :)
It keeps getting funnier! ..its just not funny any more. Its downright frustrating, and whilst I appreciate the coverage Slashdot is giving me (I want to see what asses SCO are making of themselves) I can't wait to see SCO screwed in court and hopefully nailed by the financial regulators over their pump & dump tactics.
Sigh.