One thing I am SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of is the my own government "protecting" me from everything. Thank god for sovereign states who can build these things and let everyone who wants to use them. Yes, other countries will have battlefield positional accuracy competitive with the U.S., but oh fucking well. I like thinking the U.S. is greater than any other nation in the world, but not to the point that I like seeing everyone else get treated like red-headed stepchildren. Go EU!
It's really not everday knowledge. I've been checking around with random IT people I know and not a single one could walk through all nine planets in order.
What I want to know is why so many people think it is. Most people can't say off the top of their heads how many ounces are in a pint, or how many pints in a quart.
Now THAT is everyday knowledge (or should be).
Knowing the order of all nine planets is NOT everyday knowledge. Unless, I guess, you live in a semi-fantasy world where earthlings travel about Earth's solar system.
You guys aren't having delusions are you? You do realize there is no reason to know the order of the planets, don't you? I mean, if you teach astronomy, or work for Nasa perhaps, sure, you should know this...but...outside of that, it's just trivia. Other trivia you learn in school are things like "how many electrons in a sodium atom?"
Now, if you lived in a fantasy world where, for some reason, most people needed to know this, then I would expect you to make statements like "you must be a moron if you don't know this, because this is everyday knowledge."
You know, the funniest part (to me) is, I have a pretty good memory and I could easily go find the order of the planets and commit them to memory. But I won't be doing that. It's not worth the time it takes. There's zero point to it; it serves no purpose. If I *did* learn them at one time 30 years ago when I was in grade school, my brain clearly did the right thing in dumping that information promptly.
I was just making really dumb assumptions about the zoom level. I caught that Jupiter was beyond Earth in that shot, but I was screwing up my perspective by assuming the zoom was really low on the shot, when obviously it was VERY magnified.
Actually, I just didn't think that perhaps the two planets were that close to each other in the Martian sky and the zoom was making them spread apart in the photo. I thought it was only moderately zoomed, but it was just an assumption; I had no real reason for assuming that.
Trust me, it was a brainfart, but you're correct: I do not belond here. I generally cannot tolerate the morons around/.
Why would I really remember something YOU learned in 3rd grade? I don't recall memorizing the position of the planets as being a requirement in any of my classes; and even if it were, why would I still remember them?
That's what happens when you commit a crime (aka, break a law). Violations of contracts like the GPL are civil matters; you have plaintiffs and defendants and right/wrong are determined by analyzing the contracts and matching that against who did what to whom.
Distributing copyrighted music without license is illegal; aka, you are breaking a law. The cops will come bust your door down.
Distributing GPL software without accompanying source is a violation of the GPL and a civil court will decide which part(s) of the contract you've violated and determine a punishment and restitution and all that. No cops, just suits and donuts.
Get used to this: courts don't hear cases when the plaintiffs don't make every attempt possible to get the defendants to remedy. In this case, if OpenTV complies (even if late), ta-da: no case for FSF.
But in the scenario I gave, you were not invited into my home.
Analagous to being invited in might be "you are a customer of mine who has been given a shell account."
Start from there.
No, if you log in one day and type 'cd/etc' and 'cat passwd' then no, that's not illegal trespass. But if you go 'cd/home/dumbassuser' and find files that dumbass left publicly writable and you overwrote those files with something you found funny, then yes, that would be illegal. This would analgous to vandalism. If you were invited into my home and went into the bathroom (invited or uninvited, it doesn't matter) and peed all over the walls and floor, yes, I'd knock your ass out and call the police.
A) I hope most of us old programmers aren't depending on someone else's company to put food in their mouth. You kids go on and take those underpaid "you think you got a future so work your ass off kid" jobs. You can have the lot of those.
B) If you think hitting on the girls is gross, you would barf a week's cafeteria lunching up if you knew how easy it is for us older guys to get them to open up. We're not hitting on them Bobby Teenager, we're making "day after" chit chat. Oops, were you working on this girl? I'm sorry, here, I'm done with her, you go ahead.
I think what people expect is a "physical trespassing" model; something people are already familiar with. It's not complicated, and it applies very well.
I have steps that lead to my front door. There's a doorknob on the door, so that you may open the door. I even have a convenient sidewalk for you to reach the steps to my front door. Out front is a nice, well-paved street for your car, and a curb at which to park. I leave a key under the mat which lets you in should the door be locked. If I am away on vacation, there will be no one present at my house to tell you not to enter.
All that said, without a word about permission to enter my home, you automatically have none. If you use all those advantages to gain access to my home, you are breaking, entering, trespassing and you will go to jail.
It's not difficult to ascertain why. People and corporations have the right to their private areas; it's private properly ownership, and it's a fairly old concept.
On the internet, the concept is the same. Packets routed between you and my computer are the path of access. It's pretty clear when you are walking up to my machine and when you are entering my machine. If I put a box of junk on my lawn with a sign that says "free, take what you need", then reaching into the box and taking something isn't stealing (analagous to: a publicly accessible web site). However, walking past the box into my home is against the law; just because the box is there saying "free, take what you need" doesn't mean it applies to my entire house.
Laws are shaped by the times, but I think you will find that most laws regarding access will follow those notions, and rightly so.
Wolf3D was the first, to be sure...but it lacked anything truly scary. DOOM had dark corners... flickering lights... freakish fleshy floating eyeballs that shot plasm at you... things lurking, gurgling, spawning around.
DOOM was the only game I ever had dreams about. Not good ones, let me tell you.
You aren't the first to declare yourself the courageous one, it seems.
In the face of your own terror you demand that no one, not even our worst enemies, be treated a certain way because, however remote you swear the chance, you don't want it happening to you.
Here's where the paranoia lies: why are they messing with him? What do you think, that the government sits around just ACHING to mess with people, and when nothing comes around, they go bananas and start making stuff up and the first guy they run across gets throw in the pokey for no reason because their appetite for "messing with people" is so insatiable they can't help themselves?
Yeah...oooohkay then. He was a complete innocent and they're just hungry for some hot "messing with people" action.
Of course I would cry foul. Soldiers being captured and detained want to be set free, and who wouldn't? It's not about one man's freedom, it's about national security and the ability to protect the freedom of MILLIONS of American citizens. If we guarantee so many rights and freedom to even our worst enemies, we leave ourselves open to being destroyed and then we will be in no position to protect anyone's rights and freedoms. It's just not good policy.
The only thing really lacking in this system are some definitions about what a combatant is and more information about their detention. The fact that people are held now with little information coming out as to why needs to be checked and governed a little more precisely. However, don't expect things to flat-out change. Holding them in secret is, in itself, a tactic against the combatant's colleagues. Things will not change except in slight degrees, and people will still not like it.
But you know what, tough fucking shit. Life isn't fair. If it was we'd all have new cars, new houses, new clothes, lots of food to eat, no pollution, quiet neighbors, etc., ad nauseum.
This is the price you pay to protect your freedom. The blood of our young men and women. The sacrifice of the freedom of the occassional combatant.
Suck it up and show some courage. Quit being such goddamn soppy vaginas because you're afraid they're coming after you. Throw away the fucking bong if you're so worried they're coming to knock down your door. Get a fucking haircut, too.
It still applies to people who commit murder, rape and child molestation, no worries. You can still do all those things knowing they have to prove you guilty before they can lock you away. Just don't make any attempts to bring down the U.S. itself.
You missed the point then. There doesn't have to be evidence. This isn't a criminal trial. They haven't apprehended a criminal. They've trapped a combatant: someone who is plotting to do harm to the U.S. as a whole.
Once everyone feels it is no threat to national security to have him come out and either stand trial or simply be set free, they will do so. That's when it's a matter for criminal courts; until then, he's a combatant.
What do you think they do with people they hold as material witnesses or as combatants? I mean, there's so much fear of conspiracy going on. Do you think they're testing sodomy techniques on these people? Perhaps they're unwilling test subjects for diseases or genetic conditioning? There's such a strong, fearful message of "Why are they holding him! What are they doing!? What if they did it to you!? WHAT IF THEY DID IT TO ME!?!?"
Jesus Christ, people...stiffen your backs a little.
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One thing I am SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of is the my own government "protecting" me from everything. Thank god for sovereign states who can build these things and let everyone who wants to use them. Yes, other countries will have battlefield positional accuracy competitive with the U.S., but oh fucking well. I like thinking the U.S. is greater than any other nation in the world, but not to the point that I like seeing everyone else get treated like red-headed stepchildren. Go EU!
It's really not everday knowledge. I've been checking around with random IT people I know and not a single one could walk through all nine planets in order.
What I want to know is why so many people think it is. Most people can't say off the top of their heads how many ounces are in a pint, or how many pints in a quart.
Now THAT is everyday knowledge (or should be).
Knowing the order of all nine planets is NOT everyday knowledge. Unless, I guess, you live in a semi-fantasy world where earthlings travel about Earth's solar system.
You guys aren't having delusions are you? You do realize there is no reason to know the order of the planets, don't you? I mean, if you teach astronomy, or work for Nasa perhaps, sure, you should know this...but...outside of that, it's just trivia. Other trivia you learn in school are things like "how many electrons in a sodium atom?"
Now, if you lived in a fantasy world where, for some reason, most people needed to know this, then I would expect you to make statements like "you must be a moron if you don't know this, because this is everyday knowledge."
You know, the funniest part (to me) is, I have a pretty good memory and I could easily go find the order of the planets and commit them to memory. But I won't be doing that. It's not worth the time it takes. There's zero point to it; it serves no purpose. If I *did* learn them at one time 30 years ago when I was in grade school, my brain clearly did the right thing in dumping that information promptly.
You are SO FUNNY! You kill you! You saw me write "position" and made a funny! Planets move along their orbital paths and made a funny!
HAHAHAHA!!!
I was just making really dumb assumptions about the zoom level. I caught that Jupiter was beyond Earth in that shot, but I was screwing up my perspective by assuming the zoom was really low on the shot, when obviously it was VERY magnified.
Actually, I just didn't think that perhaps the two planets were that close to each other in the Martian sky and the zoom was making them spread apart in the photo. I thought it was only moderately zoomed, but it was just an assumption; I had no real reason for assuming that.
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Trust me, it was a brainfart, but you're correct: I do not belond here. I generally cannot tolerate the morons around
Why would I really remember something YOU learned in 3rd grade? I don't recall memorizing the position of the planets as being a requirement in any of my classes; and even if it were, why would I still remember them?
Well, if Jupiter looks that large in the skies of Mars, and we're closer to Jupiter than Mars is, why doesn't Jupiter appear even LARGER in our sky?
Or am I missing something?
That's what happens when you commit a crime (aka, break a law). Violations of contracts like the GPL are civil matters; you have plaintiffs and defendants and right/wrong are determined by analyzing the contracts and matching that against who did what to whom.
Distributing copyrighted music without license is illegal; aka, you are breaking a law. The cops will come bust your door down.
Distributing GPL software without accompanying source is a violation of the GPL and a civil court will decide which part(s) of the contract you've violated and determine a punishment and restitution and all that. No cops, just suits and donuts.
Get used to this: courts don't hear cases when the plaintiffs don't make every attempt possible to get the defendants to remedy. In this case, if OpenTV complies (even if late), ta-da: no case for FSF.
Recognizing profound change = observant
Mistaking it for death = moron
But in the scenario I gave, you were not invited into my home.
/etc' and 'cat passwd' then no, that's not illegal trespass. But if you go 'cd /home/dumbassuser' and find files that dumbass left publicly writable and you overwrote those files with something you found funny, then yes, that would be illegal. This would analgous to vandalism. If you were invited into my home and went into the bathroom (invited or uninvited, it doesn't matter) and peed all over the walls and floor, yes, I'd knock your ass out and call the police.
Analagous to being invited in might be "you are a customer of mine who has been given a shell account."
Start from there.
No, if you log in one day and type 'cd
A) I hope most of us old programmers aren't depending on someone else's company to put food in their mouth. You kids go on and take those underpaid "you think you got a future so work your ass off kid" jobs. You can have the lot of those.
B) If you think hitting on the girls is gross, you would barf a week's cafeteria lunching up if you knew how easy it is for us older guys to get them to open up. We're not hitting on them Bobby Teenager, we're making "day after" chit chat. Oops, were you working on this girl? I'm sorry, here, I'm done with her, you go ahead.
I think what people expect is a "physical trespassing" model; something people are already familiar with. It's not complicated, and it applies very well.
I have steps that lead to my front door. There's a doorknob on the door, so that you may open the door. I even have a convenient sidewalk for you to reach the steps to my front door. Out front is a nice, well-paved street for your car, and a curb at which to park. I leave a key under the mat which lets you in should the door be locked. If I am away on vacation, there will be no one present at my house to tell you not to enter.
All that said, without a word about permission to enter my home, you automatically have none. If you use all those advantages to gain access to my home, you are breaking, entering, trespassing and you will go to jail.
It's not difficult to ascertain why. People and corporations have the right to their private areas; it's private properly ownership, and it's a fairly old concept.
On the internet, the concept is the same. Packets routed between you and my computer are the path of access. It's pretty clear when you are walking up to my machine and when you are entering my machine. If I put a box of junk on my lawn with a sign that says "free, take what you need", then reaching into the box and taking something isn't stealing (analagous to: a publicly accessible web site). However, walking past the box into my home is against the law; just because the box is there saying "free, take what you need" doesn't mean it applies to my entire house.
Laws are shaped by the times, but I think you will find that most laws regarding access will follow those notions, and rightly so.
'nuff said.
This guy has a BIG clue, and you guys would do well to stop playing the fools while talking, and start playing the wise folk and just listen.
If anyone will bust MS's nuts over the desktop market, this guy will do it...and it won't be due to a buttload of crap advise from wanna-be's.
Absolutely, positively: DOOM.
... flickering lights ... freakish fleshy floating eyeballs that shot plasm at you ... things lurking, gurgling, spawning around.
Wolf3D was the first, to be sure...but it lacked anything truly scary. DOOM had dark corners
DOOM was the only game I ever had dreams about. Not good ones, let me tell you.
Now, if it were done in Ruby, that would be cool. Perl is a guy who talks to himself and showers once a month at the shelter. Ruby is Ziyi Zhang.
You aren't the first to declare yourself the courageous one, it seems.
In the face of your own terror you demand that no one, not even our worst enemies, be treated a certain way because, however remote you swear the chance, you don't want it happening to you.
You are the coward.
You're saying, you are more afraid of the U.S. government than, say, a nuclear bomb detonated by a terrorist group in the middle of your home town?
I wish I could be so complacent that my own government was the largest fear I had. Must be nice.
Here's where the paranoia lies: why are they messing with him? What do you think, that the government sits around just ACHING to mess with people, and when nothing comes around, they go bananas and start making stuff up and the first guy they run across gets throw in the pokey for no reason because their appetite for "messing with people" is so insatiable they can't help themselves?
Yeah...oooohkay then. He was a complete innocent and they're just hungry for some hot "messing with people" action.
The accusation is enough; the crime is that serious.
Of course I would cry foul. Soldiers being captured and detained want to be set free, and who wouldn't? It's not about one man's freedom, it's about national security and the ability to protect the freedom of MILLIONS of American citizens. If we guarantee so many rights and freedom to even our worst enemies, we leave ourselves open to being destroyed and then we will be in no position to protect anyone's rights and freedoms. It's just not good policy.
The only thing really lacking in this system are some definitions about what a combatant is and more information about their detention. The fact that people are held now with little information coming out as to why needs to be checked and governed a little more precisely. However, don't expect things to flat-out change. Holding them in secret is, in itself, a tactic against the combatant's colleagues. Things will not change except in slight degrees, and people will still not like it.
But you know what, tough fucking shit. Life isn't fair. If it was we'd all have new cars, new houses, new clothes, lots of food to eat, no pollution, quiet neighbors, etc., ad nauseum.
This is the price you pay to protect your freedom. The blood of our young men and women. The sacrifice of the freedom of the occassional combatant.
Suck it up and show some courage. Quit being such goddamn soppy vaginas because you're afraid they're coming after you. Throw away the fucking bong if you're so worried they're coming to knock down your door. Get a fucking haircut, too.
It still applies to people who commit murder, rape and child molestation, no worries. You can still do all those things knowing they have to prove you guilty before they can lock you away. Just don't make any attempts to bring down the U.S. itself.
You missed the point then. There doesn't have to be evidence. This isn't a criminal trial. They haven't apprehended a criminal. They've trapped a combatant: someone who is plotting to do harm to the U.S. as a whole.
Once everyone feels it is no threat to national security to have him come out and either stand trial or simply be set free, they will do so. That's when it's a matter for criminal courts; until then, he's a combatant.
What do you think they do with people they hold as material witnesses or as combatants? I mean, there's so much fear of conspiracy going on. Do you think they're testing sodomy techniques on these people? Perhaps they're unwilling test subjects for diseases or genetic conditioning? There's such a strong, fearful message of "Why are they holding him! What are they doing!? What if they did it to you!? WHAT IF THEY DID IT TO ME!?!?"
Jesus Christ, people...stiffen your backs a little.