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Legally Defining "Unauthorized" Computer Access

SDuane writes "Orin S. Kerr, Associate Professor at George Washington University Law School, has written an article trying to answer the question "what does it mean to 'access' a computer? And when is access 'unauthorized'?" It's long, but interesting and he's looking for feedback."

359 comments

  1. access... by mjdth · · Score: 0, Redundant

    (P)Pronunciation Key(kss) n. 1.A means of approaching, entering, exiting, communicating with, or making use of: a store with easy access. 2. An outburst or onset: an access of rage. definetly 2. ooh man i hate computers sometimes

  2. Popups? by jmv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When thinking about it. One could say that a popup add "accesses" your computer in some way. Since it is also unauthorized, could it be illegal? :)

    1. Re:Popups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You also "access" the popups http daemon. Both actions (you receiving the popup, and you accessing their server) aren't really your fault, but the law is pretty vague.

    2. Re:Popups? by machine+of+god · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, or one could say that you accessed a popup add.

    3. Re:Popups? by Surak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only that, but a lot of things could be illegal on the OTHER side of that fence.

      For instance, your ISP forbids you to hook more than one machine to your connection. You setup a NAT box. That NAT box is of course accessing one or more computers on the ISPs network (DNS server, mail server, news server, etc.). But you now have MULTIPLE computers accessing those boxes THROUGH the NAT box.

      You've just violated your contract between your ISP and yourself. And according to this paper, that means that you may have just committed not only a civil breach of contract, but also a CRIMINAL act for which you can be *incarcerated*.

      Wow. The implications of this are *staggering* if you think about that way.

    4. Re:Popups? by papadiablo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When thinking about it. One could say that a popup add "accesses" your computer in some way

      It's not that the popup is accessing your computer, your computer is accessing the popup. Your computer sends the request to the webpage with the popup and interprets it, you authorize it by loading that website with popups enabled. Therefore it isn't illegal. If you want to prevent them then use a browser that blocks the popups.

    5. Re:Popups? by jmv · · Score: 1

      Well, the popup runs code on my computer. Where do you draw the line between that and (more) malicious code executed through the browser (BTW, yes I use mozilla so I haven't seen a popup for a while). I'm not saying that popup *should* be illegal, just that if you interpret a couple word loosely, it might.

    6. Re:Popups? by pete-classic · · Score: 3, Funny

      Woah, there. Ethernet is serial, I have an Ethernet connection from my NAT box to my cable modem. Therefore I only have one PC communicating with (AKA "hooked up to") the ISP at at time.

      HA!

      -Peter

    7. Re:Popups? by Timesprout · · Score: 1

      Yeah but we live in such a fucked up world that shortly visiting a site will imply (after a few flesh eaters redefine your rights) that you agree to view all the sites 'sponsors' or otherwise messages which just happen to pop up on your screen.

      The next step then will then be to make it illegal to block popups.

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    8. Re:Popups? by lightspawn · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One could say that a popup add "accesses" your computer in some way. Since it is also unauthorized, could it be illegal? :)

      Of course it's authorized. Your browser preferences allow pop-up to be displayed, or you'd never see them. The combination of your browser configuration and your request for a web page that contained Javascript code, plus the fact you authorized your browser (and by extension, the sites you access) to run such code, is all the authorization that is needed.

      Don't try solve technical problems by legal means. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    9. Re:Popups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want to see popups, go to My First Big Cock.

    10. Re:Popups? by 3247 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Actually, the paper says exactly the opposite:
      ... the Article offers a normative proposal ... [and] argues that courts should reject a contract theory of authorization, and should narrow the scope of unauthorized access statutes to circumvention of code-based restrictions on computer privileges.
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    11. Re:Popups? by Surak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is how the author would change the laws if it were up to him. A recommendation. Actual laws may very, but the article specifically says that some jurisdictions are actually defining 'illegal access' by the contract theory of authorization.

    12. Re:Popups? by corsec67 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ethernet is serial, I have an Ethernet connection from my NAT box to my cable modem.

      just be careful that the ISP doesn't put limits on the number of times per second that you can switch computers

      "Yeah, I only have one computer hooked to the cable modem at a time. I just switch them 2^20th times per second..."

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    13. Re:Popups? by Surak · · Score: 1

      No, that's just it. That's the point of the article. What defines access? If we use your side of the argument and go to a different extreme, then I may be able legally crack Slashdot's security to adjust to my karma because although I've agreed (whether expressly or implicitly) not to crack Slashdot's security by signing up for an account, I'm not actually accessing Slashdot to do so. I'm accessing my NAT box, which is in tern accessing my ISPs routers, which is in turn accessing some other routers ...(etc. etc.).. which is in turn accessing Slashdot. Therefore, by your legal opinion, although I cracked Slashdot, I NEVER ILLEGALLY ACCESSED IT BECAUSE THE LAST ROUTER IN THE CHAIN WAS THE COMPUTER THAT ACCTUALLY ACCESSED IT!

      Heh. It is exactly this debate, according to the author, that is the reason why we need definitions for what defines 'unauthorized access'.

    14. Re:Popups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

      How insensitive!

      Around here we call them "policemen".

    15. Re:Popups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yeah, or one could say that you accessed a popup add.

      Prolly the business assholes will contend in court that they did not "access" your computer, rather that by sending a request for a web page, you "contracted" to have them push whatever shit they could think up at you.

    16. Re:Popups? by SN74S181 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or, it could be said that since your keyboard, which has a microprocessor in it, and also your hard drive, are both connected to the CPU that is attached to your computer, which is connected to the Internet through an ISP, that you've attached multiple machines to the network, even when you only have one 'computer' connected. Or is it the embedded controller in your modem or on your ethernet card that is connected and hence your main CPU is in violation of the 'one machine' rule??

    17. Re:Popups? by ottffssent · · Score: 1

      Suppose your gateway, rather than forwarding requests, actually creates a new IP packet. Does that mean only one machine is "accessing" your connection?

      What if you download a movie onto the net-connected box and then SCP it to another machine. Is that other machine accessing the connection? If not, what delay must exist between data arriving at the gateway and arriving at the eventual destination in order for it not to count as access? A NAT or proxy box basically fetches things on behalf of a different machine. Downloading a movie on the box with the DSL connection and then moving it to a different machine is the same, except it's being done manually.

      Anyway, those are my ramblings having not read the article yet.

    18. Re:Popups? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      "Well, the popup runs code on my computer."

      No, your web browser runs the code to generate the pop-up.

    19. Re:Popups? by Frater+219 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Of course it's authorized. Your browser preferences allow pop-up to be displayed, or you'd never see them.

      That isn't at all an "of course" issue. If I place an unpatched default installation of Red Hat 6.2 on an Internet-connected host, my "preferences" (read: installed software) by default allow remote users to obtain root access. No matter how stupid or negligent I would be to do so, I would still expect that for someone to take advantage of those "preferences" to r00t the b0x0r would indeed be illegal. Similarly, just because Jane Winecooler's browser by default allows the installation of spyware and the forced display of popup spam, does not authorize anyone to set up booby-trapped Web sites which do such things to her browser.

      The idea that any access that my host does not block is by default an authorized access is compelling to the hacker (in the old sense) since it means that everything one can do, one may do, provided it is not obviously harmful. Under this construction, if you leave your box r00table, then I may r00t it -- but I may not (for instance) delete your files or use your host to DoS someone. However, I do not think this is a solid foundation for a polity which must include non-hacker computer users. Such people expect that unless they intend to grant access, nobody may access their computers.

      I hold host operators responsible for their own hosts' behavior and security. However, I also hold abusers responsible for their behavior in exploiting vulnerable hosts to do things that they know would be unwelcome to those hosts' owners. Spyware, abusive popup spam, r00ting, email spam, and the many other unwelcome abuses of people's systems are all simply different degrees of unwelcome, unauthorized access.

    20. Re:Popups? by mspring · · Score: 1

      It's all just a matter of how you define "one machine" and "multiple
      computers". To me the NAT box with other computers behind is in
      principal not different from a single machine with multiple
      intelligent terminals. At the end of the day, it's all about CPU
      pushing bits from one interface to another.

      Where is the definition saying that my entire home network is not
      simply one machine?

    21. Re:Popups? by Temsi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Where is the definition saying that my entire home network is not
      simply one machine?


      Exactly.
      What if the definition classifies a CPU as one machine? Wouldn't that make multi cpu boxes a violation?

      Personally, I think stretching the "one machine" limit to ban home networks is rather retarded, even though the "one machine" rule is just fine in and of itself.
      An ISP can certainly limit how many concurrent connections to their system the customer can make, but that's about it.
      That being the case, a router connected directly to your broadband connection, using the IP address assigned to you by your ISP, IS the only thing connecting directly to your ISP.
      Your computers are connected to the router, but not directly to your ISP. The router does what it is built to do, it re-routes packets from one port to another, not really caring if the packets come from a local connection or a remote connection.
      To me, having a router connected means you only have one machine connected to the ISP. End of story... unless of course the ISP specifies that sharing the connection through home networking is not permitted, but even the legality of that restriction is debatable.

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    22. Re:Popups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think it should be like "breaking and entering", if I knock on the door and someone/anyone let's me in I clearly haven't broken and entered. I might be trespassing, but they'd have to tell me to leave. On the other hand providing a password might be seen as picking a lock or somesuch.

      Then again if i'm challenged for a password and succeed then the computer has "authorized" my access. The owner of the system might not have directly consented, but perhaps they should do a better job of controlling access.

    23. Re:Popups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact your NAT box is the only box connected to your ISP, your computer are connected to the NAT box and not to your ISP...

      How could this be illegal? (:innocent look:)

      If you say that your other box are considered connected on he internet network, well your USB mouse would also be considered on internet illegally...

      if it's not illegal to get your USB mouse, i think you might be able to connect to some other computer to internet thru a USB hub...

    24. Re:Popups? by Cranx · · Score: 1

      I think what people expect is a "physical trespassing" model; something people are already familiar with. It's not complicated, and it applies very well.

      I have steps that lead to my front door. There's a doorknob on the door, so that you may open the door. I even have a convenient sidewalk for you to reach the steps to my front door. Out front is a nice, well-paved street for your car, and a curb at which to park. I leave a key under the mat which lets you in should the door be locked. If I am away on vacation, there will be no one present at my house to tell you not to enter.

      All that said, without a word about permission to enter my home, you automatically have none. If you use all those advantages to gain access to my home, you are breaking, entering, trespassing and you will go to jail.

      It's not difficult to ascertain why. People and corporations have the right to their private areas; it's private properly ownership, and it's a fairly old concept.

      On the internet, the concept is the same. Packets routed between you and my computer are the path of access. It's pretty clear when you are walking up to my machine and when you are entering my machine. If I put a box of junk on my lawn with a sign that says "free, take what you need", then reaching into the box and taking something isn't stealing (analagous to: a publicly accessible web site). However, walking past the box into my home is against the law; just because the box is there saying "free, take what you need" doesn't mean it applies to my entire house.

      Laws are shaped by the times, but I think you will find that most laws regarding access will follow those notions, and rightly so.

    25. Re:Popups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and where you you think your web browser is - Mars? Unless your running through some remote terminal, code running in your web browser IS running on your computer.

    26. Re:Popups? by clnelson · · Score: 1

      Well, if I leave my house and don't lock the door, that doesn't give someone the right to walk in and drink all the beer in my fridge. That's unauthorized access. Not breaking, I guess, but entering.

      The distinction is between what is public and what is private. On the intenet, many of the services we run on a aserver *are* public. So there *is* more of a burden on users the clearly define for people when they've come across something private that they cannot enter or perhaps even browsee a private resource. The burden isn't on the person to encrypt or otherwise hide something for it to be private. For instance, just beacause I dont' encrypt all my email doesn't give someone the right to read it -- even if they can easily access it (which on my network isn't that hard, really).

      Obviously, root-ing or delteting, or otherwise intereferring with a service is a totally different thing and is outside of the "access" issue. Port-scanning on the other hand is an obvious "ok" as far as access is concerned.

      Public vs private space in a very public medium requires communication and notification.

    27. Re:Popups? by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Your mention of authorization makes me think that simply put, unauthorized is any access that has circumvented any authorization and/or authentication measures that have been put on the system. This would include buffer overflows, backdoors, etc. This would not include default passwords not being changed.

      Popups are (unfortunately) part of the web experience, they are not circumventing anything on your computer.

    28. Re:Popups? by wo1verin3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      >> LAST ROUTER IN THE CHAIN WAS THE COMPUTER
      >> THAT ACCTUALLY ACCESSED IT!

      What I vaguely remember from law class was that a person can be found guilty if they started the chain of events that lead to the ultimate result.

      Of course this only goes back so far as I guess if I commited the crime my dad/mom ultimately started the chain of events which included my birth... or is it my grandparents?

    29. Re:Popups? by shotfeel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Back to the concept of original sin. Its all Eve's fault.

    30. Re:Popups? by wo1verin3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well God created Eve and the apples, so really it is his fault.

      So what if there is no God? Who do we blame? Personally I say we blame Canada. (yes i'm in canuck land)

    31. Re:Popups? by shotfeel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      OK, so let's say you do invite me into your home and tell me to wait in the living room while you go get us something to drink. While you're gone, I realize I really have to take a leak, and go use your bathroom.

      Is that illegal access?

    32. Re:Popups? by gilesjuk · · Score: 1

      Yes you access a site with popups, but you can't always see what you are going to view before you have. Naturally if you access a site like Geocities or Tripod you know popups will appear.

      Perhaps what is needed is a browser option that downloads a page and then display a summary about the page, number of adverts, popups etc.. you would then have the option not to view the page. Of course this would make browsing a bit tedious :)

    33. Re:Popups? by tdelaney · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, not correct.

      I use the proxomitron and NetCaptor to prevent seeing popups. I have therefore implemented an authorisation system - I only authorise popups from specific places.

      Therefore, if I get a popup I don't want, it means someone has circumvented my authorisation measures.

    34. Re:Popups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure your browser preferences don't say anything about flaming monkeys, now do they? If a flaming monkey attacked you, is it your fault that you never set your browser preferences to dissallow monkeys of the flaming sort? Think about it.

    35. Re:Popups? by Surak · · Score: 1

      Or ... what if someone or something else created God? There's a gazillion iterations limited only by your own imagination. :) The answer is of course that it depends on whether or not when you took the action you took, could you have FORESEEN those events. Your father, grandfather, etc. obviously had NO IDEA what would happen after you were born, so their culpability is pretty close nil. OTOH, if you believe that God is both omniscient and omnipresent (common concepts in the Big Three (Judaism/Christianity/Islam) religions, but not other major world religions) then of course EVERYTHING is God's fault and God's Divine plan.

      Fortunately there are those of us who are sane enough to realize that, logically, God cannot be both omniscient and omnipresent as well as being all-loving (mostly Christianity, but present in some sects of Judaism and Islam) otherwise evil wouldn't exist, right?

    36. Re:Popups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Nah, just use Mozilla and one of those userContent css files that will let you block ads, etc. Although I'm still looking for one for flash adverts using the embed tag...

    37. Re:Popups? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      No, but if while you're in my bathroom, you filch a handful out of my spare-change jar, that was indeed unauthorized access.

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    38. Re:Popups? by fuzdout · · Score: 1

      Hey thanks for telling me where you keep your money. Can I use your bathroom now? ;)

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    39. Re:Popups? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      [counts change] Three cents. Use the barn. :)

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    40. Re:Popups? by fuzdout · · Score: 1

      What is this, a Pay-Toilet? :)

      I prefur not to use the barn. That one cow always watches me and it really creeps me out.

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    41. Re:Popups? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Nope, it's an iLoo. Insert 25 cents for another 15 minutes.

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    42. Re:Popups? by fuzdout · · Score: 1

      Er, what do you think I had to do in there? All I wanted was to pee!

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    43. Re:Popups? by gilesjuk · · Score: 1

      I already use Privoxy, but it blocks popups that are sometimes required to download and upload things.

    44. Re:Popups? by pete-classic · · Score: 1

      First of all, a tern is a bird, or something consisting of three parts.

      Second of all, my argument is completely technically correct, if totally impractical.

      Your argument is nonsense. It's like "I didn't break the window, officer, the hammer did." The hammer was impelled by your muscles and guided by your thoughts. You did the act.

      Or maybe even more to the point, the fact that a postal carrier delivered the mail bomb doesn't negate the fact that you sent it.

      You would have come off looking a lot smarter if you had pointed out that I have multiple machines with open TCP connections at any given time, and that, in practice, I have multiple machines connected simultaneously via a multiplexed serial line. Smarter, but humor impaired.

      Nice try anyway.

      -Peter

    45. Re:Popups? by Cranx · · Score: 1

      But in the scenario I gave, you were not invited into my home.

      Analagous to being invited in might be "you are a customer of mine who has been given a shell account."

      Start from there.

      No, if you log in one day and type 'cd /etc' and 'cat passwd' then no, that's not illegal trespass. But if you go 'cd /home/dumbassuser' and find files that dumbass left publicly writable and you overwrote those files with something you found funny, then yes, that would be illegal. This would analgous to vandalism. If you were invited into my home and went into the bathroom (invited or uninvited, it doesn't matter) and peed all over the walls and floor, yes, I'd knock your ass out and call the police.

    46. Re:Popups? by rifter · · Score: 1

      There was a famous case in which someone (IIRC they worked for Intel) was fired because they tried to improve the security of some of their systems, and after he was fired, they had not disabled his account, so he logged in and got his email and downloaded files he had stored there. The access was through logging in, but since he did not have authorization to be on the system he was found guilty.

    47. Re:Popups? by Catnapster · · Score: 1

      Eh?

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  3. Yet another example by b-baggins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is yet another example of our society moving from a common law system to a civil law system. Good for the lawyers (who make a lot of money) and the government (who can club you with it), bad for your average Joe (robbed by the lawyers, threatened and intimidated by the government).

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    1. Re:Yet another example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      not necessarily, my dad and me had a discussion on this yesterday in the terms of spammers.

      Is a spammer unauthorized to use an open relay. I definately think its unethical, but think about it for a second. The admin set up the mail sever as an open relay. Now did he purposely set it up this way, or was it defaulted that he wouldnt have wanted. If the person set it up to allow others to use it, maybe for some remote users. But he didnt intend the general public to use it.

      How does the law apply here, is it implicit consent because it is open? does the admin have to knowingly set it up this way? it does get tricky here, because intent of the admin is taken into account. it is similar to anonymous ftp, how do you know you are allowed to use the server? ftp.mozilla.org is clear, but what about some company that doesnt realize it? and in that case, how do you know if the company doesnt realize or want it that way?

      i think sending one email through an open relay (for what purpose? i dont know) would not be unethical. if it was a harrasing/whatever email, the use of the open relay wouldnt come into play, the message would be considered. but a person that sends HUGE quantities of email through it, would be considered unethical.

      my definition of spam is simple, Unsolicited Bulk Email. it does not have to be commercial in content, so this would also include politicians (i consider that commercial personally, but thats a whole different issue ;)

      this definition simplifies things, if i send an email to someone i havent communicated before, it would be unsolicited, but it wouldnt be bulk. if i send a thousand out to a mailing list (legit) it wouldnt be unsolicited.

    2. Re:Yet another example by alkali · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Criminal law has been almost exclusively a law of statutes for a very long time. California eliminated common law crimes in 1873; many other states have also done so.

      There is no federal common law of crimes, and pretty much no federal common law of any sort outside of a few narrowly defined areas (e.g., admiralty and maritime law).

      Why you think that common law (unwritten, a tradition embedded in thousands of precedential cases contained in law reporters that few public libraries have) is necessarily better for the "average Joe" than civil law (statutes available online for anyone who cares to read them) is not clear.

    3. Re:Yet another example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not leave it up to the administrator to enfoce network and internet behavior and let's not have the government start imposing their own biased non technical view of SHOULD be going on.

      If you don't like spam, block it.

    4. Re:Yet another example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why you think that common law (unwritten, a tradition embedded in thousands of precedential cases contained in law reporters that few public libraries have) is necessarily better for the "average Joe" than civil law (statutes available online for anyone who cares to read them) is not clear.

      Why the grandparent post got modded up is even less clear. Do you think that there are even three moderators on SlashDot who really understand this issue? :)

    5. Re:Yet another example by kfx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why you think that common law (unwritten, a tradition embedded in thousands of precedential cases contained in law reporters that few public libraries have) is necessarily better for the "average Joe" than civil law...

      Common law is better for the average Joe because, being unwritten as it is, it is by neccessity far simpler and more straightforward. This as opposed to the contorted legalese that comprises nearly all civil law, specially designed to be so complicated that you have to hire someone who makes a living of knowing it all to defend you in court... yet so very easy for the courts to interpret far more broadly than it should.

    6. Re:Yet another example by LarsG · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Is a spammer unauthorized to use an open relay. I definately think its unethical, but think about it for a second. The admin set up the mail sever as an open relay. Now did he purposely set it up this way, or was it defaulted that he wouldnt have wanted. If the person set it up to allow others to use it, maybe for some remote users. But he didnt intend the general public to use it.

      This point is also relevant with regards to wireless access. Is the fact that an access point allows you to associate with it and a DHCP server provides network settings for you mean that it is ok for you to access the network?

      My personal view is that the Internet should default to open - if there are no barriers (whether effective or ineffective), then the default assumption should be that the administrator/installer/owner intended for the resource to be available to the Internet at large. Otherwise, it would become a legal minefield just to surf, let alone turning on your laptop with a wireless card in the middle of Wall Street. The effect is that the owner of a resource has an obligation to block/deny access if he does not intend for it to be publically available.

      That goes both for wireless access point and mail relays.

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    7. Re:Yet another example by NeoChichiri · · Score: 1

      No, actually...with a WAP there's no real way to limit the access to the network. That's one of the drawbacks of wireless. Security consists solely of a key. It's not like a regular network where you can limit it physically. My personal view is that the Internet should default to open - if there are no barriers (whether effective or ineffective), then the default assumption should be that the administrator/installer/owner intended for the resource to be available to the Internet at large. The problem with that idea is that, much as in real life, there are too many people that will abuse what is open. It would be all well and good if this was a perfect world and nobody would abuse open systems or open access. But this ISN'T a perfect world. One of the biggest reasons that systems AREN'T open is because people abused the system when they were. Once upon a time almost all mail servers open. Sounds unbelievable, but it's true. It wasn't until people started exploiting the open servers to send spam or viruses that servers really started getting locked down. It's sad that things have to be this way, but that's the world we live in.

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    8. Re:Yet another example by ran-o-matic · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have to disagree on this one. Interpreting common law cases can be some of the most difficult work performed by an attorney. In the US, it includes all statutory and case law background of England and the American colonies before the American Revolution. Common law is not the opposite of civil law but rather of current statutory law. It may include civil as well as criminal components. It most certainly is not simple.

    9. Re:Yet another example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so i suppose calling you collect to let you know about a wonderful oppurtunity is okay, of course you would not have the option of denying the charges.

      if you dont like vandals, dont let them on your property i guess too?

      oh no the big bad scary govt is going to make a law, therefore it is wrong, without question. sorry it is not always like that

    10. Re:Yet another example by werdna · · Score: 1

      Common law is better for the average Joe because, being unwritten as it is, it is by neccessity far simpler and more straightforward.

      This remark reflects little understanding of the meaning of these terms. Common law is not, by nature, unwritten -- to the contrary -- it is remarkably overwritten -- it is the aggregate of case law (all published), and its interpretation in accordance with stare decisis.

      Far from "simpler and more straightforward," average joe more likely than not wouldn't have access to all of the information necessary to reach a conclusion, even if he could understand it once written. In contrast, most statutes are available for free on the internet.

      The remark that statutes are "specially designed to be so complicated that you have to hire . . ." is unsupported and silly.

    11. Re:Yet another example by macjohn · · Score: 1

      my dad and me had a discussion


      My dad and I... Please!

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    12. Re:Yet another example by Steve+B · · Score: 1
      If you don't like spam, block it.

      Fine, if the law treats my blocks just like it treats my locks (i.e. if you get caught deliberately trying to get past them, you go to jail).

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    13. Re:Yet another example by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      Common law contains something called "trespass to chattels" (chattels are property in general, not just slaves, BTW) which is NOT good for us.

      You can see what the EFF has to say about it here:
      http://www.eff.org/Cases/Intel_v_Hamidi/200 11218_e ff_trespasstc_analysis.html

      In fact, to some degree, this is what they're agonizing over here--when are you "really" authorized to do something? I'd tend to say that if it's open, but you cause some kind of HARM by [ab]using it, it's bad, but that's probably not quite specific enough a suggestion :]

    14. Re:Yet another example by LarsG · · Score: 1

      No, actually...with a WAP there's no real way to limit the access to the network. That's one of the drawbacks of wireless. Security consists solely of a key.

      Huh? WEP, MAC authorization tables, a firewall behind the access point only allowing IPsec traffic through... There are lots of ways to secure a wireless segment of your network.

      It's not like a regular network where you can limit it physically.

      I thought we were talking about the definition of legitimate/illegitimate access to resources on the Internet, and how a reasonable person would be able to tell which is which.

      The problem with that idea is that, much as in real life, there are too many people that will abuse what is open.

      I think you are missing the context. The question is: "if a service is not protected in any way, would it be digital breaking and entering if someone discovered that service and used it?". My view is that it should not be illegal to use a resource that has been made publically available (whether intentional or because of a crappy admin) with no sort of authentication.

      I am not asking server admins to open their mail relays. I am saying that if someone discovers an open relay (or an open wireless access point, or an unprotected webpage, or an open .NET service), the law should say that accessing the service/resource is not the same as unauthorized access.

      One of the biggest reasons that systems AREN'T open is because people abused the system when they were. Once upon a time almost all mail servers open. Sounds unbelievable, but it's true. It wasn't until people started exploiting the open servers to send spam or viruses that servers really started getting locked down. It's sad that things have to be this way, but that's the world we live in.

      You think I don't know that? In the old days there were open FTP sites with anonymous write access at many universities. DNS servers allowed zone-transfers from anywhere. Mail relays were open. Usenet servers were open.

      This worked because the majority of the people with 'net access in those days understood that the services would disappear if abused.

      Then came Eternal September.

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  4. unauthorized use by carpe_noctem · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does /.'ting a server count as unauthorized use? Because then, we should be a bit worried here...

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    1. Re:unauthorized use by donutz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does /.'ting a server count as unauthorized use? Because then, we should be a bit worried here...

      I would think a lawyer could twist it that way, but they'd have to prove intent to /. the server, I'd think. If you are just going to the linked page to read the article, that's fine. But if you're collectively conspiring to bring a server to its knees...(as is the case in some links in comments to a story), well, consider yourself vulnerable to those laywers.

    2. Re:unauthorized use by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      If you said something on your site like "please do not link to this page in a slashdot article", then they very well could be held liable.

      The /. effect is overrated, only little personal websites hosted on DSL lines go down, but those little guys often do incur bandwidth and maintainance costs that they could probably hold /. accountable for.

      I don't think it has to be an intent to harm, as in I didn't intend to hit the baseball through my neighbours window but still wound up paying for it.

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    3. Re:unauthorized use by clarkcox3 · · Score: 1
      If you said something on your site like "please do not link to this page in a slashdot article", then they very well could be held liable So, you're saying that I could put "please do not likn to my site", and then sue anyone who did? I doubt it.
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    4. Re:unauthorized use by caluml · · Score: 1

      I propose a slashdot.txt standard. Actually, that might not be a bad idea. Although maybe it would have to be called mirror.txt - you could then specify which CIDR blocks could mirror which files on your server.

  5. unauthorized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..but the computer can't say no, I thought it wanted me to access it, honest!

  6. WOW!!!! by zoobaby · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    /.'ed after 2 posts!

    I would like to read, so please post text and/or mirror.

  7. PDF link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article links to an abstract, which has a pdf link in it to the actual goodies. here is the pdf link, for your viewing pleasure. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID39 9740_code030507630.pdf?abstractid=399740

    1. Re:PDF link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pdf's are fucking stupid. Pusblishing it on the web means html, or one of the descendents thereof. Not a bloated 'printable' format.

    2. Re:PDF link by BuckaBooBob · · Score: 1

      Well when you think about it... When was HTML not a portable document format :)

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  8. Beat me to it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very first thought, dag nab it ....

  9. Which is worse? by jonfelder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The fact that what constitutes "unauthorized access" is very broad, or that the penalties for "unauthorized access" are ridiculously out of whack. You could practically murder someone and spend less time in jail then if you commit a computer crime.

    1. Re:Which is worse? by 3247 · · Score: 2, Funny
      "You could practically murder someone and spend less time in jail then if you commit a computer crime."
      So if you murder someone, don't do it with a computer then. *scnr*
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    2. Re:Which is worse? by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 2, Funny

      The hackers are either with us or against us. We will fight this war on hax0rism, and we shall be victorious. Do not destroy important files, a source of data that belongs to the user.

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    3. Re:Which is worse? by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

      In certain instances, knowingly murdering someone carries a maximum jail time of less than 8 years. For example (the one I am familiar with)sending a cleanup crew into an enclosed area (a gasoline tanker) without proper respiratory protection and knowing beforehand the enclosed area contains lethal amounts of chemicals. When they cleanup crew dies, the maximum jailtime imposed by Federal OSHA/EPA law is 8 years per person.

      Something to think about...

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  10. I think... by Kickstart70 · · Score: 5, Funny

    posting "1 4/\/\ 0wnz0ring j00!!!!!! luser!!!! FEE KEVIN" on their website, qualifies.

  11. Overflow by dsanfte · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    "This Abstract has been viewed 415 times"

    Hope they didn't use a short int for that counter variable.

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    1. Re:Overflow by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      THey said it was a long article. And this is slashdot. Therefore, I deduce that nobody is reading it.

      Maybe the slashdot effect is all a lie...?

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  12. Court case by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Informative
    I was involved in a federal case where the defendant was accused of unauthorized access because he used EXPN and VRFY to determine a range of email addresses to mailbomb. I thought it was bullshit, and faxed them a copy of this page (God forbid they use email) indicating that these commands were publically availible to anyone on the internet, but the prosecutors weren't particularly interested and were rather disappointed at my opinion.

    The charge was eventually dropped at any rate.

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    1. Re:Court case by bmetzler · · Score: 0
      I was involved in a federal case where the defendant was accused of unauthorized access because he used EXPN and VRFY to determine a range of email addresses to mailbomb. I thought it was bullshit,...

      Wait, you think that it is acceptable to mailbomb?

      -Brent
    2. Re:Court case by Xerithane · · Score: 1

      I was involved in a federal case where the defendant was accused of unauthorized access because he used EXPN and VRFY to determine a range of email addresses to mailbomb. I thought it was bullshit, and faxed them a copy of this page (God forbid they use email) indicating that these commands were publically availible to anyone on the internet, but the prosecutors weren't particularly interested and were rather disappointed at my opinion.

      A crowbar is a perfectly legal, commonly available tool to anyone who can buy one. What's your point?

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    3. Re:Court case by Dynedain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but the prosecutors weren't particularly interested and were rather disappointed at my opinion

      You should have sent that to the defense. The prosecutors aren't going to bring up any info that will possibly weaken their case.

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    4. Re:Court case by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Didn't say or imply anything of the sort. The grandparent article was about the folly of trying to jail someone for using EXPN and VRFY.

      It could work to criminalize doing something legal with illegal intent, but it's a dangerous road to go down.

    5. Re:Court case by Alidar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Procescutors have to bring up things that tend to establish the innocence of the defendant, its called exculpatory evidence.

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    6. Re:Court case by bmetzler · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It could work to criminalize doing something legal with illegal intent, but it's a dangerous road to go down.

      I think that criminal intent chould be criminalized.

      This story is about unauthorized access. I think that defining unauthorized access is easy. It is an access that the owner would not give explicit permission for. If I have a house and leave all the doors open, it should be obvious that that is private property, and I don't expect anyone to welcome themselves inside. However, if I have a retail store I expect people to come in. The same should apply to cyberspace. It is unauthorized if it is not obvious that the unwashed masses are expected in.

      One of the most foolish things I've ever heard is that someone who uses an exploit to get around a login banner that says "UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS PROHIBITED", is found not guilty of unauthorized access because he didn't see the banner.

      -Brent
    7. Re:Court case by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
      I sent it to both sides, but as I said the charge was dropped.

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    8. Re:Court case by Zarquon · · Score: 1

      How do you know if a service is public access? If you have an open port 80, does that means it's okay to access it?

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    9. Re:Court case by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

      I think that criminal intent chould be criminalized.

      Welcome to 1984. The Thought Police are watching you.

      Seriously, how else do you intend to criminalize intent? Criminalize actions.

      I think that defining unauthorized access is easy. It is an access that the owner would not give explicit permission for.

      So, if I'm operating a wireless access point that I want people to use at their whim, how do I explicitly make it public? By making it so that people can use it. If someone else has a wireless access point that they don't want people to use, they'd better close it up, because if it's open it's indistinguishable from WAPs like mine, which are intended for public use.

      The comparison to a house is idiotic. My computer is not a house. The only thing my computer has in common with a house is that they both are containers for my stuff. Digital "stuff", however, is qualitatively different from physical stuff, and has to follow different rules. This article is about figuring out exactly what those rules should be.

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    10. Re:Court case by bmetzler · · Score: 1
      If you have an open port 80, does that means it's okay to access it?

      Common sense should rule.

      -Brent
    11. Re:Court case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think that defining unauthorized access is easy. It is an access that the owner would not give explicit permission for.

      That sure sounds simple. Simple, that is, until you realize that CmdrTaco never gave explicit authorization to use Slashdot, for people whose names start with the letter "b".

      Simple until you find out that your ISP's terms prohibit using their mailserver for the purpose of disparaging Foo Corp, which is exactly what you have been doing for the last 2 years.

      Simple until you find out that Foo Books' online store, while allowing users to review books, prohibits using their machine for "negative" reviews since people don't buy books when they see negative reviews.

      Got authorization?

    12. Re:Court case by broter · · Score: 1

      Common sense should rule.

      Your example was based on the web. People who have seen the internet develope will remember when telnet and ftp were the kings; and before that when bbs' were the typical interaction a computer would be used for. So, how does your "common sense" rule cover the next big thing? How does it handle p2p interaction? How does it handle poorly defined or new protocols?

      The user friendly face of the web is a thin mask pulled over a non-human readable universe. Does common sense tell you when connection failures are configuration or authentication failures?

      I claim it does little good in the general case.

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    13. Re:Court case by Travoltus · · Score: 1
      It could work to criminalize doing something legal with illegal intent, but it's a dangerous road to go down.

      You mean, like the way they criminalize using a knife (which is legal to have) to hurt someone?
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    14. Re:Court case by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      A crowbar is a perfectly legal, commonly available tool to anyone who can buy one. What's your point?

      I think his point was that when you use a crowbar to break into a building, you should be prosecuted for breaking in, not for using a crowbar.

      Besides, we're not even talking of a crowbar-level violation. EXPN and VRFY are testing features that should be switched off on a live server. In real-world terms this 'crime' ranks about the level of taking a piss down a back-alley at night.

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    15. Re:Court case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would never give explicit permission for slashdot to send me such rubbish.

    16. Re:Court case by dipierro · · Score: 1

      If I have a house and leave all the doors open, it should be obvious that that is private property, and I don't expect anyone to welcome themselves inside. However, if I have a retail store I expect people to come in.

      Sure, but you presented two very easy to identify scenarios. Now what if instead you own 20 acres of wooded land? If someone enters, should they be charged with a crime. In most states, they can be charged civilly for any actual damages, but unless you have posted "no tresspassing" signs every so many feet or explicitly told them to leave, they can't be charged criminally.

      The same should apply to cyberspace. It is unauthorized if it is not obvious that the unwashed masses are expected in.

      In most states, that's not the law. Rather, it is authorized if it is not obvious that the unwashed masses are not allowed in.

    17. Re:Court case by dipierro · · Score: 1

      It could work to criminalize doing something legal with illegal intent, but it's a dangerous road to go down.

      Not really. We have laws against "entering a building or other premises with the intent to commit theft." It's called burglary. We also have laws against "illegal entrance into premises with criminal intent." It's called "breaking and entering."

    18. Re:Court case by Reziac · · Score: 1

      My favourite is when I go to http://www.somenewsite.com, and what do I see??

      "You don't have permission to access / on this server."

      Er, okay, if you say so...

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  13. Abstract of Article by zoobaby · · Score: 3, Informative

    Since their server is almost dead, I managed to pull this off before /. effect kills it.

    Cybercrime's Scope: Interpreting "Access" and "Authorization" in Computer Misuse Statutes

    ORIN S. KERR
    George Washington University - Law School

    GWU Law School, Public Law Research Paper No. 65
    New York University Law Review, Vol. 78, November 2003

    Abstract:
    In the last twenty-five years, the federal government and all fifty states have enacted new criminal laws that prohibit unauthorized access to computers. These new laws attempt to draw a line between criminality and free conduct in cyberspace. No one knows what it means to "access" a computer, however, nor when access becomes "unauthorized." The few courts that have construed these terms have offered divergent interpretations, and no scholars have yet addressed the problem. Recent decisions interpreting the federal statute in civil cases suggest that any breach of contract with a computer owner renders use of that computer an unauthorized access. If applied to criminal cases, this approach would broadly criminalize contract law on the Internet, potentially making millions of Americans criminals for the way they write e-mail and surf the Web.

    This Article presents a comprehensive inquiry into the meaning of unauthorized access statutes. It begins by explaining why legislatures enacted unauthorized access statutes, and why early beliefs that such statutes solved the problem of computer misuse have proved remarkably naïve. Next, the Article explains how the courts have construed these statutes in an overly broad way that threatens to criminalize a surprising range of innocuous conduct involving computers. In the final section, the Article offers a normative proposal for interpreting "access" and "authorization." This section argues that courts should reject a contract theory of authorization, and should narrow the scope of unauthorized access statutes to circumvention of code-based restrictions on computer privileges. The section justifies this proposal on several grounds. First, the proposal will best mediate the line between securing privacy and protecting the liberty of Internet users. Second, the proposal mirrors criminal law's traditional treatment of crimes that contain a consent element. Third, the proposed approach is consistent with the basic theories of punishment. Fourth, the proposed interpretation avoids possible constitutional difficulties that may arise under the broader constructions that courts recently have favored.

    Keywords: cybercrime, computer crime, unauthorized access, code

    1. Re:Abstract of Article by Jezral · · Score: 1

      Dunno what connection you are on, but their server is doing fine...at any rate, what you have is the description of the article, not the article itself.

  14. Common sense... by Elvisisdead · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...dictates that it means that you're somewhere where you're not supposed to be. If you're not authorized (given permission, implicitly or otherwise), then don't access. Don't split hairs about the meaning of authorized or access. Usually, if you're attempting unauthorized access, you know it.

    I'll be interested to see how this plays legally with the hack-back technologies the RIAA and MPAA are currently developing/considering.

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    1. Re:Common sense... by inkedmn · · Score: 1

      If you're not authorized (given permission, implicitly or otherwise), then don't access.

      agreed. if you ask yourself "should i be doing this?", chances are you shouldn't.

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    2. Re:Common sense... by jonfelder · · Score: 1
      Things are not always this black and white.

      Have a look at what happened to Randall Schwartz and see if you still feel the same way.

    3. Re:Common sense... by zapp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It does seem to make sense that wya, but what if you got a virus that forces your computer to act as part of a node in an attack network. your computer actively intrudes... but you may not even know what's going on.

      Are you liable for allowing a virus on your computer?
      Is your Anti-Virus make liable for allowing your computer to have a virus, even though you have their protection software installed?
      Is the virus writer (if you can find him/her) liable since they wrote it?
      What if that virus was just an academic experiment that got out of control, with innocent intentions?

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    4. Re:Common sense... by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But there's a wide range of activities that educated computer users can argue about. Consider the debates that pop up regularly on Slashdot about the ethics of port scans, war driving, spam and so forth.

      Of course you're free to argue that Slashdot discussions aren't informed by "common sense".

      The root problem is that a lot of permission is implicit and is conditional on unwritten rules. The Bedouin did the same thing with water wells. Everybody knew that a well was property. Everybody knew that travelers were implicitly allowed to dip in one or two at a time. Everybody also knew that watering your entire flock at someone else's well would get you killed.

      The legal system may already have answers. After all, it's been resolving disputes for thousands of years. Trespass law has all sorts of concepts of notice and intent that could be used for computer law.

    5. Re:Common sense... by Blackbird01 · · Score: 1

      ...doesn't always apply. Especially when that "common" sense isn't too common. Sure, we could use current conventions if a person was literally prying into your machine with a screwdriver, but seeing as how the sercurity-circumvention race is still ongoing, how does one determine if the program I am using to protect my (personal) machine is still useful and/or valid in terms of protecting my machine? Joe user may not have the time to keep up or the knowledge, espcially if new cracks and cracking tools as well as security patches are being released on a (mostly) weekly basis... Of course, we all hope that the courts would understand and be able to figure it out, but frankly I don't think anyone really gets it all right now.

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    6. Re:Common sense... by Vainglorious+Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      Don't split hairs about the meaning of authorized or access

      Um, you haven't met many lawyers, then?

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    7. Re:Common sense... by Elvisisdead · · Score: 1

      The simple fact of the matter is that you're responsible for securing your computer. Now, I'm not saying that a person should be arrested or prosecuted if they get exploited and used as a node, but something should happen.

      Say you didn't lock your car doors and left the key in the ignition when someone stole it and ran it into a busload of Nuns and killed them all?

      Are you liable for not locking your car? No.

      Is GM liable, even though there were locks on the car? No.

      Is the the guy who stole the car with the simple intent of joyriding liable? Absolutely.

      You wouldn't be liable, but you'd sure feel like an arse for not securing the car.

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    8. Re:Common sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Usually, if you're attempting unauthorized access, you know it.

      Usually! You want to usually not punish the innocent. There's a huge gray area here. I admit, there's also a huge black area and huge white area, but the whole point of this article is the gray area. It needs to be a lot smaller.

    9. Re:Common sense... by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Not so cut and dry.

      Yahoo for instance doesn't really say "you specifically may use our email services". If I find your email server via google can I now use it?

      Also the "should I be doing this?" question comes down to what someone would rationally think.

      Generally I'd define "unauthorized access" as circumventing an open protocol. E.g. if I have an FTP open and you hack it to get more access that's unauthorized. However, if I have an open FTP [e.g. no password] and you steal all my files [say I work for some R&D company] than that's not unauthorized.

      If people are too stupid *not* to open themselves up to the outside world [e.g. setting up insecure FTP/HTTP/etc servers] than its their own damn fault when people who follow the protocols get access to stuff.

      Consider watering plants for a neighbour on vacation. You need access to their home so they give you a key. Suppose though they have a chest which is locked and they didn't give you a key. In this analogy walking into their home would be authorized but breaking the lock on the chest would be unauthorized.

      Now replace "walk into house" with "log into server" and "breaking the lock" with "exploiting a flaw" and you're talking digital.

      Tom

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    10. Re:Common sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Don't split hairs about the meaning of authorized or access


      Um, you haven't met many lawyers, then?

      Define "be".
      -- Bill Clinton

    11. Re:Common sense... by Elvisisdead · · Score: 1

      Thanks for posting that link. I read his story, and he admits that he made several mistakes. All I can say is that he really should have known better. I'll give you that he was acting with the best intentions of the company in mind, but copying both Oracle and system password files and then cracking them without anyone's knowledge! Come on. If I did that, I would be canned and have my clearance revoked.

      The moral of his story is make sure that someone alays knows what you're doing, especially if you're a contractor (there's the common sense part). In his case, he used to work with the people whose password files he copied. He could have just stopped by and given them an "FYI" about what he was doing and either gotten an OK or smacked. He got smacked, and frankly has a pretty good attitude about it.

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    12. Re:Common sense... by Elvisisdead · · Score: 1

      For the most part, I totally agree with you. It's up to me to secure my servers, workstations, etc. If I don't, then I deserve whatever happens.

      I would suggest modifying your example by removing the "neighbour" part, and they didn't give you a key. Say it's a random house you just walked by, or one you heard about while hanging out in a coffee shop, or one you found on a map. You walk up to the house, and discover that there are no locks on the doors. Either it wasn't designed with them, or the owner decided not to install them (or didn't know about locks until a security company told him). It would not be ethical or responsible to go in and look around just because you could. You know you shouldn't be there, but I agree that all people wouldn't think that way.

      However, it's the owner's problem when the neighbourhood kids walk in and trash the place. Once they get into the house, you can bet they'll find the chest and try to open it, too.

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    13. Re:Common sense... by GlassHeart · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If you're not authorized (given permission, implicitly or otherwise), then don't access.

      What constitutes "implicit permission"? Is an open port 80 and a responsible HTTP server evidence of "implicit permission", until the web page asks for a password? How would I get to that page (and realize that my access is explicitly prohibited because I don't have a password) without "accessing"?

      Don't split hairs about the meaning of authorized or access. Usually, if you're attempting unauthorized access, you know it.

      That's not the problem. The problem is when somebody else thinks your accessing without authorization, and sues or arrests you. What if cnn.com suddenly switched to a pay model, and defined a HTTP GET from a non-paying customer as "unauthorized access"?

      Somebody brought it up as a joke, but the act of slashdotting a server is similar in result as a DDoS attack, but only one should be illegal and punishable. That's the result of "splitting hairs".

    14. Re:Common sense... by jonfelder · · Score: 1

      Exactly, he felt he was working in the best interest of his client. He was not being malicious and I don't believe he thought he was crossing the line.

      I don't question that he couldn't have handled the situation better. I question whether or not he deserved what he got. Many other people do too.

    15. Re:Common sense... by tez_h · · Score: 1

      As others have vaguely pointed out, common sense as applied to certain fields of interest or endeavour really means the sensibilities of the totality of those familiar with that field. Thus, common sense really refers to the expertise and experience of networking engineers, security analysts etc, etc. Not as commom as the term common sense might first suggest.

      Further, legal inquiries usually comprise of putting forward evidentially backed points to the court. What constitutes jurisprudentially valid evidence? There are also questions of degree and punishment.

      Of course, all of this is (arguably) a result of an already complicated, hair-splitting judicial system. But these are the constraints that have to be worked with.

      Terms like 'common sense' are easily abused. To quote your post, you say,
      "If you're not authorized (given permission, implicitly or otherwise), then don't access."
      You use 'authorized' nonchalantly, but immediately qualify it with 'given permission, implicitly or otherwise'. Doesn't that already sound slightly pedantic and legalistic? What constitutes implicit permission? I think that last question needs particular attention.

      -Tez

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    16. Re:Common sense... by Above · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's almost that simple...but let's use a real world example.

      You go to a business on a tuesday at 3PM. You try their door and find it locked. Turns out they are closed on tuesdays. Is it unauthorized access? I think not.

      Now, you go to the same business on the same tuesday at 3PM. They are still closed, but forgot to lock their door. You walk right in, realize something is funny, and leave without taking anything. Is it unauthorized access? Maybe.

      Finally, you go to the same business on Sunday night at 3AM, and poke at the door until it opens for you. Unauthorized access, yep.

      You see, in the real world your /intent/ matters, often more than your actions. Don't intend to murder someone but you do, not such a big thing. Intend to murder someone but don't, a much bigger deal. Unfortunately intent is not understood very well when it comes to cyber crimes. The law can't tell the difference between someone just checking if the door is closed because they legitimately wanted to access something, and someone trying to find the back door into the place. These standards will, for better or for worse always vairy from person to person, location to location. Try a door in East Nowhere Iowa and you're probably a good guy, try a door in Harlem and you must be a crook.

    17. Re:Common sense... by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

      and $68k of restitution to Intel.

      68k...coincedence? I think not!

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    18. Re:Common sense... by denissmith · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, as someone above pointed out, even an implicitly permitted action, like opening a pop-up window could be argued as an unauthorised "intrusion". Of course it would be unlikely to be outlawed by a court because too many commercial interests would be jeopardized. The old days, where what was not explicitly denied was permitted, are over, and the main problem is that poorly written laws ( laws that apply the notion of trespass to virtual space) and a generally poor conception of ownership are meeting in a social climate that is increasingly draconian in outlook. The US has always been a place where people sue each other, which is actually a good and healthy thing - but we are becoming a place that imprisons people, in increasing numbers and for increasing lengths of time. When the issue is no longer one of suing you for damages, but having the government round you up and treat you like a criminal ( a la Mitnick or Skylarov) then we have criminalized excessively. Where we draw the criminal line is the key question,, and we blew past that line a long time ago, and are increasingly criminalizing behavior that is annoying, or even beneficial.

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    19. Re:Common sense... by nolife · · Score: 1

      Breaking a lock is one thing, what about browsing around? Say I went directly to http://company.com/r_and_d/not_released_yet/produc ts and find a companies up and coming new product. I did not break any access rules. The company did not have any direct links to the data but it was on a public web site.

      Another example is browsing someones image directory directly. If they did not have an index.html file in there, you get a directory listing. More often then not you will find images in there that are not directly linked and the maintainer probably does not want you to see. Search Google for all of these together:

      Index images parent last modified size description

      and look how many people have open image directories, throw a non general word in there like Cindy, vacation, webcam, myself, etc and you can narrow it down.

      I wonder if this would be considered illegal access..

      Another one that I know would be touchy is people with open file shares. I have not done this in a while but a few years ago as broadband was just picking and cheap home routers were not available, you could find at least 15 computers with shares open scanning a subnet of 255, of those 15, 5 had no password at all. You can connect to c:\My/ Documents and see and/or delete everything. Sharing out a drive is not automatic, someone had to bind TCP/IP to the Microsoft FAPS client, share out the drive with FULL access, and NOT give it a password. You connect with normal file and print sharing tools like smbclient with no password and browse what they have. At some point the owner of that shared computer has to take the responsibility for their action of not knowing what they were doing and chalk it up a lesson learned.

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    20. Re:Common sense... by jroysdon · · Score: 1

      If I connect to any give IP address on port 80 with my browser, is that somewhere I'm not supposed to be?

      What about deep link guessing?

      What about other ports, like 21 for ftp?

      These are standard ports with protocols assigned to them. If you have a system listening on them, and a standard anonymous/guess account login works, isn't that authorized access?

      There is a lot of grey area here. I like to use the example of Main St. If there are a row of shops (some converted houses, etc. are often turned into shops in older towns around here), and there is a house in the middle without a sign, but it looks like it has stuff for sale, but no gate or "keep out" sign, is it illegal to go up to the door and knock and see if someone is there and if it is a store?

      What if it is a store, but no one is there? What if it was a store, but is no longer? What authorizes you to be in there (vs. if it was a private home and not a store)?

      To me, that is a matter of common sense. You put up a "keep out" or "private property" sign, or a gate, or both, or don't expect people not to come knocking as you're on Main St in the middle of the street with other stores. That's the internet, like it or not. Connect a PC up and give it an ip address, and you're a shop open for business. Unless you put up a sign stating "keep out" or have a lock or gate to tell people to stay away, the assumpting is that it is a public resource, especially if common ports like ftp tcp/21 or http tcp/80 are listening and serving up content.

    21. Re:Common sense... by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      You missed my point I think. My point is by providing a service [or explicit access] such as a HTTP server [or a neighbours key] you're expliciting granting reasonable access.

      In the case of a HTTP server by being open to the public you are saying "you may access the server within the scope of a valid HTTP session". If the person didn't want that they would either not run a server or password protect it.

      If on the otherhand you exploit a flaw and go outside a valid HTTP session then that would be unauthorized access.

      As per another comment... While I agree everyone should patch up their servers I don't agree tjat the burden is on the server admin to make sure they are not broken into. Just because a flaw exists does not give you permission to exploit it.

      Tom

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    22. Re:Common sense... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      "The law can't tell the difference between someone just checking if the door is closed because they legitimately wanted to access something, and someone trying to find the back door into the place."

      Not to mention tripping over the back door by accident, and not realising it WAS a back door til you've wandered around a bit. Easy enough to do with an unprotected FTP server -- do a search for usefuloldutil.zip, locate a copy, go to ftp server, download it, look at parent directory to see if usefulrelatedutil.zip might be there too.. ooops, lookie all the private files!!

      In real life, rather like walking into an office complex with unlabeled doors, thinking you know where you're going, and suddenly finding yourself looking into someone's private office.

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    23. Re:Common sense... by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Again your example plays into my view on it. By running an HTTP server without password authentication you are saying that people may make HTTP connections.

      Its like if McDonalds left the formula for the secret sauce on a table in plain view in the restaurant. By the protocol of business you are allowed in the restaurant.

      To clarify my line of thinking...

      If you follow the standard protocol [whether HTTP, FTP or guidelines for watering plants] than it cannot be unauthorized access since you are willingly serving them.

      However, if you have to break the standard [e.g. exploit a flaw, break a lock, etc.] then that's quite obviously unauthorized. This "they should have patched" retort is not an excuse.

      Tom

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    24. Re:Common sense... by nolife · · Score: 1

      I understand you, my reply was not specifically to you. I was trying to bring up more points similar to yours.

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    25. Re:Common sense... by Elvisisdead · · Score: 1

      My statement perhaps should have been modified to carry some background information. A large percentage of the work I've done in my career has been for the US government in both civilian and military agencies. In those environments, it works more like a whitelist. You don't have access to anything and are then whitelisted as the situation necessitates. The culture where I've been has dictated that you don't attempt to access systems that you know you haven't been whitelisted for. I was suggesting a similar mentality. That's SOP and common sense for us. Maybe I was too liberal in my assumption that everyone could internalize that and operate that way.

      I do agree that some rules of evidence should be set, but the place for that is in case law.

      The terms I use have meaning to me in my environment. Authorized means that you've gone through some sort of procedure to become that way. Use of the term authorized and then describing what I consider it to mean is not pedantic. The use was not nonchalant, as it has specific meaning to me.

      implicit means not formally stated, but also means without doubt. Consider the second meaning and re-read the post.

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    26. Re:Common sense... by Elvisisdead · · Score: 1

      *Try* a door anywhere and you're fine. When you walk in, it's trespassing. It doesn't matter that you did/didn't take anything. The fact that you're in the building without the owner's permission makes it illegal, regardless of the intent. It's up to the owner of the building to decide not to press charges once you get caught.

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    27. Re:Common sense... by Elvisisdead · · Score: 1

      Totally agreed. My point (albeit on a much higher level than I originally made) was that people inherently know what's wrong. It's just that a lot of times they push their conscience to the side and take the attitude that, "I know it's wrong, but I can do it until someone tells me it's wrong and makes me stop". Unfortunately, America is also the home of the weasel that will put more effort into evading consequences rather than considering actions before they are undertaken.

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      "Want in one hand and spit in the other and see which one fills up first." - My Dad
    28. Re:Common sense... by Elvisisdead · · Score: 1

      True. I think Intel absolutely freaked when they found out what he was up to. They started the "what if" cycle, and decided they needed to tack his hide to the fence post as a warning to others who might not be acting in the company's best interests. It's just unfortunate for him that he was the one that was made an example of.

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  15. RIAA is unauthorized ... unless licensed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    If RIAA comes looking for the MP3's that aren't on my computer and in the process even look at a single byte of the copyrighted data on my hard drive, that is unauthorized. BTW, that data is available under perfectly reasonable license terms. I charge $1/Kb. I have 2 80Gb drives. The $160,000,000 is payable in advance, thank you.

    1. Re:RIAA is unauthorized ... unless licensed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good God you're sad. You're like one of those twats who put on the end of their email that spamming them costs $5 a message.

      Why do you think this is legally enforeable in any way at all?

      I have a masters in law, and I can tell you that you are just wasting keystrokes with that kind of rubbish.

    2. Re:RIAA is unauthorized ... unless licensed by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      I charge $1/Kb.

      Wow, that is low. Why not $1 / BIT! then that 160 gigs would cost just $640 BILLION!!!!!!!
      then, you would be protected from a search.

      until, the RIAA frames you for something and the government searches you...

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    3. Re:RIAA is unauthorized ... unless licensed by kristoferkarlsson · · Score: 2, Funny

      And 640 billion should be enough for anybody.

    4. Re:RIAA is unauthorized ... unless licensed by ePhil_One · · Score: 3, Interesting
      If RIAA comes looking for the MP3's that aren't on my computer and in the process even look at a single byte of the copyrighted data on my hard drive, that is unauthorized.

      Unfortunately I see this drivel from time to time. If you have your entire hard drive available via your web server, kazaa, CIFS, or any other non-password protected (that is reasonably secure, as in, not posted to alt.hacks.cracks.warez.porn) you have effectively granted permission to the world to view it for free. You can't arbitrarily decide group A can't read it without charge, anymore than you could walk down the street with a sign saying anyone who reads this notice owes me $100.

      Now, if the RIAA were to hack into your computer an access data, that would be another thing, though stupid claims about your data being worth $1/kb (Not even Oracle costs that much) will label you as an idiot for the court.

      Someone will be by to bitch-slap you later. Be expecting them.

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    5. Re:RIAA is unauthorized ... unless licensed by broter · · Score: 1

      And 640 billion should be enough for anybody.

      Yeah, any more and we would be talking about "real money." :)

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    6. Re:RIAA is unauthorized ... unless licensed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I have a masters in law, and I can tell you that you are just wasting keystrokes with that kind of rubbish.

      Microsoft and other proprietary software companies try to do the same thing, with amusing explanations that people are bound to unusual terms, after the fact of purchase. They don't seem to think it's a waste of time, and it's really the same thing.

      By replying to this message, you agree to pay me $5. If you do not agree to these terms, you can exit your web browser with no obligation.

    7. Re:RIAA is unauthorized ... unless licensed by falsified · · Score: 1
      Alright, I'll be a jackass and do it.

      "There are 1024 kb per megabyte and 1024 mb per gigabyte! God yew are such a l000zzerrrrrr!!! M$ SUXXS!"

      No, this was not flamebait. I merely did this so that someone that honestly MEANS to be this hardassed gets discouraged.

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    8. Re:RIAA is unauthorized ... unless licensed by slimme · · Score: 1

      If you got copyrighted material (something you wrote, created, ...), then you can choose who can use your material and how. You may insert a copyright notice forbidding the RIAA to view your material or pay a fee of 1$/Kb. You might even ask for 10$/Kb. Just make sure they have to agree to the agreement before seeing your material.

      Copyright laws are there to defend people who create copyrighted material.

    9. Re:RIAA is unauthorized ... unless licensed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just make sure they have to agree to the agreement before seeing your material.


      ANyone make a Kazaa-alike that requires the downloader to click-thru a User Agreement before downloading? This could be added to that.

    10. Re:RIAA is unauthorized ... unless licensed by ePhil_One · · Score: 1
      If you got copyrighted material (something you wrote, created, ...), then you can choose who can use your material and how. You may insert a copyright notice forbidding the RIAA to view your material or pay a fee of 1$/Kb. You might even ask for 10$/Kb. Just make sure they have to agree to the agreement before seeing your material.

      Ah, so all the has to do to protect their plans to is include a click-thru page that says " or other enforcement agencies must pay a 1 billion dollar license fee to read the material access by clicking here. Right thinking individuals are free to access it"

      Bullshit. This is not the purpose of copyright laws.

      Copyright laws exist to protect creators from unauthorized use of their materials, not to act as an access control for who may read it once it is made public (which posting to a publicly accessable web page (or Kazaa, OpenNapster, or any other internet service) is.

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    11. Re:RIAA is unauthorized ... unless licensed by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      Now, if the RIAA were to hack into your computer an access data, that would be another thing, though stupid claims about your data being worth $1/kb (Not even Oracle costs that much) will label you as an idiot for the court.

      The RIAA seemed to get away with it.

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  16. Oh wait by Kickstart70 · · Score: 1
    Did I just unauthorized access ./?

    :O

    1. Re:Oh wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell is ./ ??

  17. Definition of illegal access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From a federal law perspective, "access" becomes illegal if use of the system exceeds $5K (say in CPU cycles), OR if ANY copying of information or information altering is done. Take a screen snapshot - illegal. Modify a system log to cover your tracks - illegal. Under federal law, "simple trespass" is not in itself illegal.

    HOWEVER, many states have local statutes making simple trespass illegal.

    Furthermore, if a SysAdmin notices someone unauthorized has been on the system, and their time and resources investigating the access exceeds $5K, you've hit the federal legal limit.

    Vic Vandal

    1. Re:Definition of illegal access by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      As soon as a connection is made, it's likely a log file entry will be made, hence data has been changed.

      As soon as there is the slightest possibility that any data has been changed/compromised on the server, the entire cost of installing the whole system from verifiable distribution media becomes a cost. On most systems of any importance that will reach right up there and over the $5K limit.

    2. Re:Definition of illegal access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Furthermore, if a SysAdmin notices someone unauthorized has been on the system, and their time and resources investigating the access exceeds $5K, you've hit the federal legal limit.

      This is exactly at the heart of the problem -- the severity of the crime can be determined almost entirely by the "victim". If he blows it off after checking logs, nearly no damage is done. If he decides to routinely call in a team of $600/hr each consultants, he drives the accessor's alleged "damages" over the limit. This is considered routine practice in many places, because the number is required to get law enforcement's attention. Consequently, exactly the same action can go from misdemeanor to felony based solely on what the "victim" chooses to do about it.


      Conversely, if the **AA hacks your system, you have nearly no way to claim damages that would even get your call returned by the police. Real equitable, huh?

    3. Re:Definition of illegal access by broter · · Score: 1

      ...OR if ANY copying of information...is done.

      There in lies one of the many thorns in this issue. Almost every type of access incolves the copying of information, from motd to default setups. Even if you only limit it to "important information", you still leave most access at the mercy of the victim to define the value of the information (as a sibling post mentions). Ref. Bell lab's value of their documents in the old Phrack case, the various victims claiming thier code is worth $billions in the various mitnick cases.

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    4. Re:Definition of illegal access by efuseekay · · Score: 1

      take a screen snapshot - illegal.

      Hmmm, then some anti-cheating software for Online games such as Punkbuster for Q3A has a screenshot grab function (to detect wallhacks) makes it illegal?

      I didn't know I was commiting a crime! Honest!

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  18. Internet Access Policies by Deadite · · Score: 0

    Isn't just the act of touching the computer accessing it. I work for a company that doesn't want us to do anything known work related on computer. I can't even check my email or check our the weather or the news. I think some policies about computer access in corporate america are bull. If they have people who surf porn they should fire them not punish everyone else by banning general surfing.

  19. Linky Linky for PDF file... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    For all the kiddies who cant access the pdf file:

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID39 9740_code030507630.pdf?abstractid=399740

    Enjoy! :)

  20. Re:Article text: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    hmm... I don't think you were supposed to download Matrix 2. please expect our agents to arrive shortly.

  21. This working for others? by Otter · · Score: 1
    I tried to download and to mail the paper in MacOS 9 with IE. No luck -- the same page kept opening regardless of what link was clicked. Switched computers, had the same issue in OS X with Mozilla and IE.

    Any Mac users getting it to work? For that matter, has anyone gotten it to work? None of the comments suggest that the poster has read the whole thing, not that's necessarily unusual.

    1. Re:This working for others? by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 1

      I got it just fine (OS X/Safari), and I read a portion of it.

    2. Re:This working for others? by Otter · · Score: 1
      Oh yeah, Safari.

      Yup, that works perfectly! Score one for KDE; zero for Microsoft and Netscape.

  22. Watch those caveats! by DogIsMyCoprocessor · · Score: 1
    It's long, but interesting and he's looking for feedback.

    .. thereby guaranteeing that every slacker like me is going to post with R'ing the F'ing A.

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  23. Good ol' days by ergonal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Remember when the Internet was about sharing? These days some people would have you believe that any packet you receive is "unauthorised access". You probed me, unauthorised access. You visited my website, unauthorised access. You sent me an instant message, unauthorised access. This really needs to play out in the courts before any precedent is set for what is or is not "unauthorised access". (replace the s in unauthorised with z if you're American :P)

    1. Re:Good ol' days by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

      Yes, but is was also about behaving yourself and having ethics. Not spamming.

    2. Re:Good ol' days by Fiver-rah · · Score: 4, Insightful
      But this isn't how things work. When a case comes up, and people ask "is this authorized?" the judge isn't going to sit there and decide on his or her own with no input at all from legal scholars. What's going to happen is that the judge (or, more likely, the judge's clerks) will query Lexis or Westlaw or something like that, and see what else has been written. The judgement that sets the precedent will most likely cite an immense body of legal work, possibly including this article.

      Thinking about how to deal with hairy situations before they go to the court room is not a bad idea.

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    3. Re:Good ol' days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Those were great days. We'd get probed maybe once a month. Anyone who did send a probe would get a good talking to and they would stop. These days I get probed about once a seconds and no one cares.

      By probed I mean searching for a known security hole.

    4. Re:Good ol' days by Obfuscant · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Remember when the Internet was about sharing?

      Yep. And I remember when the Internet was about 1000 sites big, and if someone was using more of your resources than you wanted them to, you would ask them to stop and they actually would. And those who did use your resources might actually have something they would share in return.

      Now it's millions of script kiddies and people with nothing but their hands out demanding more of whatever it is you have, telling you to either allow them access to everything they want as much as they want or get the hell off the net because 'the net is about sharing' (not that they've done any sharing themselves).

      Or they're "probing" you, trying to find any means they can to get around the access controls you have put on your systems, thinking that if it's on the net, it's theirs for the taking.

      Here's a story. Once upon a time, I had a web server, using freeware, that provided tide predictions. It took about 30 seconds to calculate each page. Along came a spider which happily followed the "next day" and "next month" links, asking for tide predictions -- every 15 seconds. You do the math. Can you say "100% CPU" and "wasted cycles"? The response from the indexer running this abusive spider was "it's on the net, we have the right to access it."

      Yeah, I remember the good old days.

    5. Re:Good ol' days by ip_vjl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree the spider owner was a wank ... but this is human nature.

      This is the exact reason we have things like traffic lights. Unfortunately, people just can't be trusted to act responsibly (in some situations) on their own.

      So you are right, they were being stupid ... but the fact that you opened it up for people to hit means that you're going to get your share of jerks who won't play by the rules and you need to account for that.

    6. Re:Good ol' days by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      An somewhat offtopic aside about traffic lights:

      I've always known that the reason for traffic lights is, as you say, since people won't play nice and we need something to make them do so. You see it ALL the time on the road, people that act as if they are the only one that matters.

      So one time I'm driving through Phoenix, which like any large city has lots of bad, agressive, drivers, and I come to a stop light that isn't functioning. There is no cop there yet or anything. Amazingly, traffic continues to proceed normally. One way goes for a bit, stops, peopel do left turns, the other way starts up, stops, people do left turns, and so on. I'd never seen anything like it, I would have figured something like that to lead to a big accident in a short amount of time, but everyone there seemed to be able to cooperate.

      Pity it can't always be like that.

    7. Re:Good ol' days by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      So one time I'm driving through Phoenix, which like any large city has lots of bad, agressive, drivers, and I come to a stop light that isn't functioning. There is no cop there yet or anything. Amazingly, traffic continues to proceed normally. One way goes for a bit, stops, peopel do left turns, the other way starts up, stops, people do left turns, and so on. I'd never seen anything like it, I would have figured something like that to lead to a big accident in a short amount of time, but everyone there seemed to be able to cooperate.

      I lived in Phoenix for 4 years, and I really have a hard time imagining that it would go that smoothly, considering what maniacs Phoenix drivers are. Do you happen to remember where this particular intersection was?

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    8. Re:Good ol' days by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      Let's see it was 51 and either Shae or Cactus. Most amazing thing I've ever seen, espically it being Phoenix. I called it in to the DoT, but when I drove away it was still going fine.

    9. Re:Good ol' days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It only takes a few good drivers that are willing to concede right of way for the traffic to flow.
      (since if they stop car behind them have to stop too :) Traffic light are the DoT's attempt at
      optimising the traffic flow.

    10. Re:Good ol' days by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Isn't there some way to trap and ban spiders? I've seen sites that claimed they'd do so, but don't know what they did or how/if it worked.

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  24. Length?? by bathmatt · · Score: 5, Funny
    It's long, but interesting and he's looking for feedback.

    Since when does an articles length matter?? Nobody reads them anyway, this is /. :)

    1. Re:Length?? by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's long, but interesting and he's looking for feedback.

      Just say those words out loud to random people. Trust me, it's fun.

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    2. Re:Length?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Women prefer girth anyway. >:)

  25. Actually rather good by Random+BedHead+Ed · · Score: 1

    This has nothing to do with the /. article, but makes good reading nonetheless.

  26. How about if it's password protected? by LordNimon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about declaring that if access requires the user to specify a password, and the user is not "authorized" to know the password, then that access is not authorized. If no password is required, then there's no way the access can be unauthorized.

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    1. Re:How about if it's password protected? by Jack+Porter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is a naive suggestion.

      What about exploiting buffer overflows on an HTTP or DNS server - no password was ever requested, but it gave you a root shell because there was a flaw in the software after you gave it a specially formulated request. Does that make your rootshell access authorized?

      There are plenty of other cases where needing a password doesn't cut it as a definition of "authorized access".

    2. Re:How about if it's password protected? by phorm · · Score: 1

      How about "circumventing the authenticating methodology" to access data that would normally be protected.

      E.G. If I run a site w/o a public password, and a hacker bypasses my password, the site was still passworded, so you weren't authorized...

    3. Re:How about if it's password protected? by Kallahar · · Score: 1

      Good point, similar to WEP in my opinion. Sure, WEP can be broken, but having your AP encrypted is like putting a big "NO TRESPASSING" sign up. Anyone who breaks in could definately not have done it accidentally.

      Kallahar

    4. Re:How about if it's password protected? by zogger · · Score: 1

      --sending a long obviously ill meaning string of packets is not a normal challenge/accept for http or dns access. And there's an easy analogy. If I walk to someone's door and knock, and wait for an answer, that is a normal understandable challenge/response. the person inside can answer the door, agree or not agree to converse or allow me in. that's as far as anyone may legally go. If I walk up to the door with a sledge hammer and mash it on the lock and the door swings in, it is not. Sending something that causes a buffer overflow that allows access is clearly breaking, then entering. Sending the malformed packets is swinging the sledgehammer.

    5. Re:How about if it's password protected? by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The way I see "granting access" is that the person must 1st be authenticated, ie identified as "themselves" and then authorized.

      To get a shell on any of my systems, you must first authenticate youself with your userid and then your password or key with authorize you access. The buffer overflow does neither. Also if a user shares an account and knows a password, this is fraudently authenticating themselves even though they pass the authorization step.

    6. Re:How about if it's password protected? by Jack+Porter · · Score: 1

      So how does the request
      A) GET / HTTP/1.1

      differ from the request
      B) GET /scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.1

      with respect to "identifing yourself"? They both provide the same amount of identity information (an IP address), but I'd argue that A) is authorized and B) is unauthorized.

    7. Re:How about if it's password protected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I realize you were arguing another point (which I agree with), but your example doesn't have anything to do with authorization at all.

      A) may be without [malicious] intent, whereas b) may be with [malicious] intent.

      Not only is may==> subjective but all this sheds no light on whether it's authorized or not. IANAL and won't attempt a stand on how the two concepts interrelate and are wieghed in court,but I'd bet it's no coincidence that the paper is deals with autorization first and intent second.

      Just for fun then, let's look at intent. Consider C), which is B) without obfuscation

      GET /scripts/../../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.1

      It certainly looks less sneaky, but is still far from proof of intent (or lack thereof).
      So what you say - it's really not obfuscation that matters here - cmd.exe is just plain wrong, anybody doing that is up to no good. On the face of it, perhaps. Not if your'e the sysadmin troubleshooting your own box. Obviously, the sysadmin isn't going to charge himself with a crime, but that's not the point either.

      What is the difference between accessing the directory listing via the above cmd.exe output or a cgi-script /scripts/cmddir.cgi that does the same thing? Same info output, different method.

      Would one argue that the only approved method is the cgi-script? Even if that was a sound argument, is there a no harm, no foul aspect? And if the directory traversal 'workaround' is technically valid URL, how is one supposed to make a clear judgement based on encoding - you could be a user having no knowledge of how a programmer implemented the function of File | NiftyFunction.

      Besides which, if you didn't know IIS was broken in regards to double eval/ACL is that OK? If it isn't, then the eventual law would have to more or less specify that certain encodings are not allowed for certain servers, possibly putting the onus on the requestor to find out. Going down that fun road leads us to info/banner-grabbing-ville, effectively sanctioning the activity. Conversely, if you didn't implement a way for a requestor to find out what you allowed, you could find yourself unprotected by the law. Don't shoot me now - all this is contrived, when I see four or five variants on B) in my logs it's prety clear to mee that it's no random URL and what someone is up to,

      But is it technically/legally a crime, and if so, how big is it?

      It's why not one of those logs get sent to the authorities, much less result in an indictment, and the basis for the paper/discussion.

    8. Re:How about if it's password protected? by p3d0 · · Score: 1

      Smells like the DMCA to me.

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  27. Defenitions by WegianWarrior · · Score: 3, Informative

    Interesting.. I thought I knew what those words meant until I started thinking about it... but that won't stop me from giving it a stab:

    unauthorized: Exposure of information / access to systems to / by individuals not authorized to receive it / access the system.

    access: 1. The ability and means necessary to store data in, to retrieve data from, to communicate with, or to make use of any resource of a system. 2. To obtain the use of a resource. 3. [The] capability and opportunity to gain detailed knowledge of or to alter information or material. 4. [The] ability and means to communicate with (i.e. , input to or receive output from), or otherwise make use of any information, resource, or component in an AIS. Note [for 3 and 4]: An individual does not have "access" if the proper authority or a physical, technical, or procedural measure prevents him/her from obtaining knowledge or having an opportunity to alter information, material, resources, or components. 5. An assigned portion of system resources for one data stream of user communications or signaling.

    Thanks to google and Federal Standard 1037C.

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    1. Re:Defenitions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why don't they do it the same way as with cars.... if u leave yours unsecured (ie. left the key in it) u have to pay for anything that somebody does with it....

    2. Re:Defenitions by gobbligook · · Score: 2, Informative

      unauthorized: Exposure of information / access to systems to / by individuals not authorized to receive it / access the system

      You must not define a word using that word.

      unauthorized and not authorized are the same thing. Not permitted, not legally allowed, without permission to; those all would be good choices and much better than not authorized. So wherever you got this definition from, it is meaningless.

  28. Stay out of the bedroom..... by PS-SCUD · · Score: 2, Funny

    Logging onto the internet is sort of like putting your house in the middle of a city, with all the doors and windows open, then letting random strangers walk through your house, along with the people you "want" to walk through your house. Your gonna have a hard time keeping people out of your bed room........

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    1. Re:Stay out of the bedroom..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdotters won't have much trouble keeping girls out of their bedrooms, no matter the locale. :P

    2. Re:Stay out of the bedroom..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, YOU would probably have problems getting them into your bedroom in the first place :P
      this is /., remember? ;)

  29. Non Karma-Whore Mirror of Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cybercrime's Scope: Interpreting "Access" and "Authorization" in Computer Misuse Statutes

    ORIN S. KERR
    George Washington University - Law School

    GWU Law School, Public Law Research Paper No. 65
    New York University Law Review, Vol. 78, November 2003

    Abstract:
    In the last twenty-five years, the federal government and all fifty states have enacted new criminal laws that prohibit unauthorized access to computers. These new laws attempt to draw a line between criminality and free conduct in cyberspace. No one knows what it means to "access" a computer, however, nor when access becomes "unauthorized." The few courts that have construed these terms have offered divergent interpretations, and no scholars have yet addressed the problem. Recent decisions interpreting the federal statute in civil cases suggest that any breach of contract with a computer owner renders use of that computer an unauthorized access. If applied to criminal cases, this approach would broadly criminalize contract law on the Internet, potentially making millions of Americans criminals for the way they write e-mail and surf the Web.

    This Article presents a comprehensive inquiry into the meaning of unauthorized access statutes. It begins by explaining why legislatures enacted unauthorized access statutes, and why early beliefs that such statutes solved the problem of computer misuse have proved remarkably naïve. Next, the Article explains how the courts have construed these statutes in an overly broad way that threatens to criminalize a surprising range of innocuous conduct involving computers. In the final section, the Article offers a normative proposal for interpreting "access" and "authorization." This section argues that courts should reject a contract theory of authorization, and should narrow the scope of unauthorized access statutes to circumvention of code-based restrictions on computer privileges. The section justifies this proposal on several grounds. First, the proposal will best mediate the line between securing privacy and protecting the liberty of Internet users. Second, the proposal mirrors criminal law's traditional treatment of crimes that contain a consent element. Third, the proposed approach is consistent with the basic theories of punishment. Fourth, the proposed interpretation avoids possible constitutional difficulties that may arise under the broader constructions that courts recently have favored.

    Keywords: cybercrime, computer crime, unauthorized access, code

  30. Verbing wierds language by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 2, Funny

    Access is a noun. Hence one can perform an act which becomes illegal access, one can grant or revoke access, but one cannot access something anymore than one can plane, car, or fireplug.

    Of course, bitching on /. about grammar is about as pointless as crying "Dupe"
    But what the hell, I do that too.

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    1. Re:Verbing wierds language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/wierd/weird/ ? *wink*

    2. Re:Verbing wierds language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yah - so accessing is a noun? uhuh whatever

    3. Re:Verbing wierds language by Abm0raz · · Score: 1
      If you are going to troll, at least know what you are talking about ...


      tr.v. accessed, accessing, accesses

      1. To obtain access to, especially by computer:
      2. used a browser to access a website; accessed her bank account online.


      thank you dictionary.com

      -Ab

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    4. Re:Verbing wierds language by hazem · · Score: 1

      Webster's dictionary says it is both a noun and verb:

      access

      n 1: the right to enter [syn: entree, admittance] 2: the right to obtain or make use of or take advantage of something (as services or membership) 3: a way of entering or leaving; "he took a wrong turn on the access to the bridge" [syn: approach] 4: (computer science) the operation of reading or writing stored information [syn: memory access] 5: the act of approaching or entering; "he gained access to the builidng" v 1: obtain or retrieve from a storage device; as of information on a computer 2: reach or gain access to [syn: get at]

    5. Re:Verbing wierds language by krlynch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course, you could look in a real dictionary, like the OED, and see what they have to say. And they say that access as a verb can be traced back to at least 1962, in a comp sci context no less:

      access, v. 1. trans. a. To gain access to (data, etc., held in a computer or computer-based system, or the system itself).

      1962 A. M. ANGEL in M. C. Yovits Large-Capacity Memory Techniques for Computing Systems 150 Through a system of binary-coded addresses notched into each card, a particular card may be accessed for read and write operations.

    6. Re:Verbing wierds language by JonnyElvis42 · · Score: 1

      Access is a noun. Hence one can perform an act which becomes illegal access, one can grant or revoke access, but one cannot access something anymore than one can plane, car, or fireplug.

      Hmm... Take a look at this and go to where it says "access[2,transitive verb]"

      Of course, bitching on /. about grammar is about as pointless as crying "Dupe"
      But what the hell, I do that too.


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      Ok, not duplicated yet.

  31. Don't support Karma Whores by dsanfte · · Score: 0

    Just don't support Karma Whores, mod up the AC post instead.

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    1. Re:Don't support Karma Whores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an interesting sign of just how whacked the Slashdot "community" is that an attempt to be helpful draws opprobrium, and must be carried out anonymously at all.

      It would be kind of interesting to extend this ethic further. Let's abuse Linus Torvalds for being a karma whore. Why else would anyone contribute to open source software? All CVS access should be through anonymous and untraceable user IDs. And so on.

  32. 70+ pages? by xdroop · · Score: 2
    Nobody is going to read this before posting.

    I sure didn't.

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    1. Re:70+ pages? by prestidigital · · Score: 1

      I second that! I guess it's good that Slashdot is trying to raise awareness, though.

    2. Re:70+ pages? by lylum · · Score: 1

      I agree.... they could have at least mentioned that there is also an abstract which is not even a page long.

    3. Re:70+ pages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worse, if you do read it and post, no one will see it.

    4. Re:70+ pages? by dze · · Score: 1

      And how is that any different than other articles?!

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  33. Interesting consequences by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Near the end (I started at about page 50), he states that accessing a computer "without authorization" should only be considered true in cases where a cracker has circumvented code-based restrictions, not contract-based restrictions. Part of me things this is a great idea conceptually, but part of me is worried about the implications it would have for the vast majority of home computer users.

    By saying that only when you break code-based restrictions are you committing unauthorized access, this puts the responsiblity on the user to secure their box. For most /.'ers, this is already a given. Be it with firewalls, NIDS, or whatnot, I'm sure everyone on here is doing something to make sure that people aren't getting access to your system. I think of one of the best points he makes is that as long as you implement code that is intended to stop malicious attacks, that is enough legally to build your case. I'm sure many average users have misconfigured firewalls or something that would allow someone knowledgeable to crack their machine. I'm sure there are stupid sysadmins out there who have unsecure networks. While I don't think this excuses you from not keeping up to date, patching, etc., I think it is a good step to take.

    My biggest worry is that the definition of code-based restrictions could be misconstrued. Say for example you lock down everything except Apache/IIS running on port 80. Since both these two have had security exploits in the past (not trying to start a holy war here), what happens if someone exploits your webserver to gain more access? Obviously you have given access to the webserver on port 80. If one of the "features" of the webserver is a buffer exploit, would it still be considered circumventing a code-based restriction to exploit it? I think most here would agree that it is, but as we all have seen, most judges are not your averager /.'er and make rulings that seem ignorant of the technologies.

    1. Re:Interesting consequences by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can look at it as Apache/IIS allowing access to port 80, or restricting access to only port 80, and only a certain publicly available part of the filesystem.

      If you view it the latter way, then exploiting it to get access to another protocol, or section of the filesystem would clearly be a trespass.

      Ie; I run a business like a barbershop out of the front room of my house, or say live above a store. This doesnt give the public access to go check out my bedroom.

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    2. Re:Interesting consequences by onlyabill · · Score: 1

      Agreed but it is still far better then the current situation. And if these recommendations are followed (not likely) then anyone purposely manipulating a target system to gain access or additional privileges would be guilty of a criminal act not the broader interpretations that are available today. As I understand his paper, the system owner would not need to do anything. The act of attempting to circumvent system restrictions by means would be 'unauthorized access'.

      What he is trying to avoid is having someone libel for a crime because of a breach of access contract verses acts of hacking. As the laws stand today, if the click-through contract states that you can not use your email account to send JPEGs and you do, you would be considered an unauthorized user and subject to criminal prosecution.

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    3. Re:Interesting consequences by DJ+Rubbie · · Score: 1

      How about Microsoft's trusted computing platform, or CD copy protection schemes? If putting a mod chips or using a marker pen to circumvent (break) code-based restrictions, doesn't that act constitute as an unauthorized access into a system? So could the DMCA somehow play into this?

      Remember you do not own the CD, you merely have a licence to play it. Also in the future you may not own the hardware, you merely have a licence to use it.

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    4. Re:Interesting consequences by GlassHeart · · Score: 1
      Say for example you lock down everything except Apache/IIS running on port 80. Since both these two have had security exploits in the past (not trying to start a holy war here), what happens if someone exploits your webserver to gain more access?

      I think that if you have an open port 80, and what appears to be a HTTP server responding to requests there, then you've implicitly allowed people to send it valid HTTP requests (as formally defined in W3C documents, or perhaps informally by vendor-specific extensions).

      If your HTTP server has a bug, and a well-formed HTTP request crashes it, I think the "attacker" should generally not be liable. On the other hand, if you were sent an undocumented request that a reasonable client would not send, then the attacker should generally be liable. Certainly, a buffer-overflow attack, which includes CPU op-codes to overwrite the buffer, cannot be argued to be a reasonable HTTP request. A ping flood, while individually legal, does not serve any reasonable purpose in aggregate, and should therefore be illegal.

      That is, if you were sent a well-formed HTTP request, it's your burden to prove ill intent. If you were sent an unreasonable HTTP request, it's the sender's burden to prove innocense.

    5. Re:Interesting consequences by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 1
      Note also that you do not take into account the relative difficulty of breaking the 'code-based restrictions'. Adobe e-books come to mind. If some security protection was similarly of a weakness that defies the imagination, so easy to break that an average person could break the code in his head, shouldn't the onus of guilt fall rather moreso on the jackass owner than the 'hacker'?

      I hesitate to use an anology, but could someone actually be charged with the 'breaking' part of B&E if your front door consists of grocery bags taped together?

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    6. Re:Interesting consequences by PetWolverine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      On the other hand, it could be argued that the concept of licensing as it's currently used in software is completely absurd.

      If I rent an apartment, I pay a monthly fee to use that space. I don't own it. The fact that I don't own it has certain consequences: I have to continue to pay to continue to use it, but also, the owner is responsible for maintenance. If something breaks, the landlord is responsible for fixing it. If I'm renting a car, the company that owns it is also responsible for certain things. If the car breaks in some way under normal use, they have to fix it, as with the apartment; but if the car breaks something of mine--for instance, the CD player destroys a CD for no apparent reason--the company renting the car to me is responsible for damages.

      So, now we get into the software. By analogy, the "owner" of the software--i.e., the company that developed it--is responsible for maintaining that software. "Normal use" would be defined as running the software for its intended purpose on supporting hardware under a particular operating system. If I'm running MS Word X for Mac, on my Mac, under Mac OS X, and the software corrupts itself and refuses to run again, Microsoft is responsible for fixing the software, regardless of what sort of "warranty" I may or may not have--after all, warranties are for things we purchase, not for things we rent. Further, if Word suddenly crashes for no reason, and I lose data, MS is responsible for reimbursing me for any losses incurred as a result of the crash. That is, unless I actually own the software.

      If we extend this to hardware, the vendors get themselves into even more of a mess, because once again, it doesn't matter what sort of "warranty" I have, the manufacturer is responsible for ensuring that I have working hardware--indefinitely. There's no clause in any contract I signed when I "licensed" my computer that my license to use it expires after a certain amount of time; there's no clause that says that I can only expect it to work for a certain amount of time. Thus, if the processor fries itself under normal use ten years down the road, the manufacturer had damned well better fix it! Licensing software is pushing things; licensing hardware would be insane.

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  34. YOU SO FAIL IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SNOPES OWNZ JOO!
    " No, the FBI doesn't release an annual list of the "Top 20 Homicides." If the sheer inanity of some of these entries (e.g., a man "drowning" from drinking too much Coca-Cola), the atrocious spelling and grammar, and the use of Britishisms (such as 'tonne,' 'doctors surgery,' and 'kilometers' ) don't give away that this list is just a bit of humor, then consider that most of the homicides detailed here are not federal crimes and don't involve a crossing of state lines, and therefore the FBI wouldn't have been called upon to investigate them. "

  35. Fee Kevin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Did he forget to return a library book?

  36. The ultimate spam law by egburr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this guys recommendations are followed and made into law, it sounds to me like spam would finally be made into a criminal offense.
    Spam hitting my mailserver would be "access", and using a forged header to circumvent my filters would be "without authorization" because of "false identification".
    I wonder how much money the spammer lobby will be sending to legislators to keep this guys recommendations off the books.

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    1. Re:The ultimate spam law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Spammer Lobby"?
      got ./ers are retarded
      you guys latch on to ideas and then forget to think

    2. Re:The ultimate spam law by alkali · · Score: 1
      If this guys recommendations are followed and made into law, it sounds to me like spam would finally be made into a criminal offense.

      (Clarification: Kerr isn't promoting these laws; they're on the books, and he's suggesting a way of interpreting them.)

      I don't think spamming that defeats your filters is unauthorized access. The access is complete as soon as your mail server accepts the message, which it will do whether or not the message will ultimately satisfy the filters. What your mail server does with it afterward by way of filters is your business.

      Even if you used a slightly broader definition of "access," it seems to me that you'd have trouble showing that someone intentionally bypassed your mail filters, the exact forms of which are presumably not public. (Although it's possible intent could be inferred: a subject line like "Look at my naked e_l_b_o_w fskldfjs" -- substitute any body part you like for "elbow" -- seems to assume that there are particular filters to be bypassed.)

    3. Re:The ultimate spam law by egburr · · Score: 1
      I used the broadest interpretation of access, as the article suggested: connection to my computer.

      It is true that my filters are not public info. That does not change anything. If the spam uses a forged header, then it is using false identification, which automatically makes the access unauthorized. (using the recommendations in the article)

      This would have no force on spam that uses the correct identification in the headers. That spam would be accepted or rejected by my filters as determined by the identification. By using correct identification and still being allowed in, that accesses becomes authorized. I may then update my filters to prevent future authorization for that ID.

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    4. Re:The ultimate spam law by egburr · · Score: 1

      One more clarification: There are multiple points of access. The initial connection to the mail server is authorized to everybody. The point at which the access becomes unauthorized is after the sender provides false identification and causes the mailserver to run code to process, store, and deliver the email.

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    5. Re:The ultimate spam law by alkali · · Score: 1
      (Playing devil's advocate.) Your mail server doesn't accept only mail with proper identification. It accepts all mail. The access is complete when the mail is accepted. What you or your mail server does with it after that point (processing, storing, delivering) is your business. You could just delete it all if you liked.

      Would be interesting to hear Prof. Kerr's view on this question.

    6. Re:The ultimate spam law by Steve+B · · Score: 1
      it seems to me that you'd have trouble showing that someone intentionally bypassed your mail filters, the exact forms of which are presumably not public

      I don't see that this would be any trouble at all. Maybe a spammer can offer some innocent explanation of why he uses a special program to insert dummy HTML tags into certain words and throw lines of random gibberish into each message. And maybe a young hoodlum can offer some innocent explanation of why he stuck a slim jim into a car window that was open a crack. In both cases, they can tell it to the judge.

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    7. Re:The ultimate spam law by dipierro · · Score: 1

      This would have no force on spam that uses the correct identification in the headers.

      Of course, all we'd then have to do is require email to have a "This is not spam" header :).

    8. Re:The ultimate spam law by Rakarra · · Score: 1
      "Spammer Lobby"?
      got ./ers are retarded

      Are you under the mistaken impression that there isn't one?

    9. Re:The ultimate spam law by egburr · · Score: 1
      But my mail server does not accept all mail. If the FROM header matches a rejection list (or a blacklist site, such as ORBS, RBL, etc.) then the email is rejected without the body ever being received and the connection is closed.

      If a forged email address is used, then then email sender is providing "false identification" which automatically makes the access unauthorized. It does not matter whether the false or real address would have been allowed, it still used false identification.

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  37. Oregon vs. Schwartz by swm · · Score: 4, Informative
    Commentary on a specific (and troubling) case where someone was convicted of "unauthorized" computer access

    http://world.std.com/~swmcd/steven/rants/merlyn.ht ml

    1. Re:Oregon vs. Schwartz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Are you kidding me? Schwartz cracked passwords on a machine when he didn't have permission to do so. It's one thing to tell a company that they should try to enforce the use of stronger passwords. It's quite another to crack the passwords and present the cleartext passwords to management saying "see how insecure your passwords are?" when you've never been given permission to do so.

      Schwartz was working as a contractor doing things that had nothing to do with security assesment. It's like hiring someone to mow your lawn and they happen to mention that your house is easy to break into. "I've already opened the front door to show you how easy it is to get in." I'd call the cops too.

      I'm tired of people holding up Schwartz as some kind of hero. Maybe the court's sentence was harsh but that doesn't change the fact that what he did was still wrong.

  38. Using the word "Welcome" by Gudlyf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not entirely sure if this is true, but back when I took my undergrad CS classes, one professor mentioned to the class that use of the word "Welcome" at a login prompt was supposedly giving the world legal access to the system to do what they wished. He went on to say that a hacker back in the 80's or 90's got away with hacking into a high-profile computer network because of this loophole, where accessing the system from a remote location prompted the user with "Welcome!". His defense was that since this system was welcoming him to login to it, what crime was being commited?

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    1. Re:Using the word "Welcome" by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1

      I recommend "Fuck off!"

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    2. Re:Using the word "Welcome" by bensej · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Does this mean that if my doormat says "welcome" Then anyone is free to break down my door and take all my stuff? If a judge actually accepted this argument he should be removed from the bench. It never ceases to amaze me how much is allowed to occur with computers that noone would tolerate out in the physical world.

    3. Re:Using the word "Welcome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's my ssid

    4. Re:Using the word "Welcome" by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Informative

      By a similar token, does allowing anonymous ftp access mean that anyone can use the ftp site.

      If someone sets up an ftp with full access to anonymous users, can they really say it's unauthorized when a million kiddies start trading warez through there? (I'm wondering about all the 'pubs' which are basically "stolen" space on public ftps for the warez kiddies. )

      The piracy is a crime, but does a computer trespass take place? (Say they were trading Red Hat ISOs for the sake of argument)

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    5. Re:Using the word "Welcome" by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      I don't recall all the details, but yes, I believe there was a case where a cracker used the "Welcome" message as an affirmative defence.

      That's why many of the .mil and .gov sites one accesses these days display explicit disclaimers stating that the systems are for official use only.

    6. Re:Using the word "Welcome" by Gudlyf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here is one page I found that suggests using the world "welcome" in a login banner is asking for trouble. Has some other related info. as well.

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    7. Re:Using the word "Welcome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it amazes me how many people think that "no one" is a single word.

    8. Re:Using the word "Welcome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This is of course because when someone enters into your home and takes a chair, he steals it, you loose the chair. When someone roots you and copies your porn, or your wedding photos, whichever you like more, you still have them. Deleting or modifying files on purpose is considered an attack, of course, as could be burning your chair.

      The problem with you conservative people is trying to apply rules based on physical property to things which aren't physical.

    9. Re:Using the word "Welcome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My /etc/issue:

      This computer system is for authorized users only. Individuals using
      this system without authority or in excess of their authority are
      subject to having all their activities on this system monitored and
      recorded or examined by any authorized person, including law
      enforcement, as system personnel deem appropriate. In the course of
      monitoring individuals improperly using the system or in the course
      of system maintenance, the activities of authorized users may also
      be monitored and recorded. Any material so recorded may be disclosed
      as appropriate. Anyone using this system consents to these terms.

    10. Re:Using the word "Welcome" by caluml · · Score: 1

      It's probably your /etc/issue.net that it needs to go in, no? /etc/issue is only displayed to users logging in on a local tty, if I'm not mistaken.

    11. Re:Using the word "Welcome" by gobbligook · · Score: 1

      If you are using this system without authorization, you will understand that you will be monitored and that information will be disclosed to the authorities so they can track you down and arrest you.

      For all authorized users: Welcome!

    12. Re:Using the word "Welcome" by dipierro · · Score: 1

      Does this mean that if my doormat says "welcome" Then anyone is free to break down my door and take all my stuff?

      Of course not. Destruction of property and theft are still illegal.

    13. Re:Using the word "Welcome" by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Extremes swing both ways. Not only "It never ceases to amaze me how much is allowed to occur with computers that noone would tolerate out in the physical world" -- it's equally amazing how what's perfectly normal behaviour out in the real world becomes a criminal offense if a computer is involved.

      Either this gets damped down and an equilibrium is found, or eventually something gets broken big-time.

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    14. Re:Using the word "Welcome" by Rakarra · · Score: 1
      This is of course because when someone enters into your home and takes a chair, he steals it, you loose the chair.When someone roots you and copies your porn, or your wedding photos, whichever you like more, you still have them.

      What if I broke into your house, taking pictures of everything in it, scanning through your CD collection and copying them, and so forth? Would that be just fine? I'd have a hard time just accepting the "coming into my home" part.

      The problem with you conservative people is trying to apply rules based on physical property to things which aren't physical.

      I guess the difficult part for both sides is coming up with analogies between real world and virtual world that line up.

  39. I always wonder... by Corvaith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are there really that many ISPs out there which disallow NAT use?

    The last three places I've used--all broadband, in two different areas of the country--actually came out and just said to people, "You get one IP. If you want more than one machine hooked up, get a broadband router."

    Okay, granted, one of those three does actually offer extra IPs for sale. (Which I'd have if I could; I don't *like* using NAT, personally. But I get a deal through my university, so.) The other two, it wasn't even an option.

    But they never seemed to really care if you used NAT or not. Multiple computers in a household becoming a common thing, it seems like the only sensible way to handle it.

    Are there that many places out there that ban NAT?

    1. Re:I always wonder... by eht · · Score: 1

      I was reading through RoadRunner's FAQ and they specifically allow use of NAT's and those little Linksys doodad boxes, they even have "RoadRunner Wireless" being rolled out, where you hook up wireless AP to share your connection in your home, and specifically list in their FAQ that VPN's are ok.

      The following links might not work if you attempt to access them from outside RoadRunner's IP blocks
      LANs on RoadRunner

      VPNs on RoadRunner

      Wireless RoadRunner

      Roadrunner is owned by Time Warner/AOL.

    2. Re:I always wonder... by nolife · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I recieved a snail mail from Comcast a few months ago for the same thing. They even offered 2/256k speed for the service which is an upgrade from the normal 1.5/256 (1.5/128 at the time) all for only $10 more a month including the Linksys Wireless router. The goal of the advertising package was wireless access from anywhere in your house and more speed for "demanding" business applications when others are online in the house also. The full color ad had pictures of kids playing online games in the family room while Mom was in the den in a business suit, talking on the phone and typing away in a fake spreadsheet application.

      I was never able to find any information online about that deal and a call to CS about the package was useless. Maybe it was a limited test of some sort that failed?

      Funny how they advertise these things and at the same time complain about people using too much of thier "unlimited" internet driving up costs.

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      Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
    3. Re:I always wonder... by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      I'm on Bellsouth DSL, and they sold us the router I use (with a rebate, so it was essentially free), so I'd imagine they don't have a problem with it. So it doesn't seem to be all too common from my experience either.

    4. Re:I always wonder... by Surak · · Score: 1

      The standard Road Runner Residential Service is designed for single-computer configurations. However, you are able to connect multiple computers to a single cable modem with the use of a hub. Such local area network (LAN) configurations are your responsibility to install and support.

      Right...that's the policy of a lot of broadband providers. You can do it, but we're not going to support it. Of course this means that they have the right to refuse to service you until you remove your network. So they let you do it, but they don't like it and they're not going to make it easy for you.

      That's the policy of most providers. I'm sure there are some providers that ban NATs, otherwise they wouldn't be new methods to scan inside a NAT and count the number of boxes now would there? My example was just that -- an example. There are countless others, and I'll admit my example is probably a little contived, but it's good enough to illustrate my point (hopefully).

    5. Re:I always wonder... by eht · · Score: 1

      Actually I do know of at least one broadband provider that doesn't allow NATs, sorry but I can't think of the name off the top of my head but it's located in the Boston area, my friend is a sysadmin and this ISP had been the provider they had chosen for their employees to use to work from home, one day some of their employees were just cut off, no explantion, calling the ISP they found out that those little Linksys boxes(using the term generically) were "banned" and that NATs weren't allowed, we never did figure out how the ISP figured it out as it was already cloning the assigned MAC address, and firewalls weren't prohibited. I hate it when ISPs change TOS without notification.

    6. Re:I always wonder... by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 1
      I hate it when ISPs change TOS without notification.
      That's why my homepage is my ISP's TOS page, so I won't miss it when they change something. Damn entertaining reading, too -- and it only takes me about 22 minutes to scan the whole thing each morning.

      Hey, if you read your ISP's TOS, you'll see this is no joke: They can change the TOS at any time, and it's your responsibility to ensure any changes are acceptable to you. Continued use of the service is acceptance of any new TOS. You've been warned.

      --
      If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
  40. In case you need it by the9thbit · · Score: 1

    You all said it died, but I got it... maybe cached from our proxy though.. but anyway.

    HERE IT IS

    enjoy.. I'll be busy for a bit. :)

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    Put your money where your mouth is -
  41. Brief summary by alkali · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Prof. Kerr points out that a number of statutes criminalize "unauthorized access" to a computer, but that there has been little attention to what that means. He proposes that "access" be broadly defined (to include basically any kind of interaction with a computer) but that "unauthorized" or "without authorization" be narrowly defined.

    In particular, he distinguishes two kinds of "authorization": (1) "code"-based authorization, where computer code limits the scope of user control of the computer, like when a computer requires a password for use, and (2) "contract"-based authorization, where a contract or license limits the scope of user control, like your contract with your ISP.

    He argues that for purposes of criminal statutes, only access that circumvents "code"-based authorization should be deemed "unauthorized" access. Otherwise, you could potentially be deemed a criminal for violating the terms of use of a web site.

    He notes that there are cases in which unauthorized access in the contract sense seems tantamount to criminal conduct. Suppose you delete key files from your employer's computer: you have code-based authority (the password that lets you log on) but not contract-based authority (presumably you understand that your employer expects you not to maliciously delete files). He suggests that those types of acts should be separately dealt with (e.g., under the statutes forbidding intentional damage to computer systems, or with new legislation).

    (Note:: Before anyone posts that the above analysis is too simplistic or otherwise wrong, read Kerr's actual, excellent article, which is far more detailed than this summary. He may have already anticipated your question, or your objection might arise from some confusion inadvertently generated by my summary. )

  42. Weirding improves language. by UserGoogol · · Score: 1
    To quote American Heritage Dictionary, the best dictionary in the world:
    access
    n.
    1. A means of approaching, entering, exiting, communicating with, or making use of: a store with easy access.
    2. The act of approaching.
    3. The ability or right to approach, enter, exit, communicate with, or make use of: has access to the restricted area; has access to classified material.
    4. Public access.
    5. An increase by addition.
    6. An outburst or onset: an access of rage.

    tr.v. accessed, accessing, accesses
    To obtain access to, especikally by computer: used a browser to access a website; accessed her bank account online.
    And they don't even have a little usage note like they do with worse words like Irregardless. Language changes. As long as people understand what you're talking about, and you aren't misrepresenting facts, it's okay. (I'm not sure about the evolution of the word Hacker, as it misrepresents "hackers" as crackers, but I'm not sure either way.)
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    "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor
  43. Deja Vu by mikeu45 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does the title to this article sound like what Bill Clinton once said

    "That depends on what the definition of the word 'is' is.

    Spooky

  44. apply it like real life, by Vaughn+Anderson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is "unauthorized access" to my house?

    1. When some one comes in uninvited.
    2. When someone breaks into my house.
    3. When someone is in my house already and then I ask them to leave and they don't.

    Obviously these rules apply similarily to a website vs a brick and mortar.

    1. All people can come into my business
    2. If it is closed you cannot come in.
    3. If there is a private area you cannot have access to it.
    4. If you are asked to leave and you don't, then you are breaking the law and the nice officer will come and my asking and remove you from my premises.

    Why does the digital world have to be any different?

    My website is my business/public area, if I lock something done with a password, stay out. Anybody can email me or send me snail mail. My computer is like my home, no one is ever allowed here unless I say it is ok, period.

    No access to personal computers should be legal without the consent of the owner of that computer. An ISP has an agreement with the user, so access is needed, but this isn't much different than the water, power and sewer I have. The people running the utilities have certain accesses to my home in an odd way...

    Where do I send this?

    1. Re:apply it like real life, by bnenning · · Score: 1
      If it is closed you cannot come in. If there is a private area you cannot have access to it.


      Define "closed" and "private". Suppose there's a site with 8 pages of content: page1.html, page2.html, and so on. Each page links to the next, except for the 7th which has a notice that the final page is only available to paying customers. So I manually enter the URL with "page8.html" at the end, and the "private" document appears. Have I committed a crime?


      These are hard issues precisely because they don't have good real-world equivalents.

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    2. Re:apply it like real life, by Vaughn+Anderson · · Score: 1

      Sure there is an equivilant in real life.

      Take a store for example. You have 8 magazine racks on the shelf. The first 7 are "free" and open to the public to look at all they want. The eigth you have to pay for.

      Is it the people walking into the store or the store owner that should make sure the 8th magazine rack doesn't get read before purchasing?

      Now to be more clear, let's say the 8th magazine rack is not on a normal display and is off to the side, behind the crackers. A kids slides inbetween the racks accidently and notices rack #8.

      If there is a sign that says "you cannot read these magazines without purchasing them" then there perhaps is an issue. But if there isn't, and the rack is just "hidden" but not secured, with like a plastic wrapping around the magazine. Then what law will protect the merchant for not securing their product? So no, the 8th html page is in the public and is like anything in real life that can get "bumped into by accident." Hardly a clear label for private/closed... (the inside of your house can't be entered by accident, but rack 8 and html page 8 can be...)

      v. closed, closÂing, closÂes (kloz)
      v. tr.

      1. To move (a door, for example) so that an opening or passage is covered or obstructed; shut.
      2. To bar access to: closed the road for repairs.
      5. To make unavailable for use: closed the area to development; closed the database to further changes.

      priÂvate
      adj.

      1.
      1. Secluded from the sight, presence, or intrusion of others: a private hideaway.
      2. Designed or intended for one's exclusive use: a private room.

      My personal computer is "private" and no one is allowed in without my permission. Period. Even if there is no password or anything protecting it, just like my house.

      The commercial area of my site is "closed" to those without access. If there is a private area in my commercial space that is supposed to be closed to public access, then I should put a wall around it so nobody "accidently" finds it (like page 8), and then put a lock on the door, so patrons know, "you need a key to enter, go buy one at the counter".

      This is all common sense in the real world, why the confusion on the web related issues?

    3. Re:apply it like real life, by bnenning · · Score: 1
      I mostly agree with your answer, but I'm playing devil's advocate because I don't think it's black and white.


      So no, the 8th html page is in the public and is like anything in real life that can get "bumped into by accident."


      No it isn't. Nothing links to it; I had to make a deliberate effort to see it. Clearly my intent was to obtain something of value without paying for it, against the wishes of the site's owner. You recognize that even if you don't properly secure your personal computer, accessing it without permission isn't allowed, so what's the difference here? The owner intended for page 8 to be "closed", he just didn't do a good job of it.

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      How to solve most of our problems: 1.Lots of nuclear plants. 2.Cure aging.
    4. Re:apply it like real life, by Vaughn+Anderson · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, it's probably not black and white in the brick and mortar world either though.

      If someone intends for their content to be closed in the simplistic manner that he chooses I think a simple statement on the page that you have to be a member to read this would then be appropriate.

      There are many legally binding disclaimers on pages already, like copyright statements, personal liability disclaimers of knowledge, disclaimers of validity of information, etc...

      The problem is like this though, what if a person links to that page and there is no disclaimer? Then only one person can be at fault, the original person to link to that page. Everyone after that would not necissarily have knowledge (unless labled) that it was for commercial use only, and the owner would have a very, very hard time convincing a jury/judge that those people commited any sort of crime.

      Keep in mind also, that if you go to a book store 99.9% of all the books are open for reading, so perhaps a perspective change is in order here, when you pay for information online, are you paying for access to it, or paying for the information itself? Just because you "hide" something doesn't imply that you are charging money for it unless you explicitly ask for money in exchange.

      Again, this is the difference between publicly accessible space sectioned off for commercial reasons and private space closed off by cultural norm. (brick and mortar & website vs home & personal computer)

      One more example seems appropriate to the nature of a "web page".

      Posters. If you put up 7 posters, all free to look at, but put one poster behind something so that no one would normally see it there, unless you clearly label that people are not allowed to look at the poster that is hidden, then it would be fair game to look at it for free. (this concept based on previous logic)

      Simply relying on the fact that
      1) people have already read the other posters and "know" where to look for the last one and pay for it before looking
      AND/OR
      2) That no person would just rumage around in your store looking for stuff that isn't really on display.

      Are not good arguments for saying accessing page 8 is unauthorized access...

    5. Re:apply it like real life, by ArsonPanda · · Score: 1

      My personal computer is "private" and no one is allowed in without my permission. Period. Even if there is no password or anything protecting it, just like my house.

      But there's a problem with that. Walking down the street I can quite clearly see that this building is a residence and that one there is a busness. If I punch 589.261.92.71 (yes, i know its invalid, but for example) into my browser, or telnet client, or whatever, and it pulls up your private site on your private compy, I don't know where it is, or wether its a "private" or "public" comp. Its just data. If I misdial my friends phone number, and call you and you answer, have I "accesed" your personal phone w/o authorization? Have I wrongly accesed the sound patterns that are your voice hidden away inside your home? no.

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      --I don't want the world, I just want your half.
    6. Re:apply it like real life, by arose · · Score: 1

      So if nothing links to my homepage, but someone types it in?

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      Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
    7. Re:apply it like real life, by Vaughn+Anderson · · Score: 1
      If I punch 589.261.92.71 (yes, i know its invalid, but for example) into my browser, or telnet client, or whatever, and it pulls up your private site on your private compy, I don't know where it is, or wether its a "private" or "public" comp. Its just data.

      That is why it is neccary for there to be a definition on the premis of what it is. Ever seen the sign "Private Property, stay out!" or "No Tresspassing Private Property!"

      This is the same problem that exists in the real world for hunters, fishers, snowmobiliers, hikers, etc... If the property owner doesn't put a fence around their property to keep people out or let them know that it is indeed private property, then how would anyone know? Also, even if there's isn't a huge wall and a padlock, if you step over the fence that has the sign "no tresspassing" you have just tresspassed.

      Also like copyrights, if you don't put a copyright symbol on your work, then you haven't really informed anyone that it's copyrighted, then you will have a much harder time defending your copyright in court.

      Also from my understanding of telnet and browsers, if I don't have web server software running then you'd need a password to get in. If there's a login/password and you get around that system however you can without a valid login then it should be considered unauthorized access, aka Breaking and entering, just like for your home.

      If I misdial my friends phone number, and call you and you answer, have I "accesed" your personal phone w/o authorization?

      Phones, to my limited knowledge, are all publicly accessable. If you reach a phone that isn't I am sure you will be promptly informed that it is not a publicly accessible phone number by them hanging up, so you aren't really getting "access" like going into someone's house, not really a proper analogy. A side note; using a public phone directory is only allowed for private use (businesses can't use it).

  45. I think there's a better question by heff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think a better question would be , "What constitutes "Unauthorized" _Data_ access?"

    It's often easier to access to the data being served than it is to the machine itself and I think the debate would be much more valuable.

    maybe he adressess this as i didnt RTFA.

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    1. Re:I think there's a better question by alkali · · Score: 1

      Whatever you do, don't suggest that distinction to a LISP programmer.

  46. "Authorization" and DMCA by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Informative
    There are people who need to see this, such as lawmakers. But as for computer nerds, it's kind of obvious: Yes, the terms are vague and complex issues arise as a result. No duh.

    The vagueness of authorization was particularly noticable in the DeCSS trial, although the defense didn't do a very good job of pointing it out. (*grumble*). I bet if you take a poll of regular people on the street, 9 out 10 would think that they have authorization to access the contents of a DVD that they bought. Judge Kaplan disagreed. And that's just it: the guy with the DVD doesn't really know.

    It turns out that in the case of CSS, the authorization is done by obscure means with terms and conditions that the owner of the DVD never finds out about. Apparently (we still don't really know this, but this seems a reasonable speculation) it involves the equipment you're using being made by one 3rd-party (the DVD player manufacturer) who had an agreement with another 3rd party (DVDCCA). Not only does the owner of a DVD not know whether the terms have been met (what do you do, write a letter to Sony?), but the nature of the terms themselves are a secret (you don't even know that a contract between Sony and DVDCCA is a condition). Compare that to a tall fence and an explicit "no trespassing" sign in the physical world. It's positively wacko. But the court didn't have a problem with that.

    The author of this paper touches on this (in the context of accessing computers rather than accessing data, but the same arguments apply, I think):

    Under these precedents, nearly any use of a computer that is against the interests of its owner is an "access" to the computer either "without authorization" or "exceeding authorized access," triggering criminal unauthorizrd access statues.
    And that really does seem to be the kind of thinking that was applied in the DeCSS case -- "against the interests" is what really seems to matter. I mean, no one really bought my above explanation for the terms and conditions of access to a DVD, did they? You know I was full of shit; nothing could possibly be that complex and arbitrary, right? ;-) "Against the interests" is much simpler.

    It's no wonder that there are so many goofy misinterpretations of DMCA here on Slashdot, because when you really get down to it, the way DMCA has been used, it might as well just say, "You can't do anything we don't want you to." The Lexmark case -- wow, try explaining that one to a layman!

    "Authorization" is such a wonderful, flexible, powerful word. Defining it would ruin everything.

    --
    As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
  47. Easy Definition by WatertonMan · · Score: 1

    The easy answer to the question is that it is unauthorized access when they don't give a damn or can't do anything about it.

  48. In the eye of the beholder by smoondog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unauthorized access should be defined by the user, the isp, the network, and differs from place to place. ISP's as general rule should have broad access restrictions that should be open and accessible, and users with networks or public computers (WWW, etc) should have their own.

    -Sean

  49. "This Abstract has been viewed 415 times" by Guilly · · Score: 1

    When the number of comments reaches twice the number of abstract views... which must be 10% of the whole article views.. You just know slashdot has a problem :)

  50. If it's trivial... by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If it's trivial to access the system, then there should be no crime committed.

    You cannot just leave an open webserver and expect people to 'just know' they they cannot request files from it. You cannot expect people not to poke around your unpassworded FTP server.

    Trivial passwords should fall into the same category - you can't be bothered to take care of your data/services, you can't bitch when someone else reads it/uses them.

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    Beep beep.
    1. Re:If it's trivial... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't get pissed off then if someone breaks into your house because the door was unlocked.

    2. Re:If it's trivial... by Frater+219 · · Score: 1
      Trivial passwords should fall into the same category - you can't be bothered to take care of your data/services, you can't bitch when someone else reads it/uses them.

      Trivial doors should fall into the same category -- if you can't be bothered to lock all your TV set and fancy gaming computer in a steel safe every time you go out, you shouldn't bitch when someone else takes them. Uh-huh.

      See the problem? People have expectations of privacy that go beyond the physical mechanisms they have in place to forcibly keep others off their land or out of their houses. That is why we have trespassing and theft laws at all, instead of just leaving everyone putting up solid steel fences and arming themselves to the teeth. We believe in the rule of law -- not the rule of the highest fence and the biggest cannon.

      The same needs to apply to the Net. People should take precautions with their systems just as they lock their doors and cars. However, when those precautions or locks are violated by someone with ill intent, that is a crime and must be treated as such. Though both the user with bad passwords and the guy who leaves his door unlocked are fools, it remains illegal to steal from fools.

    3. Re:If it's trivial... by GlassHeart · · Score: 1
      You cannot just leave an open webserver and expect people to 'just know' they they cannot request files from it. You cannot expect people not to poke around your unpassworded FTP server.

      I agree. A responsive server should constitute implicit permission to access everything except things that are cannot reasonably be public information. For example, you should be free to poke around www.bankofamerica.com, if it's open, but not download a file called "customer-information-SECRET.dat". The implicit permission cannot reasonably extend to that file.

      Similarly, you may wander around the woods, and stray into somebody's private property. If there were no fences or markers, you should not be faulted for following a rabbit into private property. However, you do not have a similar implicit permission to open the door to the house, much less to look in their jewelry box.

      Trivial passwords should fall into the same category

      That's ridiculous. The range of possible passwords is a continuum. Where do you propose to draw the line between trivial and non-trivial passwords? Last I looked, a "stupid" victim doesn't excuse a crime.

    4. Re:If it's trivial... by Darren.Moffat · · Score: 1

      So if you accidentally leave the door to your house open it okay for someone to come in and cause intentional damage to its contents ? No it isn't (there are two crimes here, one criminal (breaking and entering) and the other probably civil (but it depends exactly on what was done with said term paper). A "computer" parallel to this would be script kiddies access systems using information they found from a friend and the posting the private information out on other sites.

      Or thing about it this way, you are a student in a large dorm that has a master key, is it okay for the staff who maintain the system to give the key to a friend to come in and steal your term paper (and I really do mean paper (dead trees) here) and rip it off as his own work ?

      Computers are far too difficult for the vast majority of people to have the faintest clue of what is going on. Even trained professionals make mistakes sometimes.

      A webserver that has obvious public content, sure it can be accessed. An ftp server that is obviously anoymous ftp, probably you are starting to touch a grey area because even an anoymous ftp server asks for identification.

      Access to a system because you guessed a "trivial" password, certainly not - you have been authorized and you intended to gain access to a system you had not been given permission to do so. However if you had been properly authorized (by the owner or someone acting legally on their behalf) to gain access to the system by guess in the password, it is not unauthroized access.

      In summary, "Grow up and thing about data just as
      you would physical things".

    5. Re:If it's trivial... by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 1

      "In summary, "Grow up and thing about data just as
      you would physical things"."

      Data however is not a physical thing - you loose nothing by someone taking a copy, at least if you believe that intellectual property rights are pointless like so many here on /.

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    6. Re:If it's trivial... by Darren.Moffat · · Score: 1

      Actually you can loose a lot by someone taking a copy of your data. The data doesn't have to be an invention to be worth something, it could be your companies accounts or your confidential internal phone list etc etc.

      I certainly don't believe that intellecutal property rights are pointless. Neither could anyone who believes in truely believes and understands what the GPL and other software licenses mean.

  51. Easy way to make $$$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    1. Put up a website on the net
    2. Wait for 100 hits
    3. Sue the 100 people who visited your site for $50,000 each, claiming that you didn't give them authorization to access your computer. Profit!

  52. Morris and the Intended Function Test by Shackleford · · Score: 3, Informative
    I did not read the entire document (all 70 pages of it) but I'd have to say that you don't need to read it all to find that at least some parts of it were quite interesting. For example, after reading pages 38-42, the section on Robert Tappan Morris and the "intended function test", I'd have to say that this section alone is quite interesting and is in itself a topic that worthy of debate.

    For those of you who aren't familiar with what Morris did or didn't read the section I'm discussing, he is the one resposible for the worm that shut down much of the Internet in 1988. He did it using computers to which he had access, and so he was authorized to use them. However, his worm, which exploited bugs in software such as sendmail and the finger daemon, "spread out of control" and caused more damage than intended. He "exceded authorized use" of the computers to which he had access. And there is a subtle distinction between that and "unauthorized use," but is it significant? That's a point to consider. Here are others:

    • The worm that he had written became "out of control." If that hadn't happened, then would we have ever heard about this? What I am saying is that unauthorized computer access and what is done with that access are two separate things. No harm, no foul, as they say.
    • The reason it is called the "intended fuction test" is because he used sendmail and the finger daemon for purposes for which they were not intended. Those that write software implicitly only allow users to use software for its intended purposes. What implications does this have for open source software? And game modifications? What about security testing?

    These are a few points I'd say are worth considering. I'm sure that there's plenty more food for thought in the many pages of the document that I still have yet to read. :)

  53. The good thing about laws by poopdik · · Score: 4, Informative

    The thing about laws that a lot of people don't understand is that all of those "vague" terms that seem ambiguous.. are actually well defined within the legal code. At least in the states I've lived in.

    In california.. it goes something like this:
    (b) For the purposes of this section, the following terms have the following meanings:
    (1) "Access" means to gain entry to, instruct, or communicate with the logical, arithmetical, or memory function resources of a computer, computer system, or computer network.
    (2) "Computer network" means any system that provides communications between one or more computer systems and input/output devices including, but not limited to, display terminals and printers connected by telecommunication facilities.


    I pondered this quite a bit myself as I was charged and convicted of it in California about 10 years ago.

  54. My Question by Steve+B · · Score: 1
    Is there a way to define the willful circumvention of anti-spam filters (e.g. by throwing in random junk to disguise "spammy" words or make each message appear to be different) as "unauthorized access" without opening some can of worms that needs to be kept closed?

    If so, then the legal tools are already available to make some serious examples.

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  55. state laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the state of maine (along with others i'm sure)it is illegal to attempt to access, as well as access a computer that isn't yours.

    1. Re:state laws by clarkcox3 · · Score: 1

      The computers running /. aren't yours, and you just accessed them to post that message, so by your own words, you just broke the law.

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    2. Re:state laws by poopdik · · Score: 1

      The computers running /. aren't yours, and you just accessed them to post that message, so by your own words, you just broke the law.

      In about 1993 or 1994, a lawyer told me that what you said was exactly right. Authorization in California - at the time anyway - was explicit. Without explicit authrorization, any access is illegal access. At my young age this led me to theorize that in all aspects of life people are probably "breaking the law" pretty much all day, every day.. and it is only when "the man" chooses to enforce it that "he" will. That theory has pretty much held true for those 10 years.

  56. UK law perspective by localekko · · Score: 3, Informative
    In the UK, unauthorised computer access is defined by section 1 of the Computer Misuse Act 1990:
    (1) A person if guilty of an offence if-
    (a) he causes a computer to perform any function with intent to secure access to any program or data held in any computer; (b) the access he intends to secure is unauthorised; and (c) he knows at the time when he causes the computer to perform the function that is the case.
    (2) The intent a person has to have to commit an offence under this section need not be directed at-
    (a) any particular program or data; (b) a program or data of any particular kind; or (c) a program or data held in any particular computer.
    A further offence is defined under section 2 regarding unauthorised access with intent to commit or facilitate commission of further offences. The big problem is subsection (1)(c) - whether or not the person is aware that the access he is attempting to secure is, in fact, illegal. Unlike some other statutes, the CMA 1990 does not say that the person ought to have known that such access was illegal. The provision may have been extended to this effect by case law, but if not, IMO, this renders the law extremely outdated.
  57. Mod down people who bitch aboout "Karma Whores" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give me a break. People should have to log out to be helpful by posting the text of a /.ed article???

  58. This is practically a nobrainer. by mark-t · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Basically, unauthorized access should fall into a similar domain as trespassing, and can probably be defined as follows: Any person who accesses a system for which authorization to access has not been explicitly or implicitly granted either by the owner of the system or by authorities that the owner is obligated, by either law or position, to yield to.

    Note, lack of security does not equate to implicit authorization, since even if my front door is unlocked, if someone I do not want in my home comes in, they are still trespassing, even if I am not *at* home to tell them to get out (although if they steal anything, my insurance may not cover it since I had not shown diligence in taking care to prevent that). If, however, I come home to find this person in my house, even if they have not stolen or tried to steal anything, I can still charge them with trespassing.

    Also note that mere posession of a suitable entry key or password does not equate to authorization, unless that posession is currently recognized as valid by authorized channels.

    1. Re:This is practically a nobrainer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Note, lack of security does not equate to implicit authorization, since even if my front door is unlocked, if someone I do not want in my home comes in, they are still trespassing, even if I am not *at* home to tell them to get out
      People keep making that same analogy. But what if your "home" happens to be right at the corner of a busy intersection, and it looks indistinguisable from a convenience store or city park?

      What people are missing here is that everything on the internet looks like a public place. In the physical world, a city park and a house look different. On the internet, they're both just quads of numbers until after you've already "accessed" whatever's there.

    2. Re:This is practically a nobrainer. by Darren.Moffat · · Score: 1

      The key or password is part of the identifcation which is very different to authorization.

      You can easily be in posession of a key to a lock that is currently recognized as valid identifiation method. That does not imply that you are authorized.

      Taking your own example, if you lose your house key and someone finds it and happens to know that is the key to your house, they have the identifiation information for your house, they may not be authorized to use it. You do not know that your key has been lost so it is still regarded as a valid idenfication. It only becomes an issue if the person who found the key uses it to gain entry to your home - this is the unauthorized access part.

    3. Re:This is practically a nobrainer. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      You evidently didn't read what I said.

    4. Re:This is practically a nobrainer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ack! Think about it.... It's convenient to use the house or physical world analogy, but it's because it falls down evenutally that this paper was written/is debated.

      For exampe:
      1) In the real world, it's obvious to both you and the sranger which is your house. In digital terms, it's not that simple. It's the classic 'you put it on the net, the whole world is invited - maybe' problem. It's fun to just sit back and claim 'Armed response' is easyly justified until you find yourself staring down the barrel of a gun. Ever mistyped a URL?

      2) Your house is of course part of the world, perhaps through the front-door interface, on which you have a mailbox and a few brass implements that people may operate. You apparently forgot that getting to either of them means going across the lawn/path/steps/gate - already on your property, and I think you'd be very lucky to send the mailman to jail for delivering your letter, even if he did step on your beautifully groomed lawn. Even the sign said 'no trespassing', even if you didn't want your bills (I know I don't). Possibly even if the mailman was armed or carrying a crowbar. ;-)

    5. Re:This is practically a nobrainer. by danoatvulaw · · Score: 1

      Basically, unauthorized access should fall into a similar domain as trespassing,

      well, there is already an action for trespass to your computer - trespass to chattels. you can file a civil action against the person who trespassed, provided you can show that they had notice they were not wanted, that they trespassed, and that damages were caused. some courts (here in teh US) have adopted this approach, and have done away with the actual damages requirement, in favor of any damage.

      also, the remainder of your post is 100% correct - just because you have an awful password or protection scheme doesnt mean that anyone has authorization to do whatever they feel like

  59. IF YOU PING ME, I WILL KICK YOUR ASS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's my policy. It's short, simple and easy to understand. It is also extremely satisfying and lawyers are un-necessary.

  60. a difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's one small difference:

    computers rely on automation. If someone accidentally leaves a "private" section of their website unprotected either through oversight or a bug, it's entirely possible, and indeed likely that tools like wget, or a spider could end up there. It would be 100% impossible to prove "unauthorized" access was "intentional", and the tool didn't do anything wrong, just exactly what it was supposed to do.

    I don't think this overall affects your argument, but it does demonstrate some unique cases where access was unauthorized, unintentional, and in many cases, probably "unavoidable". If someone isn't really careful with their security, they could be f*cked before they realize it and (rightly) have no legal recourse against the offender.

    1. Re:a difference by Vaughn+Anderson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually it does apply.

      If someone at a store removes (or forgets to label) a private area of the store a person goes in there, is the person's fault or the stores?

      I figure people our automatons at times enough to fill the same analogy. But if they take something from that room the fact that it was private or not is irrellavant, as it is stealing.

      If someone makes a map to that room and says "go here" (aka, a link) then it's the store's job to lock it down.

      The point you make about security is a matter of damage and stealing, not really access. If you drop a private letter on a public street, I doubt there is a law to protect you from a newspaper publishing your private letter.

      If you drop your security online for a public website then the only thing that you can get for recourses in is damages, not unathorized access, as your site is publicly accessable.

      BUT, my computer, no that is illegal access. A public web site without proper "doors" and "stay out" signs, no that is not illegal access, that is negligence on the part of the site owner. I personally have a real problem with people just walking into my house, even if they don't take anything.

      My website though is out there for the soul purpose to have people see it. If you don't want people to see it, then put a password on it, and then if someone get's in, then it's unathorized access.

      It can't be helped if people don't know how to lock down there site, it's a risk they are taking if they don't, won't or can't secure their site.

    2. Re:a difference by dipierro · · Score: 1

      If you drop a private letter on a public street, I doubt there is a law to protect you from a newspaper publishing your private letter.

      There's copyright law. There's also trespass to chattel, if the newspaper picks the letter up and opens it. There could be trade secret laws, depending on the content of the letter.

      BUT, my computer, no that is illegal access. A public web site without proper "doors" and "stay out" signs, no that is not illegal access, that is negligence on the part of the site owner. I personally have a real problem with people just walking into my house, even if they don't take anything.

      But how can you identify whether the computer is meant to be public (like a store) or private (like a house) without accessing it?

    3. Re:a difference by Vaughn+Anderson · · Score: 1
      There's copyright law. There's also trespass to chattel, if the newspaper picks the letter up and opens it. There could be trade secret laws, depending on the content of the letter.

      Interesting note, I didn't know this. But I really doubt there is a law against anyone "reading" it after they found it, then passing it around to others... which would not be publishing it. Or even more to the point of the original analogy, leaving the letter on the street for the next person to find it and read it.

      Would it then be illegal for the first person to tell other people that that letter is there?

      It seems that if you leave something just sitting around for anyone to look at, then you have no law protecting you if people do look at it. For example, there's case law that says I can use a 55mm (numbers may be off) lens and from the street take pictures of your house and you inside your house. This was defined as legal because the 55mm lens has the same capability to see as the human eye.

      But it is illegal to use a zoom lens. Same goes with businesses and from sidewalks.

      But how can you identify whether the computer is meant to be public (like a store) or private (like a house) without accessing it?

      Well for one super easy test, if you have a domain name pointing to a computer. Bing, instantly label that as public access. (just like the phone book and a business vs private phone) If you want people to come to your computer privately, use an IP address only or password protect your domain name root folder.

      To my knowledge every single communication protocol to access a remote computer requires a login/password. (not talking about web pages here) If this is true, then if you access a computer without a valid login/password (that means it has to be legit, no forgeries or fraud to get it) then it's unauthorised. That makes this all very simple, that computer is not public. If no password is needed (ie web page or P2P, etc..) then public access is limited by default to the parameters of the delivery software, (web server:public html folder, p2p:shared folder, etc...)

      The problem is that lawyers like it complicated so they can have lot's of lawsuits about it. But this is not complicated, also journalists like complex issues to debate and write about, ugh what a pain ... why should we make this a complex issue when it may not be? Isn't this similar to how copyright got mangled into the digital realm by the DMCA?

      I believe the more clear cut the definition the better protected the average guy will be in the court system...

    4. Re:a difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I really doubt there is a law against anyone "reading" it after they found it, then passing it around to others... which would not be publishing it.

      Depends. If the letter is unopened it's almost certainly tresspass to chattel to open it. Just because you dropped the letter on the sidewalk doesn't mean it's no longer your property. For it to legally become the property of the finder the finder would have to hand the property over to the police and wait a certain number of days. Plus it might even be considered a postal offense, if the letter was still unopened.

      Now if the letter was already opened, and you merely read it, it'd probably be much harder to make a case against you.

      Well for one super easy test, if you have a domain name pointing to a computer. Bing, instantly label that as public access.

      Would this only be applicable to second level domain names? Because I have a number of computers pointed to by dynamic dns that I don't want anyone accessing. Also, what if the domain name isn't owned by the person who owns the computer it points to? And what ports then become legitimate to access? HTTP? Telnet? FTP?

      To my knowledge every single communication protocol to access a remote computer requires a login/password.

      Certainly not. There's TFTP, RCP, Anonymous FTP, SMTP, etc.

      I think it's a lot more complicated than you're making it out to be.

      I believe the more clear cut the definition the better protected the average guy will be in the court system...

      Well, that's true. Actually without a clear cut definition you could probably get a ruling overturned as a violation of your due process rights.

    5. Re:a difference by Vaughn+Anderson · · Score: 1
      Not sure if there's a point to replying to an "anon"

      If the letter is unopened it's almost certainly tresspass to chattel to open it.

      Ok, a letter is not a good analogy to a website, let's call it a poster. Then no mail or legal reasons not to inspect it, just like finding a webpage...

      Certainly not. There's TFTP, RCP, Anonymous FTP, SMTP, etc.

      Ok, but don't these systems have to be intentionally setup? And if they are, then the person setting them up must accept that the public, may, can and will access those areas. My computer can't be accessed like that by default, and if I did make it publiclly accessible without a password, I should say to myself in the mirror, "don't be stupid".

      I think it's a lot more complicated than you're making it out to be. Maybe you are right, but there's no reason not to try to simplify it first before adding all the exceptions to the rules.

      I think the biggest key here is defining the most popular modes of access first, web/internet and P2P. P2P mainly because it's going to get into the courts faster than anything else...

    6. Re:a difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that a tool like wget is simply going to follow all paths it comes in contact with. A person can be reasonably expected to understand where they are or are not allowed to go (emphasis on "reasonable") but a recursive web tool is just going to go wherever the links point. I think in a court of law you could argue that a customer ought to have known they aren't allowed to go back where the cash registers are in a video store, but unless you have a robots.txt file or password protecting an area, you can expect wget to end up there.

      The problem is also that wget can't GO anywhere without first downloading each place it's been. That is a BIG difference. If it ends up on the a business' corporate intranet, it could very easily suck down a nice chunk of "proprietary" and "confidential" data. and again, wget was only doing just what it was expected to do. On the other hand, you could very easily find yourself in civil or criminal court if you did this to a company, unwittingly or not. We don't know how it would turn out because it hasn't happened yet, which is the basis of the article.

      But again, I agree with 99% of what you are saying.

    7. Re:a difference by Vaughn+Anderson · · Score: 1

      ok, so basically we have come to the crux of the matter.

      If automatic bots (wget) take data randomly from the net (which I understand they need a link to get somewhere anyways, but we can deal with that later if true) are the owner's of the bot's liable for
      1."stolen IP"
      or
      2. "unauthorized access"
      or possibly both?

      1. The aspect of "stealing" something is a bit of a problem, as like if I made a copy of a novel while still in the store, they probably could kick me out, but if I left and they didn't know about it, unless I did something like pirate the copy, I doubt any lawsuit would hold up.

      So that leaves "unauthorized access" by the bot. (until further debate on item 1)

      2. As I stated before, there should be a basic premis that if something is private that is should be labeled that way or there should be certain obvious flags right off the bat, like no web server running on said computer is an easy one.

      How long before robots go to the store, shop for us and do door to door sales?

      If a robot came into my house, I would be pretty upset, so there should definitely be some containment of how a bot runs. For example as I stated before if we can safely consider the www a public area, then bot's could limit their hunting to www for a very safe, but possibly limited boundry.

      If they do hit IP addresses directly, then they could be set to only recognize web pages and web servers, and ignore all other forms of communication protocol. This is all just as a starting idea.

      But yes, if a bot invades my computer, the owner should be held accountable, as the only bots that I detect hitting my firewall I could safely assume are port scanners looking for doors in to my computer to make it a zombie or worse.. Then at that point a bot is not a bot, but a form of a virus or trojan...

      But as a justice safety possision, if nothing is disturbed on my computer and the owner of the bot could justify the accidental intrusion (aka, I ran a web server on my computer and left some stuff in a folder I shouldn't have) then the bot owner should not be held accountable, just like Google shouldn't be if Madonna left her latest CD in mp3 format on her home page and google finds it there... Modonna's being guilty of negligence then exhonerates google, (not sure if I got all those big words right...)

  61. Popups would be legal by Sloppy · · Score: 1
    If you follow the proposal in this paper, that authorization be defined as circumventing "regulation by code" as opposed to "regulation by contract", then popups would not be illegal.

    The thinking would be: If you don't authorize popups, then why are you running a web browser that intentionally supports popups? The programmers of your browser went to extra trouble and effort to make popups work. If you don't like it, change the behavior of your browser. It's not like someone tricked your browser into displaying the popup, in defiance of its design.

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    As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
    1. Re:Popups would be legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your not authorising ppl to connect to your computer why are you on internet in the first place? it's not like someone tricked your computer to connect to internet...

      Security issue are caused by bad design!

  62. Re:Verbing weirds language by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 1
    Of course, you could look in a real dictionary, like the OED, and see what they have to say. And they say that access as a verb can be traced back to at least 1962, in a comp sci context no less:

    access, v. 1. trans. a. To gain access to (data, etc., held in a computer or computer-based system, or the system itself).

    1962 A. M. ANGEL in M. C. Yovits Large-Capacity Memory Techniques for Computing Systems 150 Through a system of binary-coded addresses notched into each card, a particular card may be accessed for read and write operations.
    Mom was an english teacher during the period that this particular bit of linguistic evolution was happening. I fully realize that I'm fighting a long-since lost battle, but it's one of the perversions of the languange that I'm unwilling to accept.

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  63. Unauthorized access by nuggz · · Score: 1

    Some people think that accessing their open web server unauthorized access. This is not reasonable.

    I think anything not clearly identified as private should be authorized on a public network.

    If I walk to someones front door who has no signs informing me this is unacceptable, and ring the doorbell I do not think I'm tresspassing.
    Same for a computer.

    1. Re:Unauthorized access by Elvisisdead · · Score: 1

      Ringing the doorbell is one thing. Opening the door and walking around is another. For that matter, would you just assume that you could walk into whatever building you wanted because there isn't a sign that says, "Dude, I don't know you. Go Away." Well, you might. I don't know.

      The lack of a sign that says "No Trespassing" won't keep you from getting shot when you trespass.

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    2. Re:Unauthorized access by Keith+McClary · · Score: 1

      Ringing the doorbell is one thing. Opening the door and walking around is another. For that matter, would you just assume that you could walk into whatever building you wanted because there isn't a sign that says, "Dude, I don't know you. Go Away." Well, you might. I don't know.

      The lack of a sign that says "No Trespassing" won't keep you from getting shot when you trespass.

      Where I live (not in the "Land of the Free") you would normally walk into any
      unrestricted public (government) or private building without
      worrying about getting shot.

  64. great quote by murdocj · · Score: 1

    The article is well worth reading, just for the following quote:

    When Fugarino learned that another employee had been hired at the company, Fugarino became enraged, telling another employee that the company's code was "his product, that no one else was going to work on his code, that nobody was going to take his place and that he was 'going to take his code with him."

    Sounds like a fun guy to work with.

  65. the TCP Handshake grants you permission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny


    SYN: (may I access this tcp port?)
    SYN ACK: (sure go ahead!)
    ACK: (thanks!)

    1. Re:the TCP Handshake grants you permission by grahammm · · Score: 1

      Often followed by a message welcoming you to whatever server it is.

  66. When peolpe access his personal information... by Tiger+Smile · · Score: 1

    ...will he think it's okay.

    At what time does he think people should access his machine, his PC, and look though his files. The information contained in there could be personal and damnaging for others to know.

    A popup add is one thing. The page you are viewing put that there. It's part of the whole package you have requested. That's your fault.

    I cannot put it any better than the fourth ammendment. He in the US we are unique. We have rights. Yes, rights, not privileges. These rights cannot be set aside legally.

    We of the US are not "lucky" to have these rights, we demand them. Once we stop our demanding they'll disapear faster than can blink. We through our contract with our governing bodies, the Constitution, give the government some powers, the states some powers, reserve some rights, and reserve all other power for the people.

    I cannot put it better than the fourth ammendment, so I'll post it here.

    Forth Ammendment

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrents shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmantion, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the person or things to be seized.

    Take care, and protect your rights. Anything not maintained will fall into disrepair. Keep our rights from falling into disrepair.

    -- James Dornan

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  67. No attempt to dissect what is actually happening by gsfprez · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Like we talked about before with regards to "breaking into" a Wi-Fi network and using bandwitdh that is attached to the Wi-Fi network (wired or unwired).... these things are much simpler, ans FAR less confusing if you get to the actual bits of the matter. They also, sometimes, allow one to use real-world anaologies of law.. such as breaking and entering. Their downfall (or greatness, depending on what side you take) is that they, in the end, place responsibility of the proprety owners to know - karnally - what is going on with what they bought.

    I think few people would gripe with the idea of sniffing packets and forging MAC addresses and passwords to gain access onto a Wi-Fi base station as "unauthorized access" if the Wi-Fi base station hs MAC address access lists and uses WEP - regardless of how ipss-por they are in providing ACTUAL security ... you clearly have intent of the 3rd party to gain "unauthorized access" because they are doing the equivalent of lock picking - hacking tumblers with a non-key to fake an authorized key.

    But what of the "Linksys" Wi-Fi base stations that are set to defaults which purposefully hand out IPS and DHCP licenses? Or websites with no passwords that provide any file with a simple HTTP GET request? Or SMTP servers that happily forward any SMTP request without passwords or IP filters?

    What is happening in each of these cases - open base stations with DHCP servers, open websites, and open SMTP relays is that, at the actual protocol levles, each of THESE cases is a slam dunk.

    If i request a DHCP lease, and the open base station gives me a IP and a lease, then, by definition, i have no gained access in an unauthorized manner. That person's equpiment functioned properly, within bounds, and GAVE me access. If you GIVE someone access, by definition, its not unauthorized.

    If i request a URL with a HTTP GET, and the server happily sends me a file that was in a directry that was not "meant" to be opened - that person's equipment GAVE me access, and just like in real life, if i ASK for access, and you GIVE it to me, then that access is AUTHORIZED.

    Some of these cases in the whitepaper are foolish and would have been overturned if the RFCs got busted out..

    in the case of Explorica, i could have kicked their ass. The RFCs clearly state that web services cannot be demanded, they cannot be stolen, they are requested with a GET, and the request is either accepted or not. If EF didn't want to have their prices undercut, then wtf did they put them on a public webpage? Explorica REQUESTED information - and EF's computers GRANTED it... all according to the protocols... all according to the rules.

    If i to a properly formatted and non-corrupted HTTP GET, and you SEND me the data - there is no legal case of me GAINING "access of any kind".. i didn't REQUEST ACCESS .. i requested data - and you gave it to me.. be it a letter, a picture named "45728.jpg", the comany's secret files improperly stored on a website...

    If you and I are on the train, and i ask you for all your money, and you give it to me... what are the possible circumstances...

    1. I am a robber, and i threaten you with a gun or a knife or with some form of physical threat... so you give me the money under duress.

    2. I am a begger, and i do not threaten you in any way. You give me all your money freely.

    In example 1- i am violating protocol... i am threatening you. in example 2 - i violate no protocol, and in no way threaten you, you decision to give me all your money, while perhapse foolish and stupid on your part - is you free will.

    open websites, open wi-fi base stations, and smtp relays are ALL example 2. There is a protocol - in all cases clearly laid out in RFCs... and as long as the protocol is followed without any modificaiton, and yet YOU GIVE ME DATA.... there cannot be any crime.

    just as there is no crime in giving a person money on a train, so long as there is no violati

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  68. Re:Verbing weirds language by hazem · · Score: 1

    I fully realize that I'm fighting a long-since lost battle, but it's one of the perversions of the languange that I'm unwilling to accept.

    Please don't take this way off-topic message as a personal affront, as it's not meant as one.

    My impression is that english is a living, growing language. At what point in time, then, do you say something is English or not? 1600? 1900? For example, the "plane" you referred to earlier was first used to describe a vehicle of flight in 1908.

    And of course there is the "problem" of deciding what gets "accepted" as proper language. I'm not sure a democratic method is necessarily best. For example, "have got" as in "I have got three cars." seems to be acceptable now because of its common use. That makes me cringe every time I hear it!

    Going back to "plane", you can in fact plane something. That is to make it flat, as in a carpenter planing a piece of wood. The wings of the first airplanes were flat, which gave the craft its name. This noun for the word is surely newer than the verb.

  69. Re:Verbing weirds language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Newer than a mathematically defined plane? I doubt it.

  70. they bust people for that all that all the time by zogger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...they call it various things but falls roughly under "maintaining a public nusiance" or some such. You don't even have to be aware of it, or you can claim stupid, and it doesn't matter. Hmm, for instance, having a full swimming pool with no fence around it, some kid falls in, whoops! It's happened to people. I could see it easily applied to running a totally unsecured computer that is used as a spammer relay or zombie machine in an attack.

    AND THEN, in turn, once clueless computer owner gets shafted, THEY can turn around and sue the OS distributor for selling an operating system that installs broken,and is wide open. Using the same law.

    THAT would sort these things out a bit.

    Just as a matter of discussion, I'd class millions of wide open computers out there as a major public nusiance. People who aren't consciously running a server by choice-shouldn't be running a server! It's a completely simple and logical concept.

    I'm not saying the law is 100% correct or "fair" in that regard, but the case law and precedent is out there in spades. Not sure if it was ever applied to computers though, but it would be an interesting case if it occurred. Follow culpability and "who suffers". Why should innocent person A suffer because computer user B allowed his machine to be used by haxor C in an attack? And I don't mean a really exotic take over situation, I mean using computers that ship and install with extremely insecure OS and apps that are obviously "too loose" for someone who isn't a server? Anyway, an argument along those grounds.

  71. War Driving by Mistlefoot · · Score: 1

    So what you mean to say is that if I hook a wireless router up and someone drives by my house and uses my network - which is now legal in some states - they are within the law, but I am breaking it since they are using my router to connect a 3rd computer to my isp? (my isp allows 2 by default).

    Laws will get messy.

    Or how about I connect my check my email from my palm pilot through my computer....is it now a network?

    Messy.

    Messy.

    Messy.

    1. Re:War Driving by Surak · · Score: 1

      So what you mean to say is that if I hook a wireless router up and someone drives by my house and uses my network - which is now legal in some states - they are within the law, but I am breaking it since they are using my router to connect a 3rd computer to my isp? (my isp allows 2 by default).

      It depends on the laws of the state in particular, but possibly yes. :) The problem, as the author states, is that no one has defined properly what unauthorized access is. And a law that would allow the wardriver to connect might even be in contradiction to laws regarding unauthorized access.

      The problem is that none of these recent laws have been tested properly in court at this level of distinction. The laws either need to be rewritten -- as the author states -- or they will be tested in court before a judge and jury with little technical background to be able to make such decisions.

  72. You missed the point of the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not always true, and that's where a lot of problems arise in the law, because undefined terms are subject to vagaries of interpretation. There are many examples in the law, for example, check out the HIPAA statute and regulations some time, there are REAMS of undefined terms in those. (One example: certain elements of the HIPAA Privacy Rule are waived in the case of an "emergency", but the federal agency which wrote the Rule has flatly refused to define the term "emergency". Another example: The HIPAA Privacy Rule governs medical "assessments", but doesn't define what those are, and the term "assessment" has a different meaning in a medical context when used by doctors, than it does in regular parlance. Yet another example: The HIPAA rules allow disclosures of that subset of an individual's private health information by a facility (such as a hospital) which represents the individual's "general condition". Once again, the term is not defined, and noone knows if that means things like "critical", "serious", "guarded", etc. and whether a hospital is allowed to release information about a patient's death. The term is simply undefined, with no intention to define it. This happens all too frequently in the law, and causes a host of problems). The article's author was pointing out that oftentimes the term "unauthorized access" is not defined or is defined in a vague manner, leading to difficulties with interpretation.

  73. Applying legal solutions to technical problems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More and more, I'm starting to think the law should just butt out when it comes to technical problems. How much different would the technological landscape look if administrators were fully liable for failing to secure their server? How much different would OSes look if the OS vendor was responsible for infection?

    I think we'd all be a lot more secure.

  74. Why should this be difficult? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Let's see what the dictionary has to say about it:

    unauthorized - not endowed with authority, without official authorization.

    Hmm..okay. And this is ambiguous how, exactly? I'm sure you could bring up all sorts of bullshit arguments ("just because I have a webserver running on port 80 doesn't mean I want people to visit my webiste," et. al.), but the truth is that everyone knows exactly what it means. It means that you're not supposed to hack into a computer and poke around in people's business..in fact you're not supposed to hack into a computer at all, unless it's your own. And hey, if it is your own, you already have "authorization."

    1. Re:Why should this be difficult? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So is knocking on a closed door unauthorized?

      How 'bout if you stood in line at a club, showed your ID, and you were sent away -- is that unauthorized access because you bothered the bouncer?

      Or in both cases, do you actually have to get in for it to be "unauthorized access?"

  75. Bingo! by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1
    only it's more like going to a retail shop, where you have the expectation to be allowed to enter, but without an Open/Closed sign on the door.

    A server on the internet is like a retail shop at the mall, It's there to be entered! Now, at the mall, sometimes, stores open before the "offical" hours. Hence, if the door is open, you can't get in trouble for going in--often there isn't a "sign" to say open or closed.

    Also, there's lots of doors at the mall that are marked "Authorized Personel Only" and sometimes doors that aren't marked are still locked. In a very small case, of unlocked, unmarked doors but if you enter, the security guard will let you know to leave and someone ELSES ass will fry. Trying to pry a lock or enter a marked door will quickly get you scolded, maybe arrested if you don't comply--but there is a strong legal precedent for diligence of locking and marking in a public place. This isn't at all like entering your house.

    What you have right now are old, loud-mouthed, corperate executives that want to have "internet" access to be "cool" but don't want to be responsible to understand how to use it--and too cheap to pay someone to do it properly! They immediately are getting the law involved instead of following a few simple instructions. And, unfortunately, the Law is all to ready to get it's fingers in our business! Looking at the ridiculous claims that prosecutors have been filing, it looks to be more of the "old Boy" network rather than working to make the systems work better and with more understanding of the rules. It's the typical selfish, egotistical mess [like the *IAA,and like] accelerated at internet speed!

  76. Send feedback to his e-mail address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  77. Give Feedback by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a golden opportunity to provide feedback where it might really make a difference. According to Professor Kerr's Curriculum Vitae , he will be a Law Clerk for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Kennedy for the October 2003 term.

  78. Regulation by code by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I think that "regulation by code" could still be vague.

    Suppose I write an email containing a script that on one particular mailreader, will be executed if someone reads it. The mailreader does this on purpose; it's not a bug, it's just really naive design. The author of the program thought it would be really k3wl to execute scripts automatically.

    The script will display an animation demoing my penis-enlarger product, and it will send an email back to me if the animation runs to completion, so that I will know which recipients watched the whole ad.

    I mail the above message to a bunch of people who are on my penis-enlarger opt-in list. Yes, they actually requested information about penis-enlargers, although they never said anything suggesting that they consent to me running scripts on their machines. I'm not spamming, but my inclusion of the script is slimey, and what the script does surely counts as "access."

    • Most of my recipients are running a mailreader that doesn't automatically execute scripts, so my email has no effect except to use some disk space. Or maybe some of them even run filters that drop my mail before it gets stored.
    • Person A is running the mail client that I designed the script for, and it executes the script. It runs, and then reports back to me he let the animation run to completion. Person A is amused by the animation, though probably doesn't realize everything the script did.

      If I understand correctly, since there is no attempt as "regulation by code" in this situation (the mail reader runs scripts on purpose, not as a bug), then what I did, wasn't without authorization. No crime here, right?

    • Person B also runs that same mailreader, but the mail exchange for his domain, filters out all mail that contains the word "penis." So he never got it and it never even had a chance to run. No crime here.
    • Person C has the same kind of filter, but his filter is misconfigured, and it fails to stop my mail. Again: the exchange is intended to filter, but it's not working correctly. I don't know why. I didn't even know he had a filter. But it's there. I didn't do anything (so far as I know) that influenced whether or not my mail would get through the filter, but it did. Person C's workstation executes my script, and he is annoyed.

      Did I circumvent "regulation by code" with person C?

    • Person D has a filter, but I already suspected that he might have one and that it might filter out messages containing the word "penis." I change that one word in my mail to a synonym and it gets through his filter and executes. I took an active and deliberate (but speculative) measure to bypass a filter that I though may or may not be there. Gee, what a lame filter.

      Did I circumvent "regulation by code" with person D?

    • Person E's filter has a bug that will pass any message that is a multiple of 666 bytes long. Otherwise, it aggressively blocks any mail that contains a script or the name of a body part. I know for certain that he has this filter and I know about the bug, so I pad my message to a multiple of 666 bytes, thereby willfully exploiting the bug and it gets through and executes. Person E is furious.

      There was code intended to prohibit exactly the kind of crap that I was pulling, but I got around it, in defiance of the code and person E's desire. He wanted my ad, but sure didn't want me to run a script on his machine, especially one that mailed me back to say whether or not he watched the ad.

    Surely I crossed the line on person E. I'm not so sure about persons C and D.

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  79. Re:No attempt to dissect what is actually happenin by gsfprez · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    holy shit.

    the next time i have something insightful to write, i'll fscking spell check and grammar and english check it.

    sorry about that... i'm at work, and i got pulled away to do something, and i just hit submit without reviewing it.

    my apologies. Hell, i'll rewrite it in my response to the lawyer who wrote the article. And, i'll actually cut and past from the RFCs to prove my point.

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  80. Several points by aldousd666 · · Score: 1
    Since when does ignorance of the law make you any less guilty of offending it? If I don't know the speed limit, and I speed, I still get a ticket. If I don't know I'm not allowed by campus policy to use a university student's machine as a spam proxy, and I do it, I should likewise be punished for it.

    Another thing, how are these people getting away with storing data on machines and downloading secret documents because they 'aren't depriving the owners of their use' If I download software, leaving it intact on the server, I may have deprived the owner of a trade secret (I thought that for sure a lawyer would have seen that one!) Also, accessing private data, even though it's only to satisfy my curiosity could be construed as 'depriving the owner of sole ownership' which may or may not be critical. You don't need a new law to tell you that.

    Conversly, even using some clock cycles 'deprives' someone of something. (even one or two) So a port scan could also be considered theft. (Not saying that I agree with that, but that's the way it looks to me) If I'm wasting clock cycles responding to port queries, or ICMP traffic, that's a DOS attack, plain and simple. I could be using my processor for better things. This was easier to see when all we had were 56 k modems all over the place.

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    1. Re:Several points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand, if you don't know the speed limit because the correct signs weren't placed at the start of the limit (or were at the time of the alleged offence missing, completely covered in foilage or turned around so that the limit cannot be seen) then you might be found not guilty (http://www.abd.org.uk/speed_limit_signs.htm). So perhaps computer networks SHOULD warn off or ward off intruders...

    2. Re:Several points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like so many others, you're basing this on the assumption that the law already exists, that the law already is clear, and the law can be applied to the digital world. Judging from the /. response alone, it's nowhere close.

      Speeding is more complex - legally - than one may think. For example, emergency vehicles may violate a speed-limit and can even go through red lights. It's regulated with all sorts of guidelines and conditions, and let's just say there is no major problem with it.

      But are you seriously saying that this translates, so that a paramedic has the right to DoS one server in order to email a lifesaving message?

    3. Re:Several points by aldousd666 · · Score: 1

      I guess speeding wasn't exactly a good example, but then again, I guess that's what the point of this article was. I'm no lawyer, so I guess maybe in this light, ignorance could be an excuse for breaking the law. (?) That doesn't sound right, but I don't have all the answers, nor do I claim to.

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  81. Passive Access by Sloppy · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Yet another nit: he defines "access" in a way that is always active: someone sends a command to a computer. Passive access is unaddressed. I wonder if this is intentional.

    If I park my car on the public street in front of your house or business and sniff your unencrypted 802.11 traffic, many people might say that counts as access. But not by his definition.

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    1. Re:Passive Access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ya - I know you don't want me to sniff your 802.11 packets. So don't send them into my house ok?

      I don't send my garbage your way so don't send it my way eh?

    2. Re:Passive Access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your WiFi card is actively sending information to the access point, or at least needed to when it joined the network. His definition fits your statement just fine.

  82. What is unauthorized access? by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1
    This is what I have so far... comments welcome.
    1. A computer exists ("computer1")
    2. Computer is equipped with the programmed ("logical") or physical (by means of a barrier, physical security device, or enclosure [such as a room]) ability to deny or restrict access to data2
      1. Physical barrier is compromised by or through:
      2. The use of force
      3. The use of deceptive language, practices, or other means (example: "Social Engineering3") whereby physical access to computer is obtained by a party not expressly authorized4 to have or gain access to said computer
    3. Logical barrier is compromised by or through:
      1. Attachment to a physical communication medium used by one or more computers in "private communication5", by a device or entity that is not a party to the private communication, or has not been authorized to become party to the private communication An exception to this item would be the use of an interception or monitoring device that reveals only the source and destination of the private communication, characteristics of the packet or datagram being communicated privately, or other "control information" which is not part of the actual information being communicated within the packet or datagram
      2. Compromising encrypted communication between one or more computers by any device or entity not expressly authorized to be a party to the encrypted communication, by means of causing the encryption to become disabled or degraded, or decrypting the communication
      3. Causing any private communication between one or more computers to be directed to a device or intercepted by a device or entity not expressly authorized to be a party to the private communication An exception to this item would be the use of an interception or monitoring device that reveals only the source and destination of the private communication, characteristics of the packet or datagram being communicated privately, or other "control information" which is not part of the actual information being communicated within the packet or datagram
      4. The disclosure to any party not expressly authorized to be party to any communication between any computer or computers in private communication, by any device or entity not party to the private communication
    4. Computer is not equipped with a physical or logical barrier and:
      1. Communication is initiated with the computer by any other computer not authorized to initiate communication with the subject computer, whereby access to information within the subject computer is obtained, excluding:
      2. Banners
      3. Welcomes
      4. Legal notices
      5. Disclaimers
      6. Login prompts, challenges, or the name of the computer
      7. Packets which are designed to communicate status or availability information
      8. The properties of the computer (excluding password or access properties, unless the operator of the source computer has allowed these properties to be available, intentionally or unintentionally)
      9. Communication is initiated that:
      10. Disables the source computer
      11. Causes the source computer to become unresponsive
    1. Computer: a programmable electronic device that can store, retrieve, and process data (courtesy Merriam-Webster)
    2. Information as it pertains to the computer as a concept, with regard to a specific computer's ability or property to control access to said information or manipulation of said information
    3. Process by which access is gained through deceptive means involving the revelation of information by a trusted party
    4. Given permission by a party that can legally be verified to be in ownership of the computer or information in question, that person's direct designees (by or through written or programatic acceptance [limited to uniquely identifyable persons or computers]) to communicate with a computer by means of physical, verbal, visual, p
  83. quit being silly. by twitter · · Score: 1
    There's a huge difference between a pop up and rooting someone's box. You request pop ups, you don't go out and find a cracker to break your computer and have their way with it.

    Your browser is configured to request that pop-up. It might not be nice and you might not like it, but you turned over the rock the pop up was sitting under.

    The rooted Red Hat box did not go out and request a rooting. The user, if they followed the install, made a difficult to guese password for root to prevent people from doing this. A cracker must seek out and trick such a computer to take it over.

    The case of someone using the flaws in a browser to do nasty things is just the same as cracking the computer and should be distinguished from a "legitimate" unrequested popup window full of advertising shit. Gator and other crap like that does indeed fit the unauthorized use model. It's installed by trick, it's a fruadulent, unrequested and abusive use of a computer and should be condemed as one. Someone said it was like helping youself to the bathroom in your host's house. No, it and regular old cracking, is more like entering without permission and then pissing on your host's bed.

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  84. Machines are irrelevant. Look at the people by Jerf · · Score: 1

    The whole problem here is that people are looking at these things the wrong way, from the get go. The point is not the machines, the point is the impact on people. Try to define things in terms of the technology and you are inevitably and irrevocably drawn into exactly the problems you describe, and there is no way out of them.

    Machines don't matter. Technology doesn't matter. Only people do.

    1. Re:Machines are irrelevant. Look at the people by Surak · · Score: 1

      Hey, now there's someone who actually *GETS* what I'm trying to say. You've just restated explicity my entire point that I was trying to make implicitly.

      Thank you. :)

  85. Consent is a slippery issue by werdna · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the case of Explorica, I could have kicked their ass. The RFCs clearly state that web services cannot be demanded, they cannot be stolen, they are requested with a GET, and the request is either accepted or not.

    Sounds good on Slashdot, but this is terrible legal advice.

    Interestingly, the CFAA, and not the RFC is the law of the nation. The generalization fails, in both extreme and ordinary cases -- a person who serially guesses passwords until he succeeds has passed the passwd protocol, but has also hacked the machine to obtain unauthorized access -- this is not because of protocols, but because of the understanding that the password process is intended to be a gate.

    Hypos can be built around HTTP scenarios that also use common sense understanding that some requests are ok, but others are verboten. YES, ABSOLUTELY, routine browsing can rarely create a CFAA claim, and in large part, I would argue from RFCs to show an implied consent to access information through routine protocols, but implied consents can be withdrawn -- and knowing entries where you are not wanted will be actionable AND criminal in appropriate cases, even if all you did was execute an HTTP GET.

    The question is not really a technical one - nor is it even a purely legal one. It is a question of common sense and normative behavior. Was your conduct consented to, expressly or impliedly, and was the consent somehow vitiated by subsequent facts. It requires not a read of RFC's alone, but a review of the totality of the circumstances.

    Social policy is more tricky than any simple mantra.

  86. anyone else misread.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that line near the top as:

    "GNU Law School, Public Law Research Paper No. 65"?

    for a moment i thought what the..

  87. Just what kind of dumbass question is this? by SpacePunk · · Score: 1

    Questions like this that are tossed out into the ether that is known as the 'net' {or whatever particular thing anybody wishes to call it} are comletely assinine. It lists right up there with 'e'this and 'i'that. Questions like this pretend that what's wrong/right changes if a computer or the internet is involved.

    Unauthorized access boils down to this, just like in the real world...

    If your not invited... stay out.
    If it's not public... stay out.
    If it's not yours, and you dont' have permission to enter... stay out.
    If it's locked... stay out - don't pick the damn lock.

    There's no fucking difference in applicability of unauthorized access between the 'real world' and computers/interent/etc...

    It's not a huge philosophical question.

    1. Re:Just what kind of dumbass question is this? by cdn-programmer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes it is a good question.

      Is it legal for you to ring your neighbours' doorbell? Technically it is trespassing. So when is trespassing not trespassing eh?

      If you pop into one of my webservers are you accessing the computer in an "authorized" fashion? How do you know if I'm technically competant enuf to configure it so the people who should have access do have access and the ones who shouldn't have access don't?

      If I have my winders file shares open - are you "authorized" to pop in for a look?

      I say "YES". I know a person who deliberatly opened her shares because she wanted people to get at her music.

      Yet another person who I called who had open shares claimed I hacked the computer. So much for trying to be a nice guy to these idjots.

      Actually - on that phone call to tell them the shares were wide open - another person found out I did this and accused me of trying to get someone fired! I mean the bullshit factor is really deep sometimes.

      Its like some people are so stupid that they will walk down the street with their damn dicks hanging out and if some one tells them their fly is open - that person is accused of being a peeping tom!

      So - this is a good question.

    2. Re:Just what kind of dumbass question is this? by SpacePunk · · Score: 1

      "Is it legal for you to ring your neighbours' doorbell? Technically it is trespassing. So when is trespassing not trespassing eh?"

      In the case of a doorbell it's not particularly illegal to ring one. It IS illegal to ring one, and if the door isn't answered to pick the lock on the door.

      "If you pop into one of my webservers are you accessing the computer in an "authorized" fashion? How do you know if I'm technically competant enuf to configure it so the people who should have access do have access and the ones who shouldn't have access don't?"

      It doesn't matter. As with the door, if it's left unlocked it's still trespass, and in some jurisdictions it's breaking and entering.

      "If I have my winders file shares open - are you "authorized" to pop in for a look?"

      No, as with the door above.

      "I say "YES". I know a person who deliberatly opened her shares because she wanted people to get at her music."

      She basically left the door open and hung out a "c'mon in" sign.

      "Yet another person who I called who had open shares claimed I hacked the computer. So much for trying to be a nice guy to these idjots."

      You didn't hack into his computer, but you were uninvited, trespasser.

      "Actually - on that phone call to tell them the shares were wide open - another person found out I did this and accused me of trying to get someone fired! I mean the bullshit factor is really deep sometimes."

      That person was an idiot. Kravitses(sp) are all around us.

      "Its like some people are so stupid that they will walk down the street with their damn dicks hanging out and if some one tells them their fly is open - that person is accused of being a peeping tom!"

      What are you doing looking at peoples dicks?

      "So - this is a good question."

      Nope

    3. Re:Just what kind of dumbass question is this? by mikey573 · · Score: 1

      > Is it legal for you to ring your neighbours' doorbell? Technically it is trespassing. So when is trespassing not trespassing eh?

      In the spirit of what the author of the article wrote: pressing the doorbell is sending a command to a computer (the doorbell mechanism) which then executes the command successfully (makes a noise). Such an action is exercising "access". This kind of access is authorized since the person ringing the doorbell does not deal with a restriction really of any kind (like a password ... that's what the lock on your door is for). If a homeowner doesn't want to deal with doorbell pushing, he/she must put up a restriction to deny user access rights. For example, you have a gate on your property to stop trespassing, or you put a throttle on your doorbell to prevent it from rining more than once in 30 seconds, or better yet you have a timer on your doorbell so someone can't wake you in the middle of the night. Don't forget finger recognition software built in the button, or attack dogs that only allow friends close enough to the button.

      Overall, ringing a doorbell is not a criminal action if you as a home owner leave it wide open to be used.

  88. best quote from the full article: by s4m7 · · Score: 1

    "The computer has not agreed to let the defendant access the computer. Instead, the computer is tricked into letting the defendant access the computer through a misrepresentation...[t]he computer may "believe" that the user is someone else, ... may be tricked into unwittingly giving access...both cases reveal fraud in the factum"

    IANAL, but this looks like one of the most logical approaches to the subject I've ever had the pleasure of skimming.
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  89. Re: Unauthorized Access - A Republican definition. by Uncle+Charlie · · Score: 1

    If you own a PC and attempt to access the internet to do anything, your a criminal. PERIOD.

  90. Unask the question... by SaXisT4LiF · · Score: 1

    I mail the above message to a bunch of people who are on my penis-enlarger opt-in list. Yes, they actually requested information about penis-enlargers, although they never said anything suggesting that they consent to me running scripts on their machines. I'm not spamming, but my inclusion of the script is slimey, and what the script does surely counts as "access."

    However, the only plausable explaination for there being penis-enlarger mail in my box is that someone else opt'ed me on to the list.

    I must commend Mozilla's "Junk" filters for doing an excellent job of keeping my inbox clean from this kind of stuff.

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  91. Just what we needed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just what we need. Another lawyer offering their "expertise" and thereby adding more FUD to our society. How about this for an issue paper topic "Imagine a world without lawyers" anyone on /. want to take a shot at that one ;-)

  92. This is probably an urban myth by Helevius · · Score: 1
    This thread from 1990 may be the first public posting of this story. Even then no one could produce an actual case to substantitate it. Someone remembers a "DDN bulletin" and having to patch their VMS boxes to remove the "Welcome" part of the login banner.

    Another thread in alt.folklore.computers gives another example where "welcome" banners are mentioned:

    From: EXE April 1992 v6 n10 p46
    Process Communications Ltd. (UK)
    Are hackers really criminals? (the UK Computer Misuse Act)
    David Martin

    "...a shop steward had been using a computer system in the middle of the night. The shop steward had already got an account of his own. However, by use of a password used by his daughter, he accessed information that he was not required, by his job, to be able to access. The Tribunal decided that although the employer should have defined exactly the extent of access permitted, any reasonable person would have realized that this was unauthorised [sic] access. A computer system manager should therefore ensure that any Welcome banner states that if the user does not have explicit permission to access the computer system and use it for an explicitly permitted set of actions, he should log out."

    Apparently this has mutated over the years into the story told by people who don't bother to check their sources!

    Helevius

  93. Bubba Opinion by Arbogast_II · · Score: 1

    By choosing to use Internet Explorer ( a nice browser ), the user agrees to accept popups in default mode. Mozilla ( another nice browser ), for example, is a browser that allows the user not to execute popups, with an easy switch of settings. Cant say as I am familiar with other browsers, but it seems it is a user choice whether or not you view popups, and nobody elses fault.

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  94. Goes to convention by sjames · · Score: 1

    This goes to convention which is not very well established for the net, and certainly not well legally established for the net.

    For example, by accepted convention, a place of business that is not locked or marked closed may be freely entered (permission implied) while in the case of a residence, that same action is tresspassing. This is based on convention and interpretation of the owner's most probable permission.

    On the net today, it is fairly safe to guess that a server with an open relay is NOT meant as an invitation to send out spam (unless the 220 message says send all the spam you want). It may or may not be an invitation to send an email to a friend. It is most likely not intentionally open, much like when someone forgets to lock the door when they leave home.

  95. It really isn't that hard! by keller · · Score: 1

    Just check whether the Evil Bit is set or not!

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