> I used to get over 500 spams a day, > and now am down to avg about 100 spams > a day. I filter them all out and I > really don't see what the big deal > is at all.
Few facts:
The ISP I worked for had ~30k accounts. Assuming 100 spam per day that's 3 million extra messages per day or 34 spam per second. That takes a fair ammount of processing power. Thus you help the isp pay for a big machine rather than just a nice x86 running linux (we had ours on a 'little' 4 processor sun box with a few gigs of ram.)
In practice almost all spam average between ~750 bytes and 2 kb. At 1 kb each that's about 3 gigs of data transfer DAILY. Data lines aren't extremely expensive, but they're far from cheap and they need to be redundent, now you are getting to pay for A) Initial extra line cost, B) Reoccuring line charges. Not to mention that constant influx of spam is eating YOUR bandwidth out of the isp, normally this isn't an issue, but at peak hours between ordering a new line and it getting installed this can have a very profound effect... and god forbid that someone in your segment spams from a good connection... kiss your bandwidth goodbye.
The charges pass directly down, we considered lowering our prices several times and I know at LEAST once it delayed us being able to lower our price for close to a six months because we needed the extra money to pay for another line and hardware.
None of that stuff is a big deal, I really don't have anything better to spend my money on.
I want to keep having shit I don't need, want, or like show up in my mail. I also want to waste more time filtering out spam on my end. At my hourly wage I've already spent ~100$ making filters and setting up rules and filters in 2 months.
Not to mention the entirely inappropriate items that show up in children's mail.
You can't see why this annoys people?
I worked as a spam admin for 3 years, and I've heard every lie, excuse, and pile of bullshit possible from spammers, in the end all it comes down to is, they want to get rich quick and don't care who they hurt doing so.
Honestly, I think spamming should be a capital punishment... and I don't even support capital punishment for murder... and no, I'm not joking either.
Our ISP canned #2 and #3. #1 was dealt with through a blacklist of servers/ip ranges and use of RBL. A customer is responsible for all computers on their network, we made that clear when they signed up, if they have a misconfigured daemon that allows people to voilate the TOS from their machine... sorry. Not our customer any longer.
... willing to receive spam if I received.01 per mail... at my present receipt rate I would be making between.79 and 3.29 a day... for a net total of 288.35 and 1200.85 a year. That would be perfectly acceptable totals for having to deal with writing new filters to keep junking the crap.
... MOO & MOO2. However, MOO3 is pathetic. The AI for your side can't be turned off, it doesn't take your order, etc. The game was better when there was a graphical representation of numbers rather than this spreadsheet presentation. I was very disappointed. I hope one of the future patches correct this./emote looks at his mothballed fleet of 1100 troop carriers he didn't request, want, or even potentially use.
Check out http://www.quartertothree.com for a good review.
bad form is a maintenance coders nightmare regardless of language. The stricter languages can be written in as poor a form as any given script language. I've had to maintain some c and java code that could easily have been entered in an ob* code contest.
My perl code looks better than 90% of peoples java code... easy to read, well documented, modular, etc.
A coworker of mines java code is about as readable as a foreign language to an alien.
Shrug, don't put off on a language what is entirely in the realm of the individual developer.
and realistically, if you are a crack c/c++/java programmer, the time it's going to take you to decode a perl program is miniscule for the most part unless someone was intentionally obfuscating it.
The last two companies I've worked for have had the graphics design teams on PCs actually... and the more graphics peeps I talk to on a regular basis the more it seems they're starting to lean towards PCs. Fact of it is, most university programs teach using PCs now, so that is what the user is most familar with after they graduate and what they end up using...
Spam is worse, I'm up to ~260 a day across 6 accounts. As soon as any given account is given to any person/site but a direct friend who you explicitly tell "do not enter this on any website anywhere (and provided they listen)." you start getting spam and it just escalates... I had one "clean" address, gave it out ONE time for a business reason, and it started getting spam within a week... two weeks later it was up to 4-5 a week, now its up to 10-12 a week. Pisses me off significantly.
Motherboard - ASUS P4G8X DELUXE 216.90 Processor - Intel Pentium 4 HT 3.06GHz 619.00 Ram - 512MB DDR400 PC3200 CORSAIR DDR cL2 155.00 Ram - 512MB DDR400 PC3200 CORSAIR DDR cL2 155.00 Hard Disk 1 - EIDE 200.0GB 7200 RPM 8MB CACHE 255.00 Hard Disk 2 - EIDE 200.0GB 7200 RPM 8MB CACHE 255.00 Video Card - PNY GeForce FX 399.00 Sound Card - Creative Audigy2 Platinum 162.85 CD-RW - Lite On 52x24x52x CD-RW 52.00 DVD - Lite On 16x DVD, 48x CD-ROM 34.50 Ethernet - 3Com 3C905C-TX 23.00 Speakers - Creative Inspire 6.1 6600 110.00 Floppy - Teac 1.44 Floppy Drive 12.00 Keyboard/Mouse - Microsoft Wireless Optical KB/M 82.00 Case - Lian-Li PC-60 USB Alum Case 120.00 Power Supply - Antec TRUE550 Power Supply 105.95 Monitor - Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2060u 890.99 Total Intel - $3648.19 (+103.93 over 3000/333 AMD+A7V8X)
When I say 3.5-4k i mean with monitor-- complete system. If you got a good monitor you can drop between 500-1000$. (890 in this particular case).
I don't consider anything less than a 21" monitor useable for serious gaming, has to be flat crt, the lcds ghost a bit to much and you can't get black calibrated correctly on them... although some of the new ones are damn good. You couldn't touch the fastest processor alone for 500$ anywhere I know of (unless you are perhaps a wholesale buyer of the chips.)
Offical policy here is 2 15m breaks, 1 60m unpaid lunch. If smokers want to take their 2 15s... no boggle. If they want to take 10 like most of them do... that pisses me the hell off. Same with nonsmokers who walk or people who yak at other people in the office or whatever... shitty is shitty.
Actually, I build cutting edge boxes. Once a year I build myself a new ubasystem. No point upgrading if you do it that way... I game alot and generally I bench the system just after I get it fully installed once in 3dmark and then forget it... benches mean nothing-- they very rarely have much to do with real game performance. You can get a functional rig for about a grand if you are willing to sacrifice the candy... if you want the candy (at a frame rate that you can stand to look at) you pay for it.
> Todays "cutting edge" games are designed to > play on 3 or 4 year old hardware
Play eq2/ac2/ut2003 on a pentium 3 733 and tell me those games run well with the settings cranked... those are cutting edge games as far as system abuse goes. Quake 2 hasn't been cutting edge for ages no has ut.
Sure the games will almost all scale down and play on old hardware, would be damn stupid if they didn't. BUT if you want the best experience you pay the cash for the hardware to run the games with all the sparkle turned on.
If I didn't care about look as well as gameplay I'd still be mudding rather than fiddling with mmp games...
> Most PC's cost nearly $2x10^3 for a real gaming > strenth system ---- plus the games cost $59 > each and that's at a cheap place like circuit > city.
LOL, I probally own 90% of the good games that came out in the last 5 years and 50% of the total games. I would say 99% of games unless unbelieveably popular drop from the inital price point of either 49.99/59.99 to 29.99/39.99 within a month. Within 6 months they're sitting at 19.99/29.99 and much less than the same on the console... pc games loose value *much* faster. The real investment in pc gaming is strictly in hardware cost... a good gaming rig runs 3.5-4k
There is something to be said for bleeding edge, but there is no real point in upgrading if you just build a bleeding edge pc once a year... you never slip behind the curve.
I'm running a gig of 400mhz rd, a 2.0ghz, 120g drives... and i'm only 1ghz behind the curve (and due to build a new puter presently.) If i had bothered to upgrade to a mb, 1066rd/ddr400, new vid, during the year I'd have to either start over with a new system now and have wasted *most* of the money spent... So it's best to just leave the system intact, save the money, and build a new system once a year.
... I'm sorry no one building a gaming rig who is a serious gamer is going to consider a GF4 440. That's a bad joke. Most serious gamers never upgrade they build a new system yearly... eliminates the needs for upgrades... and leaves you lots of nice pc's floating around to use for linux machines;)
AMD: Motherboard - ASUS A7V8X 101.98 Processor - AMD ATHLON XP 3000/333 629.99 Common Pieces - Common PIeces 2812.29 Total AMD - $3544.26
Intel: Motherboard - ASUS P4G8X DELUXE 216.90 Processor - Intel Pentium 4 HyperThread 3.06GHz 619.00 Common Pieces - Common PIeces 2812.29 Total Intel - $3648.19 (+103.93 over AMD)
Common Pieces: Ram - 512MB DDR400 PC3200 CORSAIR DDR cL2 155.00 Ram - 512MB DDR400 PC3200 CORSAIR DDR cL2 155.00 Hard Disk 1 - EIDE 200.0GB 7200 RPM 8MB CACHE 255.00 Hard Disk 2 - EIDE 200.0GB 7200 RPM 8MB CACHE 255.00 Video Card - PNY GeForce FX 399.00 Sound Card - Creative Audigy2 Platinum 162.85 CD-RW - Lite On 52x24x52x CD-RW 52.00 DVD-R - Lite On 16x DVD, 48x CD-ROM 34.50 Ethernet - 3Com 3C905C-TX 23.00 Speakers - Creative Inspire 6.1 6600 110.00 Floppy - Teac 1.44 Floppy Drive 12.00 Keyboard/Mouse - Microsoft Wireless Optical KB/M 82.00 Case - Lian-Li PC-60 USB Alum Case 120.00 Power Supply - Antec TRUE550 Power Supply 105.95 Monitor - Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2060u 890.99 Total for Common - $2812.29
What I really love is being bitched at for reading slashdot 2x a day (at about 10 minutes a time) when the guy in the cube next to me goes on 3-4 15m smoke breaks with the boss per day, 2-3 of his own smoke breaks, and spends the rest of the time chatting with other people... while I do real work. Inspires me to work harder let me tell ya.
> 2) People feel they owe their employer nothing, > and have no loyalty. (perhaps partly justified)
I provide exactly as much loyalty as I see given around the companies I've worked for... that would be absolutely none. The best I saw for loyalty was an isp I worked for and they axed a few people just because the boss's girlfriend didn't like them (competition and all-- his gf was the secretary) even though the people did their jobs well. They were the closest to a 'loyal' company I've ever seen... mostly good to the employees. Till they sold the company and everyone got axed.
If my memory is serving the stuff they use in salons is about 18%... definetly no more than 30%. Fun stuff actually, if you leave it in your hair long enough your hair turns to slime and falls off.
Nah, as with all current naming standards, it can't be worth anything unless it is prefixed with an e...
Thus we have eBlack!
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Nah, houses in the uk get haunted in 100 years too but the ghosts are afraid to show themself in ethereal society because until the home is at least 300-400 years old they *obviously* can't be respected...
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On average I get a hundred+ spam a day (70-300 in reality)... at 500$ each... that's about $50,000 per day! If only I lived in nv :(
... I'm thinking line noise would be bad...
;)
"Ok, now I'm going to make a sub dermal incision just below the @$_+*)SDF+_*&S+D*YF}H @#$*Y *YQEF"
DISCONNECTED
Just gotta hope none of the line noise is a valid sequence?
> I used to get over 500 spams a day,
> and now am down to avg about 100 spams
> a day. I filter them all out and I
> really don't see what the big deal
> is at all.
Few facts:
The ISP I worked for had ~30k accounts.
Assuming 100 spam per day that's 3 million extra messages per day or 34 spam per second. That takes a fair ammount of processing power. Thus you help the isp pay for a big machine rather than just a nice x86 running linux (we had ours on a 'little' 4 processor sun box with a few gigs of ram.)
In practice almost all spam average between ~750 bytes and 2 kb. At 1 kb each that's about 3 gigs of data transfer DAILY. Data lines aren't extremely expensive, but they're far from cheap and they need to be redundent, now you are getting to pay for A) Initial extra line cost, B) Reoccuring line charges. Not to mention that constant influx of spam is eating YOUR bandwidth out of the isp, normally this isn't an issue, but at peak hours between ordering a new line and it getting installed this can have a very profound effect... and god forbid that someone in your segment spams from a good connection... kiss your bandwidth goodbye.
The charges pass directly down, we considered lowering our prices several times and I know at LEAST once it delayed us being able to lower our price for close to a six months because we needed the extra money to pay for another line and hardware.
None of that stuff is a big deal, I really don't have anything better to spend my money on.
I want to keep having shit I don't need, want, or like show up in my mail. I also want to waste more time filtering out spam on my end. At my hourly wage I've already spent ~100$ making filters and setting up rules and filters in 2 months.
Not to mention the entirely inappropriate items that show up in children's mail.
You can't see why this annoys people?
I worked as a spam admin for 3 years, and I've heard every lie, excuse, and pile of bullshit possible from spammers, in the end all it comes down to is, they want to get rich quick and don't care who they hurt doing so.
Honestly, I think spamming should be a capital punishment... and I don't even support capital punishment for murder... and no, I'm not joking either.
Our ISP canned #2 and #3. #1 was dealt with through a blacklist of servers/ip ranges and use of RBL. A customer is responsible for all computers on their network, we made that clear when they signed up, if they have a misconfigured daemon that allows people to voilate the TOS from their machine... sorry. Not our customer any longer.
... willing to receive spam if I received .01 per mail... at my present receipt rate I would be making between .79 and 3.29 a day... for a net total of 288.35 and 1200.85 a year. That would be perfectly acceptable totals for having to deal with writing new filters to keep junking the crap.
... MOO & MOO2. However, MOO3 is pathetic. The AI for your side can't be turned off, it doesn't take your order, etc. The game was better when there was a graphical representation of numbers rather than this spreadsheet presentation. I was very disappointed. I hope one of the future patches correct this. /emote looks at his mothballed fleet of 1100 troop carriers he didn't request, want, or even potentially use.
Check out http://www.quartertothree.com for a good review.
bad form is a maintenance coders nightmare regardless of language. The stricter languages can be written in as poor a form as any given script language. I've had to maintain some c and java code that could easily have been entered in an ob* code contest.
My perl code looks better than 90% of peoples java code... easy to read, well documented, modular, etc.
A coworker of mines java code is about as readable as a foreign language to an alien.
Shrug, don't put off on a language what is entirely in the realm of the individual developer.
and realistically, if you are a crack c/c++/java programmer, the time it's going to take you to decode a perl program is miniscule for the most part unless someone was intentionally obfuscating it.
> Graphic Designers prefer Macs.
The last two companies I've worked for have had the graphics design teams on PCs actually... and the more graphics peeps I talk to on a regular basis the more it seems they're starting to lean towards PCs. Fact of it is, most university programs teach using PCs now, so that is what the user is most familar with after they graduate and what they end up using...
Spam is worse, I'm up to ~260 a day across 6 accounts. As soon as any given account is given to any person/site but a direct friend who you explicitly tell "do not enter this on any website anywhere (and provided they listen)." you start getting spam and it just escalates... I had one "clean" address, gave it out ONE time for a business reason, and it started getting spam within a week... two weeks later it was up to 4-5 a week, now its up to 10-12 a week. Pisses me off significantly.
Motherboard - ASUS P4G8X DELUXE 216.90
Processor - Intel Pentium 4 HT 3.06GHz 619.00
Ram - 512MB DDR400 PC3200 CORSAIR DDR cL2 155.00
Ram - 512MB DDR400 PC3200 CORSAIR DDR cL2 155.00
Hard Disk 1 - EIDE 200.0GB 7200 RPM 8MB CACHE 255.00
Hard Disk 2 - EIDE 200.0GB 7200 RPM 8MB CACHE 255.00
Video Card - PNY GeForce FX 399.00
Sound Card - Creative Audigy2 Platinum 162.85
CD-RW - Lite On 52x24x52x CD-RW 52.00
DVD - Lite On 16x DVD, 48x CD-ROM 34.50
Ethernet - 3Com 3C905C-TX 23.00
Speakers - Creative Inspire 6.1 6600 110.00
Floppy - Teac 1.44 Floppy Drive 12.00
Keyboard/Mouse - Microsoft Wireless Optical KB/M 82.00
Case - Lian-Li PC-60 USB Alum Case 120.00
Power Supply - Antec TRUE550 Power Supply 105.95
Monitor - Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2060u 890.99
Total Intel - $3648.19 (+103.93 over 3000/333 AMD+A7V8X)
When I say 3.5-4k i mean with monitor-- complete system. If you got a good monitor you can drop between 500-1000$. (890 in this particular case).
I don't consider anything less than a 21" monitor useable for serious gaming, has to be flat crt, the lcds ghost a bit to much and you can't get black calibrated correctly on them... although some of the new ones are damn good. You couldn't touch the fastest processor alone for 500$ anywhere I know of (unless you are perhaps a wholesale buyer of the chips.)
Offical policy here is 2 15m breaks, 1 60m unpaid lunch. If smokers want to take their 2 15s... no boggle. If they want to take 10 like most of them do... that pisses me the hell off. Same with nonsmokers who walk or people who yak at other people in the office or whatever... shitty is shitty.
Actually, I build cutting edge boxes. Once a year I build myself a new ubasystem. No point upgrading if you do it that way... I game alot and generally I bench the system just after I get it fully installed once in 3dmark and then forget it... benches mean nothing-- they very rarely have much to do with real game performance. You can get a functional rig for about a grand if you are willing to sacrifice the candy... if you want the candy (at a frame rate that you can stand to look at) you pay for it.
> Todays "cutting edge" games are designed to
> play on 3 or 4 year old hardware
Play eq2/ac2/ut2003 on a pentium 3 733 and tell me those games run well with the settings cranked... those are cutting edge games as far as system abuse goes. Quake 2 hasn't been cutting edge for ages no has ut.
Sure the games will almost all scale down and play on old hardware, would be damn stupid if they didn't. BUT if you want the best experience you pay the cash for the hardware to run the games with all the sparkle turned on.
If I didn't care about look as well as gameplay I'd still be mudding rather than fiddling with mmp games...
> Most PC's cost nearly $2x10^3 for a real gaming
> strenth system ---- plus the games cost $59
> each and that's at a cheap place like circuit
> city.
LOL, I probally own 90% of the good games that came out in the last 5 years and 50% of the total games. I would say 99% of games unless unbelieveably popular drop from the inital price point of either 49.99/59.99 to 29.99/39.99 within a month. Within 6 months they're sitting at 19.99/29.99 and much less than the same on the console... pc games loose value *much* faster. The real investment in pc gaming is strictly in hardware cost... a good gaming rig runs 3.5-4k
There is something to be said for bleeding edge, but there is no real point in upgrading if you just build a bleeding edge pc once a year... you never slip behind the curve.
I'm running a gig of 400mhz rd, a 2.0ghz, 120g drives... and i'm only 1ghz behind the curve (and due to build a new puter presently.) If i had bothered to upgrade to a mb, 1066rd/ddr400, new vid, during the year I'd have to either start over with a new system now and have wasted *most* of the money spent... So it's best to just leave the system intact, save the money, and build a new system once a year.
... I'm sorry no one building a gaming rig who is a serious gamer is going to consider a GF4 440. That's a bad joke. Most serious gamers never upgrade they build a new system yearly... eliminates the needs for upgrades... and leaves you lots of nice pc's floating around to use for linux machines ;)
AMD:
Motherboard - ASUS A7V8X 101.98
Processor - AMD ATHLON XP 3000/333 629.99
Common Pieces - Common PIeces 2812.29
Total AMD - $3544.26
Intel:
Motherboard - ASUS P4G8X DELUXE 216.90
Processor - Intel Pentium 4 HyperThread 3.06GHz 619.00
Common Pieces - Common PIeces 2812.29
Total Intel - $3648.19 (+103.93 over AMD)
Common Pieces:
Ram - 512MB DDR400 PC3200 CORSAIR DDR cL2 155.00
Ram - 512MB DDR400 PC3200 CORSAIR DDR cL2 155.00
Hard Disk 1 - EIDE 200.0GB 7200 RPM 8MB CACHE 255.00
Hard Disk 2 - EIDE 200.0GB 7200 RPM 8MB CACHE 255.00
Video Card - PNY GeForce FX 399.00
Sound Card - Creative Audigy2 Platinum 162.85
CD-RW - Lite On 52x24x52x CD-RW 52.00
DVD-R - Lite On 16x DVD, 48x CD-ROM 34.50
Ethernet - 3Com 3C905C-TX 23.00
Speakers - Creative Inspire 6.1 6600 110.00
Floppy - Teac 1.44 Floppy Drive 12.00
Keyboard/Mouse - Microsoft Wireless Optical KB/M 82.00
Case - Lian-Li PC-60 USB Alum Case 120.00
Power Supply - Antec TRUE550 Power Supply 105.95
Monitor - Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2060u 890.99
Total for Common - $2812.29
Course these prices are a couple days old.
What I really love is being bitched at for reading slashdot 2x a day (at about 10 minutes a time) when the guy in the cube next to me goes on 3-4 15m smoke breaks with the boss per day, 2-3 of his own smoke breaks, and spends the rest of the time chatting with other people... while I do real work. Inspires me to work harder let me tell ya.
> 2) People feel they owe their employer nothing,
> and have no loyalty. (perhaps partly justified)
I provide exactly as much loyalty as I see given around the companies I've worked for... that would be absolutely none. The best I saw for loyalty was an isp I worked for and they axed a few people just because the boss's girlfriend didn't like them (competition and all-- his gf was the secretary) even though the people did their jobs well. They were the closest to a 'loyal' company I've ever seen... mostly good to the employees. Till they sold the company and everyone got axed.
I can't think of any, let anyone who wants it... have it... darwin effect prevails, soon only people who *should* have it will.
If my memory is serving the stuff they use in salons is about 18%... definetly no more than 30%. Fun stuff actually, if you leave it in your hair long enough your hair turns to slime and falls off.
2%-5% solutions are nothing major just a good cleaner for wounds... a pure solution of h2o2 would take your skin off entirely.
Nah, as with all current naming standards, it can't be worth anything unless it is prefixed with an e...
Thus we have eBlack!
Nah, houses in the uk get haunted in 100 years too but the ghosts are afraid to show themself in ethereal society because until the home is at least 300-400 years old they *obviously* can't be respected...
... this is explainable through simple genetics. Don't toss the metaphysical crap where it doesn't belong.