Its a shame they didn't compare these products against MythTV. I've been using it quite happily for some time on my Linux box equipped with a Hauppage TV card. I suspect it works out cheaper than the options offered in the article and has comparable features to a tivo...
There's a crucial difference between spam and spyware though. With spam simply possesing an email address means you get it. With spyware, generally you need to be running a poorly configured windows box thats got crummy software on it (Internet Explorer and/or Outlook Express usually).
This means that generally speaking geeks don't get spyware on their machines and even if they do, they can deal with it. With spam, they are hit just as bad as everyone else so they figure out how to make it go away. The reverse is true for spyware, the people most able to fix the spyware problem aren't affected by it and thus have no incentive to make it go away for everyone else.
I'm aware that its possible to make it work. Thats not the point I'm trying to make. Its the missing features plus lower performance compared to the windows drivers and the closed source drivers with no published specs that IMHO is the problem.
Kudos to the guys for reverse engineering the hardware though but they really shouldn't have to waste their time doing that.
"Ok then, if that's true, for what system was this core developed? Does it behave identical on different operating systems?"
I guess windows and yes being the answers, however I'm not nivida and I can't tell without looking at the code. Which was the original point wasn't it?
You want some more application benchmarks, ok then.
As for Nvidia's drivers being out of date, how long did it take them to fix the 4k stacks issues? months wasn't it? I also suspect my Matrox cards drivers are updated faster than the Nvidia drivers due to the fact they live in the kernel tree and get updated when everything else in the kernel tree does.
My Linux desktop box (yes, they do exist!) has a Tyan Tiger motherboard with an Intel chipset. A matrox graphics card and a realtek network card. It works flawlessly with Linux 2.6.9 using drivers readily avalible in the offical tree. I don't need to switch, I'm already there.
I agree with your Asus comment. My gaming rig has an A7N8X deluxe which was a pig to setup and get running. Once its there with XP installed its fine though.
I don't think anyone has done any benchmarks comparing Linux vs Windows performance of the nForce chipsets. However on the graphics card front there is this Anandtech article using Doom 3 and Nvidia graphics cards. Although the article is primarly concerned with image quality, they do note a 25% performance drop in several configurations. Thats hardly "just as good FPS" now is it? IIRC Nvidia claim they use the same driver core for their graphics card drivers too. If the anandtech results are anything to go by, it doesn't bode well for any chipset benchmarks anyone might try.
No, my main beef with the binary drivers is that firstly they are binary drivers. It kind of goes against the grain of the distro I use (Gentoo) that I have to install a binary blob to make my motherboard work respectably. It doesn't help with the compatability either, remeber the whole 4k stacks saga for instance? What happens next time? we have to wait several months again for nvidia to fix it?
Granted there are opensource drivers avalible in the offical Linux tree now, but this begs the question why? If the nvidia drivers are as great as you profess why does forcedeth even exist?
As to features, where's my 6.1 audio? where's my Gigabit Ethernet?
Intel publishes specs for its hardware where as nvidia does not. This means we get a closed source driver from nvidia thats often out of date and doesn't work where as with Intel hardware we have open source drivers written by 3rd parties (often the kernel devs) in the kernel tree itself.
The Linux kernel devs have no interest in a stable module API because they have no interest in backwards compatability. If they see a problem, they go in and fix it. Next kernel release all the open source modules in the kernel tree are using the new fixed api.
Its true Nvidia might not have a choice in the matter though. They might have cross licensing deals or patent royalities on some of the technology they are employing in their motherboard chipsets that prevents them using an opensource license or publishing open specs.
Since when? AFAIK Intel publishes its sepcs and Nvidia doesn't. Hows that superior exactly? Granted Nvidia release drivers, but there performance and features pale in comparison to the windows version or indeed similar Intel hardware with open source drivers written from the published specs.
You will have to update your profile occasionally though. eg, my fileserver was still using the 1.4 profile which is now apparently depreciated. Just symlink/etc/make.profile to the 2004.3 like so:
substitute <arch> with your arch # rm/etc/make.profile # ln -s../usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/<arch>/2004. 3/etc/make.profile
Yes but retraining is a one off cost. Constantly upgrading to the newest versions of M$ various OS's and application software is a never ending bottomless money pit.
SpywareGuard does exactly what you require. It scans software when you open it and stops it from mucking about with obvious spyware related registery keys.
They wont have a license to distribute the MS office code and any license they do have from MS is likely to be so encumbered that it would be incompatible with the opensource license.
The only viable option a government wishing to do this is to do a clean room design. Unless of course there are patent restrictions.
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Your describing OpenXchange.
Its a shame they didn't compare these products against MythTV. I've been using it quite happily for some time on my Linux box equipped with a Hauppage TV card. I suspect it works out cheaper than the options offered in the article and has comparable features to a tivo...
For those of you who wish for an opensource IM application there is the GAIM win32 port.
There's a crucial difference between spam and spyware though. With spam simply possesing an email address means you get it. With spyware, generally you need to be running a poorly configured windows box thats got crummy software on it (Internet Explorer and/or Outlook Express usually).
This means that generally speaking geeks don't get spyware on their machines and even if they do, they can deal with it. With spam, they are hit just as bad as everyone else so they figure out how to make it go away. The reverse is true for spyware, the people most able to fix the spyware problem aren't affected by it and thus have no incentive to make it go away for everyone else.
The 'Its not my problem' mentality basically.
I'm splitting my time between HL2 and EQ2 at the moment. If your theory is true, I died last Thursday.
That they are driving around mine-fields? I bet thats pretty groundbreaking..
I'm aware that its possible to make it work. Thats not the point I'm trying to make. Its the missing features plus lower performance compared to the windows drivers and the closed source drivers with no published specs that IMHO is the problem.
Kudos to the guys for reverse engineering the hardware though but they really shouldn't have to waste their time doing that.
if you mash the keys really hard you can skip the adverts in the EQ2 load screens.
"Ok then, if that's true, for what system was this core developed? Does it behave identical on different operating systems?"
I guess windows and yes being the answers, however I'm not nivida and I can't tell without looking at the code. Which was the original point wasn't it?
You want some more application benchmarks, ok then.
Yes intel publishes specs, just like these Centino technical specs here.
As for Nvidia's drivers being out of date, how long did it take them to fix the 4k stacks issues? months wasn't it? I also suspect my Matrox cards drivers are updated faster than the Nvidia drivers due to the fact they live in the kernel tree and get updated when everything else in the kernel tree does.
My Linux desktop box (yes, they do exist!) has a Tyan Tiger motherboard with an Intel chipset. A matrox graphics card and a realtek network card. It works flawlessly with Linux 2.6.9 using drivers readily avalible in the offical tree. I don't need to switch, I'm already there.
I agree with your Asus comment. My gaming rig has an A7N8X deluxe which was a pig to setup and get running. Once its there with XP installed its fine though.
I don't think anyone has done any benchmarks comparing Linux vs Windows performance of the nForce chipsets. However on the graphics card front there is this Anandtech article using Doom 3 and Nvidia graphics cards. Although the article is primarly concerned with image quality, they do note a 25% performance drop in several configurations. Thats hardly "just as good FPS" now is it? IIRC Nvidia claim they use the same driver core for their graphics card drivers too. If the anandtech results are anything to go by, it doesn't bode well for any chipset benchmarks anyone might try.
No, my main beef with the binary drivers is that firstly they are binary drivers. It kind of goes against the grain of the distro I use (Gentoo) that I have to install a binary blob to make my motherboard work respectably. It doesn't help with the compatability either, remeber the whole 4k stacks saga for instance? What happens next time? we have to wait several months again for nvidia to fix it?
Granted there are opensource drivers avalible in the offical Linux tree now, but this begs the question why? If the nvidia drivers are as great as you profess why does forcedeth even exist?
As to features, where's my 6.1 audio? where's my Gigabit Ethernet?
Intel publishes specs for its hardware where as nvidia does not. This means we get a closed source driver from nvidia thats often out of date and doesn't work where as with Intel hardware we have open source drivers written by 3rd parties (often the kernel devs) in the kernel tree itself.
The Linux kernel devs have no interest in a stable module API because they have no interest in backwards compatability. If they see a problem, they go in and fix it. Next kernel release all the open source modules in the kernel tree are using the new fixed api.
Its true Nvidia might not have a choice in the matter though. They might have cross licensing deals or patent royalities on some of the technology they are employing in their motherboard chipsets that prevents them using an opensource license or publishing open specs.
Since when? AFAIK Intel publishes its sepcs and Nvidia doesn't. Hows that superior exactly? Granted Nvidia release drivers, but there performance and features pale in comparison to the windows version or indeed similar Intel hardware with open source drivers written from the published specs.
You will have to update your profile occasionally though. eg, my fileserver was still using the 1.4 profile which is now apparently depreciated. Just symlink /etc/make.profile to the 2004.3 like so:
This is all explained in the Gentoo Upgrading Guide.
Which island are we buying then? Hawaii? Cuba? Australia?
Yes but retraining is a one off cost. Constantly upgrading to the newest versions of M$ various OS's and application software is a never ending bottomless money pit.
I think Brabens Elite blows everything else in the patent out the water too.
Their mistakes are top notch!
For those of you like me who didn't have a clue what this article is about check out the Wikipedia entry for frame dragging.
SpywareGuard does exactly what you require. It scans software when you open it and stops it from mucking about with obvious spyware related registery keys.
1. Patent the GPL
2. ????
3. Profit
I've got bittorrent loaded up, where can I download 'windows sucks'?
how exactly does one watermark code?
They wont have a license to distribute the MS office code and any license they do have from MS is likely to be so encumbered that it would be incompatible with the opensource license.
The only viable option a government wishing to do this is to do a clean room design. Unless of course there are patent restrictions.