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Trillian 3.0 Released
Octagon Most writes "Cerulean Studios has released Trillian Pro 3.0 which is still interacting with AIM, Yahoo, MSN instant messagers with impunity. It has a cool new Instant Lookup feature which links to Wikipedia, and a serverless messaging mode using Rendezvous. The free version is now Trillian Basic 3.0. Trillian is still Windows only, and if you don't like the FAQ response regarding Linux and Mac support let 'em know."
I like Trillian, it has a lot of nice features and looks pretty. However I switched to gaim because of it's cross platform support.
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The serverless messaging sounds nice, but for Linux there are already a few multi-network clients. I remember Trillian as being a bit bloated, but that was several years ago. It was cool, though, as it was the first client I had heard of to use all major services.
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I was honestly surprised to see this on slashdot this morning. After all, there aren't many slashdot posts proclaiming excitement over new versions of SQL Server, right?
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Apparently trillian is supposed to work with Wine and/or Crossover Office.
I have gotten it to work with skins but it runs extremely slow on my Duron 700MHz.
On windows, I have found that Trillian is the best Multi-IM client out there. I'm off to check out what new features they've added and if its worth upgrading.
Gaim's a good concept, but I need interoperability with Trillian SecureIM. I know that the crypto-fanatics don't like it because the Diffie-Hellman key exchange is vulnerable to a man-in-the-middle attack. However, I still find it better than sending in the clear, and don't have to sell my contacts on gaim or teach them about key servers and all.
One CPU cycle wasted on digital restrictions management is ONE TOO MANY.
I tried an earlier version and wondered what the fuss was about... but it has gone so far in so little time and the rate of improvement is astonishing
Is there a point to free Trillian anymore? I'm not knocking it (much..), I did use it once upon a time and tbh it was very good, nice eye candy too, but since finding GAIM I haven't looked back.
nbiar
Only thing I miss when using gaim is the video conferencing.
Ill come back when they support HTML profiles/away messages, and fix file transfers.
"Is there Mac or Linux support?"
"No."
Missing text is:
"Is there a better option than Trillian for this support?"
"Yes, it's called GAIM -- http://gaim.sourceforge.net"
In China, Trillian is always positive!
Wow, the stories they don't post must be really boring if this is what does get posted.
Please dont complain there are options for mac users... I personally use Proteus and it works extremely well.
Adium doesn't have all the features of Trillian yet, but it's getting nicer each release. Plus it supports more IM protocols (it's based on libgaim).
Is there Mac or Linux support?
No.
Fair enough.
Not open source, costs too much, tons of bloat, and still not finished (eg the UI still requires a cheap hack of a skin, and most dialogs don't respond to keyboard input).
I'm far more impressed with miranda.
funny munging
I used to use gaim for the longest time, but often times found it frusterating. When I first got it, I tried for about 2 hours, with no evial, to change how the text appeard on my end. Not to mention that it is hard to find everything, and I think the connection manager is lacking several important featres.
I've been using Trillian Pro for a few months, and Pro 3 since the alpha version was released, and I absolutly love it. The tabs are much better than GAIM's, and I can have multipul tabs, for my friends, family, IRC, or just one huge one if thats what I want.
The one thing that trillian totaly owns gaim in, is it's plugins. They are so awesome, and offered free by Trillian. The spellchecker is something i've needed for so long (as i'm sure you can tell).:-P
Anyways, before you go and bash Trillian because it costs money, look at all the features you are getting.
The serverless messaging feature should prove useful in Tibet and Western China (where the Uighurs are being butchered). The Tibetans can use Trillian to send messages directly to Western reporters who can frequently switch their IP addresses in order to avoid being blocked by Beijing. Does GAIM have the same serverless messaging feature?
So why use Trillian?
The cake is a pie
Interestingly enough I was about to pay for trillian, but when I installed the preview version over a a-hem, cracked 2.x version, it imediately CRASHED, removed folder, reinstalled 3, crash. remove folder go through registry, reinstall 3, crash. Looks like trill doesn't get my money.
On windows I use Gaim and on OS X I use Adium. I like Gaim, but I think Adium is a much better program to compare against Trillium. The thing about Gaim (and a lot of cross platform programs, open source or otherwise) is that they just don't feel like a quality program despite working fine. Boils down to the user interface I guess and maybe I've only noticed since recently converting to OS X but everything doesn't need to be ugly. It can be pretty while still getting the job done.
just use adium if you're in os x. trillian is obsolete.
I'm using gAIM and mIRC, should I use the IRC feature of gAIM, rather than running two applications? The only thing that's keeping me from leaving mIRC is the fact that mIRC is so expandable with scripts and everything. Does IRC on gAIM support scripts and addons? Or should I stick with mIRC?
But the darn thing was so unreliable when she tried it that a third of the time it would log on to AIM. That and the fact that she couldn't get all the smilies to work or the windows to popup drove her away completely. She wouldn't even listen once I brought GAIM around...
Tell them we don't need a Mac / Linux port. Trillian isn't great. I've used it several times and keep going back to Gaim. Gaim has a far better interface. It FEELS like it belongs running in the OS, Trillian (and other skinnable apps) don't.
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Ah, the story of life.
This may change soon.
There is a GAIM Voice and Video project, that is a friendly fork off the main GAIM project.
Hope something good comes out of this, since I too use Yahoo on Windows because of voice.
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I switched to Win32 gAIM simply because I found everything about Trillian annoying as Hell. The interface felt too clunky and bloated with visuals (this was really a problem with multiple protocols). My situation is such that the network admin on campus has denied access to AIM and has provided no alternative. Initially, I would just install Trillian/Miranda/gAIM each time I logged in, but I found the installation process for each a bit tedious after logging in 2-3 times a day at different workstations.
When I bough a USB thumbdrive, I started putting all my essential apps such as FireFox on it so I could avoid reinstallation with each login. Trillian gave me some trouble with installation on a USB key (it wouldn't keep my profile data on the USB key nor would it make it apart of my Windows roaming profile), so I just finally completely migrated over to gAIM. It installed on my USB key without a hitch, has a cleaner interface, keeps logs of everything in my roaming profile and is easy to update. Even file transfer works for me now.
"You and your third dimension."
Try the gaim encryption plugin. It sounds like you had the same problem I did.
Get it from here
I've been using these two for 1.5 years, after switching from trillian (2 years)
More than enough BS
I just browsed through trillian's forum and noticed that there has been quite a bit of posts requesting port to LINUX and other OSes. This has been going on for about 5 years now. I'm not sure that the developers are really concerned with this issue and probably will never port trillian to non-windows OS. I guess people can keep on posting and maybe their persistance will pay off in the end. * I'm quite happy with Gaim *
Gaim has encryption support which is far superior to trillians. Of course it does standard RSA (512-4096 bit) encryption, and in addition there's a new Off the Record plugin which allows for plausible deniability as well.
If you want security, gaim is definitely the way to go.
I was looking at their website. Very difficult to navigate compared to the old style. Don't bother trying now, the site's been slashdotted, meaning no one can access it anyways. At least it survived a few minutes.
Trillian 3 is a very nice app indeed. The speed of file transfers has been increased and the Rendez Vous (LAN messenger) is a nice addition too. Too bad file tranfers (via MSN and Rendez Vous) seem to crash the app randomly.
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Personally, I don't use any of these messaging sytems. ...
I use this one: http://www.altme.com/
You set up your own server, decide who can use the system and who not,
And it runs on Windows and Linux.
My blog, if you're interested: http://www.purp
I too am suprised that Trillian was posted on Slashdot this morning. Most software applications announced here are piece-of-shit buggy "open source" applications developed by stupid teenagers with too much time on their hands.
The thing that urked me about Trillian, and it still may be true today, is that it mangles UTF-8 text. Sending Japanese back and forth between trillian to trillian works fine, but trillian to aim/iChat/gaim and it gets mangled. Another thing that urks me, is that their audio/video chat don't "Just work" like it does with iChat (though it is compatible).
[end rant]
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It's good to emphasize that, although Trillian and GAIM are competitors, they share information with each other when things go awry. Whenever Yahoo! makes a change that screws up GAIM and Trillian, you can bet the devs on both sides will be helping each other out. Now that's a good proprietary/open source relationship.
Gaim has a number of more advanced features in comparison to Trillian. More importantly: if the Trillian developers want their software to be around for a while they better have a Linux version out very soon.
While I'm unsure about video, Linspire has Phone Gaim that integrates SIP calling.
It even has an option ($) for chatting from Gaim to regular telephones.
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He said ... works on Windows and Linux.
... I (and most of the rest of the world) don't run linux.
You said
Way to go! The Shrub administration has a job for you.
Infuriate left and right
Yep and we have proof of this. On several occasions, their websites have reported that one helped out the other or vice versa assisting with code to get it working again.
and in addition there is miranda (mirando-im.org). It is: ...
- Windows/wine only
but it is:
- GPLed software
- its also free as infree beer
and it is even more powerful than trillian
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Here are some of the links from the article (and the dl link too) coralized..
http://www.ceruleanstudios.com.nyud.net:8090/
http://www.ceruleanstudios.com.nyud.net:8090/faqs
http://cerulean.cachenetworks.com/trillian-v3.0.e
http://www.ceruleanstudios.com.nyud.net/forums/
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
That and the fact that gaim is free. Trillian's free version hasn't been updated since when?
I wouldn't think it would be worth releasing Trillian for the Mac. Adium X does everything I've ever seen a Trillian user do and it doesn't have all the craptastic bugs. Also, its baised off of gaimlib and free, yep FREE.
So, why would they want to release on Mac, they'd have to compete with a free, good client.
Wikipedia in-depth comparison of instant messengers, including gaim and trillian.
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But does it do video chats like MSN Messenger can?
IM Chat Programs do not have encryption. The chats can be easily read by ISP adms and hackers. It's amazing what people will say on IM that are unsecured...
From the first Q&A in their FAQ: Q. What does "Gaim" stand for? A. For freedom! No, seriously, it doesn't stand for anything. It's our name and we're sticking to it. The two acceptable forms of capitalization are "Gaim" and "gaim" (and not "GAIM").
i don't know about Mac but Gaim fill that niche in Linux nicely :^)
Almost all of the IM services support voice and video but, none of the open source ones seem to. I would have expected Jabber to be leading the way in this area but, Jabber's development seems to have stagnated. I'm really surprised that the open source clients haven't got the features that the closed source ones do.
I'd like to meet someone who got it to work. The last time I tried this, running Trillian in Wine brought down the whole computer. I've been very leery of Trillian, and repeating the experiment, ever since.
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Since this morning.
Trillian 3.0 includes a Basic (free) and Pro (not free) version. The basic version feels very much like 1.0 Pro, with the odd feature from 2.0 Pro. They're done a fair amount of updating with useful little features, and they run from the same codebase now.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
Does anybody know if Trillian's "serverless messaging mode using Rendezvous" is compatible with Apple iChat?
"Serverless messaging" is something very neat to have. If someone points me to documentation about the protocol the Trillian messenger uses, I'll make a plugin for gaim. I don't need any documentation about mDNS/DNS-SD, that is something which is available plentyful. What I am looking for is documentation about the exchanged messages.
Is it as bad as XMMS?
Sigh. Look, take a hint boys and girls. The FAQ entry for Mac and Linux support makes it abundantly clear that Trillian developers have NO interest in supporting anything but Windows, and by badgering them, you'll just make it even less likely.
I don't understand why it's so difficult for the OSS community to just get the point -- some people don't want to play in your sandbox. Yet, invariably, I see the constant calls to hassle developers because of the choice they've made. Sure, some of them may not be aware that non-Windows users have an interest in their product, but I will bet dollars to doughnuts that the vast majority just choose not to. Is it so hard to accept that not everyone wishes to adopt or assist in your cause?
If I were a Trillian developer, and my inbox was suddenly filled with the typical bizarre sense of entitlement found here at Slashdot, even after I had posted an absolutely clear disinterest in supporting Mac or Linux in my FAQ, I guarantee that your grandchildren would be in their cold graves before I'd ever produce a non-Windows version.
This Just In -- you can't make people comply by pissing them off.
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Miranda beats Trillian hands down.
Miranda is open source.
Miranda seamlessly imports contact lists from Y!,ICQ and MSN.
Miranda can use Y!,MSN,ICQ,IRC,AIM,Jabber and loads more.
Miranda can run it all in a single nice window.
Miranda has fully customisable skins and icons.
Miranda has no adverts, ever.
Miranda has plug-ins galore...
Some of my favourite plugins are -
CAPS_LOCK flasher - incoming message? Your keyboard lights flash.
'WUMF' -Who is using my files? - Popup saying who accesses your files on a network and when, and will log all of this information.
Postit notes and reminders.
There are many more plugins.
Miranda is totally free, is open source, and simply is better than Trillian, and even Gaim.
Download it, no spyware, no ad-ware from http://www.miranda-im.org/
The serverless component sounds interesting for those of us behind firewalls.. Too bad its not in the 'basic' version....
Are there any easy to use serverless clients out in the open source world ? Multiplatform would be a bonus..
Yes I can google, but I'm looking for reviews here....
---- Booth was a patriot ----
But seriously do you think people want to read your IM's about various geek matters? If you're that concerned about people reading your messages, maybe you shouldn't give your CC number to your friends.
Seriously, if you got nothing to hide or to warrant being suspicious, the possibility of admins, the feds or even hackers reading the messages shouldnt cause much, if any, concern.
I would definitely have to agree that the Trillian interface is bloated and too focused on visuals. This is how I feel about almost every multi protocol IM client for OSX too. Gaim has a simple enough interface without having to get caught up in the GUI just to talk with some friends.
Also, the thumbdrive comment strikes up something I hate about many Windows proprietary developers: they do not save all the program preferences, data, etc., in your user profile (some keep it in the program folder itself, but that requires admin privileges to use!). Most open-source (and usually cross-platform too) developers know this and keep all this necessary data in the user profile, thus also allowing you to roam with it.
Gotta love MSFT and its ongoing disregard for some sort of standards. Then again, MSFT isn't the only software developer that forgets about the user profile (since they didn't make Trillian...).
'Yes, firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.'
I've been running the Beta for about two weeks now, and I really do like it. I've been using Trillian itself for about 2 years.
Honestly, Trillian was one of the first programs that I've used that, well, I was using a cracked version of... and decided after about 28 hours of use that it was worth my money.
I am a happy paid user... 3.0 Really does seem to work better. The connection manager is MANY times improved. I can connect to all three of my yahoo accounts with no muss or fuss now.
I will admit the daily (or more often) updates with the beta have been somewhat annoying, but it shows that the Cerulean team really is working hard to address problems.
Still seems to have somewhat of a problem with deleting users from your list who are on MSN, but I can live with that.
So far... after beating the hell out of it, my only gripes are:
1) The default "user icon" display is set *way* too big for starters. A problem that is easily corrected by the user, but it certainly didn't make a very good first impression with me there.
2) The new "Chat History" window and browser is useless. With it I can see the first line of a conversation that I had with someone, but I can't seem to get any deeper than that. Granted, there may be something simple that I am missing, as I have been concentrating the most on my primary problem,, which is...
3) My webcam seems to be completely useless now. I've tried the updates, tried re-installing my quicktime drivers and codecs (Why God? Why Quicktime?) I've updated my cam software... and even went out and bought a NEW camera because the one I had was 5 years old. Still no good. I get a very nasty looking green and yellow window when I start my webcam, then the cam crashes. HARD.
In fact, Trillian will not release the camera until I shut the program completely down.
All that being said, the support staff at Cerulean have been very good at keep me abreast of updates and possible causes for the problem. I know I am not the only one with the webcam problem, but there seems to be little rhyme or reason for it.
Would I advise my friends to use it? Hell yes! I do that on a daily basis.
However, I am hoping that the news about 3.0 being released public is swallowed by the firefox wave.
Seems to me that everytime something good happens with Trillian, either Yahoo or MSN change things to break it.
(eep, after previewing I realized how rambling and poorly worded this post is, but its been the 48 hours from hell here, and I just don't have the energy to correct everything)
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order- Ed Howdershelt Via Tass
You have a cracked version crash and hose up your system, and you blame the orginal company?
What sort of bizzare thinking is that.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Trillian is still Windows only, and if you don't like the FAQ response regarding Linux and Mac support
Well, how would a Linux user be disappointed, not having anyway to know WTF the program is about or why it's so wonderful?
I mean sure, it's understood that it's an IM program but so? So is Gaim, and Kopete and 4 or 5 other programs and they communicate with everything else out there. What's so wonderful about this one? I'll never know because I don't use windows. So, why the big deal??
Not flamebait, just a question.
There's not a Mac user out there who would possibly want Trillian when there's both Proteus, Adium and Fire.
I've always found Trillian to be really bloated, lacking in features, incompatible and generally just an embarrasing piece of software. It didn't even have server contact list syncing! The new version looks promising though. I wonder if their Rendezvous chat is compatible with Apple's (it'd be quite silly if it isn't).
-- Tested it--
Figures, Rendezvous is Pro only. And yay, surprise, the interface is still bloated and designed by someone who should stay away from an interface editor. What the hell is up with a minimum height of about 100 pixels just for toolbar with useless icons, a tab bar that I don't want, a titlebar for a *window in a window* (who the hell came up with that stupid window-in-window idea, anyway?), and twenty pixels of font editing buttons (really, I don't edit my chat text often enough to need buttons available at all times)?
Not only that, the View menu can only enable and disable UI elements that should be automatic (or disablers that are redundant - why would I want to disable the part of the interface where I read messages? The part where I write text? Wouldn't it then be smarter to open whichever chat part you're actually using (video, audio) in a separate window? (Think iChat)), and the Options menu presents me with *twelve* submenus (Who forbade option dialogs?).
Congratulations, Trillian team. You have successfully written an app with an interface that is even worse than MSN Messenger's. Again.
(btw, on Gaim -- Gaim has a nice share of features. I got my hopes up when I saw that its interface had been updated. However, that interface, too, is either bloated or just plain space-wasting, depending on how you configure it. That leaves us with zero (0, nil, none) chat clients with a decent interface on Windows (that I know of). Does anyone know of any reasonable apps? (Don't you dare mentioning Miranda) )
AFAIK, TIBCO has been using Rendezvous as a trademark relating to network messaging for quite some time.
Will Trillian & Apple run in to trademark issues with that name?
A plugin for Gaim already exists, at least one compatible with ichat.
r endezvous/rendezvous.c
http://cr.yp.to/2004-494/gaim/0.81-src/protocols/
Side note: It didn't work right installing on top of my cracked version, uninstalled, didn't work, then once I deleted the trillian directory and installed it again, it worked fine. Probably had a different cracked version than I did though. I never used the pro features anyways.
It only works on your local network, stupid. Apple's iChat has had this feature for a while.
"Trillian is still Windows only, and if you don't like the FAQ response regarding Linux and Mac support let 'em know." If Trillian doesnt realize how important Linux and Mac users are to their future why should we tell them. Gaim is an extremly good program and improves with every release. So we Linux/Mac users dont need Trillian but someday soon they WILL need us.
Yet another anti-Chinese post from this person, who seems to post in nearly every thread.
Good to see. Keep up the good work.
Props to the folks at Trillian for their reference to myxomatosis
Never knew it was a bunny disease.
Radiohead rules.
You need people like me so you can point your fucking fingers, and say "that's the bad guy."
he said something about suckers and time
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gaim vv is very very very slow... there doesn't seem to be any progres at all.
The Mac app Proteus has an implementation of iChat-compatible Rendezvous messaging. It uses libgaim underneath, and much of its core is open source (last I checked), so either it's already in libgaim or you could check out the Proteus imservices source for the code you're looking for.
Yes, it's fully compatible. :)
It crashed on startup for me under Windows NT. Seemed like a DirectX DLL issue. If you are still running NT for some reason, I recommend sticking with Trillian 0.74
the title of the comment is all that is required... I wonder how many slashdotters will purchase trillian 3.0 today?
Gravity Sucks
For those of you who wish for an opensource IM application there is the GAIM win32 port.
I get all my IM'in thru Miranda IM now Sure it's a bit of a hodge podge but it hasn't crashed or caused me any headaches in 3 months so far. I installed Trillian 3 to see wut was diff. (I used 2 for a bit). For some reason not being able to use the weather plug in w/o gettin Pro really bugged me. Otherwise it looks nice and probly is nice to use, but ya, not for me.
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IMHO, it's too late for Trillian to claw market space back. As people have mentioned, GAIM is there, works really well, and is cross platform. Personally, I use Miranda IM now, and I run IRC, ICQ, MSN (bleh!), Yahoo and Jabber all at once (it supports many others, those are just the ones I want/need). It's current, maintained software (whereas I'm once bitten, twice shy on the issue of maintenance with Trillian) and I have absolutely no inclination to bother going over to look at Trillian again.
It's also important to realise that Trillian is commercial-ware and that the 'free' version is, at best, a crippled attempt at tempting you to buy the actual featured version.
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and if you don't like the FAQ response regarding Linux and Mac support let 'em know.
:D
Trillian Pro 2.0, for me, seemed to work quite well with WINE. It even emulated the system tray icon and put it in its own little window.
The only problem I ran into was because of Trillian's support for transparency. The skin I was using had rounded corners and for some reason, the transparent parts showed up black with WINE. It seems that one could easily change skins to one that doesn't have a ton of transparency and use it. However, even with the black transparent spots, Trillian was still completely usable.
I have a graphite-like theme in windows. All other windows apps inherit this- but no, not trillian.
Trillian FORCES you to use onf of their skins. There is no option to simply use the "skin" (or lack there of) that you are currently using, if you're using WinXP.
teh sux.
--falz
Trillian Pro offers 128-bit encrypted 'SecureIM' on ICQ (and possibly AIM), which you can use if you're paranoid about such things (although it does require both clients to be using Trillian).
It has some nice features but I don't like my IM client being so huge and bloated I have to close it to do any real work on my computer.
I'll be sticking with GAIM.
when we have product comparisons listed in an "encyclopedia"
...modded this 'informative'?
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Even if you don't even consider that it's closed source, it still competes poorly. It has neither any plugin support in the free version (not that it matters much since it barely have any plugins compared to e.g. Miranda), nor a history browser (what?!). You'll have to browse your message log as plaintext in e.g. Notepad... Oh, and did I mention they will give future updates priority only for paying users? I definitely recommend Miranda or GAIM instead unless you want video conferencing, but there are other free apps for that.
I get the feeling the only reason Trillian is still used by quite a lot of people is because it was among the first multi-protocol IM's.
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While I do like Trillian it does have some bugs(features) that simply annoy me. For example it seems to remember your contact list. This in it self isn't so bad, but let's say for example you login to someone else's trillian. When I did this, it automatically took *their* contact list and assumed I wanted to add everyone on my contact list. Needless to say this wasn't desired.
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
No, worse.
I kid you not--and I'm not trolling here. You can get Miranda to crash doing the most simple things. To me, it's an absolute kludge of a client right now, but it still kicks royal ass in many ways. I just hope that they seriously start getting on the development bandwagon.
Yeah, I know: if you want it done right, do it yourself; too bad I don't have the time or know-how to do so.
You can grab Trillian Pro here and the crack for it here.
Enjoy.
You can use the multiple contact list feature. It's exclusive to Pro though, but it works.
Is 'anything' as bad as an application using gtk1?
boobz.
It supports yahoo webcams, that itself made me switch from gaim to ayttm.
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You realise, only a couple of those points don't apply to Trillian aswell. Trillian can use Y!,MSN,ICQ,IRC,AIM,Jabber and loads more. Trillian has fully customisable skins and icons. Trillian has plug-ins galore (including some of the very ones you mentioned). Trillian has no spyware, no ad-ware.
I just upgraded to Trillian 3.0 and let me tell you that I'm not amazed like I was with the 2.0 upgrade.
First of all, the skin support is absolutely horrible. The last updated skin is from January 2004. My trillian 2.0 skin works fine although the some of the new options really ruin its look.
After a bit of fiddling around, I got it back to to the good ol' look that I really liked (minimalistic).
By default, ALL the IM protocols are disabled. This means you have to go in and enable them, which I found to be a little annoying for an expert user. Although a beginner would not find it a lot more complex.
One of the great features of defining the size in pixels has been disabled which i really enjoyed. The main reason is because with that feature, you can just define a size and all your windows will be the same size.
The tabbed windows are a great addition, but i'm more of a fan of individual windows.
Overall, a quick looks shows great addition and bugfixes. I'll try using it for now, but I may revert to 2.0 in the future if things dont go smoothly.
I got really excited about the news that Trillian was doing rendezvous because I use adium on my mac and I have wanted to use ichat rendezvous between all of my computers. I think this is the first windows client that can do it. Still have to wait on the linux one apparently...
But rendezvous support is only in the full, paid Trillian version... great.
Oh yes, because heaven forbids developers from ever wanting to make any money off their work.
Sheesh, you know, I love F/OSS, it is a great development model when it is done correctly. But sometimes, this whole sense of entitlement thing really turns people off to the whole movement. When zealots say things like "Oh, they're trying to SELL software, yuck!", the reactions of most people who live in the real world is: "So? Can't they make an honest living too?"
For the people who are not of the "warez" generation, there isn't much of a problem. The old free version of Trillian (it was v.0.74F last I checked, BTW) was more than enough for most users. Pro added some goodies, both with 1.0 and 2.0, but there are people who have paid for TPro, and never use the "extras". It's called honesty, people liked using the free version, and so reward the developers with a subscription. But this concept seems to be lost on those that find no problem with pirating thousands of dollars of software (read: developer time), let alone a measly $25/year subscription.
Microsoft shares information aswell when AOL/Yahoo lock them out of their networks. The last time Trillian got locked out of AOL, Microsoft busted through it and told Trillian how they did it, who then dispersed the info to other IM client programmers.
"We need to get over this notion, that, for Apple to win... Microsoft must lose." - Steve Jobs, 1997
Trillian is nothing spectacular. Quite frankly I don't see why anyone would pay money for that program, with all the very good free-as-in-both-meanings IM clients that are already available on Windows.
Note to all Mac and Linux users: you're not missing much, so don't bother whining about not having ports.
I've always thought it was absurd that a chat client would use 100% CPU just to resize a window, and have had problems with Trillian not painting its custom controls over the standard Windows buttons. The client works well, but the coding for themes, non-square windows, and resizing seems to have been done by rather unskilled coders. It also uses a hell of a lot of RAM. It's a freaking chat client, and it requires more hardware resources than my web browser.
This is just my opinion, of course.
Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. --E. W. Dijkstra
although I like Gaim much better than Trillian, I tend to use Trillian on Windows because Gaim for Windows is too buggy (probably due to the buggy GTK+ port).
..vertising they do by putting there name on the product.
Don't forget, Christmas is coming, and I check my list twice!
What the hell is wrong with you moderators? If a post expresses an opinion that you disagree with, just leave it alone. No need to moderate it down. God damn...
The news don't say anything about Jabber support.
I tought that Trillian was supporting it.
Ploum.net.
The last time I heard of this, someone said it was disabled because it is broken and never worked anyway. See
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http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=
for more information.
Do not forget Kopete if you're a KDE user, it is nicely integrated with the system. You can compile it without KDE dependences (QT is needed, though) if you use another DE / WM. Not available for win32 withouth doing nasty things with cygwin.
Your head a splode
If you wish to do this successfully, set up a seperate profile for yourself.
You can use the multiple contact list feature. It's exclusive to Pro though, but it works.
Unfortunately this is indicative of Trillian... basic stuff is non-intuitive buried deeply or in the pay version and unpredicted results for everyday stuff. As sited in my example, Bob uses Trillian, but Mary uses it too. If both Bob and Mary simply login to MSN via Trillian their contact lists will be merged at least from my experience with the product. I believe that Aim, Yahoo, and MSN messenger all allow you to login as someone else and does not assume you want the contact list from the prior user. I'm not saying the ability to import contact lists from other users isn't useful, simply it shouldn't automatically query everyone on the list. I.e. it does shit without asking.
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
If my ISP Admin wants to come to tonight's rave he's more than welcome to do so.
You can't ban users on IRC. It does not let you use scripts. It does not have the most commun used commands on IRC. Typing '/whois' will not display the data in a useful format, but it raw server messages in the status window. I wish they will create a good IRC client in Trillian. For normal IM, Trillian is the best. PS: I hate hat it does not have a native interface besides the options window. I hate Watercolour, and there is not Trillian theme for the visual style I'm using.
and this is really a problem?
as a Mac/Linux user, if this thing was ported to any of those platforms, it would still be of zero interest to me
why pay for software when there are already free apps that have the same/better/more functionality
on my Mac I use http://fire.sf.net/fire which supports all the common protocols
then comes the UNIX varients, http://gaim.sf.net/gaim does just about everything and runs on just about any platform
both are free, and after looking at the trillian site, its got nothing that would make me replace either of the apps I currently use
if the developers of trillian want to only support windoze, good luck to them
skin support, but no skins?
or else!
but you can't see because the site is down. But trust us. It rocks. Honest.
Just a momentary glitch, I swear.
"Politicians are interested in people. Not that this is always a virtue. Fleas are interested in dogs." P.J. O'Rourke
Trillian has been my favorite IM client for quite a while. It has great eye candy, runs stable, supports skins & plugins, along with being able to get on all of the clients. You can get it to connect to 10 different types of networks at once, with the help of some plugins. (AIM, ICQ, MSN, Y!, IRC, Jabber, Rendezvous [Which is actually designed for hardware such as printers, etc.], Sametime, Novell, Exchange)
It fits perfectly into the right hand side of my secondary monitor. All it needs now is Skype support.
Is it me or is Trillian 3 in love with Windows XP, MS Office, and MSN user interface elements? Gah. I both love it and hate it at the same time. The menu styling is exactly like that in Office. The preferences looks exactly like XP's. The buddy icon is based on XP's icon system. The contact list reminds me strongly of MSN messenger. If I didn't know better I'd say Microsoft bought them out and planned to ship it with Longhorn.
if you don't like the FAQ response regarding Linux and Mac support let 'em know."
I did, by not renewing my license and switching to Gaim.
Who the hell would want to use trillian in GNU/Linux to begin with.
We have gaim, kopete, amsn and a bunch of others that I can't remember from the top of my head.
Just suggesting it is ludicrous.
Next thing you know they'll be suggesting using outlook express with wine!
A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.
"When I did this, it automatically took *their* contact list and assumed I wanted to add everyone on my contact list. Needless to say this wasn't desired".
Yeah! I have a fiend that use to call that the "promiscuous feature" of the Trillian. It's really unsafe and the main reason of why I switched to Gaim when I was still running Win98 on my box.
Profiles are a nice solution to this (and implemented properly in 3.0). You can even password protect them!
How many people can read hex if only you and dead people can read hex?
nothing to say more. subject says enough. Miranda doesnt support each services webcam support. i used the beta of trillian and could open yahoo's webcam and msn... although quality was a little more worse than usual, it DID work!
F/OSS & IT Consultant
You have no sense of humor and a thin skin to boot. Ditto for at least one moderator.
*snicker* *snort*
Infuriate left and right
cross platform software will rule the world...nothing less....open source even better!
Trillian would be worth it except that i don't find windoze worth it so...
Wasn't it Trillian that basically paved the way for multi-IM clients? I would suggest that if it wasn't for Trillian's (then) larger userbase you wouldn't have the interoperability that GAIM and Miranda have now. Could be wrong, and if I am I have no doubt someone will correct me.
That's a fiction put there to protect them from being sued by AOL. It's really called gAIM.
I am trolling
Yes, applications using Athena widgets, which were a demo included with X to help you learn how to write widget toolkits.
I am trolling
and you are a clueless, genetically inferior idiot.
That's why I use kopete with gpg integration. Too bad I can only get one other person to use it. Email is just as insecure, but you'll never persuade joe public to encrypt his/her email.
I am trolling
Why is cross-platform support such a big deal? All you care about is that the client (whichever client on whichever platform) supports the protocol, right?
I've found that it crashes a lot less than trillian. And I use it daily, it's on most of the day.
funny munging
I'm personally not so happy the Windows build of X-Chat costs money, so here you go kiddies.
The difference you're missing is the important one: Miranda is free. Nobody is charging money for a more complete version.
Not all software has to be free you know. The reason Trillian costs money is because it is a better product. It's offered at a reasonable price - there's nothing wrong with paying for software once in a while.
Profiles are a nice solution to this (and implemented properly in 3.0). You can even password protect them!
Profiles sound good if for example Bob and Mary live together and use the same PC. But let's say for example you want the ability to login to IM from a remote location without importing your list to the computer permanently? Unless something has changed in 3.0 Trillian doesn't handle this well.
The point is even with "profiles" using Trillian assumes that anyone using it is a permanent user. It stores contact lists locally. Upon seeing a new entry it automatically sends out a request to be added to someone's list regardless of whether they are ignored or exist in your list already. It has no real provisions for a guest user to login and just temporarily use it without storing the list locally or seeing the contact list is "new to it" and sending out a bunch of requests to be added to the list.
Unless 3.0 has a profile for a guest user that would not save the list, nor auto "be my friend" everyone.
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
Throw the bums out!
he says that he needs interoperability with trillian secureim (i assume he's msging with other folks using trillain), which that plugin doesn't seem to have from a quick check of their website...
Large print giveth, and the small print taketh away
Cause god knows no one is allowed to stay on Windows, ever program absolutely MUST be made for every platform. I'm sorry but Windows is much easier to develop for and forcing programers to migrate is just, well, punishment. You dont go up to Miyamoto and tell him zelda MUST be on PS2 do you?
Remember centericq... :-)
for console!
"Serverless messaging" is basically a hacked version of the Jabber protocol, so I'd check the jabber.org mailing list to see if they can help.
6. Fast/Efficient
I really really really doubt that 3.0 is faster than 2.0, and 2.0 had UI, which was visibly laggy on P3-733.
called chattango - it's an embeddable chat window. They give you HTML which can be put inside web pages, and it renders as a chat box. They do not seem to be compatible with other IMs though.
Wow, I just noticed the wikipedia links...that's a really cool feature, any word that's in wikipedia gets underlined, and you can click them to go straight to the wiki page, or just hover over the link to see the definition....that's awesome!
What are the windows guidelines?
You know, they have software web sites for this type of news. I didn't realize Slashdot was in the business of choosing favorite software apps.
Look at their new options window. Now look at (or think of) Windows XP's new control panel.
Watch for MS's lawsuit defending their 'Pretty Control Panel' patent next week.
Yer gonna have to show some evidence on that claim...
I know this is a big deal in the OS X community and this is the first Windows app I heard of that uses it? Is Rendevous:
Not one of those Apple motivated technologies, just something they adopted early...
AND/OR
Are there other apps for other platforms using Rendevous as a prominant protocol.
My biggest gripe with Windows software is that some of it *still* doesn't use the OS' own %userprofile% but would rather implement its own funny profile management that typically needs to be taught where to save settings, temp files, logs, especially when you want to avoid writing to the app's own directory... and even then it's not always clear whether those are global settings pertinent to all users, profile-dependent settings, user-account-dependent settings... why? Is it too much to ask to honour the fact that there already *are* multiple user accounts, not all of them with admin privileges? Don't those look like a perfectly appropriate place for user-level settings? Is something wrong with that, or with me that I don't get it?
Trillian, which I rather like otherwise, really confuses me there.
I'd even say Trillian runs particularly well with WINE, at least when it's used with Crossover Office. I use it with the Wine Rack CD for SuSE Linux, it can download and install Trillian (Trillian is one of the programs that are suggested for download and preconfigured in the Wine Rack version of Crossover Office), and it works so well that you would hardly think it wasn't a program written for Linux. It seems a non-transparent skin is used automatically if Trillian is used with the WINE Rack CD for SuSE, it is perfectly transparent and has its particular shape on my Linux desktop, and the system tray icon is not in its own window, but where it should be - in the KDE system tray, next to the Yast Online Update and Klipper symbol.
The only thing I find odd is that, given that Trillian works so well with Wine, the developers do not compile it with the Wine libraries and create a binary for Linux. With very little effort, they could have a Linux version of Trillian, and even if the market share of Linux is much smaller than the one of Windows, it seems that this small effort is certainly worth it, and then they could offer the Linux version for download and write in their FAQ that there is a Linux version.
I don't know how define "support", but Trillian works well with WINE, so they should write this in the FAQ. I use it with the SuSE rack version of Crossover Office, it's one of the preconficured suggestions for download and installation there, it works as if it was an application designed for Linux.
It may be regretted that they don't provide a link to GAIM as a Linux alternative, but I find it even worse that they create the wrong impression that Trillian does not work on Linux systems - it works very well. Are they too modest to mention all platforms on which Trillian works?
And since Trillian works so well with WINE, it would be very easy to create binaries for Linux with the WINE libraries. Some applications are difficult to port to another platform, but not to do so when it is easy is odd.
Everytime I use gaim on the lab computers, it screws up my buddy list by rearranging and readding old people > I prefer Adium's interface to either of these though.
'Nuff said.
I suspect they deliberately leave it to others to indicate Trillian under WINE works without any risk of implying they will support it.
You can get around this in Trillian 3.0 (Pro at least) by giving the new connection a seperate contact list - these are stored seperately from the 'My Contacts'.
How many people can read hex if only you and dead people can read hex?
At least to the unwashed masses.. Its a simple fact of life. "pretties" equate to features, to those that are non techincal.
Trillian is marketed towards those users.
However, you can turn off ( via simpler skins ) most of the eye candy in trillian and clean it up a lot.
Oh, and it does run on linux too, via wine..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Windows already has built-in theming. I change my Windows theme all the time, and expect all other applications to use the theme I chose.
Firefox can do this. All Windows applications can do this. But Trillian cannot.
They need to learn how to use the eye candy which is already present in the OS.
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
I just tried Trillian 3 under Wine and it does not work well. Sure it launches but all the eye candy is borken to the point where it is unusable. Too bad, I liked Trillian when I was in Windows land.