i tend to think these days that the reason GPL develops fanatics, and enemies alike, is that it is, like many other sources of fanaticism and enemy'ism, a spell.
yes, thats right, i mean magic. the GPL is a simple spell.
essentially, the GPL is a self-enforced rule, dictum, set of words defining a reality, which, when applied by adherents, results in certain calculable effects. those effects are definitely measurable in todays markets, from closet hackers to the embedded space, linux abounds. [this desktop-war straw man is so 90's man, get over it already. microsoft did, you should too!]
namely, the code GPL'ed in question, will be put to use by adherents, rapidly, to do some sort of productive thing with their '$ARCH'. an endless, categorical stream of reality changes can occur, starting with words alone, whispered in the ear of some gcc target or two.
ignore the GPL, use the GPL, get behind it, sit on top of it, try to make money off of it (you most certainly can), the point is, there is only one thing stopping it from actually working, and that is: working hardware.
the GPL creates an equitable economic system whereby a 'bridging politic' ties creation, distribution, and use of software, 'more magic spells', into one thing, and one thing only: working hardware.
so, attack the GPL at will, berate it at will, put whatever will into it you will, in the end what matters is what you set your $ARCH to, and who you're giving that $ARCH to, too..
Great, so now the network being down means I can get absolutely no work done.
well, this is no different than, say, my hard disk crashing, or my PC having bad RAM, or some fool installed some service on my machine when i wasn't looking, or the software is borked.
i mean, c'mon. you're just fishing for a negative. its like saying "the world blew up, so i can't word my doc..." sheesh.
the point of this whole exercise is: you install it on a server, once, and then you keep your network running. period. good admins do this. bad ones don't.
.. in the game. And don't think all society is about statistics and numbers; there is more to a good act, good theatre, excellent literature, wonderful drama, than just keeping score of who has what token 'upgrade'.
Quit thinking of games as if they're anything less than modern literature. Books have their lessons; if you want to develop a game people talk about and form communities around, read a few more books..
undoubtedly there are tons more sites like ours. we recently converted our resources [community-owned hardware on donated bandwidth] to serve torrents, and have more tricky stuff up our sleeves for artists wanting a place to put their works (ipod integration, etc.)
we don't do much quality control, we do ask artists to stand by their work, and of course we have a discretionary control over content in order to protect ourselves from mis-use, but the purpose of the site is long-term archives under our own weight..
C'mon, it won't be real space op until we get a selection of hardware to shop for.
I want my rented capsule weekend holiday moon orbit getaways, thanks very much, by the time i retire, which may well be in, oh, say, 100 years, if the good doctors get their gig on..
i mean, is there such a thing as a totall open cell phone? i know there are phones that run linux, but do they have the code onboard for all the interface magic?
are there open Cell-radio drivers?
i'm about to get a new phone, i'd certainly love to have one i can write my own code for.. especially if there's a chance i can do telephony style apps on it. but i'm willing to bet, there just aren't phones out there that support this, and probably never will be..
i also had a PB80, and i wouldn't really put it in the PDA category.. more 'programmable calculator', which may or may not be close enough, actually, to a 'real PDA' descendant.
I would have been more impressed if, instead of PSION, you said Atari, and you were talking about one of these.. after all, they were the ones to kick off the whole 'personal data assistant' thing, PSION was just a riff off the ol' Atari block in my opinion, admittedly a pretty good one..
[and yeah.. i've got a tandy model 100 in storage, thanks very much.. thats more a laptop than a PDA..]
.. it should be far easier for branches/nodes of the linux kernel codebase to cross-polinate.
the -mm releases are definitely a high order, public priority; but the broader picture is that there are as many possible permutations of linux code as there are tarballs being globbed.
i see the taxing of andrew (and linus before) as more of an issue of broken tools. if the linux kernel codebase had tools integrated into the core Makefile which would allow for easier tree/pruning/updates and public server integration as the most -common- interface to the.config/Makefile hegemony, i think we'd be seeing a whole lot more public, broader testing going on. its only because i can't confirm/share system.config databases with my peers that it makes it so hard to test other peoples patches; this could just as easily become a 'namespace' manipulated through existing tools..
i mean, there are too many ways to get yourself a copy of the kernel, maneuver the patch universe (why haven't patch namespaces become another NS record type yet, i wonder..?), find bits you want to test, etc.
i imagine a broader 'namespace of patches, and public tested.configs from.torrent servers[or whatever]' as part of the -basic- Makefile in the kernel releases.. yes, svn&co. have their 'namespaces', but i'm talking about 'make update_patches -server:blahblah.org' as a commonly accepted means of contributing to the patch-sphere.
To me it's just like some of the anti-war protesters complaining about US casualties, putting up the crosses, etc. They don't speak for the majority of the soldiers who are fighting, nor do they speak for the majority of the soldiers' families, nor do they speak for the majority of the dead soldiers, nor do they speak for the majority of the families of the dead soldiers. They're protesting, using the names of dead soldiers against the wishes of the soldiers and their families. There are many names for that in english, but it's definitely not genuine concern for the person they're trying to pretend they care about.
how the hell do you know all that? by critical remote psychological assessment? sheesh, you're pretty good.
face it, your info sources are as good as anyone elses. anything less would be condoning tyranny.
Unless of course you're just BSing because it's fun to pretend that a secret US method of testing a bio-weapon on its own citizens would be to mail it to people.
before you go all 'being right' and everything, maybe this test wasn't just how effective anthrax was, but how effective the USPS could be at delivering such things before it was 'defended against'.
the USPS, in fact the entire 'open society' of the U.S.of.A. (Inc.), is a death trap waiting to happen, more or less just as much a threat to itself as those nukes in bunkers are to us all. such a demonstration of weakness, in certain [*cough*weapons contractor/war profiteer*cough*] circles can be just as effective a 'test' for certain things, as it can be 'just some whackjob nutcase who happened upon some milspec anthrax one day, and decided to kill a few people with it..'
and if you think there is no precedent that the U.S. Gov't, more specifically the U.S. Military (a 'service' of the Federal Gov't frequently way out of touch with the people its supposed to be defending), tests weapons systems on its people, then you are seriously deluded, and have not been paying nearly enough attention to the crimes of your own State.
Why do you think "The Pocket is the New Platform" is anything less than a feasible, accurate assessment of the realities of modern computer usage as we find them?
Surely, the topic is Profit Margin, on the iPod nano, and any reflections that can be gained from seeing things as they are, will be of relevance.
The fact is, iPod nano's are selling, and selling well, and iPods too.. and these are fairly decent little computers, worthy of continued development. As are cell phones, as are PSP's, as are many other, fairly beefy little computing systems, currently found in peoples pockets.
So, what about the iPod nano is missing? In my opinion, and I agree with the parent post of this thread, the thing thats missing in all this is that its a platform we're looking at now. The tools are there. The numbers are there. The applications aren't.
You can't say that about some of the other operating systems/platforms currently saturating the software sphere. So, its kind of an insightful attitude to take: there is room, in this new realm, which is "Pocket", (not, say "Desktop"), for new and exciting application development.
If you've been in the computer world long enough, you've seen 'paradigm shifts' like this, and in fact they are a reality: the paradigm does indeed shift. Its cheesy, its a buzzword, but guess what.. sometimes words mean something, and a cursory deflection of meaning occurs when your view is that 'its all just a load of BS buzzwords'.
I can think of tons of apps I'd like to run on my iPod.. fortunately the tools are there to build them. Great stuff!
The pocket is the new platform? Sounds like the media lab hype of years gone by.
so? why must things be 'new' to be 'cool now'?
i for one welcome our new pocket-powered computing overlords... and i'm not so sure having my computers interface being projectable is an entirely bad thing either. no, i think its an entirely good thing.. i've got plenty of places i want to broadcast my pics..
.. you just have to choose your API's/frameworks carefully.
i mean, its not so difficult to set up a project that will cross-compile, use GTK+ or one of the other, smart, GUI libs, heck even SDL+libcairo works wonders, and then get it running on Solaris, Linux, *BSD's, OSX, and Windows.. as long as you're developing on Unix.
but you certainly can't easily do it the other way around: develop on Windows, and port across. It can of course be done (with GTK+, etc), but its not as easy as it is to do under Unix.
man, back in my emulation day, we didn't even have state machines.
yawn. wake me up when a $x0Million rocket can ..
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.. truly be re-used.
i mean, cripes. for crying out loud. we're making rockets, expensive ones, which we just junk.
i want a machine that will lift, fall back, survive, get re-fueled again, and get re-used to get off the planet, and around the universe in general.
i believe we have the rocket scientists. we need fewer zombies. way more captain crunch space-suits floating in ice-fields, loads more mercedes-benz lifesystem engineering controlled habitats, tons more help for the poor [*-make a tax on space use; put the tax in a global superfund, use it to solve humanitarian crises like dafur, put an accountable governing body in charge of it, oh, never mind.. back to rocketships:], bouncy mcDonalds 'orbital waystations' deployments in and around the L-points, every rockets got its own webserver.
oh, and yeah. re-usable -everything-.. i don't want a machine that i throw away, i want a ship.
Hurricanes have been happenning for about as long as there have been oceans on the earth. Thanks to cars and busses (and SUV's) , we can at least get out of their way.
uh huh. and the dead, warm, waters of the gulf have always been there.. i mean.. was there.. even before the gulf waters became a toxic wasteland of petro-chemicals..
it'd suck, wouldn't it, to learn that this hurrican was as big and nasty as it was, because it fed off oil-warmed waters.. but there's a lot of data to support the fact that the U.S. is creating conditions in its ocean borders which promote worsening/bad weather..
Stop creating the warm-water conditions that feed them. That'd help for starters.
Yes, America, that means walking your fat ass to work more often than you currently do. It means less celebration of rampant excess (SUV) and more smarter management of your technology (hybrids).
Forget this hurricane problem. Fix the society which fosters global warming..
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i tend to think these days that the reason GPL develops fanatics, and enemies alike, is that it is, like many other sources of fanaticism and enemy'ism, a spell.
..
yes, thats right, i mean magic. the GPL is a simple spell.
essentially, the GPL is a self-enforced rule, dictum, set of words defining a reality, which, when applied by adherents, results in certain calculable effects. those effects are definitely measurable in todays markets, from closet hackers to the embedded space, linux abounds. [this desktop-war straw man is so 90's man, get over it already. microsoft did, you should too!]
namely, the code GPL'ed in question, will be put to use by adherents, rapidly, to do some sort of productive thing with their '$ARCH'. an endless, categorical stream of reality changes can occur, starting with words alone, whispered in the ear of some gcc target or two.
ignore the GPL, use the GPL, get behind it, sit on top of it, try to make money off of it (you most certainly can), the point is, there is only one thing stopping it from actually working, and that is: working hardware.
the GPL creates an equitable economic system whereby a 'bridging politic' ties creation, distribution, and use of software, 'more magic spells', into one thing, and one thing only: working hardware.
so, attack the GPL at will, berate it at will, put whatever will into it you will, in the end what matters is what you set your $ARCH to, and who you're giving that $ARCH to, too
Because a Supreme Court justice is an important person who has a hand in truly important decisions.
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You think the Pope isn't as important as a Supreme Court justice?
Well then, there's your problem
Otherwise what are they gonna do, have all 100 senators sit at a table and talk until they can find someone they all like?
Works for the Vatican. Why can't it work for the US' own venerable and august body?
.. I have to get 'registered' with the DHS if i want to DIY my own clean room?
either that, or you don't play very intelligent games..
games are a form of literature.
Great, so now the network being down means I can get absolutely no work done.
well, this is no different than, say, my hard disk crashing, or my PC having bad RAM, or some fool installed some service on my machine when i wasn't looking, or the software is borked.
i mean, c'mon. you're just fishing for a negative. its like saying "the world blew up, so i can't word my doc..." sheesh.
the point of this whole exercise is: you install it on a server, once, and then you keep your network running. period. good admins do this. bad ones don't.
.. in the game. And don't think all society is about statistics and numbers; there is more to a good act, good theatre, excellent literature, wonderful drama, than just keeping score of who has what token 'upgrade'.
..
Quit thinking of games as if they're anything less than modern literature. Books have their lessons; if you want to develop a game people talk about and form communities around, read a few more books
undoubtedly there are tons more sites like ours. we recently converted our resources [community-owned hardware on donated bandwidth] to serve torrents, and have more tricky stuff up our sleeves for artists wanting a place to put their works (ipod integration, etc.)
we don't do much quality control, we do ask artists to stand by their work, and of course we have a discretionary control over content in order to protect ourselves from mis-use, but the purpose of the site is long-term archives under our own weight
C'mon, it won't be real space op until we get a selection of hardware to shop for.
I want my rented capsule weekend holiday moon orbit getaways, thanks very much, by the time i retire, which may well be in, oh, say, 100 years, if the good doctors get their gig on
i mean, is there such a thing as a totall open cell phone? i know there are phones that run linux, but do they have the code onboard for all the interface magic?
.. especially if there's a chance i can do telephony style apps on it. but i'm willing to bet, there just aren't phones out there that support this, and probably never will be ..
are there open Cell-radio drivers?
i'm about to get a new phone, i'd certainly love to have one i can write my own code for
i also had a PB80, and i wouldn't really put it in the PDA category .. more 'programmable calculator', which may or may not be close enough, actually, to a 'real PDA' descendant.
But the Portfolio -did- have a GUI: it ran GEOS..
I would have been more impressed if, instead of PSION, you said Atari, and you were talking about one of these .. after all, they were the ones to kick off the whole 'personal data assistant' thing, PSION was just a riff off the ol' Atari block in my opinion, admittedly a pretty good one ..
.. i've got a tandy model 100 in storage, thanks very much .. thats more a laptop than a PDA ..]
[and yeah
.. it should be far easier for branches/nodes of the linux kernel codebase to cross-polinate.
.config/Makefile hegemony, i think we'd be seeing a whole lot more public, broader testing going on. its only because i can't confirm/share system .config databases with my peers that it makes it so hard to test other peoples patches; this could just as easily become a 'namespace' manipulated through existing tools ..
.configs from .torrent servers[or whatever]' as part of the -basic- Makefile in the kernel releases.. yes, svn&co. have their 'namespaces', but i'm talking about 'make update_patches -server:blahblah.org' as a commonly accepted means of contributing to the patch-sphere.
the -mm releases are definitely a high order, public priority; but the broader picture is that there are as many possible permutations of linux code as there are tarballs being globbed.
i see the taxing of andrew (and linus before) as more of an issue of broken tools. if the linux kernel codebase had tools integrated into the core Makefile which would allow for easier tree/pruning/updates and public server integration as the most -common- interface to the
i mean, there are too many ways to get yourself a copy of the kernel, maneuver the patch universe (why haven't patch namespaces become another NS record type yet, i wonder..?), find bits you want to test, etc.
i imagine a broader 'namespace of patches, and public tested
which is, actually, huge.
where does it say none of those things will happen? its possible to compete, and yet your competitor isn't in the race. YET.
To me it's just like some of the anti-war protesters complaining about US casualties, putting up the crosses, etc. They don't speak for the majority of the soldiers who are fighting, nor do they speak for the majority of the soldiers' families, nor do they speak for the majority of the dead soldiers, nor do they speak for the majority of the families of the dead soldiers. They're protesting, using the names of dead soldiers against the wishes of the soldiers and their families. There are many names for that in english, but it's definitely not genuine concern for the person they're trying to pretend they care about.
how the hell do you know all that? by critical remote psychological assessment? sheesh, you're pretty good.
face it, your info sources are as good as anyone elses. anything less would be condoning tyranny.
What Cell-phone is the best one for running Linux?
The tiny device is a niche, not a wholesale paradigm shift.
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used to be that the only way to do e-mail was at a desk.
thats a big enough shift for me.
How quickly could you possibly input data into something that fits in your pocket?
well, i can get up to 40 wpm on my cell, but it does have a pull-out qwerty thumbpad.. but if i want a real interface, i just speak at it.
Do you really want to watch a movie on something that fits in your pocket?
sure thing man. no question about it. and, like it was mentioned before, cheap LED projection is a few months away from being prevalent..
The real action happens over years by the guys working in obscurity on the difficult problems.
LOL, yeah. none of the things i've mentioned were made by cool dudes like that
hang on a second, yo:
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Unless of course you're just BSing because it's fun to pretend that a secret US method of testing a bio-weapon on its own citizens would be to mail it to people.
before you go all 'being right' and everything, maybe this test wasn't just how effective anthrax was, but how effective the USPS could be at delivering such things before it was 'defended against'.
the USPS, in fact the entire 'open society' of the U.S.of.A. (Inc.), is a death trap waiting to happen, more or less just as much a threat to itself as those nukes in bunkers are to us all. such a demonstration of weakness, in certain [*cough*weapons contractor/war profiteer*cough*] circles can be just as effective a 'test' for certain things, as it can be 'just some whackjob nutcase who happened upon some milspec anthrax one day, and decided to kill a few people with it
and if you think there is no precedent that the U.S. Gov't, more specifically the U.S. Military (a 'service' of the Federal Gov't frequently way out of touch with the people its supposed to be defending), tests weapons systems on its people, then you are seriously deluded, and have not been paying nearly enough attention to the crimes of your own State.
Why do you think "The Pocket is the New Platform" is anything less than a feasible, accurate assessment of the realities of modern computer usage as we find them?
.. and these are fairly decent little computers, worthy of continued development. As are cell phones, as are PSP's, as are many other, fairly beefy little computing systems, currently found in peoples pockets.
.. sometimes words mean something, and a cursory deflection of meaning occurs when your view is that 'its all just a load of BS buzzwords'.
.. fortunately the tools are there to build them. Great stuff!
Surely, the topic is Profit Margin, on the iPod nano, and any reflections that can be gained from seeing things as they are, will be of relevance.
The fact is, iPod nano's are selling, and selling well, and iPods too
So, what about the iPod nano is missing? In my opinion, and I agree with the parent post of this thread, the thing thats missing in all this is that its a platform we're looking at now. The tools are there. The numbers are there. The applications aren't.
You can't say that about some of the other operating systems/platforms currently saturating the software sphere. So, its kind of an insightful attitude to take: there is room, in this new realm, which is "Pocket", (not, say "Desktop"), for new and exciting application development.
If you've been in the computer world long enough, you've seen 'paradigm shifts' like this, and in fact they are a reality: the paradigm does indeed shift. Its cheesy, its a buzzword, but guess what
I can think of tons of apps I'd like to run on my iPod
The pocket is the new platform? Sounds like the media lab hype of years gone by.
... and i'm not so sure having my computers interface being projectable is an entirely bad thing either. no, i think its an entirely good thing.. i've got plenty of places i want to broadcast my pics ..
so? why must things be 'new' to be 'cool now'?
i for one welcome our new pocket-powered computing overlords
.. you just have to choose your API's/frameworks carefully.
.. as long as you're developing on Unix.
i mean, its not so difficult to set up a project that will cross-compile, use GTK+ or one of the other, smart, GUI libs, heck even SDL+libcairo works wonders, and then get it running on Solaris, Linux, *BSD's, OSX, and Windows
but you certainly can't easily do it the other way around: develop on Windows, and port across. It can of course be done (with GTK+, etc), but its not as easy as it is to do under Unix.
man, back in my emulation day, we didn't even have state machines.
.. truly be re-used.
.. back to rocketships:], bouncy mcDonalds 'orbital waystations' deployments in and around the L-points, every rockets got its own webserver.
.. i don't want a machine that i throw away, i want a ship.
i mean, cripes. for crying out loud. we're making rockets, expensive ones, which we just junk.
i want a machine that will lift, fall back, survive, get re-fueled again, and get re-used to get off the planet, and around the universe in general.
i believe we have the rocket scientists. we need fewer zombies. way more captain crunch space-suits floating in ice-fields, loads more mercedes-benz lifesystem engineering controlled habitats, tons more help for the poor [*-make a tax on space use; put the tax in a global superfund, use it to solve humanitarian crises like dafur, put an accountable governing body in charge of it, oh, never mind
oh, and yeah. re-usable -everything-
Hurricanes have been happenning for about as long as there have been oceans on the earth. Thanks to cars and busses (and SUV's) , we can at least get out of their way.
.. i mean .. was there .. even before the gulf waters became a toxic wasteland of petro-chemicals ..
.. but there's a lot of data to support the fact that the U.S. is creating conditions in its ocean borders which promote worsening/bad weather..
uh huh. and the dead, warm, waters of the gulf have always been there
it'd suck, wouldn't it, to learn that this hurrican was as big and nasty as it was, because it fed off oil-warmed waters
Stop creating the warm-water conditions that feed them. That'd help for starters.
..
Yes, America, that means walking your fat ass to work more often than you currently do. It means less celebration of rampant excess (SUV) and more smarter management of your technology (hybrids).
Forget this hurricane problem. Fix the society which fosters global warming