1. ".. turns beer into something to reed?" ermm. not good. 2. ".. of Wankey Records?" yay! what issue? 3. ".. I'm too stoned and I can't type "of World Records" into this field any more.. 4. ".. the field is too short.. THE FIELD IS TOO SHORT? wtF?!!!"
they're saying, basically, that since "people aren't signing up to our education programs on the subject of computer science, there won't be any more computer science".
don't you think thats just a little bit ignorant? i mean, people not being interested in computer science through education does not mean that people are not interested in computer science.
maybe one of the reasons people don't go through school to learn computer science is because its not the only way to learn computer science. maybe the reason fewer people are signing up for so-called 'comp-sci programs' at schools is because, in fact, all of these programs are crap compared to the commercial reality that one must never stopy studying in computer science, ever, even out of school and in the workplace...
swaying the giants' attention off the 'bleeding edge, hardware upgrade treadmill', and.. getting it to actually fix its bugs and fulfill its 'promises & dreams' for hardware of yester-year.
.. rally behind the troops, rallying behind a cheesy circuitous song that you just "can't get out of your head", carrying the meme of "Happy Singing Christian^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HSoldiers" along with it, all the while overlooking the fact that these people kill people for a living, professionally..
bring on the holocaust i say, at least there won't be so much pop-music sheeple soldiering going on afterwards..
You can't get the right to upload music for $5 a month
wouldn't it be great if the RIAA member-companies got together and formed a mega-corp which was able to actually -pay- kids for using their own internet and computer resources to build a new media network under the RIAA member-companies control?
i mean, damn, the modern American corporate world has parts of it that seem just plain mean, and stupid to boot.. if big cities and high livin' breed such greed, count me out, citizen.. what sort of me-dia network do the have in Ghana, one wonders..
.. would it have been so hard to do a little google searching, perhaps a little mailarchive grepping, maybe come up with your own assessment of the scene, first?
*sigh*
but, to answer your question, theres' this:
OTRS.. seems like the aforementioned skils have disappeared in the modern internet, alas...
mutant self-assembling blood-thirsty robot overlords, and would like to remind them that, as a reliable battery, i'd be quite happy to wear a couple realdolls here and there, patch-wise, yo..
powerbook dell laptop shuttle (running linux) i-opener (linux) zaurus (linux) custom hardware putting a 12U 19" rack full of embedded systems running their own.. well.. anyway.. the whole rack is on the 'net.. oh, and my ipod (linux)
The key is this: if you are selling a device and your software is GPLd, you have created a platform and you can potentially sell 10, 100 times more if you provide a decent product at a reasonable cost.
Please provide examples of companies who have done this?
criminals you say? i find it pleasing to hear that the product of a police state knows his history so well.
Australia was 'founded' by immigrants escaping religious persecution in Europe, you moron. the first two colonies worth of 'undesirables' from England were failing.. it wasn't until hard-working immigrants escaping from repressive regimes in Europe came along that a state was formed.. long past the point where 'criminals' had anything to do with the country...
We are a country of mummies boys looking to others to tell us what to do.
Australians have an addiction for schadenfreude, which puts them in this position. Scared of going outside the boundaries, because of the schadenfreude factor, Australians are indeed plebian servants to their mega-corp masters.
.. as educators, to produce generations of mindless consumers^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hthoug htful contributors to society.
honestly, if there really is evidence that such strong-arm techniques are being used, then this is a case for corruption, and the administrators making such statements are investigation targets.
speccy was a real 'englishmans' computer.. it was fun and easy to program (once you got over the keyboard) and it was sensible.
the C-64 was anything but sensible. the brits laughed hard at 'the american computer with all its PEEKs and POKEs', and continued bouncing away at the little rubber keys all the while..
me, personally, i was way more fond of my oric than either C64 or Speccy, though i eventually had all three in my repertoire.. amstrad too, which i thought was pure dope, but i warrant very few Americans had much to do with the CPC464...
i think the American market, at that time, suffered from a fair bit of ego for the whole computer thing - silicon valley and all that - and didn't really see what other computing efforts were happening in the world, such as at Cambridge, etc...
Dude. I've been around gaming since PONG, and I've never heard of either of those games!
hello dude, you must be american. minters' big successes in the early 80's were.. mostly.. for early UK 8-bit scenery...
i was always pretty surprised, personally, by the secular nation of american video game markets in the 80's.. a lot of really cool shit happened that the average american video junky missed out on because of the different 'scene' in the states..
To compare KDE to Apple, first KDE must be selling their own hardware.
The clear difference in purpose between Apple and KDE renders any 'assessment of KDE' baseless. Apple sells hardware.
KDE is a developer-first focus. They profit stricly on developer sales. Not hardware, sales, as Apple..
[And I, personally, think the KDE guys are perfectly aware of 'Agile' software development.. this stirring of the "Apple versus KDE" nest as a media exercise is only to prevent work, not promote it..
yeah, this is a valid position. KDE must pay more attention to users.
however, there is another position, overlooked by this so-called 'debate', which means it does not matter, for now, that KDE 'ignores use in favour of programming practice', and i personally thing Goodger is degrading the importance of this, a little, to 'prove some other point'. he's missing a point, and can't possibly be ignorant about it.
the other position? developers. period.
sure, its nice that apple are able to sling out the code and write Simlpy Great apps, that work, the way apple apps should. they've been doing this for years, this 'making user-friendly software' stuff. it is to be expected of Apple. (not necessarily of KDE.. yet.)
but for any developer who has stuck his shingle on the apple bandwagon, their inattention to the 'cleanlines' of API's and methods, and such, in some area's, has been a real bear to ride.
as a developer into apple, its been a good-looking and fun one, because Apples SDK's have always tied to you-know-it-works hardware, but a bear nevertheless. apple haven't really been super developer-focused until recently, in my opinion...
whereas, on the other hand, KDE is not just about users.. it is about use, of course and definitely, but also KDE originally, if i remember, started simply to make it easier to develop software for unix systems [linux,*bsd,etc.], and this is really a developer-first focus.
these platforms are not Apple. they are not Microsoft. different power buss in the code-group structure. different power requirements. slower at some things, faster at others.
linux/OSS/KDE is a developer-oriented approach to the issue of developing software, first and foremost. there is no 'Hardware Sale of KDE', in the way there is 'Apple Sale of [insert Apple-commercialized OSS app/library] running on [Apple Hardware]'.. yet.
KDE exists to put a friendly interface on Unix.
and.. well.. that is another factor: hardware.
Apple sells hardware. KDE do not.
comparing KDE to Apple is one thing. but its 'Apple' versus 'Oranges' really, because Apple exists to sell hardware to the user who would not normally use a computer, or have one.
You, typically (so far) only come across KDE causatively, which is to say that KDE is far more DIY than Apple, anyway.. no newbie is downloading KDE/using KDE, its a certain 'hacker type' of person on the KDE front so far, coders and skilled users, for the most part, able to contend with active daily use involved in KDE dynamics.
Diametric opposite 'market sphere', so far, to that of Apple, so far.. i keep saying so far, because i see things on the KDE front that will out-strip Apple, in terms of sheer numbers, soon enough.
the reason this article resonates is because it pitches KDE versus Apple. (eh, KDE versus Apple? who would ever have thought Apple would be The Unix Vendor of Choice in the 21st Century?)
(SGI ought to be making laptops that run KDE, i mean, sheesh..)
so yeah, it is KDE versus Apple. and it is because Apple is focused on this Hardware Sale Aspect, first and foremost as an organized structure of people, and KDE is focused on developers and development, that you cannot compare the two fairly.
anyway my point is, to the KDE and other camps: developers.
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hmm.. lets see:
..
1. ".. turns beer into something to reed?" ermm. not good.
2. ".. of Wankey Records?" yay! what issue?
3. ".. I'm too stoned and I can't type "of World Records" into this field any more
4. ".. the field is too short.. THE FIELD IS TOO SHORT? wtF?!!!"
hrm, okay, never mind. sorry about the shouting.
they're saying, basically, that since "people aren't signing up to our education programs on the subject of computer science, there won't be any more computer science".
don't you think thats just a little bit ignorant? i mean, people not being interested in computer science through education does not mean that people are not interested in computer science.
maybe one of the reasons people don't go through school to learn computer science is because its not the only way to learn computer science. maybe the reason fewer people are signing up for so-called 'comp-sci programs' at schools is because, in fact, all of these programs are crap compared to the commercial reality that one must never stopy studying in computer science, ever, even out of school and in the workplace...
.. likewise!
this is open source software, winning.
.. getting it to actually fix its bugs and fulfill its 'promises & dreams' for hardware of yester-year.
swaying the giants' attention off the 'bleeding edge, hardware upgrade treadmill', and
right on.
the U.S. is a police state, what would you expect from such machinery?
...
honest, the reason the prisons are so full in the U.S. is because a police industry profits from having criminals around
yeah, i know, the french taught me to appreciate this immensely, same with the hassids and the israelis' ..
you can't wrap human progress in a flag. to do so is degrading.
bring on the holocaust i say, at least there won't be so much pop-music sheeple soldiering going on afterwards
You can't get the right to upload music for $5 a month
.. what sort of me-dia network do the have in Ghana, one wonders ..
wouldn't it be great if the RIAA member-companies got together and formed a mega-corp which was able to actually -pay- kids for using their own internet and computer resources to build a new media network under the RIAA member-companies control?
i mean, damn, the modern American corporate world has parts of it that seem just plain mean, and stupid to boot.. if big cities and high livin' breed such greed, count me out, citizen
.. then backwards compatability will still help sell the console.
.. a likely condition for the first 6 months or so, of the new device.
which is to say, play old games when there are no new games around
(just as applicable to ps3 as the xbox360)
get a 'typing 101 drills' course book. yeah, its low-tech. yes, it still works. it'll be the one thats filled with lines and lines of words like this:
look like free word wood bring
same save share state wear &etc.
i type 120wpm. i wouldn't be this way if i hadn't drilled, drilled, drilled. all i can say is: drill, drill, drill.
*sigh*
but, to answer your question, theres' this:
OTRS
.. i mean, even in the 80's we were doing this ..
..
but then i realized that with LED pocket projectors bound to end up in the aldi discount bin within a few months, its no longer such a fun DIY
.. power the capacitorss i put in my 'fingertips' for those UFIA moments, of course ...
mutant self-assembling blood-thirsty robot overlords, and would like to remind them that, as a reliable battery, i'd be quite happy to wear a couple realdolls here and there, patch-wise, yo ..
powerbook
dell laptop
shuttle (running linux)
i-opener (linux)
zaurus (linux)
custom hardware putting a 12U 19" rack full of embedded systems running their own
oh, and my ipod (linux)
The key is this: if you are selling a device and your software is GPLd, you have created a platform and you can potentially sell 10, 100 times more if you provide a decent product at a reasonable cost.
Please provide examples of companies who have done this?
criminals you say? i find it pleasing to hear that the product of a police state knows his history so well.
Australia was 'founded' by immigrants escaping religious persecution in Europe, you moron. the first two colonies worth of 'undesirables' from England were failing
We are a country of mummies boys looking to others to tell us what to do.
Australians have an addiction for schadenfreude, which puts them in this position. Scared of going outside the boundaries, because of the schadenfreude factor, Australians are indeed plebian servants to their mega-corp masters.
Australians: Kill your TV!!!!!
.. as educators, to produce generations of mindless consumers^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hthoug htful contributors to society.
honestly, if there really is evidence that such strong-arm techniques are being used, then this is a case for corruption, and the administrators making such statements are investigation targets.
go to the police.
speccy was a real 'englishmans' computer .. it was fun and easy to program (once you got over the keyboard) and it was sensible.
the C-64 was anything but sensible. the brits laughed hard at 'the american computer with all its PEEKs and POKEs', and continued bouncing away at the little rubber keys all the while..
me, personally, i was way more fond of my oric than either C64 or Speccy, though i eventually had all three in my repertoire.. amstrad too, which i thought was pure dope, but i warrant very few Americans had much to do with the CPC464...
i think the American market, at that time, suffered from a fair bit of ego for the whole computer thing - silicon valley and all that - and didn't really see what other computing efforts were happening in the world, such as at Cambridge, etc...
This joke is SO BAD I can't believe someone at Microsoft had the balls to do such a stupid thing.
.. doubleplusungood.
its really sad, to be frank. it belies a condition in society where extremely degraded values have become 'the norm'.
whatever marketing genius came up with this idea, clearly doesn't read enough literature
Did graphics programs in the 80s have something to do with your religion?
pfftt... you haven't actually played any games from the 80's, have you?
stupid person. of course video games are a religion! you moron, go back to new-world-order combat school, leave us old people alone.
hail qix! praise crazy climber!
Dude. I've been around gaming since PONG, and I've never heard of either of those games!
.. mostly .. for early UK 8-bit scenery ...
..
hello dude, you must be american. minters' big successes in the early 80's were
i was always pretty surprised, personally, by the secular nation of american video game markets in the 80's.. a lot of really cool shit happened that the average american video junky missed out on because of the different 'scene' in the states
To compare KDE to Apple, first KDE must be selling their own hardware.
..
..
The clear difference in purpose between Apple and KDE renders any 'assessment of KDE' baseless. Apple sells hardware.
KDE is a developer-first focus. They profit stricly on developer sales. Not hardware, sales, as Apple
[And I, personally, think the KDE guys are perfectly aware of 'Agile' software development.. this stirring of the "Apple versus KDE" nest as a media exercise is only to prevent work, not promote it
yeah, this is a valid position. KDE must pay more attention to users.
.. it is about use, of course and definitely, but also KDE originally, if i remember, started simply to make it easier to develop software for unix systems [linux,*bsd,etc.], and this is really a developer-first focus.
.. yet.
.. well .. that is another factor: hardware.
.. no newbie is downloading KDE/using KDE, its a certain 'hacker type' of person on the KDE front so far, coders and skilled users, for the most part, able to contend with active daily use involved in KDE dynamics.
however, there is another position, overlooked by this so-called 'debate', which means it does not matter, for now, that KDE 'ignores use in favour of programming practice', and i personally thing Goodger is degrading the importance of this, a little, to 'prove some other point'. he's missing a point, and can't possibly be ignorant about it.
the other position? developers. period.
sure, its nice that apple are able to sling out the code and write Simlpy Great apps, that work, the way apple apps should. they've been doing this for years, this 'making user-friendly software' stuff. it is to be expected of Apple. (not necessarily of KDE.. yet.)
but for any developer who has stuck his shingle on the apple bandwagon, their inattention to the 'cleanlines' of API's and methods, and such, in some area's, has been a real bear to ride.
as a developer into apple, its been a good-looking and fun one, because Apples SDK's have always tied to you-know-it-works hardware, but a bear nevertheless. apple haven't really been super developer-focused until recently, in my opinion...
whereas, on the other hand, KDE is not just about users
these platforms are not Apple. they are not Microsoft. different power buss in the code-group structure. different power requirements. slower at some things, faster at others.
linux/OSS/KDE is a developer-oriented approach to the issue of developing software, first and foremost. there is no 'Hardware Sale of KDE', in the way there is 'Apple Sale of [insert Apple-commercialized OSS app/library] running on [Apple Hardware]'
KDE exists to put a friendly interface on Unix.
and
Apple sells hardware. KDE do not.
comparing KDE to Apple is one thing. but its 'Apple' versus 'Oranges' really, because Apple exists to sell hardware to the user who would not normally use a computer, or have one.
You, typically (so far) only come across KDE causatively, which is to say that KDE is far more DIY than Apple, anyway
Diametric opposite 'market sphere', so far, to that of Apple, so far.. i keep saying so far, because i see things on the KDE front that will out-strip Apple, in terms of sheer numbers, soon enough.
the reason this article resonates is because it pitches KDE versus Apple. (eh, KDE versus Apple? who would ever have thought Apple would be The Unix Vendor of Choice in the 21st Century?)
(SGI ought to be making laptops that run KDE, i mean, sheesh..)
so yeah, it is KDE versus Apple. and it is because Apple is focused on this Hardware Sale Aspect, first and foremost as an organized structure of people, and KDE is focused on developers and development, that you cannot compare the two fairly.
anyway my point is, to the KDE and other camps: developers.
developers, developers, developers. sell hardware.
[/monkey-boy back in his cage..]