thanks for the details.. i look forward to seeing what the future holds for QC..
(.. incidentally.. "/Developer/Library/Quartz Composer/".. no such directory.. i guess the Developer Library isn't in my base install.. but I'll check ADC for it..)
that sounds pretty interesting.. good to know about pixelshox. my video hackery has mostly been iMovie cut 'n paste, so its good to see the video composition stuff happening.
what really interests me about QC is the MIDI control. i'm still pretty MIDI-lovin', surrounded by synths, so to have video acting as just another MIDI destination is a new step in the adventure. i guess i just need a couple LCD^H^H^HLED projectors, and i'll have my sounds on the wall, so to speak..
Unfortunately while Quartz Composer has a ton of new stuff, it is also missing some effects and features that Pixelshox had.
i haven't dug much into QC yet.. my reasons for upgrading to Tiger have kept me pretty busy (driver work).. but i really look forward to checking it out. do you know what sort of effects/plugins it supports? knowing apple, it seems to me there's about to be an explosion of plugins for that world, so maybe a swipe at pixelshox in the meantime will be good too, eh..;)
I always wondered what motivation robots have for "learning".
Robots have no motivation other than that given them by their creators.
Robots are not sentient. We do not even know what sentience is. The only way for us humans to create sentience is to procreate.
what needs do the robots have?
Errm.. like all machines, they need a power source. That is all.
Talking about robots as if they are alive and have motivation other than their code implements belies your otaku sensibilities. Clearly, you have not yet procreated, or you would not be so obsessed with making a machine which 'pretends to make it look as if you have done so, technologically'.
Since it's harder to make money off of ideas without patents, less people would actively try to come up with ideas.
okay, we're just going to keep arguing about this point over and over. i simply do not agree that 'because its "easier" to come up with an idea due to protections afforded by the state, more ideas will happen'.
if there is no 'protection', it increases the pressure to come to market faster, get product made faster, get the physical aspect of life under control faster. this aspect - overt production - is far more important in the global economy than it is to sit on your ass and come up with fancy idea's while the world goes around. America needs to recover its manufacturing prowess.. a little levity on the issue of intellectual property may actually be the only thing left to save the U.S. from 3rd world status in the coming 50 years, don't you know...
.. competitor would copy the idea and sell it at a lower price
so? thats capitalism. are you socialist, or are you american? do you want 'state protection', or do you want a free market worthy of competent entry?
i don't think you'd have this position if the roles were reversed: if China were the weak world manufacturing entity, and America the strong one.. whining about the Chinese 'copying everything' is ignoring the fact that 'Americans are too lazy to make anything'.
The end product is that you end up with less people actively trying to come up with ideas.
errmm... no. what happens is you get more people coming up with bright idea's, and then working hard as hell in the global competitive sphere to bring them to market.
whining and crying that 'things arent fair' is so un-american, it makes your argument lose a lot of credibility, in my eyes...
If you can't make money off of your ideas anymore, you'd stop trying to think of new ideas because you'd have to get a paying job.
did the dot-com bubble not teach you americans anything?
you CAN'T make money off ideas!!!!!! you need to produce something.
americans are so high on hollywood hype, do they not know anything about what really puts food on the table, what really counts in the global market? putting up real product, not just "ideas", oh so precious, is the new rule for global trade.
Anyone figured out anything interesting to do with Quartz Composer yet? This seems, to me, to be one of the more interesting new bundled-apps in the OSX package.. really looking forward to seeing what can be done with this app...
its as if you have no awareness whatsoever of this concept called 'a generation'.
believe it or not, but there are some people who did not grow up reading books. there are a generation or two, or three, of people who do not read books.
these people go to movies.
should the story be inaccessible to them?
making a movie about a book, might prompt people to read the book. believe it or not, but this does actually happen. people see movies, they hear that it was based on a book, and then.. if they liked the movie enough, they feel compelled to read the book.
translating one form of literary culture into another form, is usually a good way to spread that culture. don't you agree?
oh, wait. you're one of those self-ism types, for whom the idealization of the self is all there is. your self, having read the book, can't possibly think of why there is any reason whatsoever to contribute to another cultural form.
next time you see a 9 year old, ask them if they know the answer to life, the universe, and everything.. you might get a kick out of the answer.
]try watching telly without the laugh-track... hint: its totally sad to realize that for most of ones life, one has been brainwashed into laughing at abject cruelty.. by the LAUGHTRACK
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no MSX?
i dunno, i don't consider any history of the pre-PC days complete without at least a reference to CPC-464's, Atmos, and MSX.
MSX, at least, taught some sectors of the computing industry some serious lessons..
thanks for the details .. i look forward to seeing what the future holds for QC ..
.. "/Developer/Library/Quartz Composer/" .. no such directory .. i guess the Developer Library isn't in my base install.. but I'll check ADC for it ..)
(.. incidentally
that sounds pretty interesting .. good to know about pixelshox. my video hackery has mostly been iMovie cut 'n paste, so its good to see the video composition stuff happening.
..
.. my reasons for upgrading to Tiger have kept me pretty busy (driver work) .. but i really look forward to checking it out. do you know what sort of effects/plugins it supports? knowing apple, it seems to me there's about to be an explosion of plugins for that world, so maybe a swipe at pixelshox in the meantime will be good too, eh .. ;)
what really interests me about QC is the MIDI control. i'm still pretty MIDI-lovin', surrounded by synths, so to have video acting as just another MIDI destination is a new step in the adventure. i guess i just need a couple LCD^H^H^HLED projectors, and i'll have my sounds on the wall, so to speak
Unfortunately while Quartz Composer has a ton of new stuff, it is also missing some effects and features that Pixelshox had.
i haven't dug much into QC yet
do you have your stuff online?
I don't think that 'life' can be defined as anything but what it isn't.
...
But then, greater men than you and I have argued this, and all have failed, so
you don't have to know what something is in order to create it.
duh.
sheesh.
I always wondered what motivation robots have for "learning".
Robots have no motivation other than that given them by their creators.
Robots are not sentient. We do not even know what sentience is. The only way for us humans to create sentience is to procreate.
what needs do the robots have?
Errm.. like all machines, they need a power source. That is all.
Talking about robots as if they are alive and have motivation other than their code implements belies your otaku sensibilities. Clearly, you have not yet procreated, or you would not be so obsessed with making a machine which 'pretends to make it look as if you have done so, technologically'.
Since it's harder to make money off of ideas without patents, less people would actively try to come up with ideas.
.. a little levity on the issue of intellectual property may actually be the only thing left to save the U.S. from 3rd world status in the coming 50 years, don't you know ...
.. competitor would copy the idea and sell it at a lower price
.. whining about the Chinese 'copying everything' is ignoring the fact that 'Americans are too lazy to make anything'.
okay, we're just going to keep arguing about this point over and over. i simply do not agree that 'because its "easier" to come up with an idea due to protections afforded by the state, more ideas will happen'.
if there is no 'protection', it increases the pressure to come to market faster, get product made faster, get the physical aspect of life under control faster. this aspect - overt production - is far more important in the global economy than it is to sit on your ass and come up with fancy idea's while the world goes around. America needs to recover its manufacturing prowess
so? thats capitalism. are you socialist, or are you american? do you want 'state protection', or do you want a free market worthy of competent entry?
i don't think you'd have this position if the roles were reversed: if China were the weak world manufacturing entity, and America the strong one
but thats a free market for you.
The end product is that you end up with less people actively trying to come up with ideas.
errmm... no. what happens is you get more people coming up with bright idea's, and then working hard as hell in the global competitive sphere to bring them to market.
whining and crying that 'things arent fair' is so un-american, it makes your argument lose a lot of credibility, in my eyes...
Honest, you can't talk about the future without accounting for America's dismal direction.
Not flaming, honest. Show some balls!
Put simply - Yes. Fuck 'em. If they won't take the time to pick up a book and read the story, why should they have access to it?
oh, well, okay, since you put it that way.
(fascist.)
.. those 'rapture' idiots, trying to force the second coming with their phony wars, and 'cremation of care' ceremonies, and all that ...
If you can't make money off of your ideas anymore, you'd stop trying to think of new ideas because you'd have to get a paying job.
did the dot-com bubble not teach you americans anything?
you CAN'T make money off ideas!!!!!! you need to produce something.
americans are so high on hollywood hype, do they not know anything about what really puts food on the table, what really counts in the global market? putting up real product, not just "ideas", oh so precious, is the new rule for global trade.
China is good at that. America is shit at it.
Anyone figured out anything interesting to do with Quartz Composer yet? This seems, to me, to be one of the more interesting new bundled-apps in the OSX package .. really looking forward to seeing what can be done with this app...
inskcape, sodipodi. two very wonderful examples of open source producing very useful tools.
..
i use both, personally. SVG has been a primary format target for me as a programmer for a couple years now
its as if you have no awareness whatsoever of this concept called 'a generation'.
.. if they liked the movie enough, they feel compelled to read the book.
believe it or not, but there are some people who did not grow up reading books. there are a generation or two, or three, of people who do not read books.
these people go to movies.
should the story be inaccessible to them?
making a movie about a book, might prompt people to read the book. believe it or not, but this does actually happen. people see movies, they hear that it was based on a book, and then
translating one form of literary culture into another form, is usually a good way to spread that culture. don't you agree?
oh, wait. you're one of those self-ism types, for whom the idealization of the self is all there is. your self, having read the book, can't possibly think of why there is any reason whatsoever to contribute to another cultural form.
next time you see a 9 year old, ask them if they know the answer to life, the universe, and everything.. you might get a kick out of the answer.
The mob. Its whats for breakfast.
.. by the LAUGHTRACK![
]try watching telly without the laugh-track... hint: its totally sad to realize that for most of ones life, one has been brainwashed into laughing at abject cruelty
bah. what is this 'experience' you talk of, and why do you think its worth sharing with Total Fucking Strangers?
but .. but .. how can i tell if its good or not without watching it?
i know! i should download it. then, if i like it, i should buy the DVD.
yay, finally i understand what it is that compels me to break the law! i despise the mob!!
[/cheTONGUEek]
.. and the collective consciences tell me its not funny, then i see no reason to go see it in the theatre.
..
so i'm gonna wait until its on DVD, and i can watch it in the comfort of my own home, where i can choose to laugh or not laugh, or not, without having the collective crowd around me to 'prompt' me to laugh, or not laugh, in a big dark room
i mean, really. all this slavish devotion to mob think has trained me to realise when the time comes for individualism, and when the time comes to be one of the masses.
if its really not funny, and the collective gods say its not, then its not.
plus, a DVD purchase is like, 3 movie tickets worth of cash anyway, so its like i'm paying humble patronage to the mob with my decision to delay my enjoyment, anyway.
thank god there's no such thing as 'book reading theatre'.
to conclude: buy the DVD. kill the mob!
There's nothing stopping you from doing it. It would be a wonderful thing if you did.
So do it already.
Sheesh.
You can't copyright facts about yourself
the point is *YOU* are not doing copyrighting facts about yourself, THE COMPANY IS. NOTHING is stopping a corporation from collecting personal info, and then copyrighting it.
So then, a company which does -only- this - call it "The Peoples Marketing Agency, Inc." does havce a basis for coypright'ing the material...
Or?
fuckin' hell, i really don't get how it taking 'a couple of days' is a problem. big deal. its still work you didn't havce to do, because apple wrote all the code for you.
really, this is just bitching for the sake of pedantic snobby 'coder cult' bitching. code is code. take what apple has done, do a diff, merge it into a tree, and be done with it.
sheesh. some people are really just fascist little bitches for the sake of being fascist little bitches.
whats wrong with taking apples code, doing a diff, and spending a few hours or so, for a few days, comparing notes on a new tree? i really don't understand the fuss, so please someone enlighten me
seems to me this is just a matter of bad apples. safari gets the cool-hits for passing the acid2 test, the khtml guys are just pissed coz theirs are the giants shoulders apple stood on
ooh, thanks for the insult, that really helps me improve myself! yay!
anyone know? i know of a couple drivers which depend on this (and related) functions, and it looks like they've all but gotten up and left the ranch .. it ain't there no mo'?!!!!
(vn_open is part of the BSD 'virtual filesystem' API... most BSD's have it.. but Tiger has moved it somewhere, it seems.)