Get a Supercard Lite. It'll let you run DSLinux and all homebrew (as well as quite a few.nds files) reliably and with no fuss.. it has 32megs of RAM onboard as well as the SD card (Lite == MicroSD) and for me its been the greatest bit of gear investment I've made in a long time. A Passkey, Supercard Lite+1 Gig Micro SD rig + PALib == the coolest programming target I've experienced in a long time..
I'm utterly tired of people not involved with a movement trying to redefine it.
Why? This is normal. It happens with everything. The outside-observers, looking at a particular realm, feel that they are the ones who are best suited to define it.. while those within a particular realm, by definition, have moved on from the 'definition' stage and are actively participating.
Its the nature of the beast, yo. Participate, or spectate. From both positions, you can define something. Its up to each individual realm - of spectatorship, or participatorship - to become the more 'dominant' reality among the broader public.
A clever individual, observing some new realm, can most definitely differentiate between spectatorship and participatorship on the basis of their own desires. Either you join in and use and participate, or you stick to the outside and just bitch and moan, or congratulate and praise..
My advice: get over it. As many wise men have said, apropos Open Source, "those who wrote the code, get to say what happens with the code", while many others say, "those who use the code, own the code.."
The leak wouldn't have occurred until after they'd gotten FCC approval.. and at that point: they're ready to sell. Or should be.
So I don't buy this argument. A company as well-oiled as Apple should've had everything ready to roll, up to the point where the FCC gets involed, and then move fast shortly afterwards. A leak from the FCC is no big deal if, 24 hours later, Apple are selling the thing. The fact is, Apple have too much mass in this department. I know this to be true from the experience of also having to get FCC approval on products, and from a smaller, lighter, faster perspective, its quite possible to moot FCC leaks and write it off as early, free publicity that can be exploited properly.
Don't complain when professionals laugh at you though, despite your claim that "We rock".
Excellent snipe. I don't see any professionals in this thread laughing at the JACK folks. I do see an Anonymous Coward taking a snipe behind inflated cover, however.
What are your credentials, here, Mr. AC? Care to share your production experience with designing and implementing these systems?
All the other "mistakes" of the keynote can be forgiven; except this one rule, and Jobs broke it.
In the hardware world, and I say this from the perspective of the music-hardware (synthesizer) segment, where the rule has been proven again and again and again, there is a Cardinal Rule:
Never announce a product until you can actually ship it.
None of these other factors mentioned in this article would have any effect on Apple in the short, mid- and long-term, if but for the fact that there was a huge, deeply felt "Awwwww...." on the part of the audience when he announced the shipping date. That moment was when the hype balloon lost a lot of its gas.
And no, I dont think the FCC-would-announce-it-for-us is a good enough excuse to pre-emptively announce a product. A company like Apple should be ready to take orders the day the FCC approvals have been aquired.. 48 hours from the "FCC discovery", Apple can be in a position to announce the product itself, and ship and take orders then and there.
Big mistake, but courtesy of us mac fanboix, maybe not a ship sinker.. nevertheless, I personally still look forward to seeing Apple get some competition in the iPhone space..
.. the fact is, the DAW software realm is as incestuous and stagnant as fuck. witness the raping of the market constantly going on between developers like Ableton (Live) and the Fruity Loops guys.. not to mention the iron grip that the VST mess has on the world.
Linux as DAW is a breath of fresh air.. especially if the holy grail of "Full Source For Everything You're Running" gets fulfilled. I look forward to having a Linux based DAW in my setup so that, if theres' something I want, I code it up myself and contribute.. unlike the existing scene in the PC/Mac DAW world where everyone is suddenly a rockstar programmer coz they got a filter running..
If you'll stand down from your righteous position for a second, think about this: this is a publically available news article, broadly promoting a war item.
Thus, it is propaganda.
Look at it this way; say I'm a rebel Iraqi bad-guy, reading this on the web. Someone has sent it to me with the message "look what the Americans have now".. all my neighbors and my neighbors' neighbors read this as well (since its quite clearly viral to my demographic), and now.. nobody wants a sniper in their homes, because the Americans can find them, electronically, and drop a freakin' bomb on them if they want to.
Treat it as propaganda, not just technology. You're reading about it on the web; so can anyone else in the world, including those lining up for Insurgent Sniper School. Think the Pentagon doesn't know that? They sure do.. thus.. all the details and 'stupidity' you think the technology implies, really do add up as a propaganda hit against the enemy: those thinking about sniping.
Not only because I cannot make a living now, but also because people have absolutely no respect for my lifestyle.
Respect for your lifestyle, eh? So you're saying peope giving you lots of money for something that costs you nothing to reproduce and distribute should be respected? Thats a form of piracy in itself..
Same thing is happening in America. The US gov't knows the disaster that looms on the horizon (crashing dollar, massive inflation, country-wide civil unrest) and thats why its getting in as many of its draconian police-state laws now as it can, before The Crash.
America: China owns you. The time for you to do something about it is long since past. Bend over, put your head between your legs, and kiss your fat ass lifestyles goodbye..
Arguing about the chicken before there's an egg, now thats interesting. Because, the context is: Ability to easily develop for the platform. In that context, the GP2X rules over the other choices.
15,000 times $750 minimum statutory damages per work whose copyright is infringed = over $11 million. Or do you expect somebody to have purchased 15,000 game cartridges and soldered together 20 copiers to copy the game cartridges to the GP2X?
uhh.. yeah. there are not-so-extreme legal ways to own those games, you know..
But is an X11 server on GP2X useful for running popular X11 applications without a keyboard and mouse or a touch screen to emulate the keyboard and mouse?
You can plug in a keyboard and a mouse, and a monitor.
Except how can I play multiplayer if I can't find any other GP2X owners in town because there are 0 stores in town that sell the GP2X hardware? Am I supposed to purchase and carry around multiple GP2X systems?
Sure, why not? I have 3, they're all used for different things.. watching movies in the kitchen, a game machine on the go, and hacking on in the den.. Cheap enough that I may just get another one, in fact.
Also, the GP2X may have been "successful", but that success is hardly anywhere near the success of a big name gaming platform.
I don't see this argument as being anything more than a brand soapbox. Of course, nobody knows who Gamepark is.. except for 40,000 or so folks who have taken the time to find out, somehow. Nintendo are a +100-year old company, after all..
But that doesn't mean that the GP2X, as a Linux-based gaming platform, is going to change or go away. GPH are thriving. They have new product plans in the works. There is definitely a major chance for them to build mindshare (developer and player alike) over the next year.. so watch the snowball. See it roll.
But was most of this code on the GP2X written with original games in original worlds in mind, or is it mostly just to run copies of classic games in emulation or source port?
The answer, of course is: Both. This is not a dialectic realm; it is an all-encompassing one, and that means emulators as well as new and original games.
Its wide open. Anything can be run on the GP2X. Original homebrew, ported code from dusty machinery, brand new stuff. All of the above with no limits.
That the GP2X is a hot-bed of emulation activity is more an indicator of what types of coders are on the bleeding edge of Linux-friendly hardware right now - the emulator guru's - than it is a reflection of what the hardware 'supports'. The GP2X supports running whatever you want it to run.. but of course, the 'coolest' stuff that the GP2X has going for it right now is all coming from the ultra-edgy emulator land. You can't beat being able to load up 15,000 games from your favourite game/console systems in one portable device, take it all on the bus, and get your reminiscence on.. this is, of course, the widest promoted factor of the GP2X thus far. But the GP2X has tons more going for it: there is an X11 port (so you can use your GP2X as a handy X11 workstation), there are alternative OS bootstraps (ecos, etc.), there are digital music composition apps, and.. yes.. there are original games being developed exclusively for the GP2X platform as well..
Got an idea for a game? Code it up in SDL, recompile for GP2X (or any other such platform) and away you go. The GP2X will run whatever you want it to run - there are *zero* limits on this angle of things, and in that regard, is a strength of the GP2X platform compared to Sony/Microsoft, both companies which want to have a more aggressive control over the 'types' of content that their systems will be used with..
With the GP2X, the choice is yours, entirely. You've got all the tools necessary to use all hardware in the device, period. No limits.
So.. my point is.. watch this space grow. Who knows what the GP8x will have to offer in the epic battle for developer brain focus..
Microsoft's straw-man shenanigans overlook the reality that Linux/FOSS on the GP2X has resulted in a superlative gaming experience for many who care to look beyond the hype and behind the curtain and see that, in fact, having access to the full suite of Linux tools in an open fashion results in superlative code being written for the fun of all.. And while the hardware specs themselves may not be comparable, its quite feasible that the success of the GP2X (and it has been successful, indeed) will lead to a GP4X/GP8X built on the same platform, from which a great deal of ass-whoopin' can be delivered to both Microsoft, and Sony as well.
With the difference being of course, that Sony have a gate opened for Linux hacking, and for the porting of all GP2X code to their platform, with ease. And this could, indeed, lead to a many-headed hydra Microsoft won't have the swords for..
Prediction: In 6 months, we'll see Linux as a gaming platform tour de force. Its only just warming up, yo..
The GP2X is an excellent platform for C development.. its a very straightforward environment, there is very little setup stress, and the results are fun and definitely playable.
Plus there is a veritable cornucopia of examples and projects out there that students can learn from.. nothing says "fun" more than getting the code, compiling it, running it and seeing it work and play..
As for the brace indent question, there is really only one answer: indent -kr -ts4 somefile.c
Lexus == smart 'new thing of the rich taking over from the previously rich' (its a riff, yo) Olive Tree == The Collective Living Of All Of Us On The 'Net.. presumably where 'peace' is from..
The point is, you never know what 'fresh new thing of the rich' is going to crash and burn at the base of tha' 'nternets..
And you can have the best of a lot of worlds.. SEGA, MAME, Nintendo, Playstation.. all platforms being emulated, quite well, on a handy, inexpensive, portable, 100% open, Linux box...
I would say it would be very nice of your SDK to support building for the GP2X [wiki], which is an ARM-based linux box with its own unique set of libs and tools.. which should be very easy to support as a target/API bundle, as a matter of fact..
The reason for this is obvious: the GP2X is cheap and easily available as an embedded Linux platform, and thousands of geeks are discovering it every month it seems. Definitely one of the more interesting embedded Linux platforms around, and certainly: very accessible. Make your SDK fit in that fold and you've got a winner, I would say.
With an OLPC in some remote village or two, with children around to use it and learn from it, basic services in that area can be improved -drastically- over the course of a single generation.
Education is a significant factor in resource management and environmental/subsistence control. Imagine the poor kids on wastelands learning how to make their own filtration system, step by step, with bio-sensor assistance from their updated-daily OLPC's receiving advice and guidance from a-far..
Putting these in remote, desperate places, may seem at first blush to be a terrible waste of time, but if the software is right, it will be fixing the problems in front of the user. For kids in poor places, that means learning more about how to manage their environment and improve it by applying education.
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Get a Supercard Lite. It'll let you run DSLinux and all homebrew (as well as quite a few .nds files) reliably and with no fuss .. it has 32megs of RAM onboard as well as the SD card (Lite == MicroSD) and for me its been the greatest bit of gear investment I've made in a long time. A Passkey, Supercard Lite+1 Gig Micro SD rig + PALib == the coolest programming target I've experienced in a long time ..
I'm utterly tired of people not involved with a movement trying to redefine it.
..
Why? This is normal. It happens with everything. The outside-observers, looking at a particular realm, feel that they are the ones who are best suited to define it.. while those within a particular realm, by definition, have moved on from the 'definition' stage and are actively participating.
Its the nature of the beast, yo. Participate, or spectate. From both positions, you can define something. Its up to each individual realm - of spectatorship, or participatorship - to become the more 'dominant' reality among the broader public.
A clever individual, observing some new realm, can most definitely differentiate between spectatorship and participatorship on the basis of their own desires. Either you join in and use and participate, or you stick to the outside and just bitch and moan, or congratulate and praise
My advice: get over it. As many wise men have said, apropos Open Source, "those who wrote the code, get to say what happens with the code", while many others say, "those who use the code, own the code.."
.. and all the worlds problems will be solved.
Dong, I know you don't like 'formalizatin' anything, but you can't deny me the right to call anyone writing music for our wedding a pal..
My pals did this album for my girl and me in 10 days .. so its going to be exciting to see what they do for the RPM challenge (which they're entering..)
The leak wouldn't have occurred until after they'd gotten FCC approval .. and at that point: they're ready to sell. Or should be.
So I don't buy this argument. A company as well-oiled as Apple should've had everything ready to roll, up to the point where the FCC gets involed, and then move fast shortly afterwards. A leak from the FCC is no big deal if, 24 hours later, Apple are selling the thing. The fact is, Apple have too much mass in this department. I know this to be true from the experience of also having to get FCC approval on products, and from a smaller, lighter, faster perspective, its quite possible to moot FCC leaks and write it off as early, free publicity that can be exploited properly.
Don't complain when professionals laugh at you though, despite your claim that "We rock".
Excellent snipe. I don't see any professionals in this thread laughing at the JACK folks. I do see an Anonymous Coward taking a snipe behind inflated cover, however.
What are your credentials, here, Mr. AC? Care to share your production experience with designing and implementing these systems?
All the other "mistakes" of the keynote can be forgiven; except this one rule, and Jobs broke it.
.. 48 hours from the "FCC discovery", Apple can be in a position to announce the product itself, and ship and take orders then and there.
.. nevertheless, I personally still look forward to seeing Apple get some competition in the iPhone space ..
In the hardware world, and I say this from the perspective of the music-hardware (synthesizer) segment, where the rule has been proven again and again and again, there is a Cardinal Rule:
Never announce a product until you can actually ship it.
None of these other factors mentioned in this article would have any effect on Apple in the short, mid- and long-term, if but for the fact that there was a huge, deeply felt "Awwwww...." on the part of the audience when he announced the shipping date. That moment was when the hype balloon lost a lot of its gas.
And no, I dont think the FCC-would-announce-it-for-us is a good enough excuse to pre-emptively announce a product. A company like Apple should be ready to take orders the day the FCC approvals have been aquired
Big mistake, but courtesy of us mac fanboix, maybe not a ship sinker
.. the fact is, the DAW software realm is as incestuous and stagnant as fuck. witness the raping of the market constantly going on between developers like Ableton (Live) and the Fruity Loops guys .. not to mention the iron grip that the VST mess has on the world.
.. especially if the holy grail of "Full Source For Everything You're Running" gets fulfilled. I look forward to having a Linux based DAW in my setup so that, if theres' something I want, I code it up myself and contribute .. unlike the existing scene in the PC/Mac DAW world where everyone is suddenly a rockstar programmer coz they got a filter running ..
Linux as DAW is a breath of fresh air
If you'll stand down from your righteous position for a second, think about this: this is a publically available news article, broadly promoting a war item.
.. all my neighbors and my neighbors' neighbors read this as well (since its quite clearly viral to my demographic), and now .. nobody wants a sniper in their homes, because the Americans can find them, electronically, and drop a freakin' bomb on them if they want to.
.. thus .. all the details and 'stupidity' you think the technology implies, really do add up as a propaganda hit against the enemy: those thinking about sniping.
Thus, it is propaganda.
Look at it this way; say I'm a rebel Iraqi bad-guy, reading this on the web. Someone has sent it to me with the message "look what the Americans have now"
Treat it as propaganda, not just technology. You're reading about it on the web; so can anyone else in the world, including those lining up for Insurgent Sniper School. Think the Pentagon doesn't know that? They sure do
Not only because I cannot make a living now, but also because people have absolutely no respect for my lifestyle.
..
Respect for your lifestyle, eh? So you're saying peope giving you lots of money for something that costs you nothing to reproduce and distribute should be respected? Thats a form of piracy in itself
Same thing is happening in America. The US gov't knows the disaster that looms on the horizon (crashing dollar, massive inflation, country-wide civil unrest) and thats why its getting in as many of its draconian police-state laws now as it can, before The Crash.
America: China owns you. The time for you to do something about it is long since past. Bend over, put your head between your legs, and kiss your fat ass lifestyles goodbye..
Arguing about the chicken before there's an egg, now thats interesting. Because, the context is: Ability to easily develop for the platform. In that context, the GP2X rules over the other choices.
15,000 times $750 minimum statutory damages per work whose copyright is infringed = over $11 million. Or do you expect somebody to have purchased 15,000 game cartridges and soldered together 20 copiers to copy the game cartridges to the GP2X?
.. yeah. there are not-so-extreme legal ways to own those games, you know ..
.. watching movies in the kitchen, a game machine on the go, and hacking on in the den .. Cheap enough that I may just get another one, in fact.
uhh
But is an X11 server on GP2X useful for running popular X11 applications without a keyboard and mouse or a touch screen to emulate the keyboard and mouse?
You can plug in a keyboard and a mouse, and a monitor.
Except how can I play multiplayer if I can't find any other GP2X owners in town because there are 0 stores in town that sell the GP2X hardware? Am I supposed to purchase and carry around multiple GP2X systems?
Sure, why not? I have 3, they're all used for different things
Also, the GP2X may have been "successful", but that success is hardly anywhere near the success of a big name gaming platform.
.. except for 40,000 or so folks who have taken the time to find out, somehow. Nintendo are a +100-year old company, after all ..
I don't see this argument as being anything more than a brand soapbox. Of course, nobody knows who Gamepark is
But that doesn't mean that the GP2X, as a Linux-based gaming platform, is going to change or go away. GPH are thriving. They have new product plans in the works. There is definitely a major chance for them to build mindshare (developer and player alike) over the next year.. so watch the snowball. See it roll.
But was most of this code on the GP2X written with original games in original worlds in mind, or is it mostly just to run copies of classic games in emulation or source port?
.. but of course, the 'coolest' stuff that the GP2X has going for it right now is all coming from the ultra-edgy emulator land. You can't beat being able to load up 15,000 games from your favourite game/console systems in one portable device, take it all on the bus, and get your reminiscence on .. this is, of course, the widest promoted factor of the GP2X thus far. But the GP2X has tons more going for it: there is an X11 port (so you can use your GP2X as a handy X11 workstation), there are alternative OS bootstraps (ecos, etc.), there are digital music composition apps, and .. yes .. there are original games being developed exclusively for the GP2X platform as well ..
..
.. my point is .. watch this space grow. Who knows what the GP8x will have to offer in the epic battle for developer brain focus ..
The answer, of course is: Both. This is not a dialectic realm; it is an all-encompassing one, and that means emulators as well as new and original games.
Its wide open. Anything can be run on the GP2X. Original homebrew, ported code from dusty machinery, brand new stuff. All of the above with no limits.
That the GP2X is a hot-bed of emulation activity is more an indicator of what types of coders are on the bleeding edge of Linux-friendly hardware right now - the emulator guru's - than it is a reflection of what the hardware 'supports'. The GP2X supports running whatever you want it to run
Got an idea for a game? Code it up in SDL, recompile for GP2X (or any other such platform) and away you go. The GP2X will run whatever you want it to run - there are *zero* limits on this angle of things, and in that regard, is a strength of the GP2X platform compared to Sony/Microsoft, both companies which want to have a more aggressive control over the 'types' of content that their systems will be used with
With the GP2X, the choice is yours, entirely. You've got all the tools necessary to use all hardware in the device, period. No limits.
So
The GP2X is a Linux gaming platform done right.
.. And while the hardware specs themselves may not be comparable, its quite feasible that the success of the GP2X (and it has been successful, indeed) will lead to a GP4X/GP8X built on the same platform, from which a great deal of ass-whoopin' can be delivered to both Microsoft, and Sony as well.
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Microsoft's straw-man shenanigans overlook the reality that Linux/FOSS on the GP2X has resulted in a superlative gaming experience for many who care to look beyond the hype and behind the curtain and see that, in fact, having access to the full suite of Linux tools in an open fashion results in superlative code being written for the fun of all
With the difference being of course, that Sony have a gate opened for Linux hacking, and for the porting of all GP2X code to their platform, with ease. And this could, indeed, lead to a many-headed hydra Microsoft won't have the swords for
Prediction: In 6 months, we'll see Linux as a gaming platform tour de force. Its only just warming up, yo
The GP2X is an excellent platform for C development .. its a very straightforward environment, there is very little setup stress, and the results are fun and definitely playable.
.. nothing says "fun" more than getting the code, compiling it, running it and seeing it work and play ..
Plus there is a veritable cornucopia of examples and projects out there that students can learn from
As for the brace indent question, there is really only one answer: indent -kr -ts4 somefile.c
Seriously... what?
.. yes, exactly Bruces' point. ".. what?"
.. presumably where 'peace' is from..
..
Umm
Lexus == smart 'new thing of the rich taking over from the previously rich' (its a riff, yo)
Olive Tree == The Collective Living Of All Of Us On The 'Net
The point is, you never know what 'fresh new thing of the rich' is going to crash and burn at the base of tha' 'nternets
And you can have the best of a lot of worlds .. SEGA, MAME, Nintendo, Playstation .. all platforms being emulated, quite well, on a handy, inexpensive, portable, 100% open, Linux box...
Earthlink disavowed itself of such things years, and years ago.
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And anyway its like, who doesn't know a Scientologist in SoCal, yo
I would say it would be very nice of your SDK to support building for the GP2X [wiki], which is an ARM-based linux box with its own unique set of libs and tools .. which should be very easy to support as a target/API bundle, as a matter of fact ..
The reason for this is obvious: the GP2X is cheap and easily available as an embedded Linux platform, and thousands of geeks are discovering it every month it seems. Definitely one of the more interesting embedded Linux platforms around, and certainly: very accessible. Make your SDK fit in that fold and you've got a winner, I would say.
What's holding you back?
I can't go look at one at my local consumer-toy outlet, buy it right then and there, and bring it home with me.
Sure, there are other things on those shelves, equally fun and interesting, but the OLPC is a class product. Clone it someone, please.
With an OLPC in some remote village or two, with children around to use it and learn from it, basic services in that area can be improved -drastically- over the course of a single generation.
Education is a significant factor in resource management and environmental/subsistence control. Imagine the poor kids on wastelands learning how to make their own filtration system, step by step, with bio-sensor assistance from their updated-daily OLPC's receiving advice and guidance from a-far
Putting these in remote, desperate places, may seem at first blush to be a terrible waste of time, but if the software is right, it will be fixing the problems in front of the user. For kids in poor places, that means learning more about how to manage their environment and improve it by applying education.