FUD, FUD, FUD... why are people always worrying about nonexistent problems? For god's sake, do you use TCP/IP? I'll just assume you do;) At the router level, IP is exactly like a P2P application. Works, doesnt it? Of course, it doesnt guarantee reliability and stuff like that, but who cares? You have TCP on top of that to take care of the retransmissions that guarantee reliability. You seem to not have read my post. I said, it would be invisible to the user, and self-updating. If there was only one person on earth with the ability to setup a server correctly, you could just ask that person to make the setup program that would automagically install all the server software. Besides it's not like what I propose is something revolutionary. Servers already work like that. But, if everyone ran a server, the massive redundancy and parallelism would give us a huge increase in speed and reliability, eliminating traditional choke points, slashdot effects and DDoS attacks. Furthermore, if everything ran on top of a demand-based dynamic content relocation P2P algorithm (Freenet-style), we would be using the available bandwidth much more efficiently, thereby greatly reducing traffic in the extremely congested transatlantic cables, among other things. There's thousands of ppl out there shouting "Everything over P2P!", I don't know why I'm the only one getting dissed. Must not be explaining it very well.
Uh, i think you have it in reverse, consoles are actually severely lacking in my favorite types of games, which usually require a mouse in order to be played well. Sure, Dune 2 came out for genesis, and Dune 2000 did come out for the playstation, but most console games are shallow action thingies... show me a console with a game like Pontifex and I'll buy it today.
I guess you must think euros are children's toys as well. All our notes are pretty and colourful, and they're usually worth more or less the same as dollars.
Don't be so quick to dismiss an idea just because it's a rough draft that purposely ignores future implementation details... There's always more than one way to skin a cat. Just assign a given region to each server... that's how Second Life works. When you have a lot of servers, you can just make regions smaller. Dealing with edges is not an issue since the adjacent servers could very well decide among themselves that when two players on different servers begin to interact they are automatically put on only one of the servers.
lanej0 said: "Maybe people have had enough paying for every aspect of the experience. I pay for the hardware, software and bandwidth. O/S the server and let people run them themselves...."
Exactly. We really need to tell the powers that be that distributed computing is the future. In a world where end-user resources are rapidly becoming superfluous, someone's bound to come along that will notice that the client-server model is obsolete, for the usual centralized view of client-server interaction assumes that the clients have far less resources than the server, which just isn't true anymore.
Anyone can run a server. Most people don't use any of their bandwidth, because all they do on their multi-megabit internet connection is download email off a POP server and browse the web. Turn the usual protocols into P2P already! Why should I have to rely on my crappy ISP's slow email server and faulty DNSs when I could just do the same job myself? Why can't we just have everyone run a server? Bundle the damn things, activated by default, make them invisible with automatic updates and the millions of end-lusers will never even know that they're running a mini-ISP.
Original AIDS Monkey said: " The worst part about these games is their difficulty to pirate. Subscription? F that. Give me a free ISO and a CD crack."
Although you may be better known for your frequent trolling activities you have a very interesting point there. I know this isn't necessarily the case in the USA, but in many many countries piracy is the standard way of getting a game and most people never bought a single box! People who buy games are actually mocked: back in 92 when I was in high school, there was this guy who always bought every game he wanted. We sort of had a love-hate relationship with him, we laughed at him for wasting so much cash on a couple of floppies plus a crappy black and white manual when he could buy a dozen floppy boxes for the exact same price, and just download the game off a BBS or get it from a friend. Nevertheless, we loved the fact that we could get new games off of him for free, and to this day he is still the only person I ever met who actually bought most of the games he ever played. There is no such thing as Everquest addiction around here, and I wonder if it isn't exactly because of ubiquitous, socially-condoned software piracy.
Since when have people owned good CRTs? CRTs are like keyboards, you buy the cheapest kind so you can spend money on what actually matters, such as a decent graphics card that can run modern games at an acceptable speed. I don't even have a monitor, this one is my girlfriend's spare. Mine died years ago. Most people buy the cheapest speakers because they don't care about the expensive one's added quality. With monitors it's the same.
Maybe because my crappy old 15 incher already takes up way too much desk space, to the point of my keyboard not fitting in front of it? I'd love to get an LCD. The image looks so much better, but I can't afford even half of it.
Look, we're the ones footing the bill, aren't we? We're also the ones who will be playing the game. So why are companies so hellbent on ignoring user input? Every development process should necessarily include and respect future user input. I've always loved the feature-voting scripts on many open source projects' webpages, and can't see why companies can't use them as well. Chronic Logic has added many of my suggestions to their game, Pontifex , even after claiming they were unfeasible. Others could too.
That was a very interesting comment and I'll be keeping your advice in mind for future reference. I do find project management very interesting, and I do hope that I will become a manager one day, since most of the time programming is a bit repetitive, at least for the younger coders. I tend to think that I have mostly solved the problem posed to me in the first 5 minutes, and given more time would even outline most of the functions needed and how they could interact. Going from there to implementation is often trivial enough that I wish someone would do it for me, but I guess I must endure this trial for many more years before I am deemed "old" enough to manage.
Ok so I'll shut up and listen to you instead. Please explain to me how everyone can get to manager, no matter how good they are. I'm young, dont have an awful lot of work experience, and I just dont see how there is such a demand for managers!:( (especially given the fact that there doesnt seem to be much demand for coders either;)
The logic assumed for one company will still hold for any given number of companies. For christ's sake how could everyone become manager after some given number of years? The number of managers required is always a lot less than the number of non-managers, so for this to be true, the set of companies, the IT industry as a whole, must grow exponentially. Which it isn't anymore. You only need more managers if you have more employees to manage or if something weird happens to an existing manager. You used to need more managers all the time, and people made manager in 3 or 5 years. But Not Anymore. So the question remains, what will happen to me if I'm both deemed too old for the fast-paced IT biz, and not good enough to be promoted? I get booted and try to find some other job that will probably pay less.
First of all it seemed a blatant rehash of Populous 3. Except Populous 3 was more fun! So much for "innovation". The lack of direct control over what was going on frustrated the crap outta me. You couldnt so much as fart without being instantly considered evil. It was nearly impossible to play as good! So many times I just wished there was a friggin button!! Innovation is not about being different for difference's sake, its about doing something that's actually better. What's the usability of a gesture interface? None. No interface can be considered good if there is a major chance of failing to issue a command to the system. Am I alone in hating this game?
Everyone says that, but no one notices a simple crucial fact: how many managers do you need??? Let's say that you need one manager for every 10-person team, including teams of managers. Imagine that a company has a stable work force of 1000 coders. They only need 100 low-level managers, 10 mid-level managers and one general manager... that's 111 people. Assuming that everyone came from that same company, merely through gaining the experience that comes with age... where did the other 889 former coders go? Did they misteriously vanish? Did they all die? Did they continue working at the same old boring code-churning job from college until retirement? You can't have everyone becoming a manager unless you assume that the company will grow exponentially.
Well I remember recording those crappy 10 minute "data" tapes (were they anything other than a crappy marketing ploy?) to a normal 60 minute audio tape because in large games, having to switch to the other side of the tape often caused the game not to load. Anyone who complains about loading times today should be forced to sit through a 20-minute audiovisual show of annoying blue 'n' yellow borders with static-like noises playing on their tape recorders, only to have the game crash upon loading due to some misread final byte or something, and then have to rewind to the beginning of the tape and try again. When I finally got a PC, I found floppies so blissfully silent, fast and reliable: games ALWAYS loaded, and they always did it in less than a minute! And even the noisiest floppy drive was still better than 20 minutes of spectrum "music".
A stronger skeleton perhaps? Some microscopic algae apparently use silicon as a skeleton of sorts... diatomaceae? I learned that in high school which, of course, was a long long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
I dont know much about electronics or physics or anything:( I once tried wiring a led to an AA battery but it didnt do squat, lol. I wouldnt even know where to get electronics material. There is no radio shack in Portugal:( If anyone knows of a fool-proof tutorial on led-play for the utterly clueless dummies like me, I would kill to be able to make a battery-powered led constellation to hang on the wall.
Well since you want to put it that way, what do you think would happen if you acted in an anti-social way in older times? Lynch mob. When there was no system in place to punish the misfits, people frequently did it themselves, and were much more cruel and unfair. You have the right to be different, but people will judge you for it and there's bound to be a negative reaction since tolerance is not our race's strength.
You may be joking, but back in the "good" old days, there was a period of time when internet usage went up so quickly that our IRC network was totally saturated... we were getting multi-minute lag frequently, and so we eventually had to resort to DCC Chats. I was putting up with multiple minute pings for a loong time before I found out about DCC... So all you whiners complaining about 300 millisecond pings on UT, shut the fuck up:P
In anticipation of a thousand threads bashing Ultima IX, I would like to be the first (and possibly only) person to clearly state that I liked it, and played it, and even paid for it, unlike 99% of all games I've ever played. Thank you for your time.
Of course, if you've ever read anything about communism, especially about its lame-ass implementation attempts, you'll find that there has never been a communist government in the world, only right-wing dictatorships using communism as an excuse. Real communism would be akin to the so-called "anarchy" many people defend nowadays, a utopian system of non-government where people are all free and equal and all that pink-coloured shit. There will never be anything remotely resembling it without severe genetic mutations taking out the "evil" from people's minds, therefore turning them into mindless zombies with nothing in their heads aside from "sharing" and "cooperating" and working for the "greater good".
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FUD, FUD, FUD... why are people always worrying about nonexistent problems? ;)
For god's sake, do you use TCP/IP? I'll just assume you do
At the router level, IP is exactly like a P2P application. Works, doesnt it?
Of course, it doesnt guarantee reliability and stuff like that, but who cares? You have TCP on top of that to take care of the retransmissions that guarantee reliability.
You seem to not have read my post. I said, it would be invisible to the user, and self-updating. If there was only one person on earth with the ability to setup a server correctly, you could just ask that person to make the setup program that would automagically install all the server software.
Besides it's not like what I propose is something revolutionary. Servers already work like that. But, if everyone ran a server, the massive redundancy and parallelism would give us a huge increase in speed and reliability, eliminating traditional choke points, slashdot effects and DDoS attacks.
Furthermore, if everything ran on top of a demand-based dynamic content relocation P2P algorithm (Freenet-style), we would be using the available bandwidth much more efficiently, thereby greatly reducing traffic in the extremely congested transatlantic cables, among other things.
There's thousands of ppl out there shouting "Everything over P2P!", I don't know why I'm the only one getting dissed. Must not be explaining it very well.
Uh, i think you have it in reverse, consoles are actually severely lacking in my favorite types of games, which usually require a mouse in order to be played well. Sure, Dune 2 came out for genesis, and Dune 2000 did come out for the playstation, but most console games are shallow action thingies... show me a console with a game like Pontifex and I'll buy it today.
I guess you must think euros are children's toys as well. All our notes are pretty and colourful, and they're usually worth more or less the same as dollars.
Don't be so quick to dismiss an idea just because it's a rough draft that purposely ignores future implementation details... There's always more than one way to skin a cat.
Just assign a given region to each server... that's how Second Life works.
When you have a lot of servers, you can just make regions smaller. Dealing with edges is not an issue since the adjacent servers could very well decide among themselves that when two players on different servers begin to interact they are automatically put on only one of the servers.
lanej0 said:
"Maybe people have had enough paying for every aspect of the experience. I pay for the hardware, software and bandwidth. O/S the server and let people run them themselves...."
Exactly. We really need to tell the powers that be that distributed computing is the future. In a world where end-user resources are rapidly becoming superfluous, someone's bound to come along that will notice that the client-server model is obsolete, for the usual centralized view of client-server interaction assumes that the clients have far less resources than the server, which just isn't true anymore.
Anyone can run a server. Most people don't use any of their bandwidth, because all they do on their multi-megabit internet connection is download email off a POP server and browse the web.
Turn the usual protocols into P2P already!
Why should I have to rely on my crappy ISP's slow email server and faulty DNSs when I could just do the same job myself?
Why can't we just have everyone run a server?
Bundle the damn things, activated by default, make them invisible with automatic updates and the millions of end-lusers will never even know that they're running a mini-ISP.
Original AIDS Monkey said:
" The worst part about these games is their difficulty to pirate. Subscription? F that. Give me a free ISO and a CD crack."
Although you may be better known for your frequent trolling activities you have a very interesting point there.
I know this isn't necessarily the case in the USA, but in many many countries piracy is the standard way of getting a game and most people never bought a single box! People who buy games are actually mocked: back in 92 when I was in high school, there was this guy who always bought every game he wanted. We sort of had a love-hate relationship with him, we laughed at him for wasting so much cash on a couple of floppies plus a crappy black and white manual when he could buy a dozen floppy boxes for the exact same price, and just download the game off a BBS or get it from a friend.
Nevertheless, we loved the fact that we could get new games off of him for free, and to this day he is still the only person I ever met who actually bought most of the games he ever played.
There is no such thing as Everquest addiction around here, and I wonder if it isn't exactly because of ubiquitous, socially-condoned software piracy.
Dude, your post didn't contain any profanity. I am displeased. Don't let that happen again.
Since when have people owned good CRTs?
CRTs are like keyboards, you buy the cheapest kind so you can spend money on what actually matters, such as a decent graphics card that can run modern games at an acceptable speed.
I don't even have a monitor, this one is my girlfriend's spare. Mine died years ago.
Most people buy the cheapest speakers because they don't care about the expensive one's added quality.
With monitors it's the same.
Maybe because my crappy old 15 incher already takes up way too much desk space, to the point of my keyboard not fitting in front of it?
I'd love to get an LCD. The image looks so much better, but I can't afford even half of it.
Look, we're the ones footing the bill, aren't we? We're also the ones who will be playing the game.
So why are companies so hellbent on ignoring user input?
Every development process should necessarily include and respect future user input.
I've always loved the feature-voting scripts on many open source projects' webpages, and can't see why companies can't use them as well.
Chronic Logic has added many of my suggestions to their game, Pontifex , even after claiming they were unfeasible. Others could too.
That was a very interesting comment and I'll be keeping your advice in mind for future reference. I do find project management very interesting, and I do hope that I will become a manager one day, since most of the time programming is a bit repetitive, at least for the younger coders.
I tend to think that I have mostly solved the problem posed to me in the first 5 minutes, and given more time would even outline most of the functions needed and how they could interact. Going from there to implementation is often trivial enough that I wish someone would do it for me, but I guess I must endure this trial for many more years before I am deemed "old" enough to manage.
Ok so I'll shut up and listen to you instead. :( ;)
Please explain to me how everyone can get to manager, no matter how good they are. I'm young, dont have an awful lot of work experience, and I just dont see how there is such a demand for managers!
(especially given the fact that there doesnt seem to be much demand for coders either
The logic assumed for one company will still hold for any given number of companies.
For christ's sake how could everyone become manager after some given number of years? The number of managers required is always a lot less than the number of non-managers, so for this to be true, the set of companies, the IT industry as a whole, must grow exponentially. Which it isn't anymore. You only need more managers if you have more employees to manage or if something weird happens to an existing manager. You used to need more managers all the time, and people made manager in 3 or 5 years. But Not Anymore. So the question remains, what will happen to me if I'm both deemed too old for the fast-paced IT biz, and not good enough to be promoted?
I get booted and try to find some other job that will probably pay less.
First of all it seemed a blatant rehash of Populous 3. Except Populous 3 was more fun!
So much for "innovation". The lack of direct control over what was going on frustrated the crap outta me.
You couldnt so much as fart without being instantly considered evil. It was nearly impossible to play as good!
So many times I just wished there was a friggin button!! Innovation is not about being different for difference's sake, its about doing something that's actually better.
What's the usability of a gesture interface? None.
No interface can be considered good if there is a major chance of failing to issue a command to the system.
Am I alone in hating this game?
Everyone says that, but no one notices a simple crucial fact: how many managers do you need???
Let's say that you need one manager for every 10-person team, including teams of managers.
Imagine that a company has a stable work force of 1000 coders.
They only need 100 low-level managers, 10 mid-level managers and one general manager... that's 111 people.
Assuming that everyone came from that same company, merely through gaining the experience that comes with age... where did the other 889 former coders go?
Did they misteriously vanish? Did they all die? Did they continue working at the same old boring code-churning job from college until retirement?
You can't have everyone becoming a manager unless you assume that the company will grow exponentially.
Well I remember recording those crappy 10 minute "data" tapes (were they anything other than a crappy marketing ploy?) to a normal 60 minute audio tape because in large games, having to switch to the other side of the tape often caused the game not to load. Anyone who complains about loading times today should be forced to sit through a 20-minute audiovisual show of annoying blue 'n' yellow borders with static-like noises playing on their tape recorders, only to have the game crash upon loading due to some misread final byte or something, and then have to rewind to the beginning of the tape and try again.
When I finally got a PC, I found floppies so blissfully silent, fast and reliable: games ALWAYS loaded, and they always did it in less than a minute! And even the noisiest floppy drive was still better than 20 minutes of spectrum "music".
A stronger skeleton perhaps? Some microscopic algae apparently use silicon as a skeleton of sorts... diatomaceae? I learned that in high school which, of course, was a long long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
I dont know much about electronics or physics or anything :( :(
I once tried wiring a led to an AA battery but it didnt do squat, lol.
I wouldnt even know where to get electronics material. There is no radio shack in Portugal
If anyone knows of a fool-proof tutorial on led-play for the utterly clueless dummies like me, I would kill to be able to make a battery-powered led constellation to hang on the wall.
As if you couldn't very well do the exact same thing with a regular modem... sheesh.
Well since you want to put it that way, what do you think would happen if you acted in an anti-social way in older times? Lynch mob.
When there was no system in place to punish the misfits, people frequently did it themselves, and were much more cruel and unfair.
You have the right to be different, but people will judge you for it and there's bound to be a negative reaction since tolerance is not our race's strength.
Of course, one could always ask, why are you still stuck on vi... *ducks* =)
You may be joking, but back in the "good" old days, there was a period of time when internet usage went up so quickly that our IRC network was totally saturated... we were getting multi-minute lag frequently, and so we eventually had to resort to DCC Chats. :P
I was putting up with multiple minute pings for a loong time before I found out about DCC...
So all you whiners complaining about 300 millisecond pings on UT, shut the fuck up
In anticipation of a thousand threads bashing Ultima IX, I would like to be the first (and possibly only) person to clearly state that I liked it, and played it, and even paid for it, unlike 99% of all games I've ever played.
Thank you for your time.
/join #yourcityname... always worked for me back when i actually bothered to meet new people.
Of course, if you've ever read anything about communism, especially about its lame-ass implementation attempts, you'll find that there has never been a communist government in the world, only right-wing dictatorships using communism as an excuse.
Real communism would be akin to the so-called "anarchy" many people defend nowadays, a utopian system of non-government where people are all free and equal and all that pink-coloured shit.
There will never be anything remotely resembling it without severe genetic mutations taking out the "evil" from people's minds, therefore turning them into mindless zombies with nothing in their heads aside from "sharing" and "cooperating" and working for the "greater good".