I do agree with you about new companies in the picture.. However, I don't think JVC is new to this industry. I just don't think they import any to the USA. Look at Panasonic. I haven't seen any Panasonic/Matsushita or even Sanyo or Sharp laptops here. When I went to Japan a few months ago on business, they all had a plethora of cool laptops in japan.
Then they need to get rid of the blasted 1.5mbit download cap, and 128kbit upload cap. They can't have both. If they charge for using "extra", than wtf did they institute the cap for? The cap was supposed to limit bandwidth useage. Now they are saying that they don't have enough bandwidth to use your service WITH the cap in place? Then wtf are they doing? Charging us for service we are not supposed to use? Imagine if the rest of the world was like this.
You walk into a buffet restaurant, and pay $8.00 for the buffet, but then on the receipt it says the $8.00 was for the first two plates. Each additional plate is $3.25
It are 40 years that are left. And thats less than fusion scientists expect what they need. (they estimate 50 years at least)
Dude, there's more than 40 years left. Did you read anything I wrote?:)
So earth will get lighter? Well, I suppose it will, if you pull enough hydrogen from water. See here. Specifically the last paragraph. Earth's gravity is not strong enough to hold He.
Sure, to use less energy. And note from humanity how many people do life in industry world? 10 percent? So it are 10% of people who use up 90% of energy resources.
Are you sure that will make a difference? It may be 10% using 90% of energy resources, but I'm sure its the other 90% doing most of the pollution and such. You can make cars as clean/efficient as you want, but so long as the rest of the world is driving around in clunkers, I don't think mother nature will notice the cleaner cars running over here.
This is true, in part. A middle way has to be found. communism does not work, but the softer way, socialism does work. Same here.
Really? I would think socialism doesn't really work either. It _should_ work, but it usually doesn't. Just go to canada, and try to get some decent health care. Sure, its free, but you'll probably drop dead before you get to the front of the line. And look at the Welfare system in the states.
The austrian trains drive by a water powerplant in salzburg. Yes it does take away a handfull of mountain brooks, but it has an good energy/damadge ratio.
You should come visit the pacific northwest, in the states. You would think hydro-power is clean and such, but the environmentalists still found a way to bitch that the dams are killing the fish, and such, and are disturbing the natural balance of the river, etc etc, and they want to rip all the dams out. As soon as you think you found a solution, another environmentalist will attempt to shoot you down, so there is no winning:~/ If it isn't bad for the atmosphere, it's probably killing a spotted owl, an indiginous(sp?) species of fish, or some other animal that nobody cares about. Even if we got all the cards in order, the government will go and do something stupid like, "ban fishing of salmon in the rivers, but allow indians to fish as much as they want", or "ban whale hunting, but let the indians capture a whale", etc etc. So I'm sure whatever animals we may have saved, got killed anyways. I'll also never understand the way some people think... Oooh, lets save the fish, by not letting farmers irrigate using water tapped from Klamath. Sure we'll destroy all the crops, and put half the state's farmers out of work because the farmland will become dry and all the soil will blow away, leaving the land permanantely scarred and unuseable, but think of the fish!
Isn't that only if the computer is off with the power supply switch still on? If the power supply is physically off, I don't see how the computer could turn on. Soft-mode power only works if the power supply allows you to turn it on. With the switch off, I don't think you can. That's why you can intercept hitting the power button on your computer, but not when you flip the switch in back.
I could've sworn, (been a while, haven't needed to open any cases lately), that the green LED on the MB that is usually lit when the power is off, actually turns off when you flip the physical power switch on the power supply. It just takes a second or two for the LED to discharge the electricity from the capacitor.
a) So let's just continue to waste oil because there _might_ be possiblity to convert coal to oil? Nonsense. And second I'm quite happy oil is limited, with this the greenhouse effect and pollution is also limited.
Actually, there _already_ is a process to convert coal to oil. But I didn't mean, to continue waste resources. I just meant there is no reason to go into a paranoid frenzy.
b) Mr Fusion? Note quite as timelines are drawing out. doing fusion with winning energy is not an easy thing to do.
This was mostly sarcastic, but being serious for a second... Assuming we have 100-300 years of oil left, that's plenty of time to develop fusion. Roll back the clock 300 years to the 1600's. I'm sure they'd think you were crazy talking about multi ghz computers, nuclear fission, etc etc. They were just warming up to the fact that the earth was round and not the center of the universe. Heck, just roll the clock back 20 years, when the 4.77mhz IBM PC came out. I'm sure they'd think you were crazy if you told them you could have a 2 ghz "notebook" computer, with 160 gig hard drive the size of your wallet, with 2 gigs of ram...
Next we will exhaust quite some amounts of helium into our atmosphere, okay helium is a inert gas, so doesn't react so quickly, but what effects of high additional amounts of helium can have, we don't know.
Aside from the fact Helium is inert, the Earth's gravity is not strong enough to hold it, so any and ALL helium vented into the atmosphere will simply float off into space.
what ill can 1 or 2 addiotonal percent do? Well melting of the ice cap, end of netherlends, north germany, new york, east and west american coast etc.
Nothing irritates me more than the global warming propaganda. Now I'm not saying that we shouldn't do anything, but please, stop with the "sky is falling" crap. Back in the 70's scientists thought we were headed for another ice age. Now all of a sudden we are headed towards global warming? The weathermen can't even predict next week's forcast... Besides, when Mt. Pinatubo errupted, it spewed more greenhouse gasses then man has produced in all of mankind. And how many volcanic erruptions have there been in earth history? Now I'm not saying we should just ignore everything, just stop with the sky is falling;)
Every energy resource has it's troubles, some have more some have less, but there is not a single way to obtain energy cleanly...
snip snip
Tell me a single energy source without any negative effects?
Since most every energy source is bad, and you offer no solution, STOP 'YER BITCH'n.... We can't just pull this energy out of our a$$es.
Look at people like me who say, come on drive a little less around, we should all live a smaller live style, does anybody like me because of this?
This is like communism. Sounds good in theory, but never works in practice. Just come to my neck of the woods. In the name of reducing pollution, they expanded light rail. Too bad it stops in places where nobody wants to go, and takes exceedingly long to get there. To increase rider ship, they installed bike racks on the busses and trains and such. Gee, that was a great idea. Now folks who would've otherwise have ridden their bikes, now get to pollute the environment by riding one of these busses. Sounds good in theory, because now you can ride your bike to work right? Well, over here, I remember they did a piece on that too. Most of em' did it because they could, not because they wanted/needed to. Meaning they would've just ridden their bike to wherever they were going. Heck, in the interviews, most of the people on the bus didn't even have cars. So they weren't really cutting on pollution there either. Granted, in theory this isn't supposed to happen, but this is what happens when you have a DOA public transportation system.
On another note, it reminds me of the subways in Japan. Sure, all this public transportation is supposed to save resources, pollution, etc etc. But where in the hell are they getting all this paper to print the tickets, and fare-adjustment tickets, etc etc? Even if they recycled the paper, it aint recyclin' itself, it needs energy. And where is all this energy coming from? Where is the energy to drive these trains comming from?
I remember watching the discovery channel, and they were talking about converting coal into oil. They said right now its cheaper to just import oil from the middle east, but they said that if it came down to it, and they used coal and converted it to oil, the US would be the largest oil producer in the world, with enough coal to produce oil for about 100-300 years or something like that. It was a while ago, so don't quote me on the exact number of years. But it was something really large. And none of this was touching anything in Alaska... There was a whole 'nother episode on that....
Besides, I'm sure by the time we run out of oil, our cars will have "Mr. Fusion" up and running.
Mobile-1 makes the best damn oil filter around. AC-Delco Ultraguard Gold is awesome as well. Though they are both the same filter, (champion labs)... Better then almost every OEM filter. Though I will admit, most other oil filters are pretty crappy. Like fram... Check out this
If somebody mails me a MotorTrend magazine, the shit is mine... Doesn't matter if I paid for it or not.
Likewise, if I paid for cable TV, the sh*t is mine to do however I feel, outside of redistributing the content.
How is this like porn on the net? When you go to their site, they present you with a screen asking for payment, blah blah blah.
When I turn on friends, there is nothing that pops onto the screen saying that I have to watch the damn commercials, or hurry and call them on the phone to give them my credit card number.
Usually (not saying in this case) the way advertisement works, is that the advertiser pays the distributor to show their ads, because the distributor is giving them a ballpark figure of how many people will be exposed to their advertisements. It would be kind of stupid to have it work the other way. Its like placing an add in the paper... You pay the paper, not the other way around. So does it mean that if you pay the NY Times to advertise your car, and then Joe Blow buys the paper, and throws away the classified section, he's stealing the paper? Didn't you say that paying for the paper was just paying for the distribution feed, not the content?
Besides, how is it stealing by using a Tivo different then me holding the FF button during the commercials on my VCR?
They would take the law verbatim. If they used the "spirit of the law", it would not be acceptable to take advantage of the oh so many damn loop holes in the tax code:)
You are BUYING the software, because nowhere did anybody present you with a LICENSE agreement AT TIME OF PURCHASE, so the SALES DOCTRINE will apply... You CANNOT turn a purchase into a lease AFTER THE FACT....
This like you go to buy your car... Two years later some goons come to your house, saying you need to return the car or pay up. The goons inform you that you leased the car not purchased it, because if you would taken a close look at the ignition switch, you would see the engraved words that say, "By inserting key into this slot, you hereby agree to the terms listed under the mat in the trunk.", to which you'll find the lease agreement.
If I take a contract, and photocopy it, with tape over the words, so that the copy comes out blank, and then sign it, I'm bound by what the blank piece of paper says, NOT THE ORIGINAL contract, because YOU DIDN'T SIGN the original contract.
The computer is used as a delivery mechanism. Just because the company is too stupid to realise how poor that mechanism is for delivering this is their own fault.
If the same company gave me the license written on paper, and I walk over to joe blow and give him a blank piece of paper to sign, that doesn't bind him to the original contract. PRESENTATION of a contract is critical. That's why when you get a court summons, they don't send joe somebody to your house to deliver it to you, they need to send an authority figure.
by neglecting to present the license to you AT TIME OF PURCHASE, they didn't tell you what their indended purpose is. So that means sales doctrine applies, which says you can use it FOR WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT. Use it as a coaster if you want to... How was I supposed to know that the authors don't want me using the software on the third tuesday of each month of the year, when saturn is visible on the first tuesday, punishable by $10,000.00 in fines?
1.) They told you about the warranty before you bought the thing.
2.) This is not equivalent to breaking the warranty seal. Using the same analogy this is like having a seal on the CD sleave that says by breaking this sticker, you are bound to blah blah blah, so you say screw it, and cut the thing open with scissors. Refering back to the warranty seal, this is like if you have a warranty seal on your device, but the clowns who manufactured the device didn't realize you can unscrew the bottom plate and pull the guts out without removing the cover, hence NOT BREAKING the seal, HENCE NOT VIOLATING the warranty, because YOU DIDN'T BREAK THE SEAL, and furthmore since nobody and nothing told you that anything else would violate the warranty except for breaking the seal...
This is like buying a car, and the thing breaks down, and you take it to the dealer for repairs, to which they say, nope, sorry warranty doesn't cover cars sold on the date you purchased your car... To which you say, "says who/what"... Then the dealer says, "says the warranty exceptions document"...
"And where is that?" you ask... To which the dealer says, "If you remove your rear seat from your car, and touch the two exposed wires together, while looking into the rearview mirror, while standing on one leg, the document will then pop out of the slot above the glove box.
you're changing the program in a way that the author did not intend.
Since the author/reseller didn't present you with a license agreement at TIME OF PURCHASE, sales doctrine says the thing is yours. That means since author didn't tell me what I CANNOT DO, I can DO WHATEVER I WANT to it. Whether that be using the CD as a frisbee or installing the software. After all, since I was not presented with any contracts/licenses at time of purchase, HOW THE HECK AM I SUPPOSED to know what the author's indended useage scenarios are? Am I supposed to divine them? Even if you don't delete the license file, its validity is still up in the air. Just ask the judge in the adobe case.
Once you buy it, IT IS YOURS (since they didn't present you with a license AT TIME OF PURCHASE).
A judge already said this in the adobe case.
Its like if you go to buy a house with cash. Owners hand over the keys and the deed, no questions asked. Then when you go to your new house, and open the front door, you find a note taped to all the furniture that says that buy opening the front door, you hereby agree to enter into a lease of this property for xxx dollars a month, and that you must give the deed back to the "real owners" of the property.
When you buy the said software, since no license was presented AT TIME OF PURCHASE, then the Sales Doctrine applies, which basically says that since no license was presented, no license shall be bound....
Isn't reverse engineering when you try to recreate the thing, which we aren't doing in this case. Besides, until you "accept" the agreement you aren't bound to anything right? Its like when I installed JBuilder. It's not my fault the license file "disappeared" somehow, so the license window I was presented said something like, "... Agree, disagree?"
The license says something like you are not going to fiddle/hack/mutilate the software etc etc. But if you agree to it, you aren't bound to those restrictions. So if you get rid of the license file, and then try to install, it doesn't present you with a license:>:>:>
That's why you turn the sleeve over, (neglecting to read the sticker), and cut the thing open. Don't those stickers usually say, "by breaking this seal"... Doesn't matter anyways, since we "never saw" the sticker... Or just "drop" it on the floor, and the CD will "fall" out of the sleeve:>
And "bundling" IE with Windows damaged Java's distribution how? I use XP and Linux at work, yet I still use JDK 1.3.1. On the various computers in our lab, I have JVM's running from Sun, Borland, and IBM. Yet none of those computers have netscape, except for our 3 linux boxes.
If Windows did not have IE built in, how exactly are you going to "download" Netscape or a JVM? FTP? But windows shouldn't be "bundled" with FTP either right? So _HOW_ are you going to install it?
Since when does a company _have_ to include some other company's stuff? Why does Windows _have_ to include a JVM at all? Since when does microsoft _HAVE_ to license a JVM so they can _include_ it in their OS???????
So if MS is going to have to license a JVM to inlclude, which JVM should they use? And I bet if they did do that, every _other_ manufacturer of JVMs will raise a stink that they are abusing their monopoly by using company x's JVM instead of company y's....
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How about 7 of 9 from Voyager?
I think they both died a few years ago. I think they were still clenching those 8" floppy discs in their cold hands.
I do agree with you about new companies in the picture.. However, I don't think JVC is new to this industry. I just don't think they import any to the USA. Look at Panasonic. I haven't seen any Panasonic/Matsushita or even Sanyo or Sharp laptops here. When I went to Japan a few months ago on business, they all had a plethora of cool laptops in japan.
I thought they turn into extra coat hangers in your closet...
Apple did NOT create SCSI. Look here for the history of SCSI. Apple may have popularized it, but they did not invent it.
Sony is the one that calls 1394 iLink
Then they need to get rid of the blasted 1.5mbit download cap, and 128kbit upload cap. They can't have both. If they charge for using "extra", than wtf did they institute the cap for? The cap was supposed to limit bandwidth useage. Now they are saying that they don't have enough bandwidth to use your service WITH the cap in place? Then wtf are they doing? Charging us for service we are not supposed to use? Imagine if the rest of the world was like this.
You walk into a buffet restaurant, and pay $8.00 for the buffet, but then on the receipt it says the $8.00 was for the first two plates. Each additional plate is $3.25
It are 40 years that are left. And thats less than fusion scientists expect what they need. (they estimate 50 years at least)
:)
:~/ If it isn't bad for the atmosphere, it's probably killing a spotted owl, an indiginous(sp?) species of fish, or some other animal that nobody cares about. Even if we got all the cards in order, the government will go and do something stupid like, "ban fishing of salmon in the rivers, but allow indians to fish as much as they want", or "ban whale hunting, but let the indians capture a whale", etc etc. So I'm sure whatever animals we may have saved, got killed anyways. I'll also never understand the way some people think... Oooh, lets save the fish, by not letting farmers irrigate using water tapped from Klamath. Sure we'll destroy all the crops, and put half the state's farmers out of work because the farmland will become dry and all the soil will blow away, leaving the land permanantely scarred and unuseable, but think of the fish!
Dude, there's more than 40 years left. Did you read anything I wrote?
So earth will get lighter?
Well, I suppose it will, if you pull enough hydrogen from water. See here. Specifically the last paragraph. Earth's gravity is not strong enough to hold He.
Sure, to use less energy. And note from humanity how many people do life in industry world? 10 percent? So it are 10% of people who use up 90% of energy resources.
Are you sure that will make a difference? It may be 10% using 90% of energy resources, but I'm sure its the other 90% doing most of the pollution and such. You can make cars as clean/efficient as you want, but so long as the rest of the world is driving around in clunkers, I don't think mother nature will notice the cleaner cars running over here.
This is true, in part. A middle way has to be found. communism does not work, but the softer way, socialism does work. Same here.
Really? I would think socialism doesn't really work either. It _should_ work, but it usually doesn't. Just go to canada, and try to get some decent health care. Sure, its free, but you'll probably drop dead before you get to the front of the line. And look at the Welfare system in the states.
The austrian trains drive by a water powerplant in salzburg. Yes it does take away a handfull of mountain brooks, but it has an good energy/damadge ratio.
You should come visit the pacific northwest, in the states. You would think hydro-power is clean and such, but the environmentalists still found a way to bitch that the dams are killing the fish, and such, and are disturbing the natural balance of the river, etc etc, and they want to rip all the dams out. As soon as you think you found a solution, another environmentalist will attempt to shoot you down, so there is no winning
Isn't that only if the computer is off with the power supply switch still on? If the power supply is physically off, I don't see how the computer could turn on. Soft-mode power only works if the power supply allows you to turn it on. With the switch off, I don't think you can. That's why you can intercept hitting the power button on your computer, but not when you flip the switch in back.
I could've sworn, (been a while, haven't needed to open any cases lately), that the green LED on the MB that is usually lit when the power is off, actually turns off when you flip the physical power switch on the power supply. It just takes a second or two for the LED to discharge the electricity from the capacitor.
a) So let's just continue to waste oil because there _might_ be possiblity to convert coal to oil? Nonsense. And second I'm quite happy oil is limited, with this the greenhouse effect and pollution is also limited.
;)
Actually, there _already_ is a process to convert coal to oil. But I didn't mean, to continue waste resources. I just meant there is no reason to go into a paranoid frenzy.
b) Mr Fusion? Note quite as timelines are drawing out. doing fusion with winning energy is not an easy thing to do.
This was mostly sarcastic, but being serious for a second... Assuming we have 100-300 years of oil left, that's plenty of time to develop fusion. Roll back the clock 300 years to the 1600's. I'm sure they'd think you were crazy talking about multi ghz computers, nuclear fission, etc etc. They were just warming up to the fact that the earth was round and not the center of the universe. Heck, just roll the clock back 20 years, when the 4.77mhz IBM PC came out. I'm sure they'd think you were crazy if you told them you could have a 2 ghz "notebook" computer, with 160 gig hard drive the size of your wallet, with 2 gigs of ram...
Next we will exhaust quite some amounts of helium into our atmosphere, okay helium is a inert gas, so doesn't react so quickly, but what effects of high additional amounts of helium can have, we don't know.
Aside from the fact Helium is inert, the Earth's gravity is not strong enough to hold it, so any and ALL helium vented into the atmosphere will simply float off into space.
what ill can 1 or 2 addiotonal percent do? Well melting of the ice cap, end of netherlends, north germany, new york, east and west american coast etc.
Nothing irritates me more than the global warming propaganda. Now I'm not saying that we shouldn't do anything, but please, stop with the "sky is falling" crap. Back in the 70's scientists thought we were headed for another ice age. Now all of a sudden we are headed towards global warming? The weathermen can't even predict next week's forcast... Besides, when Mt. Pinatubo errupted, it spewed more greenhouse gasses then man has produced in all of mankind. And how many volcanic erruptions have there been in earth history? Now I'm not saying we should just ignore everything, just stop with the sky is falling
Every energy resource has it's troubles, some have more some have less, but there is not a single way to obtain energy cleanly...
snip snip
Tell me a single energy source without any negative effects?
Since most every energy source is bad, and you offer no solution, STOP 'YER BITCH'n.... We can't just pull this energy out of our a$$es.
Look at people like me who say, come on drive a little less around, we should all live a smaller live style, does anybody like me because of this?
This is like communism. Sounds good in theory, but never works in practice. Just come to my neck of the woods. In the name of reducing pollution, they expanded light rail. Too bad it stops in places where nobody wants to go, and takes exceedingly long to get there. To increase rider ship, they installed bike racks on the busses and trains and such. Gee, that was a great idea. Now folks who would've otherwise have ridden their bikes, now get to pollute the environment by riding one of these busses. Sounds good in theory, because now you can ride your bike to work right? Well, over here, I remember they did a piece on that too. Most of em' did it because they could, not because they wanted/needed to. Meaning they would've just ridden their bike to wherever they were going. Heck, in the interviews, most of the people on the bus didn't even have cars. So they weren't really cutting on pollution there either. Granted, in theory this isn't supposed to happen, but this is what happens when you have a DOA public transportation system.
On another note, it reminds me of the subways in Japan. Sure, all this public transportation is supposed to save resources, pollution, etc etc. But where in the hell are they getting all this paper to print the tickets, and fare-adjustment tickets, etc etc? Even if they recycled the paper, it aint recyclin' itself, it needs energy. And where is all this energy coming from? Where is the energy to drive these trains comming from?
I remember watching the discovery channel, and they were talking about converting coal into oil. They said right now its cheaper to just import oil from the middle east, but they said that if it came down to it, and they used coal and converted it to oil, the US would be the largest oil producer in the world, with enough coal to produce oil for about 100-300 years or something like that. It was a while ago, so don't quote me on the exact number of years. But it was something really large. And none of this was touching anything in Alaska... There was a whole 'nother episode on that....
Besides, I'm sure by the time we run out of oil, our cars will have "Mr. Fusion" up and running.
Mobile-1 makes the best damn oil filter around. AC-Delco Ultraguard Gold is awesome as well. Though they are both the same filter, (champion labs)...
Better then almost every OEM filter. Though I will admit, most other oil filters are pretty crappy. Like fram... Check out this
If somebody mails me a MotorTrend magazine, the shit is mine... Doesn't matter if I paid for it or not.
Likewise, if I paid for cable TV, the sh*t is mine to do however I feel, outside of redistributing the content.
How is this like porn on the net? When you go to their site, they present you with a screen asking for payment, blah blah blah.
When I turn on friends, there is nothing that pops onto the screen saying that I have to watch the damn commercials, or hurry and call them on the phone to give them my credit card number.
Usually (not saying in this case) the way advertisement works, is that the advertiser pays the distributor to show their ads, because the distributor is giving them a ballpark figure of how many people will be exposed to their advertisements. It would be kind of stupid to have it work the other way. Its like placing an add in the paper... You pay the paper, not the other way around. So does it mean that if you pay the NY Times to advertise your car, and then Joe Blow buys the paper, and throws away the classified section, he's stealing the paper? Didn't you say that paying for the paper was just paying for the distribution feed, not the content?
Besides, how is it stealing by using a Tivo different then me holding the FF button during the commercials on my VCR?
They would take the law verbatim. If they used the "spirit of the law", it would not be acceptable to take advantage of the oh so many damn loop holes in the tax code :)
You are BUYING the software, because nowhere did anybody present you with a LICENSE agreement AT TIME OF PURCHASE, so the SALES DOCTRINE will apply... You CANNOT turn a purchase into a lease AFTER THE FACT....
This like you go to buy your car... Two years later some goons come to your house, saying you need to return the car or pay up. The goons inform you that you leased the car not purchased it, because if you would taken a close look at the ignition switch, you would see the engraved words that say, "By inserting key into this slot, you hereby agree to the terms listed under the mat in the trunk.", to which you'll find the lease agreement.
Actually, you're wrong...
If I take a contract, and photocopy it, with tape over the words, so that the copy comes out blank, and then sign it, I'm bound by what the blank piece of paper says, NOT THE ORIGINAL contract, because YOU DIDN'T SIGN the original contract.
The computer is used as a delivery mechanism. Just because the company is too stupid to realise how poor that mechanism is for delivering this is their own fault.
If the same company gave me the license written on paper, and I walk over to joe blow and give him a blank piece of paper to sign, that doesn't bind him to the original contract. PRESENTATION of a contract is critical. That's why when you get a court summons, they don't send joe somebody to your house to deliver it to you, they need to send an authority figure.
by neglecting to present the license to you AT TIME OF PURCHASE, they didn't tell you what their indended purpose is. So that means sales doctrine applies, which says you can use it FOR WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT. Use it as a coaster if you want to... How was I supposed to know that the authors don't want me using the software on the third tuesday of each month of the year, when saturn is visible on the first tuesday, punishable by $10,000.00 in fines?
This is not true for many reasons...
1.) They told you about the warranty before you bought the thing.
2.) This is not equivalent to breaking the warranty seal. Using the same analogy this is like having a seal on the CD sleave that says by breaking this sticker, you are bound to blah blah blah, so you say screw it, and cut the thing open with scissors. Refering back to the warranty seal, this is like if you have a warranty seal on your device, but the clowns who manufactured the device didn't realize you can unscrew the bottom plate and pull the guts out without removing the cover, hence NOT BREAKING the seal, HENCE NOT VIOLATING the warranty, because YOU DIDN'T BREAK THE SEAL, and furthmore since nobody and nothing told you that anything else would violate the warranty except for breaking the seal...
This is like buying a car, and the thing breaks down, and you take it to the dealer for repairs, to which they say, nope, sorry warranty doesn't cover cars sold on the date you purchased your car... To which you say, "says who/what"...
Then the dealer says, "says the warranty exceptions document"...
"And where is that?" you ask...
To which the dealer says, "If you remove your rear seat from your car, and touch the two exposed wires together, while looking into the rearview mirror, while standing on one leg, the document will then pop out of the slot above the glove box.
you're changing the program in a way that the author did not intend.
Since the author/reseller didn't present you with a license agreement at TIME OF PURCHASE, sales doctrine says the thing is yours. That means since author didn't tell me what I CANNOT DO, I can DO WHATEVER I WANT to it. Whether that be using the CD as a frisbee or installing the software. After all, since I was not presented with any contracts/licenses at time of purchase, HOW THE HECK AM I SUPPOSED to know what the author's indended useage scenarios are? Am I supposed to divine them? Even if you don't delete the license file, its validity is still up in the air. Just ask the judge in the adobe case.
Once you buy it, IT IS YOURS (since they didn't present you with a license AT TIME OF PURCHASE).
A judge already said this in the adobe case.
Its like if you go to buy a house with cash. Owners hand over the keys and the deed, no questions asked. Then when you go to your new house, and open the front door, you find a note taped to all the furniture that says that buy opening the front door, you hereby agree to enter into a lease of this property for xxx dollars a month, and that you must give the deed back to the "real owners" of the property.
Bzzzt, can't do that....
When you buy the said software, since no license was presented AT TIME OF PURCHASE, then the Sales Doctrine applies, which basically says that since no license was presented, no license shall be bound....
Isn't reverse engineering when you try to recreate the thing, which we aren't doing in this case. Besides, until you "accept" the agreement you aren't bound to anything right? Its like when I installed JBuilder. It's not my fault the license file "disappeared" somehow, so the license window I was presented said something like, "... Agree, disagree?"
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The license says something like you are not going to fiddle/hack/mutilate the software etc etc. But if you agree to it, you aren't bound to those restrictions. So if you get rid of the license file, and then try to install, it doesn't present you with a license
That's why you turn the sleeve over, (neglecting to read the sticker), and cut the thing open. Don't those stickers usually say, "by breaking this seal"... Doesn't matter anyways, since we "never saw" the sticker... Or just "drop" it on the floor, and the CD will "fall" out of the sleeve :>
And "bundling" IE with Windows damaged Java's distribution how? I use XP and Linux at work, yet I still use JDK 1.3.1. On the various computers in our lab, I have JVM's running from Sun, Borland, and IBM. Yet none of those computers have netscape, except for our 3 linux boxes.
If Windows did not have IE built in, how exactly are you going to "download" Netscape or a JVM? FTP? But windows shouldn't be "bundled" with FTP either right? So _HOW_ are you going to install it?
Since when does a company _have_ to include some other company's stuff? Why does Windows _have_ to include a JVM at all? Since when does microsoft _HAVE_ to license a JVM so they can _include_ it in their OS???????
So if MS is going to have to license a JVM to inlclude, which JVM should they use? And I bet if they did do that, every _other_ manufacturer of JVMs will raise a stink that they are abusing their monopoly by using company x's JVM instead of company y's....