I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm not sure what part of my comment made you think that, but I am not trying to do so. Keep in mind this is part of a larger discussion, so I am not limited to rebutting things you have said.
In any case, I think the crux of our disagreement has to do with the word "free." You take it to mean that "all of the artificial restrictions need to be removed accept for the desire to have something or participate." I take it to mean that you are free to change jobs if you so choose, and your employer is free to make the same decision. The linked article basically covers this. Labor is not an ideal market in the sense that commodities (mostly) are. There is a large amount of inertia, and their are equilibrium inducing factors that must be taken into account. These are the macroeconomic effects of the individual pressures you described above.
The tech industry is not a single entity. If IBM requires you to adopt the sign of the beast, but Oracle will not, you can work for Oracle, or, if you have no problem with it, work for IBM. The very few times that all employers require the same thing it is due to business necessity, obviousness of the issue in question, or legislation. Examples, in order, are large bouncers at clubs, waitering around dinner time, and presenting a social security card or the like. An example, not too different from the topic of this thread, of something that only some employers require, as it is not necessary, is random drug testing.
When it comes to employment in the United States of America, you are free to choose; we call that right to work, which I feel is the most accurate description.
So you're saying that it's not a free market because you (may) have to move or commute. By that logic, the stock market is not free because you have to pay your broker ~9 bucks to make the trade. Anyways, this page has a better summary of labour economics than I can give you. See the macro and micro sections for both sides of this argument.
More on topic, I think such implantation is a gross invasion of privacy, but I absolutely hate it when lawmakers go legislating away problems that don't exist, inevitably wasting taxpayer money in the process, just so they can claim it next election.
Here's as good a summary as I can give. California is really two different places: northern and southern. I live in the middle so I'm neutral. Northern California is full of would-be hippies who would turn us communist if they could. 'Cept we'd be the good, not-failing-at-life kinda communists.
Southern California is... err mixed if you want to all it that.
The boon of having the would-be-hippies around is that their inherent suspicion of government helps to limit its power over the worker. The bane is that their philosophies are openly hostile towards commerce, thus preventing desirable transactions from occurring. This does not bother liberals, because transactions, to them, are inherently one-sided, and whomever is getting paid is the loser.
I propose we start imposing California laws on the rest of America with prop. 187.
For all the law and courts have done to stop it that may as well be the case. Bottom line: you choose for whom you work, and you have plenty of opportunity to work for yourself.
Many people choose to work for themselves and be sexually harassed. Go figure.
I dunno what business you're in these days, but the IT business is quite... um elastic, if that's the word you want to use. This is a result of 1% unemployment.
I think it's a common liberal mistake to assume people can't choose their jobs. This only applies to people who have no savings and countries where people can't be fired. I may be narrow in assuming that we're talking about the U.S. here, but I don't see this country having an implanted-RFID privacy problem any time soon. I'll leave the what-ifs for SciFi novels.
Well, 90% of statistics are made up on the spot. I should have said 90% non-cash anyways. Checks, debits, and foodstamps all see a lot of use. I will say that the number of credit/debit (how can I tell?) users has skyrocketed in the past 6 or 7 years, pushed largely by the rise of the debit card.
Now that illegal aliens can get credit cards I imagine it will continue to rise. Of course, they are largely paid in cash as well, so who knows.
My rent is 1/3 of what you'd pay for a somewhat nicer condo in the area. I'd give you better number, but the cheapest condos are $500k. They are prolly nicer, but I can't afford it anyways. Welcome to the hotel California...
Eh, may as well get a leg up. They'll be asking you for far more money in the future, and you'll have to pay it to get the crappy magazine, which you'll want for some reason... Is that just me?
Not only that, but the way interest is compounded based on the time of the loan, you will pay much less in the end.
For instance: a $100,000 will cost you ~$216,000 total over 30 years. Over 15, it will cost you $151,740. Of course, you should always consider opportunity cost, but you should also consider a 15-year mortgage if you can. I realize this is not an option if you live in coastal California. I can't even afford the 30-year mortgage, and I'm gainfully employed.
It's also (mostly?) the suckers who pay interest on credit card debts who fund the rewards. I mean 6% interest if you float it for 4 months will pay for 3 people's rewards.
I will point out that, although there are costs associated with cash, they only go away if a business does not accept cash at all, which is an odd thing to do offline. A large business, 90% credit like my grocery store, may save some trips to the bank by taking in less cash, but a small business that is half cash will have about the same costs. I would guess most of the loss comes from stolen and counterfeit money. You ever notice they give franklins a good look under a blacklight some places?
Well, as long as he didn't have an AmEx sticker on the door I suppose that's fair. Seems like kind of a swindle to me though. Places which don't take any credit cards or all of the common credit cards should post it loud and clear, as it's quite uncommon. Especially places where you are asked to pay afterwards, like restaurants. I'm not knocking you for doing a favor to a polite restaurant owner that you may like, but asking for alternate (more costly) payment after the fact is asking you for more money, which is not a polite thing to do.
Oh, and you should be able to get a Visa with 1% cash back these days. I have one, and I got it when I was a broke student. No idea what the interest rate is as I have never paid a dime. A Costco AmEx will get you 3% on restaurant bills. When you would otherwise split the bill at a restaurant with friends, take the cash and pay card. The wait(e)r(ess) will appreciate it, and you'll save some cash.
Banquet frozen meals. 500 cals at least. One single, solitary, George-Washington-spamming dollar..02/cal. They're not too bad for you either, although no one would call them health food. The only really bad thing is they contain a lot of sodium.
I'm bored of Oblivion, Halo 3 beta is over, and $15/month is a hell of alot cheaper than a PS3.
Oh wait you were asking why people pay for gold... Gold farming sucks. The game can be genuinely fun, but no one wants to go around collecting resources or "massacring monks."
From TFS (summary), they make $80,000 a year. I'm not sure if that's net revenue or what, and I'm sure they're accounting's not up to Sarbanes-Oxley standards, but it's not like there's some sort of exorbitantly compensated CEO, although I'm sure that does go a long way in China.
I suppose it's not a problem across the pond. I wouldn't be opposed to a blanket stereotype that Brits are better drivers than USians. If they did that here, 16-year-olds would kill us all. Not that they're not trying already. Car crashes are the leading cause of death in certain demographics, although a large portion of those are attributed to drunk (drink:) driving.
Wait for times to be tough and get a zero percent loan, like they had about a year ago. Then they're basically giving you money, if only because the money you pay them will be worth less 3 years from now.
Wait your traffic lights tell you when they're about to turn green. Sounds kind of dangerous. Yeah I realize you can look at the other side's light, but that system seems kind of like the beginning of a race every time.
Yeah it says that only data which stays the same for a long time in DRAM is recoverable and then only for hours, unless you keep it very cold, in which case it might last a few weeks.
Let's hope the torrent people won't be sending it liquid nitrogen wrapped.
If IE wasn't bundled, how would you download Firefox? NCSA FTP?
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I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm not sure what part of my comment made you think that, but I am not trying to do so. Keep in mind this is part of a larger discussion, so I am not limited to rebutting things you have said.
In any case, I think the crux of our disagreement has to do with the word "free." You take it to mean that "all of the artificial restrictions need to be removed accept for the desire to have something or participate." I take it to mean that you are free to change jobs if you so choose, and your employer is free to make the same decision. The linked article basically covers this. Labor is not an ideal market in the sense that commodities (mostly) are. There is a large amount of inertia, and their are equilibrium inducing factors that must be taken into account. These are the macroeconomic effects of the individual pressures you described above.
The tech industry is not a single entity. If IBM requires you to adopt the sign of the beast, but Oracle will not, you can work for Oracle, or, if you have no problem with it, work for IBM. The very few times that all employers require the same thing it is due to business necessity, obviousness of the issue in question, or legislation. Examples, in order, are large bouncers at clubs, waitering around dinner time, and presenting a social security card or the like. An example, not too different from the topic of this thread, of something that only some employers require, as it is not necessary, is random drug testing.
When it comes to employment in the United States of America, you are free to choose; we call that right to work, which I feel is the most accurate description.
So you're saying that it's not a free market because you (may) have to move or commute. By that logic, the stock market is not free because you have to pay your broker ~9 bucks to make the trade. Anyways, this page has a better summary of labour economics than I can give you. See the macro and micro sections for both sides of this argument.
More on topic, I think such implantation is a gross invasion of privacy, but I absolutely hate it when lawmakers go legislating away problems that don't exist, inevitably wasting taxpayer money in the process, just so they can claim it next election.
Here's as good a summary as I can give. California is really two different places: northern and southern. I live in the middle so I'm neutral. Northern California is full of would-be hippies who would turn us communist if they could. 'Cept we'd be the good, not-failing-at-life kinda communists.
Southern California is... err mixed if you want to all it that.
The boon of having the would-be-hippies around is that their inherent suspicion of government helps to limit its power over the worker. The bane is that their philosophies are openly hostile towards commerce, thus preventing desirable transactions from occurring. This does not bother liberals, because transactions, to them, are inherently one-sided, and whomever is getting paid is the loser.
I propose we start imposing California laws on the rest of America with prop. 187.
Unsourced sibling aside, this is a solution looking for a problem, and there are lot of actual, verifiable problems in this state.
Somebody on this site: please post your implantable RFID horror story.
For all the law and courts have done to stop it that may as well be the case. Bottom line: you choose for whom you work, and you have plenty of opportunity to work for yourself.
Many people choose to work for themselves and be sexually harassed. Go figure.
I dunno what business you're in these days, but the IT business is quite... um elastic, if that's the word you want to use. This is a result of 1% unemployment.
I think it's a common liberal mistake to assume people can't choose their jobs. This only applies to people who have no savings and countries where people can't be fired. I may be narrow in assuming that we're talking about the U.S. here, but I don't see this country having an implanted-RFID privacy problem any time soon. I'll leave the what-ifs for SciFi novels.
Well, 90% of statistics are made up on the spot. I should have said 90% non-cash anyways. Checks, debits, and foodstamps all see a lot of use. I will say that the number of credit/debit (how can I tell?) users has skyrocketed in the past 6 or 7 years, pushed largely by the rise of the debit card.
Now that illegal aliens can get credit cards I imagine it will continue to rise. Of course, they are largely paid in cash as well, so who knows.
My rent is 1/3 of what you'd pay for a somewhat nicer condo in the area. I'd give you better number, but the cheapest condos are $500k. They are prolly nicer, but I can't afford it anyways. Welcome to the hotel California...
Eh, may as well get a leg up. They'll be asking you for far more money in the future, and you'll have to pay it to get the crappy magazine, which you'll want for some reason... Is that just me?
Not only that, but the way interest is compounded based on the time of the loan, you will pay much less in the end.
For instance: a $100,000 will cost you ~$216,000 total over 30 years. Over 15, it will cost you $151,740. Of course, you should always consider opportunity cost, but you should also consider a 15-year mortgage if you can. I realize this is not an option if you live in coastal California. I can't even afford the 30-year mortgage, and I'm gainfully employed.
It's also (mostly?) the suckers who pay interest on credit card debts who fund the rewards. I mean 6% interest if you float it for 4 months will pay for 3 people's rewards.
I will point out that, although there are costs associated with cash, they only go away if a business does not accept cash at all, which is an odd thing to do offline. A large business, 90% credit like my grocery store, may save some trips to the bank by taking in less cash, but a small business that is half cash will have about the same costs. I would guess most of the loss comes from stolen and counterfeit money. You ever notice they give franklins a good look under a blacklight some places?
Well, as long as he didn't have an AmEx sticker on the door I suppose that's fair. Seems like kind of a swindle to me though. Places which don't take any credit cards or all of the common credit cards should post it loud and clear, as it's quite uncommon. Especially places where you are asked to pay afterwards, like restaurants. I'm not knocking you for doing a favor to a polite restaurant owner that you may like, but asking for alternate (more costly) payment after the fact is asking you for more money, which is not a polite thing to do.
Oh, and you should be able to get a Visa with 1% cash back these days. I have one, and I got it when I was a broke student. No idea what the interest rate is as I have never paid a dime. A Costco AmEx will get you 3% on restaurant bills. When you would otherwise split the bill at a restaurant with friends, take the cash and pay card. The wait(e)r(ess) will appreciate it, and you'll save some cash.
DRM? Nah the MythTV guys would never accept that.
Banquet frozen meals. 500 cals at least. One single, solitary, George-Washington-spamming dollar. .02/cal. They're not too bad for you either, although no one would call them health food. The only really bad thing is they contain a lot of sodium.
I'm bored of Oblivion, Halo 3 beta is over, and $15/month is a hell of alot cheaper than a PS3.
Oh wait you were asking why people pay for gold...
Gold farming sucks. The game can be genuinely fun, but no one wants to go around collecting resources or "massacring monks."
From TFS (summary), they make $80,000 a year. I'm not sure if that's net revenue or what, and I'm sure they're accounting's not up to Sarbanes-Oxley standards, but it's not like there's some sort of exorbitantly compensated CEO, although I'm sure that does go a long way in China.
I suppose it's not a problem across the pond. I wouldn't be opposed to a blanket stereotype that Brits are better drivers than USians. If they did that here, 16-year-olds would kill us all. :) driving.
Not that they're not trying already. Car crashes are the leading cause of death in certain demographics, although a large portion of those are attributed to drunk (drink
Wait for times to be tough and get a zero percent loan, like they had about a year ago. Then they're basically giving you money, if only because the money you pay them will be worth less 3 years from now.
Wait your traffic lights tell you when they're about to turn green. Sounds kind of dangerous. Yeah I realize you can look at the other side's light, but that system seems kind of like the beginning of a race every time.
Just your conscience. If you make a good-faith assumption that the other person is not a farmer, you won't be ruining your own game.
Won't happen though. Gamers won't work that cheap.
I can answer that one. Yes. Checkout their website; they have pages for LOTRO and WoW at least.
Fine if they tax it then I get to deduct my account fees, as a cost of doing business, yielding a healthy 13.50 deduction for me this month.
Yes, I know. I should make more gold.
Yeah it says that only data which stays the same for a long time in DRAM is recoverable and then only for hours, unless you keep it very cold, in which case it might last a few weeks.
Let's hope the torrent people won't be sending it liquid nitrogen wrapped.
If IE wasn't bundled, how would you download Firefox? NCSA FTP?