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CA Bill Limits Skin Implantation of RFID Chips
twitter writes with a link to a ZDNet blog entry about a piece of legislation submitted to the California state senate. Drafted by Democratic Senator Joe Simitian, its purpose is to ensure that employers cannot require the implantation of RFID chips as part of employment. It is meeting with scorn from the American Electronics Association. "'Our bottom line is we're opposed to anything that demonizes RFIDs,' she said. 'The technology has been in existence for more than 50 years. It's in more than 1.2 billion ID credentials worldwide. ... We've not seen a single showing of ID theft or harm,' said Roxanne Gould, vice president for California government relations for the American Electronics Association, a high-tech industry group."
How can I be guilty of not reading the fine article, when there is no fine article to be read?
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'The technology has been in existence for more than 50 years. It's in more than 1.2 billion ID credentials worldwide. ... We've not seen a single showing of ID theft or harm,'
Ok, am I just stupid, or did that statement about no ID theft cause anyone else to spew their beverage on the monitor.
The correct way to mark employees is still an ear tag.
Doesn't mean you can't have your RFID -- it just means they can't REQUIRE you to have it.
and that's a good thing.
http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php? type=wnews&id=76472&eddate=
this might help.
It's your good right to select another country to do business in.
is the best way to mark an employee, but 666 is already taken.
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
It's in more than 1.2 billion ID credentials worldwide.
In my humble opinion, just because something did not happen yet does not mean that it will not happen in the future
And the summary missing a link to the ZDNet blog.
FTA:
"Our bottom line is we're opposed to anything that demonizes RFIDs,"
From the Summary
ZDNet blog entry about a piece of legislation submitted to the California state senate. Drafted by Democratic Senator Joe Simitian, its purpose is to ensure that employers cannot require the implantation of RFID chips as part of employment.
The product isn't being demonized; it is just stating that it shouldn't be a requirement. So, if every company stated that you need to have your genitalia shaved as a condition of employment would you do it. Probably not. Now imagine if every company required you genitalia shaved; now you would have to do it.
Employers are requiring a medical procedure as a condition of employment. How about tattooing the employee ID, or neutering the staff to make them more docile, although that would be redundant for any employee that accepted the chip in the first place.
This is not primarily about the RFID security. It is about mutilating the staff to save the employer the cost of installing and using a less Nazi-slave-like security system. Seems to me that any doctors that perform the procedure should have their license removed. The tags are hardly justifiable as cosmetic surgery providing any self-image benefit, since the tags aren't supposed to be visible.
So I tells the library "I lost that book." Next things I knows, the librarian looks into the screen, starts typing, then tells me, "It's in the bedroom, under your nightstand." So I goes home and there it is! That lady, wotta dish and smart to boot! Thanks RFID!
Hey, you think your house is cool?
No more implanting career chips??
But, "you gotta do what you gotta do."
Ok, all you self-professed libertarians: where do you stand on this?
Do you believe employers should be allowed to require employees to have RFID implants?
I refuse to accept the mark of the beast.
Dear Roxanne Goebbels,
Please, be advised that although the Arabic number system had been in use for centuries without significant bugs or security compromises, the abuse of the Arabic number system in the form of tattooing Arabic numbers onto the wrists of European Jews became problematic.
Providence, RI. In a remarkably Frenetic twist, the American Mathematical Society (AMS) is suing the Catholic Church. Peter Owen Paul Sicle, lawyer for the AMS, explains: "The AMS is sick and tired of the bad image that the number 666 has gotten over the years. We've identified the Catholic church as primarily responsible, and want to send a message." When asked about the fact that 666 is not prime: "Our bottom line is we're opposed to anything that demonizes numbers, and that goes for multiples of 37 too. Numbers have been in existence for more than two thousand years. They're in more than 1.2 billion textbooks worldwide. We've not seen a single showing of harm related to the prime factors 2 and 3 either."
SB 362. "A person shall not require, coerce, or compel any other individual to undergo the subcutaneous implanting of an identification device."
An RFID chip from an employer? Call me paranoid, but there seems to be too much potential for abuse. All it'd take is a few systematically placed RFID readers spread across a location, and your employer becomes a sort of Big Brother. Its unlikely that everyone would be constantly monitored, but if it can be done, it will be. Say, for example, that you go to a rival corporations building, you know, to investigate your options, and the next day find that you've been downsized. What baffles me is that a bill that forbids mandatory implants would meet criticism. If anyone wanted me to get one of those, I'd tell them where to implant that chip.
"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own."
First they came for my ID, and I didn't have to say anything, they just banged my head against technology and took it.
This sound like a good idea for convicted sex offenders,child molesters. But under the skin wouldn't do,maybe somewhere deep up there ass somewhere where they couldn't dig it out easily. Or how about for our troops on the combat field,they would hopefully be found before them scum kill or behead them. Just my 2 cents
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Why is it always California that's always ahead of the rest of the country? The best time to take care of a problem is before it starts. Everyone here in the IT business has probably heard of it. It's called preventative maintenace . California has started applying it to politics, and I applaud them for it.
I've never been to California, and I know that it's not perfect, but a good portion of their newer laws make a ton of sense, and should probably be implemented nationwide.
What's sad is that when a government body passes a law that is good for it's people, it's news.
Aero
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I don't know the specifics of why the bill was passed, but I would imagine privacy is the bigger concern than exactly what technology is used. I wouldn't want somebody to be able to more easily track everything I do, regardless of how they are doing it.
When you change jobs, how do you remove the RFId chip from your bod? Foreign objects tend to wander around once under the skin. Is your former employer obligated to find and remove it? Do you really want your recently rejected employer digging around in your bod (again)?
Remain calm! All is well!
Ha ha ah! oh twitter... how the mighty have fallen!
Roxanne Gould, Spokesweasel for the American Electronics Association says 'Our bottom line is we're opposed to anything that demonizes RFIDs'
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Sounds crazy? In Australia kids doing advertising letter box drops (for below minimum wage*) have been fitted with GPS tracking devices, and the privatized Telstra teleco tracks employees time spent in the toilet or making coffee. RFID is the sort of thing these employers would love. Nice to see Government (well, at least one person in Government) being pro-active, as opposed to retro-active or more usually not doing anything at all.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2007/s1952
http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/junk-mails-
* = below minimum, since they have to bag and rubber-band the advertising materials on their own spare time. News limited advertises "We even provide the bags and rubber bands for you!" like they're doing you a favor. They at least now advertise "No GPS tracking device required" because no one wanted to do it. Imagine that.
"Our bottom line [would be impacted by] anything that demonizes RFIDs," she said.
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It's not the RFID tags the senator is going after... its employers being able to fire anyone who doesn't want a CHIP EMBEDDED IN THEIR SKIN by the company they work for. I think RFID technology is great, and I completely support this bill.
This is another case of an industry group going crazy to protect what they perceive to be their interests, when in fact its no challenge to the technology at all, its a challenge to having an employer being able to modify your body.
Impossible! Once chipped, you're their property for life.
Get out your MAD, The Orb Alliance has landed.
Small though it is, the human brain can be quite effective when used properly.
Another note to Ms. Gould: I don't think it's the possibility of the RFID tag not working or being stolen that worries the CA lawmaker. I am pretty sure it's the implantation that's the worry.
For one thing, no employer should ever have the right to demand the violation of an employee's body.
Another issue is that this is too damn close to a slave collar. "Property of ACME Inc."
And finally, the RFID tag doesn't stop working once the work day is over, but works 24/7/365.
The problem I see with a ban is that the ban is likely going to be too narrow if it mentions RFID. Unless it's a ban against any permanent or semi-permanent marking of employees, it's going to be worse than nothing, as the wrong judge might rule that since RFIDs were banned, but tattoos were not mentioned, it means that tattoos are implicitly allowed.
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As progressive and ahead of the curve as CA is in the environment, there are still some areas where the state totally caved to money interests.
And when it comes to the rights of individuals, CA can really suck. The voters gave the state the right to collect DNA information and enter it in a database upon your arrest, NOT CONVICTION. So your DNA goes on file even if you're wrongly accused. See any potential for abuse here?
Plus, don't forget the state is home to the MPAA, and the House co-sponsor of the Patriot act.
We just pay our employees that allow us to chip them 10 cents an hour more. And for some odd reason, whenever we lay people off, the ones not tagged are the first ones to get sacked.
Pure coincidence, of course.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Does this really need to be legislated? Eh, no I don't think so.
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FFS. The market is made up of human beings making at least semi rational decisions.
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is that cal.gov are having to legislate on this because some HR person has seriously considered it...
RFID are "passive" devices, in that they're powered by the reader's electromagnetic field. Think like a transformer (the kind with coils, not the robots;), sorta, and the reader has one half while the RFID chip has the other half.
Well, there are active ones too, but you wouldn't want to operate that guy every year to change the batteries.
This limits range drastically, since both EM fields power is inversely proportional to the square of the distance. Basically, if you wanted to scan from a mile away to see where your sex offender is, be prepared to fry everything that moves in that area. You'd have to not only have a beam powerful enough to power a normal RFID from a mile, but still be powerful enough that the RFID can broadcast enough power to be sensed from a mile.
The army is an even pickier customer, since while you may want, for example, to know how many gas masks or shells are still in a crate, you don't want the enemy to know that from a mile away anyway. You don't want the enemy's radar stations to say, "guys, I'm sensing a big ammo dump at these coordinates, aim all artillery that way and fire at will."
That said, "sex offenders" is:
1. a broad enough category. It can mean just as well someone who was drunk off their ass and peed in public, or whatever. It doesn't have to mean convicted rapist.
2. something which should be the courts' domain, but instead ends up a public hysteria issue, as you illustrate in proposing to perform mandatory surgery on them.
I'm sorry, but there's a fine difference between "rule of the law" and "mob rule", even for sex offenders. It's up to the courts to determine if they're still guilty/dangerous enough to be kept behind bars, or served their sentence and can probably rent a flat and get a job like everyone else. It's not up to neighbourhood mobs to require everyone scanned, or up to random gas station owners to decide "youse can't tank here, 'cuz we don't deal with your type", which is what would happen with a RFID implant.
Plus, the courts and police have enough rules and safeguards (and still occasionally send an innocent to jail) which evolved out of thousands of years of discovering how to apply the law _fairly_. We've already had city-state mayors passing arbitrary decrees and applying their own uneven justice. We've already had mob rule plenty of times and its dispensing arbitrary justice by whims, populism and mass hysterias. (E.g., the democracy of ancient Greece also produced such excesses as Athens executing its fleet admirals because they failed to save some sailors in a _storm_, or as Socrates being sentenced to death for just being the unpopular guys.) And it took us a lot of time and some bloody revolutions to get rid of that crap. In the meantime we've discovered that it's better to apply the law fairly and uniformly, and we wrote the rules and passed the laws to see to it that it happens that way.
Mob rule just doesn't have any of those safeguards, and it already had thousands of years to show how much harm it can do.
So even for convicted offenders (sex or otherwise), I'd rather have the courts deal with them, than have them scanned by neighbourhood posses and judged summarily by every newspaper stand owner.
In other words, there's a reason we don't just tattoo it on their forehead. If we wanted those people victimized for the rest of their life, we wouldn't have had to wait for RFID, it would be cheaper to do just that. But the whole idea is that it's not supposed to work that way. Unless you're a judge and it happens in court, it's just not your job to decide extra punishment, including where that guy can go or can't go.
A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
The problem with implanted RFIDs is that it turns people into keys, making the 'kidnap the bankmanager the night before the heist' scenario all the more likely and attractive. Before, they would have to steal my keys, now they have to steal me.
Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
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For a country with so many Christians, I can't believe people aren't up in arms at the talk of putting RFIDs in humans.
Or are church leaders completely ignorant of the Book of Revelations and how the Mark of the Beast ("And no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark..") may actually be manifest by this global police state and RFID+identification+credit-card+etc under-the-skin business?
Even without the whole 2000 year warning on this, are US citizens (and world citizens) really THAT ignorant/scared/apathetic on what certain power-whores are trying to do to our "hard-won" freedoms?
At least there's SOME awareness (check out http://infowars.com/ at least not *all* Americans are sleeping).
Unsourced sibling aside, this is a solution looking for a problem, and there are lot of actual, verifiable problems in this state.
Somebody on this site: please post your implantable RFID horror story.
Why should RFID chips be implanted? can't we just have them in the form of electronic cards?
I believed the accepted term for someone who was a politician representing the Democrats was to describe him or her as a Democrat.
The problem with using 'Democratic politician' instead is that it implies politicians from other parties are not democratic. Or maybe that was the intention.
... if laws such as this are passed.
Market forces and government requirements will take care of ensuring RFID chips become implanted.
The financial benefits and incentives of voluntarily getting chipped will far outweigh not being chipped.
I'm reminded of a speech given by Michael Chertoff about the role the private sector can play in traveller screening:
Once you have a sufficient number of people embracing the technology and reaping certain benefits, it's a small step from there that business can say, "Well, these people that have these chips have better chances of promotion" or whatever.
Besides, the government shall surely love the idea of having a wonderful surveillance mechanism such as this, and they (along with corporations) will continue to propagate the myth that privacy = data security, which it doesn't, in order to still use RFIDs at some point anyway.
This is demonstrated in the SM Daily Journal article when it says:
In other words, we'll let them use it anyway, as long as they protect the data, not your privacy (and they're doing such a good job of protecting our data already, of course). From there, it's just a short step to say, "Well, you've got RFIDs in your ID cards, why not get a chip in your arm to speed up time at airport check-in, or purchasing items at the counter, or 0% interest for the next year on purchases ..."
You're not required to have a mobile phone, but market forces and social pressures are pretty damn persuasive.
You're not required to get an implant, but hey, it surely helps.
'If Christ had tweeted the sermon on the mount, it might have lasted until nightfall.' - John Perry Barlow
Making it illegal to force your employees to be chipped is now "daemonization"?
Please, can we round up and shoot all the PR and marketing freaks who wage war on our minds using language as their weapon?
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
"The technology has been in existence for more than 50 years. It's in more than 1.2 billion ID credentials worldwide. ... We've not seen a single showing of ID theft or harm"
Ovens have existed for much longer. But Catholics and Jews found out that if used improperly it can be a species ending event. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining. If everyone in the world was implanted with a chip, my first task would be to exploit your weakness. And if I ran say.. a government, my second task would be to weed out the undesirables by simply starving them to death. Money would be replaced with credits on your tagged ID. You don't like somebody- just turn it off. The first order of business, though, would be to promote you to Secretary of State.
If an employer can gain employees that 5% cheaper by not demanding implantation, they'll do it. If their cost base is 5% lower they'll be more competitive in the marketplace. Their paranoid competitors will find themselves losing both their market share and their best employees to their more enlightened and now cheaper competitors.
I'll say it again. If this kind of crap was going to happen, we'd all have barcodes by now.
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There is a massive split now between people who claim to hate government and yet love private corporate power, and on the other people who believe in democratic government and despise private ultragovernmental power. One side is about control, the other freedom, but one side doesn't have its semantic act together and thinks it IS the side of freedom. But it is only freedom for the lords, not for the serfs. We as the people, we the government, we who believe we are the government, don't want private powers not answerable to us controlling us to the point where we are require to be tagged like cattle to earn a living or find a place to live. And no mistake, that is what we are talking about here. Like drug testing, yes one could refuse. Sure. And starve, and not get health insurance -- the list is endless once you get branded like a slab of meat in a supermarket - apt analogy, that. You become a tagged slab of meat for the market. There is no freedom if there are no alternatives. And corporate power is all about removing your alternatives.
Under this current proposed law, the first time an employer ASKS you to have an RFID implant, they've broken the law and are in deep poodoo.
The employer is free to not hire someone who doesn't take the RFID implant, but then they're free to report said employer for even requesting it, and California is free to fine/imprison/punish the employer.
The question then boils down to enforcement. How likely then is the company to get punished for breaking the law, and to what magnitude? That is where we ought to be asking the biggest questions.
--- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
there was an article on here of the opinion that we no longer complete projects before they ship. That new dvd player you just bought requires a firmware upgrade right out of the box type stuff. With that sort of mentality about today's electronics are we really anywhere near ready to start putting them into our bodies in the first place? Just look what mere hobbyist hackers are doing to any new DRM that comes along. From an engineering/security standpoint, unless you can find a real robust method of firmware upgrade or failing that make it real cheap to perform the upgrade medical operation, possibly quite regularly, would this even be a practical solution? I'm not sure I have that kind of confidence in our current engineering abilities. Flying cars seemed pretty inevitable at one time too.
But I recall reading somewhere about a "mark" that people would have to have in order to transact business. IIRC, this was supposed to be a harbinger of very bad things. Anybody else hear of something like that?
"CA Bill bars Skin Implantation of RFID Chips"
With great power comes great electricity bills.
I mean, sure, everyone else gets RFID tags implanted, it's inhuman... but it's also insecure. I know I'd have a great time, right after I've had my RFID reader/ hacking device implanted under _my_ skin.
I can think of several techniques that have the potential to render RFID useless. If that is the case, what's the point?
If christians actually read the bible and applied it to politics, they would have thrown Bush Sr. out for attempting to build his "New World Order" - the one world government prophesized in Revelations. The very fact that Christians haven't attempted to remove either Bush is evidence that they don't apply the prophesies in their bible to anything they perceive suits their cause. Which is ironic, because if you believe in the bible (I don't, but have read it quite a bit) the "anti-christ", the "great deciever" sounds a lot like Dictator Bush, more and more every day.
So cute and innocent, like a fuzzy little kitten. You are basically saying, "I'm talented, therefore this isn't an issue for me. Fuck everyone else." I'm talented too, this probably won't be an issue for me either. But the market is not fair and just by nature. Without legislation like this, people are going to get screwed over by unscrupulous companies. Do you really think some poor person is going to give up his job over this? I know, even though you participate in the system, the unfairness of the system is not your fault, right? Or maybe you think it is utterly fair. Easy to think when you've got yours.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
The problem of multiple chips being inserted/removed can be easily solved. Just invent an interface through which the chips can be conveniently inserted/removed into the body. Some thing not very unlike the ports in the matrix.
So, when can we set up an appointment for you?
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To the people who believe in Jesus Christ and the book of revelation, it is indeed a valid objection.
As the island of our knowledge grows, so does the shore of our ignorance.
To think the nazi's only used tatoos to enforce identification and impose tyranny over their undesirable population. Imagine the possibilities with embedded RFID!
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be-T J
I have links to three articles on the subject in my journal. You can read that and see the same conversation there as you see here. I'm sure the oversite will be corrected, but the above will do in the mean time.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Let me translate that!
I've been leaving $100 bills in my front yard for years and I haven't seen a single theft. Best as I can tell, the wind must be blowing them away while I'm at work.
I wonder where the kids are getting the money for gold plated sneakers?
This is not an honest response. Besides not answering questions about the specific bill, they make the misleading statements you noticed and set the impossible criteria of limiting abuse without calling it abuse. The RFID industry does not want an informed public, a fair debate or anything else that might limit deployment of their toys. Shame on them.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Ok, it is your good right to refuse, it is our good right to choose an employee, accepts it.
Your employees have rights and so do you but you don't really have a right to impose unfairly on your employees. When you have an economic incentive to do so, it's in society's best interest to make laws that destroy that incentive. Go ahead, break the law and pay the fine if it's worth it to you. Everyone else will be free of needing surgery to keep their job.
In a real free market, the RFID people will have to compete and make privacy respecting products people want to own. They should offer such alternatives instead of trying to bullshit their way through.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Now if only it could be assigned the IP address 6.100.60.6. Because of the syllable "teen" ("sixteen hundred sixty-six")? That has a nice rhythm to me. Or did they not have an equivalent for that construction in Latin or Aramaic?
Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
> If christians actually read the bible and applied it to politics, they would have thrown Bush Sr. out for attempting to build his "New World Order" - the one world government prophesized in Revelations
I thought he sent someone who hated the UN as our representative to the UN? Also doesn't like the World Court, but unfortunately that appears to be because he wouldn't care to be prosecuted under it. Moreover, he doesn't appear to have the time to unite the world under military rule even if he wanted to. If Iraq is that costly and controversial, there would be open rebellion before any US President could start conquering the world without provocation or justification. At least Iraq had the flimsy justification of "Saddam is a bad guy."
Finally, while a world government is a precondition of some of those events, that doesn't mean that it's an evil thing in and of itself. Certainly not the way the 666/616* is supposed to be. Then again, I suppose you could point out that having some mark in your hand or forehead isn't necessarily evil, so long as it's not that mark (which is described in no uncertain terms as evil in and of itself). Of course, that doesn't mean that non-666/616 marks are a good idea.
Anyhow, if you look at the polls, you'd probably see that many people who voted Republican are pretty much ready to throw Bush out right now. At least 40% of his base disapprove of the job he's doing. Blame Congress for not removing him from office. I have a feeling that were the public given a chance to vote to remove him from office, he'd be long gone by now.
* Variant texts list 616 as the Number of the Beast instead of 666. Some scholars point out that this may indicate that the name referenced by that number is Nero[n] Caesar because the variant spellings of that name can account for both values in Hebrew numerology and because he was a great persecutor of Christians.
Wisconsin passed a similar law over a year ago. [Article]
Wow the group of companies with the most to gain from RFID implimentation are upset by limitations that could affect their bottom line...who would have thought that would happen?
California's limits seem reasonable to me, most people are opposed to being made more of a number than they already are and loosing privacy even if its just percieved privacy is still important to many.
Your analysis is correct and what the American Electronics Association says should be rejected, but they did not intend to be honest. They claimed the technology is already in widespread use without problems, which is a lie. They then essentially called Simitian an extremist while refusing to discuss the issues. It's typical PR BS and we can expect more of the same from this same group and others.
The truth is that the technology itself is dangerous and unnecessary. Society does not need unique identifiers for mass produced articles like shirts and shoes. It is dangerous enough to create a unique identifier for each type of article for inventory. Unique identifiers for everything, which can be read at a distance, make subdermal implants superfluous. Everone can be tracked and recognized where ever they go by the objects they own. The dangers of the technology itself should be well known before it's forced onto people.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Which employers are using this technology today? How about a list? Who does this bill affect right now?
As far as I know, nobody. This is a PR sham, grandstanding for grandstanding's sake.
According to newspaper archives dating back to 1906, automobile manufacturers protested a proposed bill requiring the installation of safety glass and seat belts. "After all, the technology for these cars has been around for over 50 years, and we've not seen a single traffic accident," said a representative of the Duryea brothers. "We object to this demonization of automotive technology."
Strike while the irony is hot! -- The Freethinker
Fucking lawyers, lobbyists and the fruits and nuts. That's it.
We have 45% of the world's lawyers handling 80% of the world's litigation.
The lobbyists play Sacramento because we lead on National issues that eventually lead to Worldwide issues. You want to be a politican? Work for the 'little guy' and make a global impact? Sacramento, CA is a great place to start.
The fruits are free here, and the nuts are justified.
It's a crazy place and I love this state, just not the State.
My guess is that this is already not legal with respect to the ADA. Quoting from http://www.abanet.org/buslaw/blt/2006-01-02/caputo .html about pre-employment testing and the ADA:
"Congress enacted three specific provisions limiting the ability of employers from using "medical examinations and inquiries" as a condition of employment. First, an employer cannot use medical examinations as pre-employment tests or before an offer of employment is made. Second, an employer cannot use medical tests that lack job-relatedness. Third, an employer cannot use medical tests that screen out or have the tendency to screen out people with disabilities. Under the ADA, the total prohibition against medical examinations is lifted once a conditional offer of employment is made. At that point, a medical test can be given provided that it is given to all similarly situated persons, the results are kept confidential, and the test is administered in accordance with the ADA."
So unless the job requires that you wear a slave collar (not too many jobs nowadays, unless you count Blackberries), I don't see how having an implanted RFID chip woudl be essential your job when there are alternatives, like badges worn around your neck.
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
would allow that to happen.
Pitching RFID at all, in the workplace, should be illegal.
That is indeed a potential loophole.
--- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
Not only does it take a long time to learn a new skill set, it costs a lot of money too in most cases. Without a job, you don't have that money or (as is the case here in the Netherlands) are not even allowed to follow schooling when drawing unemployment because it renders you 'unavailable for employment'.
IF you succeed in learning a new skill set most employers will not be interested because you have no experience, are too old and they can hire someone with the same skill set on a lower wage. In the mean time you don't have current experience in your old skill set, so if an employer wants someone your age (with your old skill set) he'll hire someone who has been working in that field directly before.
For employers the market IS mostly free, they have lots of wage-slaves on every level to choose from. And a huge unemployment number is fantastic for them, it keeps wage demands low ('You want more? Let's see if we can change you for someone cheaper!') functions as a threat ('For you ten others!'), gives an excuse for keeping wages low ('Look how many unemployed we have to pay from our taxes, we can't pay our slaves ^W workers more' and provides a pool for more cheap labor.
This post has not much to do with implanting chips (I was predicting that that will happen since decades and still believe it), but all with the viewpoint of employers. You are for most employers not much more than a piece of equipment, just not so costly.
What person will donate an airborne act of love?
Am I the only one who read that as Roxanne Goa'uld?
You've got one side which loves how technology grants freedom and refuses to have anything implanted that would interfere with that... And then you've got the other side who HAS read the Book of Revelation and are against anything that requires marking the wrist and/or forehead.
> It is meeting with scorn from the American Electronics Association.
It's also meeting with scorn from the British Electronics Association for Social Tranquility and the American National Taskforce Institute for Caring Handouts of Radio ID Subcutaneous Tags.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
unfortunately sarcasm come across well on the internet. without the person's body language, people can't identify sarcasm and often incorrectly assume the poster is an idiot.
FYI many major companies require drug tests (eg Intel)
... verify me"
--CHOP--
...our new RFID implanting and tracking overlords.
Oh -- *sniff* *sniff* -- can you smell that? That's sarcasm.
Anybody else get nervous when words like implanted chip, and demonize get placed in the same sentence? Call it my early childhood christian education coming out, but this is one of the few topics in modern security and computing that makes me feel all icky, like I'm witnessing a Revelations like epiphany in action.
Confidentiality, Integrity, Availability: without Availability the other two are assured, as is Bankruptcy.
Hmm, sounds like Adam and Eve, but in reverse.
-- thinkyhead software and media
I can say you're right on the mark with that last part. They actually look at the financial status of that area more than the racial composition now.
Also, the law says you as an agent cannot refuse to do business with someone in (name your bad area). When someone calls from name-your-poor-area, you can't refuse outright to deal with them. But you as an agent can decline to go door to door in that area, what with these people being 99.99% unlikely to call or visit you if your office is in a really good area.
--- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
As a security consultant, I have many years of experience and study in the field of computer/general security. A password is something you know. A carkey is something you have. The obvious best choice for security is "Who you are". What you know can be guessed or coerced from you. What you have can be forged, stolen, borrowed, or bought from you. Part of the appeal of the implantable chip is the idea that it's inherent security is closer to "Who you are" than other contemporary methods.
It is easy enough to write a short list of things that can go wrong with the use of RFID for personal identification. Hacking, Unreliability, Abuse, Impersonalization... No contemporary identification methods are completely reliable. Combinations of methods can improve reliability. Biometrics + Photo + DNA might be the best I can suggest off hand.The fact is we are still looking for the best way to identify "Who you are". I don't believe that any of the existing systems today really do the job. RFID tags can make some things easier like keeping tack of shipping containers, but not with complete certainty, just as a cost efficient method. Restricting access on the basis of identity is a process subject to change as new methods are created and hackers learn to circumvent them. We have to pay attention no matter what method we use. I would really hate to have an imbedded RFID tag and have my access to the toilet accidentally restricted due to a database problem somewhere. When you take humans out of the equation and rely on technology, a lot of problems can occur, The quality of life for living beings is more important than the corporate bottom line, and I don't want to be shot with an RFID silver bullet.
Life in 2017 from http://docwatsonsblog.blogspot.com/ Things have really changed in the last 10 years; Today you walk into a clothing store and a sales person walks up and asks if they can help you. You say "Yes, I am looking for a new suit" and they direct you to the aisle where the model suits are. You select the item, select a swatch of cloth that matches your preference and are handed a cup of coffee while the suit you want is made to your specifications. You also select a few items like cuff-links, shoes, a tie, and kerchief that all match the suit. 20 minutes later, a woman comes out from the rear of the store and hands you all the items and you thank the couturier and you leave. Real-time tailoring. At no time do you see or engage a cashier or see the exchange of money. Your cash reserves and credit (if you wanted to apply for a line of credit for that company's store, there would have been a pro-forma online application via fingerprint or retinal scan) were all reviewed when you entered. Once you began the process for purchasing, you were added to their database and are sent an initial email asking if you'd like to be included in their email updates on their upcoming sales. If you had come in and browsed, you would have received the same invitation email and an electronic yes or no 'coupon' for a discount on your first purchase. Food shopping has become incredibly simple as well. You go and select the items you want/need and walk out with them. If you go to another store to buy an item, chances are that the store you do a majority of your shopping will try to stock it for you in order to get the rest of your business. The demand for services has finally become a matter of catering to the customer! Thieves don't stand a chance - theft has crashed to almost zero and only the truly idiotic or desperate even try - because RFID tagging and IPv6 addressing has removed the ability of the thief to remove the item from the store and not pay for it or be tracked to their location. Most things can't 'fall off a truck' anymore because they are too easy to find. Assembly for large parts and items has become a breeze; IPv6 and RFID have allowed for all items for a specific customer to be listed as they are put together for assembly, QC/QA, and sales tracking. Insurance companies and manufacturers have the ability to identify parts failure all the way back to the manufacturer, the assembly line, and even the employee who did the work. IPv6 allowed for 2^54 IP address per person, so everything that a person owns can be cataloged, followed, and identified. RFID allows for seamless commerce. My paycheck is automatically deposited and credited to my account and purchases automatically adjusted via the RFID chip in my REALID Card. If you had been in the military after 2010, you were used to 'the wave' - swinging your hand over a reader to verify your identity. You stopped writing checks because there wasn't a need to on base. The chip had all your medical info on it and the medics could just scan your hand or your temple and get the info they needed. Of course, if they were scanning your head, you'd lost your hand or they were ID'ing your corpse and you were in deep crap either way. Heck, the NCO club got to be a PITA sometimes because the 3 beer rule automatically flagged you but there were ways around that - the civvies you dated were still using real cash or their own IDs so they bought without restrictions. On the home front, we have had to suffer through the ubiquitous 'Chippie' on the Homeland Security ads and Saturday AM cartoons; "Chippie says "Security starts at Home, so get your ID Chip today!". [I'd say what an annoying bastard the little thing is but I don't want to get flagged when I use the Metro to work everyday; I see the poor sods who are 'randomly' pulled aside *every* morning on their way in and out of the station.] The NAHB Construction codes came into compliance with DHS Directives a few years ago and now that construction can integrate with your Chip,
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There is no Senator Debra Bowen (D-Redondo Beach).
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There is no SB2208.
As a side note, a SB22 exists as:...why not digital RAM in an implanted device that activates YOU later? Face it, sooner or later we'll all want to be cyborgs (if not drones.) How else will we keep up with the Joneses?
Oh, I'm sorry sir, I thought you were referring to me, Mr. Wensleydale.
Those reading this, who for reasons born of the Enlightenment are compelled to ignore a certain document, do so at their own peril. Explain the regathering of a people to their ancient land and rebirth of a dead language (Israel & Hebrew). Any explanation will be offered except the one which would mean that people are accountable to that which is greater than themselves. Remember Aldous Huxley's comment about evolution: We had to remove G-d because he intereferes with our sexual pleasures. That has never changed. It is a trustworthy statement that a secular worldview is irrefutable evidence of proper education (WINK! WINK!).
'IANAL' is no excuse, for there is a higher Court before which all must stand.
The "MARK OF THE BEAST" is any device which results in the modification of human flesh whether implanted therein or indelibly marked thereon, to permit basic commerce that, without the same, would prohibit basic commerce. Since such a device would reasonably be construed as resulting in eternal peril for the recipient, would it not be wise to 'build fences' (this is a Jewish theological concept, let the reader understand) around this? This is one of the reasons why the Amish are 'off the grid'. During the era of rural electrification, their community decided that something evil would arise from the use of electric power and thus forbade it for themselves. One may counter that it could be a tattoo. Although it is non-eletronic in its form, Torah forbids tattoos (Kedoshim, Lev. 19:27) for observant Jews and those Christians who throught their specific theological understanding respect this commandment.
Technology offers man the power to amplify his already resident corruption.
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