In the Netherlands some form of recycling electronics is obligatory since 1998. So even Apple must have been doing it since then. I don't know what apple is doing themselves now but there are many companies which specialize in the dismantling of electronics.
"These foundations are putting their money to far better use than the government would. They are doing the things that governments should be doing, but aren't."
Actually no. These "charities" fund a lot of health and social initiatives but the state invests in infrastructure, jobcreation, rule of law etc. Those make all the other stuff possible. Besides that I prefer democracy to a situation where one person decides where a big part of societies money is spent on. Private charities often influence the spending of state money as described in this article : http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/11/27/are-charities-more-effective-than-government/vital-needs-dont-always-attract-donations
"Yes it is! more laws will stop them! Just like how speed laws stopped speeding, Drug laws stopped drugs, and there is zero prostitution cince they passed those laws against paying money for sex."
So what you are saying is that we are "defacto" living in anarchy since laws make no difference what so ever. Clearly nonsense: we can easily compare to historical periods or geographical regions where the rule of law was/is absent or arbitrarily applied.
Your whole message is a statement without any kind of backing...
"In that time the world population increased from about 680 million to 890 million and that's being very generous towards the amount of people that can be fed, clothed and housed without relying upon fossil fuels. "
A judge in the Netherlands ruled over a similar case against the Dutch state. The ruling was that the state was not doing enough to reduce greenhouse gases. Dutch site so link is via Google translate:
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2015/06/24/rechter-staat-moet-broeikasgassen-sterk-terugdringen&usg=ALkJrhj2_gJc4cjcTdMsH5pGZjqwqIk-Qg
From the article : "As a two-dimensional crystal of carbon atoms, graphene is a basic building block of many carbon derivatives such as zero dimensional fullerene, one dimensional carbon nanotubes, and three dimensional graphite. "
There are other values than direct profit. Environment for one, but also the benefits of faster transit and less road congestion. All harder and more abstract to monetize than direct profit but valuable none the less.
Sure, engineering, that could be the cause. However since there are plenty of 5" phones which are not glued shut and Apple has a history of viciously protecting access to their hardware that would not be my guess...
The "they will leave us". That is exactly the argument used in all liberal economies. And exactly what makes it possible for multinationals to hold western economies hostage.
Indian policy but also other protectionist policy within western countries proves that that kind of fear mongering is unsubstantiated, however effective it may be.
That distinction between church and religion is important. The church as an institution was a very wide economic and regulatory entity. Parts either stimulated or prosecuted science or certain findings. Religion however is a censor. Scientific findings are very likely to be interpreted within the boundaries of the religious dogma. So a church can facilitate science but religion may influence the findings.
However he who is without dogmas cast the first stone.
The idea of letting a arbitration committee in a foreign country (in this case the US) supersede the judicial system of a democratic nation which has evolved over more than a century is to absurd to contemplate. Corporate lobby is making it (ISDS) happen though. Europe is next.
Actually the Dutch taxi market is pretty open nowadays, with several thousand not affiliated taxis in Amsterdam only. But the Netherlands is a pretty regulated country. For driving a taxi for example you need a license (easily obtainable) and there are fixed tariff regulations. Obviously Uber drivers have no such license and don't comply with the tariff regulation. I don't know any democratic nation where an organization which actively organizes and supports activities which don't comply with the law is not seen as a criminal organization. Doesn't mean that Uber won't be seen as a kind of emancipationary club somewhere down the line. But now...
You may be unaware of this but lots of water used for fracking actually comes back up as part of the process. This is then transported and pumped into the ground elsewhere. The wells used for this are not as deep as the fracking sites. Hence the many quakes in Oklahoma.
Actually in the Netherlands a lot of hospitals are affiliated to universities. That assures they are interested and willing to invest in unique cases for research purposes. Capitalistic systems are only interested in return on investment.
Agreed many of the earlier watercooling setups were done with spare parts. I used to have a car radiator as part of my water circuit, about four years ago I think. And I sure wasnt the first:)
I would be surprised if their militairy didnt have some division to sabotage all enemy communications. I know the western european countries together have several thousand troups trained especially for that purpose.
True we shouldnt panic, and we should always carefully look at the evidence. But the issue has been on and off the political agenda for the last 20 years and we are still all producing more co2 each year. So we can assume that since 78 nobody believes or acts upon warnings with any seriousness anymore, "because in 78 it turned out to be nonsense....". "We should do what we can to maintain a clean and stable atmosphere." I agree, but must also note that we are not doing that at the moment.
True but there is a difference between not being a treehugger and being complete naive. The article calls for close monitoring the next couple of years before drawing ANY conclusions. Thats probably what we should do.
True and both the old inspector Ritter and the weapons inspector at the time Hans Blix AND the International Atomic Energy Agency were convinced that militaire action at the time was not needed.
That is absolutely a matter of perspective. Thinking in terms of good and bad (evil) is one of the reasons the US is not loved in a lot of countries. It just isnt that simple. Being right or wrong is not an absolute value, but an interpretation based on the available information and an emotional state. Your "falacious path of moral relativism" is preferable to closing your eyes to other reasonable opinions and perspectives.
Ok NOBODY deserves something like this! Certainly not civilians. This is a horrible happening!
But the bloodthirsty reactions of some people are absolutely absurt. The "an eye for an eye" idea is uncivilised and proven to be ineffective (since for example that is the israeli policy). Peace will not be established by humiliating and hurting whole populations. Besides bringing the brains behind this attack to justice the fundamentals of foreign policy of the US will have to change. I is and has always backfired, maybe not as directly as now but it has backfired.
Iraq (Sadam) was funded to fight Iran (Islam)
Israel is funded to fight palestinians
Bin Laden was funded to fight the russians in Afganistan. The list of foreign policy decisions the US have made which have turned against them and mostly others is endless (I am not even mentioning asia and south america)
Let this not so much lead to PAY BACK but more to curing the roots of trouble in the world. Most people may find this to be way to mild but I am convinced that most hatred in the world is caused by feelings of injustice, feelings of powerlessness, and the lack of knowledge.
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In the Netherlands some form of recycling electronics is obligatory since 1998. So even Apple must have been doing it since then. I don't know what apple is doing themselves now but there are many companies which specialize in the dismantling of electronics.
Ahh, Yes, a court order. What if it was a court order in the Netherlands or Turkey or Egypt or China? Where is apple supposed to draw the line?
"These foundations are putting their money to far better use than the government would. They are doing the things that governments should be doing, but aren't."
Actually no. These "charities" fund a lot of health and social initiatives but the state invests in infrastructure, jobcreation, rule of law etc. Those make all the other stuff possible.
Besides that I prefer democracy to a situation where one person decides where a big part of societies money is spent on. Private charities often influence the spending of state money as described in this article : http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/11/27/are-charities-more-effective-than-government/vital-needs-dont-always-attract-donations
"Yes it is! more laws will stop them! Just like how speed laws stopped speeding, Drug laws stopped drugs, and there is zero prostitution cince they passed those laws against paying money for sex."
So what you are saying is that we are "defacto" living in anarchy since laws make no difference what so ever. Clearly nonsense: we can easily compare to historical periods or geographical regions where the rule of law was/is absent or arbitrarily applied.
Your whole message is a statement without any kind of backing...
"In that time the world population increased from about 680 million to 890 million and that's being very generous towards the amount of people that can be fed, clothed and housed without relying upon fossil fuels. "
Really?
A judge in the Netherlands ruled over a similar case against the Dutch state. The ruling was that the state was not doing enough to reduce greenhouse gases.
Dutch site so link is via Google translate:
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2015/06/24/rechter-staat-moet-broeikasgassen-sterk-terugdringen&usg=ALkJrhj2_gJc4cjcTdMsH5pGZjqwqIk-Qg
From the article : "As a two-dimensional crystal of carbon atoms, graphene is a basic building block of many carbon derivatives such as zero dimensional fullerene, one dimensional carbon nanotubes, and three dimensional graphite. "
How can a tube be one dimensional?
There are other values than direct profit. Environment for one, but also the benefits of faster transit and less road congestion. All harder and more abstract to monetize than direct profit but valuable none the less.
Sure, engineering, that could be the cause. However since there are plenty of 5" phones which are not glued shut and Apple has a history of viciously protecting access to their hardware that would not be my guess...
The "they will leave us". That is exactly the argument used in all liberal economies. And exactly what makes it possible for multinationals to hold western economies hostage.
Indian policy but also other protectionist policy within western countries proves that that kind of fear mongering is unsubstantiated, however effective it may be.
That distinction between church and religion is important. The church as an institution was a very wide economic and regulatory entity. Parts either stimulated or prosecuted science or certain findings. Religion however is a censor. Scientific findings are very likely to be interpreted within the boundaries of the religious dogma. So a church can facilitate science but religion may influence the findings.
However he who is without dogmas cast the first stone.
The idea of letting a arbitration committee in a foreign country (in this case the US) supersede the judicial system of a democratic nation which has evolved over more than a century is to absurd to contemplate. Corporate lobby is making it (ISDS) happen though. Europe is next.
Actually the Dutch taxi market is pretty open nowadays, with several thousand not affiliated taxis in Amsterdam only. But the Netherlands is a pretty regulated country. For driving a taxi for example you need a license (easily obtainable) and there are fixed tariff regulations. Obviously Uber drivers have no such license and don't comply with the tariff regulation. I don't know any democratic nation where an organization which actively organizes and supports activities which don't comply with the law is not seen as a criminal organization.
Doesn't mean that Uber won't be seen as a kind of emancipationary club somewhere down the line. But now...
If someone urges or pushes you to do something, you are still responsible for your own actions.
You may be unaware of this but lots of water used for fracking actually comes back up as part of the process. This is then transported and pumped into the ground elsewhere. The wells used for this are not as deep as the fracking sites. Hence the many quakes in Oklahoma.
Actually in the Netherlands a lot of hospitals are affiliated to universities. That assures they are interested and willing to invest in unique cases for research purposes. Capitalistic systems are only interested in return on investment.
Agreed many of the earlier watercooling setups were done with spare parts. I used to have a car radiator as part of my water circuit, about four years ago I think. And I sure wasnt the first :)
I would be surprised if their militairy didnt have some division to sabotage all enemy communications. I know the western european countries together have several thousand troups trained especially for that purpose.
True we shouldnt panic, and we should always carefully look at the evidence. But the issue has been on and off the political agenda for the last 20 years and we are still all producing more co2 each year. So we can assume that since 78 nobody believes or acts upon warnings with any seriousness anymore, "because in 78 it turned out to be nonsense....".
"We should do what we can to maintain a clean and stable atmosphere." I agree, but must also note that we are not doing that at the moment.
True but there is a difference between not being a treehugger and being complete naive. The article calls for close monitoring the next couple of years before drawing ANY conclusions. Thats probably what we should do.
True and both the old inspector Ritter
and the weapons inspector at the time Hans Blix AND the International Atomic Energy Agency were convinced that militaire action at the time was not needed.
At least the romans gave us roads and stability for a while.....
Not everyone can become a officer, doesnt mean he is incompetent at what he does.
That is absolutely a matter of perspective. Thinking in terms of good and bad (evil) is one of the reasons the US is not loved in a lot of countries. It just isnt that simple. Being right or wrong is not an absolute value, but an interpretation based on the available information and an emotional state. Your "falacious path of moral relativism" is preferable to closing your eyes to other reasonable opinions and perspectives.
Ok NOBODY deserves something like this! Certainly not civilians. This is a horrible happening!
But the bloodthirsty reactions of some people are absolutely absurt. The "an eye for an eye" idea is uncivilised and proven to be ineffective (since for example that is the israeli policy). Peace will not be established by humiliating and hurting whole populations. Besides bringing the brains behind this attack to justice the fundamentals of foreign policy of the US will have to change. I is and has always backfired, maybe not as directly as now but it has backfired.
Iraq (Sadam) was funded to fight Iran (Islam)
Israel is funded to fight palestinians
Bin Laden was funded to fight the russians in Afganistan. The list of foreign policy decisions the US have made which have turned against them and mostly others is endless (I am not even mentioning asia and south america)
Let this not so much lead to PAY BACK but more to curing the roots of trouble in the world. Most people may find this to be way to mild but I am convinced that most hatred in the world is caused by feelings of injustice, feelings of powerlessness, and the lack of knowledge.
greetings Asha