Since when did democratic ideals have any relevance? Otherwise, Aramco wouldn't be the most valued company in the world, and China would never have been given favored trade partner status to begin with.
While selling books with the word 'truth' printed on the cover. And people find him credible, because he tells them exactly what he thinks they want to hear. It just works.
Games can be a part of the problem, in desensitizing undeveloped minds and training them towards violence. Not with the mere concept of killing, but with previously unavailable realism.
Just like part of the problem can be from a lack of skilled counselors,
A lack of empathy being instilled from teachers,
A lack of empathy being instilled from both parents having to work, or only having one parent.
A lack of empathy as a result of the culture of online communications and its cruelties,
A sense of injustice at the tormentors who are never dealt with or face punishment,
Drawing from experience of simulated violence and using the familiarity of these tools to act out revenge.
Yeah, let's go to war with a nuclear power, based only on the word of TLA 'assessments' and the filthy liars at the DNC and their paid consultants Crowdstrike. If James Clapper says so, it must be true.
Holy fucking hell that is some Jonestown level kool-aid. Is that what we can expect from media matters and shareblue trolls now?
My point again is that you seem to ignore the transgressions of the GOP while focusing entirely on that of Hillary.
Nope. I only started commenting on/. in the last few years. I hate the GOP. I hate everything they stand for with trying to enact crony capitalism and lying us into more war to serve the military industrial complex, and enabling mass surveillance by the not-so-PATRIOTic act. Can I criticize their counterpart the DNC and Hillary "we came we saw he died muhaha" Clinton now? Please? Pretty please?
Actually, no, I don't need your permission and your insinuations don't invalidate my claims. Trying to shift the focus on the person making the argument as a way to dispute facts is the typical diversionary tactic of a partisan shill. Stop acting like one.
1. Chain of custody, understand what it is and why it's important.
2. Continuing to use a server for handling sensitive information even after it is known or suspected of being compromised, and using convenience as an excuse is stupid. To compound it by making it an excuse to also not turn evidence over to law enforcement is beyond stupid.
"Trust us" when there is no credibility is evidence that only a fool would believe.
You have yet to provide any evidence of your accusations. When confronted with that, you point to a cover up.
Well that's amusing coming from someone who wants to claim convenience as the sole motivating factor for exclusively using a private server for state business. When not even the example of the destruction of the records despite a preservation order can possibly stand as evidence in your eyes, then it seems that you're only interested in moving the goal posts.
Because it would seem to me that 88 people would seem more like a conspiracy to me.
Well maybe. I wouldn't put it past the Cheney administration to want to avoid things being entered into the public record. But what was the opinion of Meredith Fuchs, an attorney for the National Security Archive?*
Asked if the losses of the e-mails were deliberate, neglectful or accidental, Fuchs said, "The Bush Administration had sloppy practices and they had no sense that it mattered.They way they handled it to me suggested they didn’t take their record preservation obligations seriously. To me, the way they dealt with us during the litigation signaled that."
Seems like negligence on the their part, but I don't see where highly classified information was stored on insecure devices.
Trump also doesn't have anything to do with the State dept. being sued to release these records in a timely manner, or with the original FOIA lawsuit that revealed the private email server to begin with.
tilting at windmills means attacking imaginary enemies. Unfortunately there is no lack of people who want to mislead or bury the truth to satisfy their own political preferences.
Against your determination to hand wave using convenience as an excuse, while ignoring purposeful actions that point to a cover up. "lost for a time" vrs. lost for all time due to deliberate destruction in the face of congressional hearings. Lucky for us Platte River happened to back up those emails containing SAP level secret information to a cloud provider, huh?
So let's wait for the State Department to be forced to release more emails before the decade is up and possibly reveal something in black and white and not completely redacted that could even come close to your expectations of proof.
Can they, though? It seems to me that a lot of voters hate 'both' parties and the political system in general and thus do not want to identify with them.
I wasn't referring to party affiliation, but rather how people tend to vote in a first-past-the-post system where the 'lesser evil' is the preferable choice.
The majority of voters voted for Hillary Clinton, which invalidates your claim.
There is the distinct possibility of Trump being a two term president, and the post I was originally replying to referred to the next election. The Dems seem incapable of reform, nay they seem to be doubling down, and there was the slashdot post to illustrate the attitude that in my personal opinion makes them insufferable even to middle of the road independents.
Both cases involve email, therefore total equivalence? I mean, whats the difference between archival data being mislabeled, (assuming that was the case), and purposely destroying records after a preservation order has been issued? It's not even a decent whataboutism.
In your accusations I don't see any support for the idea that the use of a private email server was specifically to avoid FOIA requests. That's speculation on your part.
I guess I shouldn't be so cynical when career politicians become incredibly wealthy and start having these kind of shenanigans when it comes to their communications while in office. Even when their spouses are getting paid 500k for speeches. Nah, it was all just for convenience.
In the links you provided I didn't see much to suggest that these GOP members were using personal accounts for the sake of circumventing FOIA requests. We can agree that public disclosure for the sake of oversight is important. As noted by the Times article:
Officials are supposed to use government emails for their official duties so their conversations are available to the public and those conducting oversight. But it is not illegal for White House officials to use private email accounts as long as they forward work-related messages to their work accounts so they can be preserved.
Did you miss the part about 'support operations' that enact 'security controls' and the call capable phones are swapped out on a regular basis?
Would a phone modified to be task specific for using Twitter include a functional microphone, camera, and unfiltered and unrestricted data access?
I'm not a security expert but even I can take apart a phone to disable hardware components. I'm going to assume those in charge of White House security are also capable of this.
I should have been more clear, then. They are leaning, and they aren't loyalists, and that's the point. They can be swayed to one side or the other, and their political opinions are not predetermined by party dogma. They aren't as likely to be swayed by obvious political hatchet pieces or overly impressed by childish hyperbolic name calling.
Regardless of Trump's qualification for the office, or even his capacity as POTUS to use the tiny rudder to steer the massive ship that is the US economy to the degree you'd be satisfied with in as little of time he's been in office, the fact remains he was voted in. But leftists seem completely oblivious to their own behavior that leads the silent majority to rather want put up with Trump's shit, than theirs. The mod +5 insightful for the parent post is 'exhibit A' for such complete lack of self awareness.
FFS, Pelosi and other democrat leadership trying to white knight on behalf of a notoriously murderous street gang of illegal aliens. This is Trump's opposition, and the yardstick he is apparently measured by in the eyes of the unaffiliated. Take heed.
The White House declined to comment for this story, but a senior West Wing official said the call-capable phones “are seamlessly swapped out on a regular basis through routine support operations. Because of the security controls of the Twitter phone and the Twitter account, it does not necessitate regular change-out.”
Nothing in the article disputes this quote, so this can be explained away as the usual molehill-made-mountain by a media that exists to attract eyeballs and has no commitment to the truth or fairness in reporting.
I mean, I keep hearing that the left is responsible for his election, because we made those on the right feel so disrespected, they had to vote him in. Because they care so much what we think.
Let that sink in. Not even the majority are partisans for the left or the right, but generally hold the same disdain or indifference for both sides.
So when the left treats people unfairly, acts as cry bullies, purposefully lies and distorts the truth so as to attack Trump for even the most trivial of things, it's noticed. It's judged.
That aisle between the parties is wider than you think and it is easy for people to decide they don't like the sour, bitter taste of your kool-aid.
I doubt it. The complete and total lack of self awareness, and the utter hypocrisy, and being totally incapable of constructive reform will lead us right back to the situation in '16 where Trump was elected to begin with. Look at Meglon foaming at the mouth; you guys just can't help yourself. You've ratcheted up the hatred so much, and the media lies and spins so much, that people just tune it out. The lines are drawn.
When a viable third party or an actual progressive candidate appears, of course you'll be there to twist the knife in their back to make sure Trump gets elected again. Then the infantile and impotent rage will then start all over.
The best propaganda is always that which subtly manipulates the emotions of those exposed to it. "I may not remember what you said, but I remember how you made me feel" is the principle behind it, and your post seems like a fine example of it in action. Strong emotional reactions put up barriers to what would otherwise be reasonable arguments.
"False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence doesn't bear because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors."
Yes, the lack of outrage has nothing to do with this other person's political views.
When you eat at McDonalds are you really expecting a dining experience, or do you just want to get your food in the least amount of time possible?
Because that's all this is; glorified fast food that currently enjoys a novelty factor and niche marketing. Once that sparkly wow factor novelty wears off, it'll have all the same charm and appeal of an automat. It'll join ranks with the places that already prepare food such as frozen meat patties that are thawed and cooked by traveling down a heated conveyor belt.
May as well stay home and make my own food for the cost of ingredients and watch TV just like always.
Slashdot Mirror
Since when did democratic ideals have any relevance? Otherwise, Aramco wouldn't be the most valued company in the world, and China would never have been given favored trade partner status to begin with.
Might suggest: GTFO, for Git Terrabyte File Operations
Vault 7, learn what it is. "Weeping Angel" in particular turned smart tvs into spy tvs.
When it comes to domestic spying, being a "tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nut" just means you're paying attention.
No, it smells like apple pie.
While selling books with the word 'truth' printed on the cover. And people find him credible, because he tells them exactly what he thinks they want to hear. It just works.
Games can be a part of the problem, in desensitizing undeveloped minds and training them towards violence. Not with the mere concept of killing, but with previously unavailable realism.
Just like part of the problem can be from a lack of skilled counselors,
A lack of empathy being instilled from teachers,
A lack of empathy being instilled from both parents having to work, or only having one parent.
A lack of empathy as a result of the culture of online communications and its cruelties,
A sense of injustice at the tormentors who are never dealt with or face punishment,
Drawing from experience of simulated violence and using the familiarity of these tools to act out revenge.
Problems in society are rarely simple.
Considering how the flight of the hummingbird more resembles that of an insect than it does of other birds.
Well, that escalated quickly.
Yeah, let's go to war with a nuclear power, based only on the word of TLA 'assessments' and the filthy liars at the DNC and their paid consultants Crowdstrike. If James Clapper says so, it must be true.
Holy fucking hell that is some Jonestown level kool-aid. Is that what we can expect from media matters and shareblue trolls now?
My point again is that you seem to ignore the transgressions of the GOP while focusing entirely on that of Hillary.
Nope. I only started commenting on /. in the last few years. I hate the GOP. I hate everything they stand for with trying to enact crony capitalism and lying us into more war to serve the military industrial complex, and enabling mass surveillance by the not-so-PATRIOTic act. Can I criticize their counterpart the DNC and Hillary "we came we saw he died muhaha" Clinton now? Please? Pretty please?
Actually, no, I don't need your permission and your insinuations don't invalidate my claims. Trying to shift the focus on the person making the argument as a way to dispute facts is the typical diversionary tactic of a partisan shill. Stop acting like one.
1. Chain of custody, understand what it is and why it's important.
2. Continuing to use a server for handling sensitive information even after it is known or suspected of being compromised, and using convenience as an excuse is stupid. To compound it by making it an excuse to also not turn evidence over to law enforcement is beyond stupid.
"Trust us" when there is no credibility is evidence that only a fool would believe.
If you question the narrative, you're unpatriotic and a pawn of the enemy.
Where the fuck have I heard this before. Oh that's right, just before we went to war with Iraq.
You have yet to provide any evidence of your accusations. When confronted with that, you point to a cover up.
Well that's amusing coming from someone who wants to claim convenience as the sole motivating factor for exclusively using a private server for state business. When not even the example of the destruction of the records despite a preservation order can possibly stand as evidence in your eyes, then it seems that you're only interested in moving the goal posts.
Because it would seem to me that 88 people would seem more like a conspiracy to me.
Well maybe. I wouldn't put it past the Cheney administration to want to avoid things being entered into the public record. But what was the opinion of Meredith Fuchs, an attorney for the National Security Archive?*
Asked if the losses of the e-mails were deliberate, neglectful or accidental, Fuchs said, "The Bush Administration had sloppy practices and they had no sense that it mattered.They way they handled it to me suggested they didn’t take their record preservation obligations seriously. To me, the way they dealt with us during the litigation signaled that."
Seems like negligence on the their part, but I don't see where highly classified information was stored on insecure devices.
Trump also doesn't have anything to do with the State dept. being sued to release these records in a timely manner, or with the original FOIA lawsuit that revealed the private email server to begin with.
tilting at windmills means attacking imaginary enemies. Unfortunately there is no lack of people who want to mislead or bury the truth to satisfy their own political preferences.
Again your assertions on top of your accusations.
Against your determination to hand wave using convenience as an excuse, while ignoring purposeful actions that point to a cover up. "lost for a time" vrs. lost for all time due to deliberate destruction in the face of congressional hearings. Lucky for us Platte River happened to back up those emails containing SAP level secret information to a cloud provider, huh?
So let's wait for the State Department to be forced to release more emails before the decade is up and possibly reveal something in black and white and not completely redacted that could even come close to your expectations of proof.
Can they, though? It seems to me that a lot of voters hate 'both' parties and the political system in general and thus do not want to identify with them.
I wasn't referring to party affiliation, but rather how people tend to vote in a first-past-the-post system where the 'lesser evil' is the preferable choice.
The majority of voters voted for Hillary Clinton, which invalidates your claim.
There is the distinct possibility of Trump being a two term president, and the post I was originally replying to referred to the next election. The Dems seem incapable of reform, nay they seem to be doubling down, and there was the slashdot post to illustrate the attitude that in my personal opinion makes them insufferable even to middle of the road independents.
Both cases involve email, therefore total equivalence? I mean, whats the difference between archival data being mislabeled, (assuming that was the case), and purposely destroying records after a preservation order has been issued? It's not even a decent whataboutism.
In your accusations I don't see any support for the idea that the use of a private email server was specifically to avoid FOIA requests. That's speculation on your part.
I guess I shouldn't be so cynical when career politicians become incredibly wealthy and start having these kind of shenanigans when it comes to their communications while in office. Even when their spouses are getting paid 500k for speeches. Nah, it was all just for convenience.
You mean the 22 million emails that were recovered on archival tape?
In the links you provided I didn't see much to suggest that these GOP members were using personal accounts for the sake of circumventing FOIA requests. We can agree that public disclosure for the sake of oversight is important. As noted by the Times article:
Officials are supposed to use government emails for their official duties so their conversations are available to the public and those conducting oversight. But it is not illegal for White House officials to use private email accounts as long as they forward work-related messages to their work accounts so they can be preserved.
Did you miss the part about 'support operations' that enact 'security controls' and the call capable phones are swapped out on a regular basis?
Would a phone modified to be task specific for using Twitter include a functional microphone, camera, and unfiltered and unrestricted data access?
I'm not a security expert but even I can take apart a phone to disable hardware components. I'm going to assume those in charge of White House security are also capable of this.
I should have been more clear, then. They are leaning, and they aren't loyalists, and that's the point. They can be swayed to one side or the other, and their political opinions are not predetermined by party dogma. They aren't as likely to be swayed by obvious political hatchet pieces or overly impressed by childish hyperbolic name calling.
Regardless of Trump's qualification for the office, or even his capacity as POTUS to use the tiny rudder to steer the massive ship that is the US economy to the degree you'd be satisfied with in as little of time he's been in office, the fact remains he was voted in. But leftists seem completely oblivious to their own behavior that leads the silent majority to rather want put up with Trump's shit, than theirs. The mod +5 insightful for the parent post is 'exhibit A' for such complete lack of self awareness.
FFS, Pelosi and other democrat leadership trying to white knight on behalf of a notoriously murderous street gang of illegal aliens. This is Trump's opposition, and the yardstick he is apparently measured by in the eyes of the unaffiliated. Take heed.
From TFA:
The White House declined to comment for this story, but a senior West Wing official said the call-capable phones “are seamlessly swapped out on a regular basis through routine support operations. Because of the security controls of the Twitter phone and the Twitter account, it does not necessitate regular change-out.”
Nothing in the article disputes this quote, so this can be explained away as the usual molehill-made-mountain by a media that exists to attract eyeballs and has no commitment to the truth or fairness in reporting.
I mean, I keep hearing that the left is responsible for his election, because we made those on the right feel so disrespected, they had to vote him in. Because they care so much what we think.
Pew research did a poll that found independents outnumbered partisans.
Let that sink in. Not even the majority are partisans for the left or the right, but generally hold the same disdain or indifference for both sides.
So when the left treats people unfairly, acts as cry bullies, purposefully lies and distorts the truth so as to attack Trump for even the most trivial of things, it's noticed. It's judged. That aisle between the parties is wider than you think and it is easy for people to decide they don't like the sour, bitter taste of your kool-aid.
I doubt it. The complete and total lack of self awareness, and the utter hypocrisy, and being totally incapable of constructive reform will lead us right back to the situation in '16 where Trump was elected to begin with. Look at Meglon foaming at the mouth; you guys just can't help yourself. You've ratcheted up the hatred so much, and the media lies and spins so much, that people just tune it out. The lines are drawn.
When a viable third party or an actual progressive candidate appears, of course you'll be there to twist the knife in their back to make sure Trump gets elected again. Then the infantile and impotent rage will then start all over.
Robots don't need to be to told to wash their hands after going to the bathroom, either.
The best propaganda is always that which subtly manipulates the emotions of those exposed to it. "I may not remember what you said, but I remember how you made me feel" is the principle behind it, and your post seems like a fine example of it in action. Strong emotional reactions put up barriers to what would otherwise be reasonable arguments.
"False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence doesn't bear because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors."
Yes, the lack of outrage has nothing to do with this other person's political views.
When you eat at McDonalds are you really expecting a dining experience, or do you just want to get your food in the least amount of time possible?
Because that's all this is; glorified fast food that currently enjoys a novelty factor and niche marketing. Once that sparkly wow factor novelty wears off, it'll have all the same charm and appeal of an automat. It'll join ranks with the places that already prepare food such as frozen meat patties that are thawed and cooked by traveling down a heated conveyor belt.
May as well stay home and make my own food for the cost of ingredients and watch TV just like always.
I'm sure the cats enjoy having the company. ;)