The problem is, its not the same thing. Jet liners weren't, and aren't, about going up in the air for the novelty of it, and then coming back down. This space "travel" thing is all kinds of goofy. Tons of cash just to go up and come down? zzzzz Tons of cash to go to an orbital space station? More appealing, but people don't go to hotels to see the hotel....and they don't go to resorts with beautiful views but are forced to stay locked in your room or else you die. A Cruise Liner would be the best parrallel, assuming you're not on the boat to visit anything -- but will the orbital station be THAT elaborate, with ballrooms and dining halls and gambling? That would be pretty advanced....
IMO space travellists should be looking for the tech for suborbital ultrafast business flights, say go from NY to Switzerland in just a couple hours. That's where the money would be.
so does it follow that if it were an open source DLL and the 3rd party could alter it, then it wouldn't be MS' problem and security would therefore suffer?
I responded to your point. Cut at the base, the weight at the top which is past geosynch is pulling, since there's no longer any tension at the base, it should fly out into space. Correct me if I'm wrong. You didn't spell anything out, you just babbled. You didn't correct me, brutally or otherwise.
I've seen those, they're pretty cool. Space elevators seem more practical to me though. Dunno for sure, but it would be nice to give many options a try. Lord knows the space shuttle was pretty much a failure for cheap ways to space.
I sure hope you don't aren't flung into space today by the centripetal acceleration of the Earth's rotation today. Good luck with that.
Not a big believer in grammar or proofreading, are we?
If you cut the cable near the base, it should fly out into space. There's a big weight at the top past geosynch orbit that should drag it out. I think. If I'm wrong, say so with some support, but don't attack with bad grammar and vague arguments.
The platform at sea is a pipe dream. Some country will offer to house it because it will be a HUGE moneymaker. Second, transport by rail to the station is probably cheaper and easier than having a huge port in the middle of nowhere off shipping lanes. A country is already on existing shipping lanes, saving money.
The private company in the story is talking about a very thin cable -- too thin. It's too likely to break, and it will be a harder sell.
Yeah thats what they say, but I've yet to see an independent study that confirms it. Plus, the private company is proposing a *very* thin cable as far as space elevators go. Even they admit it would probably snap if its in a hurricane, and that it probabaly can't survive an impact by a 10cm piece of space junk in LEO. So I seriously doubt any government is going to sign on to such a tenuous cable, one that has a good chance of breaking. They're going to want to make it thicker and more durable, and when you do that, I bet you increase the risks of what happens if there's a collapse.
that's geosynchronous orbit. The satellite at 62k miles is stationary with respect to a point on the ground below it. it just "hangs" there. Thats why you can lower a cable to that point from the satellite.
Otherwise, if it were shorter or longer, the cable would wrap around the earth, dragging the satellite down. Not a very effective elevator.
Great to see space elevator research is starting to pick up. I think its safe to say now that its the only cheap way to space. Governments will have to be involved, as will many companies. Wherever the anchor is will be a huge decision that could completely turn around a 3rd world nation -- or political instability could make it impossible. There's not many "safe" equitorial sites with lots of room for support organization -- look at a map.
The safety issue could really kill it though. If it starts to wrap around the earth, watch out. There has to be a way to "cut the cord" at this and and hope it flies out into space. Of course, a release mechanism like that is a liability in and of itself. So that's a very tough, maybe the toughest, hurdle.
A must read for anyone who's ever talked on the phone
Whoa, easy there tiger. Let's just say I find this to be the most ridiculous statement I've ever read. A must read for anyone who's ever had to do anything.
What makes this news interesting, life or not, is that it appears to be indicative of some sort of geothermal activity. Mars is thought to be a frozen solid planet, no liquid core, no mantle, etc, just a rock. Geothermal, or in this case, Areothermal activity would shift a lot of current thought on mars.
That's absurd. look at all the unexpected places in the past 10 years where we've found life -- on Earth. and the majority of life doesnt have bones, or saucer wrecks, or is visible to the naked eye.
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youre right. countdown to zero-gee porn in 3...2...
4 hurricanes and now an upcoming unavoidable supernova?
crap. Florida is going to be pissed...
The problem is, its not the same thing. Jet liners weren't, and aren't, about going up in the air for the novelty of it, and then coming back down. This space "travel" thing is all kinds of goofy. Tons of cash just to go up and come down? zzzzz Tons of cash to go to an orbital space station? More appealing, but people don't go to hotels to see the hotel....and they don't go to resorts with beautiful views but are forced to stay locked in your room or else you die. A Cruise Liner would be the best parrallel, assuming you're not on the boat to visit anything -- but will the orbital station be THAT elaborate, with ballrooms and dining halls and gambling? That would be pretty advanced....
IMO space travellists should be looking for the tech for suborbital ultrafast business flights, say go from NY to Switzerland in just a couple hours. That's where the money would be.
so does it follow that if it were an open source DLL and the 3rd party could alter it, then it wouldn't be MS' problem and security would therefore suffer?
Interesting logical trap there...
Did anyone else read that as "Infinium may have Content Partners" as in "Infinium may have happy, satisfied partners" --- and subsequently chuckle?
I mean honestly...who in the world can say "Phantom Game Service" with a straight face? Are they really that oblivious to the obvious pun?
No coverage of Tiger Woods 2005? That came out yesterday too ya know!
So if a significant portion of cable is severed above the geosynch point, it would slowly fall? Wouldnt that be a pretty difficult thing to fix?
I responded to your point. Cut at the base, the weight at the top which is past geosynch is pulling, since there's no longer any tension at the base, it should fly out into space. Correct me if I'm wrong. You didn't spell anything out, you just babbled. You didn't correct me, brutally or otherwise.
I've seen those, they're pretty cool. Space elevators seem more practical to me though. Dunno for sure, but it would be nice to give many options a try. Lord knows the space shuttle was pretty much a failure for cheap ways to space.
I sure hope you don't aren't flung into space today by the centripetal acceleration of the Earth's rotation today. Good luck with that.
Not a big believer in grammar or proofreading, are we?
If you cut the cable near the base, it should fly out into space. There's a big weight at the top past geosynch orbit that should drag it out. I think. If I'm wrong, say so with some support, but don't attack with bad grammar and vague arguments.
This is almost akin to a retraction of yesterday's blog post, which was indeed lacking. bravo.
Oh yeah. I assumed the parent had the right number because I had forgotten it. Oops.
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You are righter.
Bundling, braiding, etc are all ways around this. Theyll find a way. Steel cables are longer and stronger now than they were 100 years ago.
The platform at sea is a pipe dream. Some country will offer to house it because it will be a HUGE moneymaker. Second, transport by rail to the station is probably cheaper and easier than having a huge port in the middle of nowhere off shipping lanes. A country is already on existing shipping lanes, saving money.
The private company in the story is talking about a very thin cable -- too thin. It's too likely to break, and it will be a harder sell.
Yeah thats what they say, but I've yet to see an independent study that confirms it. Plus, the private company is proposing a *very* thin cable as far as space elevators go. Even they admit it would probably snap if its in a hurricane, and that it probabaly can't survive an impact by a 10cm piece of space junk in LEO. So I seriously doubt any government is going to sign on to such a tenuous cable, one that has a good chance of breaking. They're going to want to make it thicker and more durable, and when you do that, I bet you increase the risks of what happens if there's a collapse.
that's geosynchronous orbit. The satellite at 62k miles is stationary with respect to a point on the ground below it. it just "hangs" there. Thats why you can lower a cable to that point from the satellite.
Otherwise, if it were shorter or longer, the cable would wrap around the earth, dragging the satellite down. Not a very effective elevator.
Great to see space elevator research is starting to pick up. I think its safe to say now that its the only cheap way to space. Governments will have to be involved, as will many companies. Wherever the anchor is will be a huge decision that could completely turn around a 3rd world nation -- or political instability could make it impossible. There's not many "safe" equitorial sites with lots of room for support organization -- look at a map.
The safety issue could really kill it though. If it starts to wrap around the earth, watch out. There has to be a way to "cut the cord" at this and and hope it flies out into space. Of course, a release mechanism like that is a liability in and of itself. So that's a very tough, maybe the toughest, hurdle.
TES:Oblivion -- thats the "world" in between the dungeon polygons in Daggerfall right?
No prob. 8D
A must read for anyone who's ever talked on the phone
Whoa, easy there tiger. Let's just say I find this to be the most ridiculous statement I've ever read. A must read for anyone who's ever had to do anything.
Uh i saw it, but it still comes out tomorrow, Sep 21. That's still significantly earlier than November.
It's out this month? I thought it was November! I need to pay attention better...
That said, according to this review it looks like it will be a disappointment. Ouch. That disappoints me...I'll read it anyway though.
What makes this news interesting, life or not, is that it appears to be indicative of some sort of geothermal activity. Mars is thought to be a frozen solid planet, no liquid core, no mantle, etc, just a rock. Geothermal, or in this case, Areothermal activity would shift a lot of current thought on mars.
That's absurd. look at all the unexpected places in the past 10 years where we've found life -- on Earth. and the majority of life doesnt have bones, or saucer wrecks, or is visible to the naked eye.