I'm not saying that Ted Kennedy would grand stand in order to get the political benefit of TV face-time, but the triggers for this list are extremely well known. If you wanted to get on the list, buying a one way ticket with cash has been on the news... And yes, saying that a large federal beuracracy is slow and ineffective is sort of like saying the sky is blue. That's why I'm so excited about improving health care with a federal single payer system;-)
You seem a little indignant about blocking and sure that no one would want subscription. That seems completely backward to me. As a matter of fact subscription based internet works exceptionally well for me and "free" or volunteer content worked well on the internet for many many years and continues to now. I can go to my local papers site and read enough of what they offer to decide wether I want to pay for the whole deal, and I do. I can go to technical sites set up as a learning experience by students and researchers and learn incredible things. Both of those are good things(tm). And for the record I'm all about profit and capitalism I just prefer that my ads stick to broadcast media.
It is such bad form to reply to a troll but somehow I can't help it... What makes you think this equipment won't end up as infrastructure there? Quite a lot of the things shipped to our troops will be AIPed to the local population, that's normally how it's done. Shipping back a six month old mesh transciever is going to make a lot less sense then handing it to a local school.
I hope everyone reading this thread gets up out of their chair... says "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" and walks down to a local campaign office to volunteer (Now, go! You don't need to read this...). Because once you've done that, you'll know how silly it is to think one person might win a statewide office by "run(ing) a campaign going door to door". I've known many people who -have- run county and state campaigns by doing that but it -is not enough-. All serious candidates (below federal level) spend 6 to 10 hours a day every day knocking on doors, going to events and basically shaking hands. They lose weight, their kids forget their names and in a state with millions of people what percentage of the population will hear even the 30 second portion of your plan that you can present that way? None, you'll wear yourself to the bone and no significant portion of the voters will have even heard your name. We don't want a system like that. Don't bemoan the fact that campaigns are run in a business like manner, they -should- be. Bemoan the fact that the marketing collateral they produce is often emotional and inconseqential fluff. The problem is NOT that they're using modern tools, the problem is that they're using modern tools to churn out meaningless pablum. All IMO.
This sort of argument is what drives people to Libertarianism. Nobody here is typing about wether or not we should help mom or dad. We're typing about a TAX. (actually we used to be typing about a tax to split out the cost of wiretaps but obviously that's fallen far by the wayside). And that's where the whole "government is here to take care of you" thing really falls on it's face. You (personally) don't get off the hook of taking care of your parents because you pay for SS (or whatever your country calls it)... but that is definetly the way quite a lot of people act. Viewed from a slightly more "radical" (or realistic) perspective: why are you forcing your neighbor to pay for your parents care? Answers to this question usually devolve quickly into talk about "social contract" and similar nonexistent vagueisms that concentrate on the warm fuzzy "lets take care of one another" while blotting out the implementing reality of tax guys with guns and flash bang grenades. At any rate that's a lot of typing to say that I certainly do agree that we owe our parents our lives. I'm just not sure that I owe mine your income. Token on topic point- taxes that make expenses easier to account are good imo. If this means we break them out into to many things for people to think about... maybe people will get to thinking about -that-. Just IMHO.
If the device has an OS that "only the vendor can ever see" you have to assume there is some change that it -is- windows or embedded windows.
Also to the folks talking about a difference between an xray device going down (being less critical) and a ventilator going down (being more) you can't predict wich tool will be important. In life, odd things happen and someone coming through an ER with a nail shot into their head from a pneumatic gun may think that xray device is every bit as critical as some other guys ventilator. To my way of thinking, if it's medical equipment it is a critical application. Boyd (just a user of hospitals)
You're assuming that the people you see speaking out against it aren't conservative. Also everyone (particularly the two posts above yours) assumes that evoting is about pushing a touch screen. In Washington state we use the electronics where they're needed to speed the process and the paper where it's needed to maintain a trail. With scanned paper ballots the paper is secured as record and the scanners are secured to communicate results quickly. Isn't that really the goal of all of this, to get accurate counts quickly? Of course that's being foiled by the folks who push absentee balloting wich slows the system horribly.
Can prions be destroyed? A friend that I normally trust on these things (biology background, although she is active in Sierra Club ; ) tells me that once formed, prions do not break down. That burying cattle for instance, leaves these proteins in the ground and that they don't ever break down. Is that true? If that's true, the followup question is what do the do with the remains of the study rats?
Why hope "people can eventually..." it's not a surprise that people are concerned with the actions of the largest (most impact, best known) employer in our industry... yes he holds his daughters hand but that does not effect the Gross Domestic Product.
When people comment on the business practices of MS they're not indicting Gates as a man, that doesn't really enter into it. Certainly wether he holds his daughters hand does not.
Deploying broadband in rural areas IS about access for people in rural areas. You chose to frame it as a social policy and I chose to take a look at it from the individual perspective. Either way the point you ignored was that things like technology access and the other lifestyle factors I mentioned -are- lifestyle choices. And tradeoffs are a normal and good part of that (normal in both an individual and societal sense) If you'd like to disagree with that I think it could be an interesting discussion. But simply stating that it's not a lifestyle choice doesn't make it so.
Your "I thought not" jab at my knowledge of the I90 corridor is even more flippant and reflects badly on your security about your main point. In fact I've lived in that area and been a land owner there (and in the suburbs West of there) for more then 20 years. In the western foothills, Issaquah is a suburb, Preston is just inside the Urban Growth Management Boundary but still has an average parcel size over an acre and North bend is outside the UMB with 5+ acre avg parcels making it rural in every sense of the word. The reason I mentioned it is that Level3 and QWest both maintain huge Network Operating Centers there tied into the east west fiber lines near Snoqualmie (wich is also outside the UMB) and, since you asked, I have lived there and arranged wide pipe DSL to residences in North Bend and Snoqualmie. On the other hand your point in mentioning it... seems to have been to insult me. Better luck next time.
"The government" doesn't build broadband links, it takes your money and pays it to other people to do that. You mentioned that the US has far higher GDP then canada and korea and part of the reason for that is that we allow MARKETS to determine the wider spread of goods and services rather "people in power". And that, my friend, is a good thing (tm).
No, it' not a problem. Some people choose to live on acreage, breathe clean air and wake up to mountain views. Some people choose to live in cities with plays and clubs and slightly better access to some technology. That's not a problem, it's -choice-. (And if you don't tell anyone that the I90 corridor through the mountains of Washington is one of the west coasts highest east west concentrations of comm bandwidth then I won't either.) -BK425 (looking for land in the North Bend-Preston area)
And speaking of monopolistic practices... I have this friend who graduated from high school in 80 he had been planning for 5 or 6 years to get a 2yr vocational certificate at a community college in media technology and then get a job at a major market television station while he worked his way through a Bachelors degree. He had an uncle who'd been chief engineer at this particular station for 20 years and the year I got the stinking certificate CNN busted the unions. This meant (some) fewer jobs with a whole lot of highly experienced personnel chasing them the year my friend got his paper. Now, I'm not bitter ; ) but hearing Ted freakin' Turner talk about trimming the power of media corporations is just a little bit to much.
It's really funny you should mention that. Reading the article I noticed it's a dutch company... The worst job of my life was a brief stint working for a well knownengineering firm that specializes in power plants. Engineering like this has legal requirements for documentation and document retention coming out the ears. This particular company used a very expensive scanner/plotter system that was either dutch or swedish (can't remember) and one day I was in the back getting a stapler when I noticed the boss reading a manual for the RAID array on the server... Oh, so many bad things I'll try to keep this short: Every CAD drawing in the system (her department "coded" probably 50-~100 per day for storage) was in an Access db.
They fired me after I had a two day flu. Shoulda seen that coming when the other temp in my introductory interview asked me if I'd smelled the booze in the coffee she had spilled...
Seriously, I read the fine article and could not -believe- this warranted space on slashdot. "Q: Do you consider their current business tactics unsustainable? Will they have to pull back? A: I think you struck maybe a higher question: What was the point of the merger (with Compaq)?"
What is he GOING to say?? Um Gee, HP was making great systems when Mikey was sucking his thumb but we rock better then they do? What's even more strange is how the interviewer let him redirect this question. NO, the interviewer didn't strike the "higher question" and you'd have to be high to think that the question the new dude made up was anything but transparent spin. Yet, here we see it on slashdot...
That's right, he had nothing to do with the bay of pigs. And if you deny it those people who tried to assisinate Fidel so many times might show up on your doorstep. But Kennedy also had nothing to do with that ; )
Children naturally misunderstand power. They see television, or just other kids running around shouting bang and, if sheilded from the responsibility surrounding power, think that's something they can apply to help themeselves feel better. Then, parents hide tools that are (improperly but widely) associated with power from their children and the children naturally become curious about it (Sex, guns, etc). It is a recipe for the worst kind of disaster. Hiding things from children is never a realistic option.
Also, kids need to become responsible as early as they're capable of it because that is the nature of life. Since Mogg met Og parents have wanted their kids to continue a carefree childlike existence that... never existed. If Og took a second to think back on middle school, and ask himself if he was surrounded by happy peppy people all of the time or if a few of the people in his life were sometimes troubled he'd be moving in the direction of waking up. People come in all shapes and sizes, try to help your children deal with that as early as you can. Some of us think that helping them understand self defense (and whatever tools relevent to self defense the parent finds appropriate) is a Good Thing(tm).
Score 5 informative? I thought he was -joking-: "be sure to inform any neighbors you have as well as the police that you are having an airsoft game."
We -want- a shooting game involving tools that look like weapons of deadly force? What if the dispatcher forgets to tell the patrol in your area? This is a bad idea on so -many- levels... Airsoft is great, the good guns teach trigger control and follow through... but pointing them at other humans is just a bad idea.
It's the "Internet access $20 a month." That deters them actually, not the money certainly (and absolutely none of this is about money, they have that in spades) but the paper trail. Try getting an ISP account without bank numbers...
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CHANGE?? I voted for him because I thought he still was a "hard partier" ;-)
(Yes, that was a joke folks. Just move along now...)
I'm not saying that Ted Kennedy would grand stand in order to get the political benefit of TV face-time, but the triggers for this list are extremely well known. If you wanted to get on the list, buying a one way ticket with cash has been on the news... ;-)
And yes, saying that a large federal beuracracy is slow and ineffective is sort of like saying the sky is blue. That's why I'm so excited about improving health care with a federal single payer system
You seem a little indignant about blocking and sure that no one would want subscription. That seems completely backward to me. As a matter of fact subscription based internet works exceptionally well for me and "free" or volunteer content worked well on the internet for many many years and continues to now.
I can go to my local papers site and read enough of what they offer to decide wether I want to pay for the whole deal, and I do. I can go to technical sites set up as a learning experience by students and researchers and learn incredible things. Both of those are good things(tm). And for the record I'm all about profit and capitalism I just prefer that my ads stick to broadcast media.
It is such bad form to reply to a troll but somehow I can't help it...
What makes you think this equipment won't end up as infrastructure there? Quite a lot of the things shipped to our troops will be AIPed to the local population, that's normally how it's done. Shipping back a six month old mesh transciever is going to make a lot less sense then handing it to a local school.
I hope everyone reading this thread gets up out of their chair... says "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" and walks down to a local campaign office to volunteer (Now, go! You don't need to read this...).
Because once you've done that, you'll know how silly it is to think one person might win a statewide office by "run(ing) a campaign going door to door". I've known many people who -have- run county and state campaigns by doing that but it -is not enough-. All serious candidates (below federal level) spend 6 to 10 hours a day every day knocking on doors, going to events and basically shaking hands. They lose weight, their kids forget their names and in a state with millions of people what percentage of the population will hear even the 30 second portion of your plan that you can present that way? None, you'll wear yourself to the bone and no significant portion of the voters will have even heard your name. We don't want a system like that.
Don't bemoan the fact that campaigns are run in a business like manner, they -should- be. Bemoan the fact that the marketing collateral they produce is often emotional and inconseqential fluff. The problem is NOT that they're using modern tools, the problem is that they're using modern tools to churn out meaningless pablum. All IMO.
This sort of argument is what drives people to Libertarianism. Nobody here is typing about wether or not we should help mom or dad. We're typing about a TAX. (actually we used to be typing about a tax to split out the cost of wiretaps but obviously that's fallen far by the wayside). And that's where the whole "government is here to take care of you" thing really falls on it's face. You (personally) don't get off the hook of taking care of your parents because you pay for SS (or whatever your country calls it)... but that is definetly the way quite a lot of people act. Viewed from a slightly more "radical" (or realistic) perspective: why are you forcing your neighbor to pay for your parents care? Answers to this question usually devolve quickly into talk about "social contract" and similar nonexistent vagueisms that concentrate on the warm fuzzy "lets take care of one another" while blotting out the implementing reality of tax guys with guns and flash bang grenades.
At any rate that's a lot of typing to say that I certainly do agree that we owe our parents our lives. I'm just not sure that I owe mine your income.
Token on topic point- taxes that make expenses easier to account are good imo. If this means we break them out into to many things for people to think about... maybe people will get to thinking about -that-. Just IMHO.
If the device has an OS that "only the vendor can ever see" you have to assume there is some change that it -is- windows or embedded windows.
Also to the folks talking about a difference between an xray device going down (being less critical) and a ventilator going down (being more) you can't predict wich tool will be important. In life, odd things happen and someone coming through an ER with a nail shot into their head from a pneumatic gun may think that xray device is every bit as critical as some other guys ventilator. To my way of thinking, if it's medical equipment it is a critical application. Boyd (just a user of hospitals)
So, we should set social policy to fill the unmet demand for ... programmers? Bangalore is calling and ...
What, counterfeiting bus passes or asking for legal advice on /.?
WHO IS NUMBER ONE??
You're assuming that the people you see speaking out against it aren't conservative.
Also everyone (particularly the two posts above yours) assumes that evoting is about pushing a touch screen. In Washington state we use the electronics where they're needed to speed the process and the paper where it's needed to maintain a trail. With scanned paper ballots the paper is secured as record and the scanners are secured to communicate results quickly. Isn't that really the goal of all of this, to get accurate counts quickly? Of course that's being foiled by the folks who push absentee balloting wich slows the system horribly.
Slashdot rocks. tnx Idarubicin.
Can prions be destroyed? A friend that I normally trust on these things (biology background, although she is active in Sierra Club ; ) tells me that once formed, prions do not break down. That burying cattle for instance, leaves these proteins in the ground and that they don't ever break down. Is that true?
If that's true, the followup question is what do the do with the remains of the study rats?
Why hope "people can eventually..." it's not a surprise that people are concerned with the actions of the largest (most impact, best known) employer in our industry... yes he holds his daughters hand but that does not effect the Gross Domestic Product.
When people comment on the business practices of MS they're not indicting Gates as a man, that doesn't really enter into it. Certainly wether he holds his daughters hand does not.
Deploying broadband in rural areas IS about access for people in rural areas. You chose to frame it as a social policy and I chose to take a look at it from the individual perspective. Either way the point you ignored was that things like technology access and the other lifestyle factors I mentioned -are- lifestyle choices. And tradeoffs are a normal and good part of that (normal in both an individual and societal sense) If you'd like to disagree with that I think it could be an interesting discussion. But simply stating that it's not a lifestyle choice doesn't make it so.
Your "I thought not" jab at my knowledge of the I90 corridor is even more flippant and reflects badly on your security about your main point. In fact I've lived in that area and been a land owner there (and in the suburbs West of there) for more then 20 years. In the western foothills, Issaquah is a suburb, Preston is just inside the Urban Growth Management Boundary but still has an average parcel size over an acre and North bend is outside the UMB with 5+ acre avg parcels making it rural in every sense of the word. The reason I mentioned it is that Level3 and QWest both maintain huge Network Operating Centers there tied into the east west fiber lines near Snoqualmie (wich is also outside the UMB) and, since you asked, I have lived there and arranged wide pipe DSL to residences in North Bend and Snoqualmie. On the other hand your point in mentioning it... seems to have been to insult me. Better luck next time.
"The government" doesn't build broadband links, it takes your money and pays it to other people to do that. You mentioned that the US has far higher GDP then canada and korea and part of the reason for that is that we allow MARKETS to determine the wider spread of goods and services rather "people in power". And that, my friend, is a good thing (tm).
No, it' not a problem. Some people choose to live on acreage, breathe clean air and wake up to mountain views. Some people choose to live in cities with plays and clubs and slightly better access to some technology. That's not a problem, it's -choice-.
(And if you don't tell anyone that the I90 corridor through the mountains of Washington is one of the west coasts highest east west concentrations of comm bandwidth then I won't either.)
-BK425
(looking for land in the North Bend-Preston area)
And speaking of monopolistic practices...
I have this friend who graduated from high school in 80 he had been planning for 5 or 6 years to get a 2yr vocational certificate at a community college in media technology and then get a job at a major market television station while he worked his way through a Bachelors degree. He had an uncle who'd been chief engineer at this particular station for 20 years and the year I got the stinking certificate CNN busted the unions. This meant (some) fewer jobs with a whole lot of highly experienced personnel chasing them the year my friend got his paper. Now, I'm not bitter ; ) but hearing Ted freakin' Turner talk about trimming the power of media corporations is just a little bit to much.
It's really funny you should mention that. Reading the article I noticed it's a dutch company... The worst job of my life was a brief stint working for a well knownengineering firm that specializes in power plants. Engineering like this has legal requirements for documentation and document retention coming out the ears. This particular company used a very expensive scanner/plotter system that was either dutch or swedish (can't remember) and one day I was in the back getting a stapler when I noticed the boss reading a manual for the RAID array on the server ... Oh, so many bad things I'll try to keep this short: Every CAD drawing in the system (her department "coded" probably 50-~100 per day for storage) was in an Access db.
They fired me after I had a two day flu. Shoulda seen that coming when the other temp in my introductory interview asked me if I'd smelled the booze in the coffee she had spilled...
Seriously, I read the fine article and could not -believe- this warranted space on slashdot.
"Q: Do you consider their current business tactics unsustainable? Will they have to pull back?
A: I think you struck maybe a higher question: What was the point of the merger (with Compaq)?"
What is he GOING to say?? Um Gee, HP was making great systems when Mikey was sucking his thumb but we rock better then they do? What's even more strange is how the interviewer let him redirect this question. NO, the interviewer didn't strike the "higher question" and you'd have to be high to think that the question the new dude made up was anything but transparent spin. Yet, here we see it on slashdot...
That's right, he had nothing to do with the bay of pigs. And if you deny it those people who tried to assisinate Fidel so many times might show up on your doorstep. But Kennedy also had nothing to do with that ; )
Children naturally misunderstand power. They see television, or just other kids running around shouting bang and, if sheilded from the responsibility surrounding power, think that's something they can apply to help themeselves feel better. Then, parents hide tools that are (improperly but widely) associated with power from their children and the children naturally become curious about it (Sex, guns, etc). It is a recipe for the worst kind of disaster. Hiding things from children is never a realistic option.
Also, kids need to become responsible as early as they're capable of it because that is the nature of life. Since Mogg met Og parents have wanted their kids to continue a carefree childlike existence that... never existed. If Og took a second to think back on middle school, and ask himself if he was surrounded by happy peppy people all of the time or if a few of the people in his life were sometimes troubled he'd be moving in the direction of waking up. People come in all shapes and sizes, try to help your children deal with that as early as you can. Some of us think that helping them understand self defense (and whatever tools relevent to self defense the parent finds appropriate) is a Good Thing(tm).
Score 5 informative?
I thought he was -joking-: "be sure to inform any neighbors you have as well as the police that you are having an airsoft game."
We -want- a shooting game involving tools that look like weapons of deadly force? What if the dispatcher forgets to tell the patrol in your area? This is a bad idea on so -many- levels...
Airsoft is great, the good guns teach trigger control and follow through... but pointing them at other humans is just a bad idea.
It's the
"Internet access $20 a month."
That deters them actually, not the money certainly (and absolutely none of this is about money, they have that in spades) but the paper trail. Try getting an ISP account without bank numbers...