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zapatero writes "The San Francisco Chronicle has an enjoyable read with new Dell CEO Kevin Rollins. He has quite a critique of the HP acquisition of Compaq: 'They had a great, profitable printer business before. They still have a great, profitable printer business. ... Their profits are 70 to 80 percent from the printer business. So that's the area where the profit pool still lives. It's where it lived before. It's where it still is now. So I just ask, what's changed?'"
Conversely, you cannot say "I want all of the tax breaks and government s ubsidies of a company that is giving Americans jobs" while at the same time cherry-picking your labor pool from the cheapest of third-world labor.
If you want to be a "global company"? Fine. Then relinquish your cushy benefits you get for supporting American interests.
I didn't know compaq makes good printers... I have a Compaq IJ600 and it's a piece of junk that drinks ink. When I think of quality printers, I think of HP and the Laserjet series, not Compaq and the IJ trash. It also took forever to get running on Linux.
Since when has this country used intellectual elite as a pejorative term?
Is that HP now has a MUCH larger enterprise offering, a larger services staff, and a line of decent x86 servers. This means that they can get into a lot more large enterprise support contracts where only IBM really played before. Dell is great at slinging boxes for a cheap price but they can't compete where the real money is, services. I don't know how much it's showing on HP's balance sheet yet but I can guarentee you that the only way HP was going to survive was to transform itself the same way IBM did in the 90's, thanks to Dell and all the Dell wanna-be's there's zero cash to be had in building boxes, so you either have to beat Dell at their own game or find another area where there's money to be made, and services are about the only area I see.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
I'll tell you EXACTLY what HP got.
.... It's a shame too, I really liked Sun equipment, and *especially* Solaris. But 33mhz PCI buses on your high-end SF25k servers? Give me a break!
3 things:
1) The "legendary" DEC service & support models. Nothing -- and I mean NOTHING, not even IBM -- can compare. Nobody's support is like DEC's. Their support is SO good, it's absurd. I can really consider the dedicated support team I've got as an extension of my admin staff.
2) Two profitable businesses: Alpha/OpenVMS and NonStop (a/k/a Himalaya). As fashionable as it is to bash VMS, guess what, it's still around, and it's still VERY profitable.
VMS shops will continue to use VMS for a long, long time. In fact, as I recall, DEC/Compaq/HP is obligated to continue support through at least 2017. Cool stuff. (Isn't that when the lights go out on Broadway? Ba-dum-bum.)
NonStop is what runs, well, everything. Most SS7 networks are *highly* dependant on Nonstop. Yeah, sure, it's ridiculously expensive -- but it works. If you need 99.999%+ uptime, nothing else provides it --- not even the mainframe.
If you look at this merger through PC eyeglasses, yeah, it probably doesn't make much sense. But then if you look at it with the enterprise market in mind, it makes LOTS of sense.
Now, I'm not wild about the prospect of using the Itanium chips, but I have to say, the idea of running OpenVMS on the same systems with HP-UX, along with Linux, is definitely cool. Even nicer is that HP-UX (which is arcane in a lot of ways) will get some "real" features like TruClustering. Can't wait to see that!
Interesting times are ahead with HP.... I think they're a real powerhouse, and especially now that the integration of both companies is really rolling along, they're going to be a Big Force in the enterprise space.
I think it's going to come down to IBM and HP. Sun's just dropping the ball on SO many fronts lately (Bring back the Blueprints Engineers!!) that it's hard for me to count them as real players in the market right now
Yet another woefully inaccurate story title.
Yet another bitchy comment complaining about the slashdot editors.
Yet another self-referential comment mocking its own lack of originality.
Yet another excuse of an, uh, my brain hurts.
I live near a large HP facility (Boise, Idaho) and I've seen first hand the changes at HP. Brilliant engineers are being fired, and what used to be an emphasis on innovation and creativity has been replaced by a lust for short term profit to please the investors. I used to think HP was the most admirable company in tech, and maybe it was, but now... What goes around comes around though, I'm not expecting HP to succeed in the long run.
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I'm calling the guy out on his hyperbole. It would be corporate suicide to sell printer ink for the price of calf batter, er, bull jizz.
The printer joke regarding HP got old when Dell was young.
Nothing. You still can't make a profit selling PCs if you don't sell as much as DELL. Unless you are Apple.
Lars T.
To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck
Executranslator output:
"HP had a great printer business, and especially when we saw Queen Fiorina doing the merger dance, we thought, 'Hey. We're Dell, we rule, dude! We can make printers, kill cHomPaq's profit center, and then TAKE OVER THE WORLD!' But even after their sucky merger, they still make awesome printers, everyone still buys 'em, and we can't sell our printers. I hate her. Damn you, Carly! Oh, and our pothead spokesteen who got arrested for dealing pot, I hate him too."
It's even more fun if you picture him half-drunk at a bar, 10 o'clock shadow, disheveled suit- telling all this to another drunk guy at the bar.
Please help metamoderate.
...is that HP has completely lost sight of its sound roots in the engineering/geek world. HP used to be known as the producer of such geek icons as the HP48 series of calculators, the fantastic old LaserJets (not to be confused with the modern versions) and, of course, the venerable DeskJets. Today, their calculator business is a ghost of its former self, the new calculators are almost uniformly agreed to suck, and their once-vaunted printer business has devolved into the "drug dealer" model of doing business-- hook 'em with cheap printers, then sell them ink at obscene prices. (I remember reading a quote on SlashDot in the recent past saying that ink, ounce for ounce, is worth more than rare old wines now? Or something to that effect...)
Anyhow, HP used to be an engineer's company-- a geek's company. Didn't the Woz used to work there? And he was a geek's geek. Even as recently as my high school education (I'm 25), HP was a touchstone of geek culture.
And now that it's merged with Comcrap, its devolution into yet another mindless "cheap plastic crap computers" business has been completed.
There seem to be only two companies nowadays with solid geek-friendly engineering-- Apple (excepting many of their first-generation products) and IBM (think: ThinkPads... solid engineering and a simple, robust design virtually unchanged in 10 years). HP is now just Compaq wearing a tie. DEC is long gone ("Compaq Tru64 Unix", anyone?), swallowed by the Compaq beast. SGI is going out with a whimper instead of a bang. Sun sold their soul to Redmond and is now producing x86 and x86-64 hardware that are Windows-certified.
And, as usual... no one gives a damn. We're all too damned addicted to ShinyPlasticCrap(TM) to care about the lack of sound engineering.
As far as I'm concerned, Carly Fiorina's head should be on a stake somewhere, the damned sellout. She robbed us all of a good, solid, geeky company in favour of more anticompetitive, mindless, corporate, plastic crap.
Honey, I shrunk the Cygwin
Haven't read the article yet... can't wait to see what he has to say about his company's shoddy products and horrific support thanks to utilizing global workforce.
HPaq DL380 G3 > Dell.
To the OpenVMS fan - you guys sure are a die hard bunch! As a member of the hobbyist program from Montagar, I gotta say VMS is a odd cookie. Friends and myself have been playing with it as time permits on an older alphaserver 2100RM hooked to a Portmaster for remote serial access. Steep learning curve for us Unix people.
HP assimilation of Compaq NOT GOOD. HP needs to stick to printers, their desktops are poop. Compaq had good servers (but ugly, what is with the gaps around the drives!), but pretty much killed DIGITAL off.
I'm not a HP fan outside of printers and test gear, but they did the right thing by pimping the Compaq gear and fading out their ProCurve or whatever that crufty crap was they used to sell.
Dell though? Eat me with your flimsy 2u boxes.
The one box I have no experience with is IBM Netfinity. Good? Bad?
Southeastern Virginia REPRESENT!
As an ex-HP person who left on happy terms several years ago, I'm continually impressed by what I read from and about Dell's execs. They seem to be doing a lot of the things that HP seems/seemed incapable of doing; establishing new markets (as distinct from new products), managing people upwards as well as downwards, keeping focus on their core products, managing change, excellent marketing, etc.
A lot of that existed in the "old HP" (except the excellent marketing!), and seems to have gone from HP over the past several years. It's remarkable how short a time it took for HP to transition into the company it is today. HP's status as a leading engineering company seems to have all but disappeared now.
Many years ago, I went to HP as I thought it was the best training ground on offer; these days, I'd probably go to Dell for the same thing.
Conversely, you cannot say "I want all of the tax breaks and government s ubsidies of a company that is giving Americans jobs" while at the same time cherry-picking your labor pool from the cheapest of third-world labor. If you want to be a "global company"? Fine. Then relinquish your cushy benefits you get for supporting American interests.
Why don't you put some meat on your argument, demonstrating with actual figures that the tax breaks and "subsidies" (what subsidies?) Dell gets in the US are better than what they can achieve elsewhere.
I suspect the primary reason companies like Dell stay in the US is that they want to be on a US stock exchange. For various historical reasons, the US stock market has been the most attractive for companies since WWII. However, that may be changing now, and companies like Dell may take you at your word.
HP benefits more from the merger than Compaq, for the following reasons:
1. One less commodity x86 company to deal with on the Wintel side.
2. Acquisition of DEC, aka Compaq Alpha, and Tandem, aka NonStop. Instant credibility and long term customer base in the high-end transactional space. For non-enterprise Slashdotters, Tandems are almost as prevalent as MVS (mainframes) in the financial services sector.
3. iPaq and hand held technologies. HP's offerings weren't so hot until they got Compaq's mindshare.
Ironically, HP is massacring it own customer base in the HP-UX space. The Itanium relationship has been a disaster. "Hey, port to Itanium as its our long term unix strategy. Well, yes the processors underperform...and yes, no ISVs have ported over. And, well, no, we'll keep supporting HP-UX as long as its possible.." Of course, HP-UX customers are questioning the future of PA-RISC now in light of Itanium. So basically what's happened is no one is picking up Itanium nor PA-RISC at this point, and the PA-RISC space is slowly declining as people move to the P-Series (IBM) or Sun or linux clusters. Look at the latest sales and install base charts. I figure PA-RISC jumped the shark about 3-4 quarters ago, and its descent is accelerating month-by-month. (Mostly at the expense of IBM P-Series it seems)
I find it amazing that HP can make money some days...
John Maynard Keynes: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?"
Did you know that corporations pay less than 5% of tax revenue?
Used to be about 50%. In the last half-decade, it's shifted almost entirely onto the shoulders of the individual, because corporations have become experts at paying the least amount of taxes possible. Yay corporations!
Please help metamoderate.
Dell CEO: So what? Did customers benefit? Did employees benefit? Did shareholders benefit?
Funny he should ask that question of HP/Compaq. I could ask the same question of him and Dell's activities over the last two years. Quality has plunged across the line. The Inspiron series is now a joke. I've yet to meet a single customer of those laptops who did not have a problem within the first year (failed hard drive, fried motherboard, you name it). Outsourcing of support has made it impossible to get problems resolved in an efficient/competent manner. Who's benefitting? Not the customers, not the employees, and if they keep this up, people will stop buying Dells and the shareholders don't benefit either.
Obsolescence and just wearing out. You have to upgrade your PCs. You have to do that at some point in time because they just fall apart. They don't last forever.
Glad that he's so honest. Sorry, the ThinkPads I own do NOT just "wear out" within a year -- six years now and my ThinkPad still works great. I wish I can just shake all the companies that are buying Dells and tell them to wake up. This is a company that is deliberately building crappy products that fall apart in six months because their business model is to automatically "wear out" their machines so you can buy again. God, Dell makes my blood boil.
Yeah. They're selling very well. Absolutely. Because you all want them.
Please don't use "you all" as if you really are born around here. You are no more entitled to say this than Kerry's wife is entitled to say she's an "African American."
(Chief information officers) were holding some of these things with duct tape because they have been around for so long.
No. It's because you built them so poorly. Again, my company's Compaqs and IBMs are NOT wearing out. Only Dells. Guess who we are NOT buying from again?
o, I can't comment on that. But I can tell you, categorically, we're not going to buy Sun. There's just no strategic reason to be doing that.
Thank God. I never want Dell anywhere near a company with some real integrity and solid products.
..in japan.
Michael Dell was always taking shots at Apple, now this new guy is ripping HP? It's like some kind of inferiority complex with these guys, I swear.
I guess they just feel a little short in the pants because all Dell does is repackage other people's technology and slap a logo and a low price sticker on it. When everyone else is doing the innovating for you and all you do is shave your prices to run your competitors out of business, the business pretty much runs itself. That must leave a lot of free time to criticize other companies.
The question I'd like to see these fucks answer in an interview is, "Using only your fingers, can you tell us how many people have traded in an iPod for one of your shitty Digital Jukeboxes?"
'They had a great, profitable printer business before. They still have a great, profitable printer business. Their profits are 70 to 80 percent from the printer business. So that's the area where the profit pool still lives. It's where it lived before. It's where it still is now. So I just ask, what's changed?'
I had no idea the CEO of Dell was mentally retarded! His 'tardly grasp of Execu-English makes him blend in perfectly! Good for him - climbed all the way to the top and can now play in the executive washroom along with all the other brutally retarded short-bus occupants.
Executing every last one of these motherfuckers would be too good for them.
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I asked for him to list the specs: 1.8GHz, 14", 512MB, "Dell's guaranteed customer support," etc. I fired up pricewatch, told it to list 1.8GHz laptops with Windows installed (argh), and I'm looking at the same machine for $550. The ram was only 128, but pricewatch is listing 512 laptop chips starting at $50.
So I interject that even without some "wholesale deal" I could save them $1400 per laptop, but the consultant douche jumps in saying "Well you could save a few bucks buying from some no-name chopshop or you could get the peace-of-mind that buying from a trustworthy company that Dell offers."
My point is that a brand shouldn't be this powerful. Yeah maybe they'll send you a new machine if you step on it or whatever but you could work out similar deals with the little guys. But god damn, we're just going to drop hundreds of members' total dues for the year without shopping around??
Detecting a wall of office politics, as a lowly intern I backed off to choose my battles more carefully. After all, as far as the guys in my office were concerned, the two grand a unit wasn't coming out of some Christmas bonus fund or anything else that could affect them. My question is, in the interests of keeping our markets more effecient and increasing the flow of stuff being spread to consumers, shouldn't the government subsidize heavy promotion of pricewatch.com?
This interview was especially interesting, and I'm usually one to read a hardware review over a CEO interview any day. Its amazing to see how dells business has grown and spread out over the last few years. I think they're corporate image and branding have had a lot to do with it.
When I think "HP" the first thing that comes to mind is "Printers". When I think "HP PCs" the first thing that comes to mind is "junk". Now when I think of dell I think of a reputable company, I think of laptops, desktops, servers, handhelds, printers. I think of solid machines that work very well, last a long time, and are a plesure to work ok (I love the screwless entry and layout of the Deminsion Desktops). My great experience with dell desktops and servers makes dell a good choice for a pocket pc or printer in my view.
My company primaraly buys dell. We have a Dell NT4 server thats been in the company for 7 years now and its still ticking. Its not as easy to get inside of as the desktop workstations but I've actually never had to open it up to replace anything. We had a different CEO a few years ago that was a Gateway fanboy. A couple of gateway laptops were ordered but have since broken down. The feeling around the office when it comes to hardware is, "just go to dell". I know it seems like the "nobody ever got fired for buying microsoft" thing but the bad experiences with gateway and the solid ones with dell have really impacted our thinking when it comes to hardware
I thought the "Tell Dell" part of the interview was especially interesting. Twice a year dell gives the employees a way to speak their mind about their boss and it directly effects their bonus, and this goes all the way to the top. I think that is a wonderful way to give employees a sense of belonging. It gives lets them know that they have a say in the way the company operates. The company I work for does employee performance reviews twice a year. Its like the same thing dell does but the other way around. Now considering the fact that my company is small in comparison (100-150 employees) I'm not sure something like "tell dell" would work in my company. There are tons of things I could say about how my CIO "doesnt get it" (but then again I'm thinking like an engineer not a manager), but saying them on paper and turning that in to my boss is a completely different story.
Does anyone else hear work for a company that does performance reviews, or boss reviews? I'd like to hear some testimony, and this has really intreged me so I'm wondering if something like this would work in a small company like the one I work for.
Slashdot needs spellcheck. Maybe I should get that firebird spellcheck extension
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Darl McBride, SCO - from Brigham Young University.
Kevin Rollins, Dell - from Brigham Young University.
Coincidence? I think not!
Now - where did I put that tinfoil hat?
the advertising business keeps shrinking. they want to stay alive, so they push the art of selling even further than it should ever go.
1. Carly Got Paid. She wanted to make a few million and shore up her shaky position with the board. She got both wishes.
2. COMPAQ PAY CURVES
Compaq paid their people less, gave them fewer benefits, and shorter vacation. By applying Compaq Pay Curves, most of the people at HP suddenly found themselves at the top of their pay curve. They won't get a raise for decades. On top of that, if you were getting 5 weeks vacation because you had slaved for HP for 15 years, you now only get 4, thanks to the adoption ofthe Compaq HR regs. There was a whole raft of HR changes in HP that saved the company hundreds of millions of dollars on an ongoing basis. So not only did it chop X jillion bucks off their expenses this year, they wouldn't see it coming back the next.
Those left stateside who are not in management and not outsourced, are doing the work of three or four people.
This is NOT a sustainable situation and it is going to come crashing down in fairly short order.
Carly's HP is a disaster. She led Lucent gliding into a death spiral, and she's going to sink HP. And weep all the way to the bank. Plutocratic leeches like her must be stopped.
RS
Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
Dear lameness filter: I AM shouting, goddam it!
The first two were Compaqs, and they are trash.
See, these computers had the cheapest possible parts in them. I had bought a 700 mhz PC right around the time that 1ghz was looking a-fucking-mazing.
Years later, after I learned how to build the damn things, I picked apart the old machine for scrap - not only was the chip locked in some sort of megavault/heatsink to avoid swapping; but they actually screwed me out of 10 gb of space - I had ordered 40 gb, they gave me 30.
My biggest complaint, however, is that the tech support people were the rudest, most arrogant assholes this side of Slashdot.(joke :D)
True story - my PC had been infected - again, before I learned about "reformatting" and "firewalls" - and I called up support. After 20 minutes on hold, I was informed my support contract was up. So, needing to fix this problem, out came another big sum of money from the folks' Visa.
After payment was made, and I was returned to a support guy, I was asked for the version of windows. I told him XP.
Well, since the PC came with 98, he informed me that he was not authorized to help me with my problem.
That's when I was done with Compaq forever.
However, their all in one units were pretty reliable, and I couldn't be more than happy with my new HP a-i-o. It prints (FAST), scans, copies, does photos above par with what I can get at those bullshit Kodak consoles, faxes, and reads from memory stick.
So yeah, the printers are nice. But fuck if I'll ever buy one of their desktops again - I find it amazing that some people pay close to 2000 bucks for a PC without getting a top of the line GPU. Sad.
I think Xerox makes the best color laser printers. I know those are still too expensive for most of us, but the college where I work probably has purchased at least 100 HP B&W laser printers, but we have purchased only Xerox color laser printers. Why? SPEED!!! For $2000 (at the time) we could get an HP that did 6 pages a minute of a Xerox that did 16. Do the math, and guess what we went with. I must say the HP were a little bit more difficult to jam (I only notice it on the Xerox when we print 500+ pages at once), but that slight edge in reliability is not worth the decrease in speed.
He said "The bulk of our employees are still in the U.S. "
That is a LIE.
ROUND ROCK, Texas (AP) - Computer maker Dell Inc. has more workers overseas than it does in the United States, reversing the makeup of its work force of just a year ago. Round Rock-based Dell said it was allocating resources where growth has been fastest, including China and Japan.
"We have great opportunities outside the U.S., and as such we have built our employee base in areas that best reflect our strong growth areas," Dell spokesman Bob Kaufman said Tuesday. "Our jobs have grown all over the world, including here in the U.S."
Dell had 46,000 employees as of Jan. 30. About 22,200 of those, or 48.3 percent, were in the United States, while 23,800 people, or 51.7 percent, worked in other countries, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Monday.
A year ago, 54.2 percent of Dell's workers were in the United States, according to company filings. Dell's work force grew 17.6 percent during 2003.
Dell said overseas job growth in the past year ran the gamut, from sales and manufacturing to call center support.
Last year, Dell stopped routing corporate customers to a technical support call center in Bangalore, India after a flood of complaints. Tech support for Optiplex desktop and Latitude notebook computers are being handled from call centers in Texas, Idaho and Tennessee instead.
Shares of Dell were down 23 cents to $35.56 in afternoon trading on the Nasdaq Stock Market.
FROM: Associated Press ^ | Apr 13, 2004
Off topic, but I had to say it: HP's printers aren't that great. Always an Epson for me.
are you aware that 'otaku' in japanese basically means an unwashed pervert who is literally obsessed with anime (not in a good 'fan' way, but in a creepy 'out-of-touch-with-reality' way)?
Unless you're a furry, you may want to consider wether or not you want to use such a term to describe yourself.
Bring 'em Young University?
A Corporation has the resources and whatnot to do
all that complicated accounting; a person
shouldn't have to.
It's much more efficient for a single corporation
to have to track all this than each and every
individual.
Is now part of UPS Supply Chain Solutions. It really has little to do with IBM (many other computer companies use them). If you don't get this type of service, complain.
Are the people in 3rd world being exploited? I would say no in that any work that brings food to the table is better than not having work at all. In the next few generations, those in 3rd world status will quickly become educated with experience and industry confidence to demand two bowls of rice instead of just one.
Do your history and check out Korea, Japan, Indea, and China. They are growing like mad thanks to the investment provided by technology and cash flow from the western world.
Life is not for the lazy.
All the non-HP companies have to do is to actually create a standard for the printing cartridges. A standard which allows backward compatibility. One which gets used by everyone (though HP will no doubt balk at first).
All of a sudden, the cost on cartridges drops significantly. And people will be more inclined to buy printers which adhere to the standard.
I can think of no better way to hit HP at its weakest spot; and provide a lot of value to customers too. HP had better hope that its competitors don't try to pull this off. But being at the mercy of your competition is usually not spmething which is desireable.
It used to be all my PC using friends recommended Dell. No one does anymore. At the word Dell everyone thinks crap. They are overpriced and underpowered. My friend ordered his Dell and it took 3 seperate attempts to actually get the thing to his house. They lost the computer twice. When he finally got it the cmos battery died within a week and the DVD drive failed. He hasn't gotten it fixed because, unlike Apple, you can't simply send the machine back in. They must come to you (as far as I'm aware), and being a high school student, he isn't home when techs are on duty. Don't get me started on the crap know as the Dell servers we have at work. The RAID array cards on those enjoy failing, and the repair techs don't actually work for Dell and have to do repairs for us we could very well do on our own.
ROFL
Put your bling back on and go scoring on the street again, kid. This place has nothing for you.
My experience using HP DL380's has been great - but mind you we role them over every three years when the warranty ends
He has been the CEO for all of a week and all ready he is opening his mouth about how HP sucks. Why not just make a good product and let people decide? We get enough mud slinging tactics in politics. It sure didn't take long to jump in the sand box and start being a mean kid. I sure hope this is not a sign of what is to come fome Dell now.
Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
You're not required to be a US company to be traded on a US Stock exchange.
Telekom Austria, Swisscom, Novartis, UBS and a lot more foreign companies are traded at NYSE.
You do of course have to follow SEC rules if you wish to be traded on an US exchange.
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mit taschenrechner in der hand
kraftwerk
I myself have corporate C, and guess what, it paid no taxes last year! How come? Because its a useless piece of paper with no income.
The interesting number is, what percentage of the aggregate corporate income is taxed, not the number of corporations that are taxed. Most corporations are teeny non-revenue producing shells.
The method and conclusion used here is deceptive.
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I am a tech, forced to work part time due to slow sales.
I'm in singapore I have a HP Netserver LH3 (1998) still in operation today. I just bought a HP proliant ML350G3 because of the track record of that server and my experience with HP support (next day, 24 hours) which has been very good. I still possess some dell machines (about 4 dell dimension desktops and 1 dell poweredge 1500SC) the dell server hasn't given me any trouble yet. however, my personal experience with dell aspire = crap motherboard almost next to impossible to upgradeetc. and the dell dimension = only 2 dimm slots!!!, and crashes win98 if you put in a cdrw for some of them. (even after a clean install) needless to say, the rest of my new corporate desktops are hp d330 uT's.. I like them so far. however, my home printer is a canon (cos hp's are JUST TO BIG), and my main office printer is the freakingly expensive canon imagerunner c3200 (roughly USD 35k) but i still have plenty of HP laserjet 4 lying around being workhorses...(slow but working even after all these years)
Now if you divide total individuals' dollars by the total number of individuals; and divided the corporations' dollars by the total number of corporations, who do you think pays more?
Assuming your numbers are correct, tax contributions would be EQUAL if there was 1 corporation of every ~5 people in the US.
Of course corporations contribute less, there are fewer of them.
Sony ha
If that doesn't make you laugh nothing will. Yet another reason to avoid Dell, F'ing MS mouth-pieces.
Hmm... I wonder how much of Dell's revenue is made through U.S. government contracts in one way or another...
Yes, that is a weird kind of restriction. In the long run, the WTO may kill those US regulations.
Many governments all over the world are buying US equipment. If even only foreign governments decided to "buy domestic" for their IT needs, the US IT industry would collapse.
When he said "The bulk of our employees are still in the U.S.", what he may have been trying to say is "We still employ more people in the U.S. than any other single country." A plurality, not a majority.
Quite shaky ground, I know. But it means he may not have been flat out, intentionally lying... just being very sneaky and misleading.
"Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself." -Richard Feynman
Just extrapolate it realistically.
Right now, the main reason more people don't incorporate is because of the *perceived and also real difficulty* of it to most people. They just don't understand that they *can* incorporate. I have worked for a lot of what I would term "entry level" rich people. They understand the concept, so they did it. They are in a corporation or a string of them, precisely from the tax breaks and avoidance of liability issues. Their homes are owned by a corporation, their cars by the corporation, etc. They deduct goofy things joejob never gets to deduct, like having their lawns mowed and going out to lunch with some other entry level rrich friend. They understand the benefits of it, so they do it, wheras joejob doesn't, he thinks only that it's hard and only "those guys" can incorporate, so he just goes and "gets a job" some place never really stopping to think why he's working for a corporation or why he makes so much less than the obvious owners of the corporation.
Now, think what would happen if such a law was passed, eliminating all corporate taxes and simplifying the process of incorporating or actually following all the rules if they were dramatically simplified. The very next day after such a law came into effect, you would have one million more new corporations established, the day after ten million as word and understanding spread, and etc. Who wouldn't drop 50 or 100$ on incorporation paperwork to then pay no taxes? I think most folks could come up with enough friends and relatives to cover the basics that incorporation requires in the terms of officers. You might even see things like large unions that establish a corporation for every 5 people in the union and they go out on strike and demand individual contracts as corporate sub contractors instead of going back to work as a "normal" joejob employee. It would be easy enough to boilerplate the papers too, mass produce it. Who would want to stay stuck as just a joejob tax payer and be forced to pay income taxes and not be able to write off most everything when all they had to do was incorporate and then pay no taxes? Eventually most people would be a "corporation" that consisted of them a few relatives or friends as officers, and they would sit on each others paperwork boards of directors and whatnot. And the easier you make it, with the lure of no taxes, the more who would do it. Even today I am amazed more people don't incorporate this way. Anyway, with the 6 o clock news hitting of "no taxes at all if you are a corporation", it would spread like a wildfire. Everyone would want in on the "no tax" idea. Obviously government wouldn't like this, and would change it back to something else within a few months. The very large corporations that exist now who make buhzillions off of having employees working for cheap for them would insist on it, the backroom smoke would be thick and the politicians would be getting their marching orders.
The only reason now more people don't incorporate is because they-large existing corporations and their paid off politicans and government in general keep it confusing and involved and don't really push it to people on a mass level. The way it is setup now is precisely because it's the way very large corporations and government wants it. neither of those two partners wants to kill their very lucrative golden egg laying goose by letting the "masses" in on the scam. The complexity of it is *precisely* what most large corporations and governments want, because it is more profitable for them that way. It's a huge advantage to very very large corporations, as they have the resources they can devote to it to keep it simpler for the big wage takers inside those corps, ie, they can have dedicated legal paperwork drones to deal with the complexities. Joe smaller guys who try to establish corporations with just a few people have to dedicate a much higher percentage of their own pewsonal time and effort and financial resources in order to accomplish the same thing, hence,this is why in ou
It is probably a redundant reply but it can't be stressed enough. What changed is the death of one of the better CUP architectures. The death of the Alpha is one of those great mistakes in the history of computers.
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If I actually could spell I'd have spelled it right in the first place.
Read the book "Maverick" by Ricardo Sembler. Reviews of managers by their underlings is something they implemented many, many years ago.
The Internet's nature is peer to peer - 20050301_cs_profs.pdf
"I don't see the attraction ..." - Yes you do, otherwise you would not be wailing about punctuation abuse. ;-)
...is not the only tax and individual pays into the coffers. Sales tax and car licence fees are 2 more.
So while the Corporation's income tax is the maximum it can possibly be, the 987,209 million from individuals is just the base minimum; in practice, it's at least 10% higher (my estimate).
I've seen her at a couple gartner symposiums and she's done "interiews", and a couple of things are clear about her:
1) She's clearly a person who does not brook dissent from within the ranks.
2) She has no patience for people
3) She still is not able to articulate why buying compaq is/was a good idea. She couldn't do it a couple years ago, she still cannot.
4) When you see her up against her counterparts at MS, Sun, Apple, etc. she appears to be their junior in terms of her ability to think on her feet.
I'd say she slept her way to the top, except she's not that good looking.
They bought Tektronix's color laser printer. Tektronix was way ahead of the game with their laser and wax printers, and I think it was cheaper for Xerox to buy them then develop their own line of printers.
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
You have no math. The math is from the GAO. 7.4% of the IRS take is from corporations, while humans make up the difference. Your delusion is based on what informed people call "anecdotal evidence", or "selective statistics". Don't ignore the other facts that don't fit your proposition. Take it from someone with a profitable corporation that pays taxes, not someone with a worthless one that represents nothing but a theoretical construct.
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... DEC Techs did something the other big boys never did. Every single time I had a faulty part and called in a tech who hauled ass to get there they brought at least two and sometimes three of the broken part. They were taking no chances that the replacement wouldn't work either. But the best was we had a CPU go out once, so they brought that card but because on that particular model of alpha sometimes a "BAD CPU" test could possibly mean bad rom, ram or video they went ahead and brought all of them in their little repair box too.
Contrast this with Sun who for around that same price would get you the part within four hours, but only that one part and if it is bad... you have a brand new four hour window to wait.
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"Epson" is the japanese word for "Paper Jam".
It's called 'ellipsis', the intentional omission of an assumed word. Levi is such a well known brand, that you assume it to mean Levi's jeans.
my most recent canon is the photo R300. seperate ink-wells that are $9.00 each prints as good as all the others and prints directly onto CD's which kicks the arse out of everything that DELL might sell.
I did a serch with Google for the Canon Photo R300. It doesn't exist.
only one choice...
Canon.
Um maybe Epson? Maybe Cannon unless you want to print directly onto a CD?
I did a Google search for the R300 inks. They are closer to $19 each than $9 each.
Please tell me more about the Canon R300 that uses $9 ink. I'm having a little trouble finding it.
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certianly, my local Best Buy has the Tanks for $9.00 each.
the High capacity Tanks are $19.00 apiece and those have 3X the ink as the regular tanks.
I dont have the R300 as lumpy does, but I have the R100 which is the exact same printer less the stand-alone CF reader+print engine + thumbdrive trasnfer software/hardware.
Cheap to print with as far as a inkjet goes... and Epson is ok, but they have some print driver issues...
I dont have the R300 as lumpy does, but I have the R100 which is the exact same printer less the stand-alone CF reader+print engine + thumbdrive trasnfer software/hardware.
Cheap to print with as far as a inkjet goes... and Epson is ok, but they have some print driver issues...
I suspected it was an Epson, not a Canon printer.
Best Buy has the Tanks for $9.00 each.
the High capacity Tanks are $19.00 apiece and those have 3X the ink as the regular tanks.
Thanks. My initial search turned up the full carts, not the 1/3 full ones. I guess they are doing the same thing HP is doing with the 78 cartridge in offering it in 2 capacities.
Now I need to research if they are refillable, page yield, etc to find the TCO.
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I'm not trolling. I really, truly, honestly get my knickers in a twist over punctuation abuse.
If I was a troll, I wouldn't have Excellent karma, and regularly (at least once out of every 3 or 4 posts) get a "5, Insightful", "5, Informative", "5, Interesting" or "5, Funny".
And I'd post anonymously, like you. And probably use a lot of inappropriate racial slurs like "nigger" for no reason at all. And post links to goatse. Or Tubgirl. Or talk about "GNAA". That's the sort of shit trolls do. I'm not a troll. I'm just slightly nuts and obsessed with the proper(ish) use of language.
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Any money paid by a corporation to a government comes from individuals. There is nothing gained by an individual should a corporation pay more in taxes. The only winner in this game is the government which uses the corporation to hide behind while once again taking money from the individual.
All these people clamoring for higher corporate taxes have their heads up their asses. Most of this fed by the idiot media who need both an oppressor and a victim in order to have a story. Nothing looks better than making a faceless corporation as the oppressor, after all its not like you can hurt its feelings.
In the end its all the same, the government benefits and the ignorant keep on complaining its not fair that so-and-so corp didn't pay enough taxes.
Face it, regardless of the fact you may not do business with one particular business you pay their taxes with every purchase you make.
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It was very exciting, it was about three years ago and he was my brother's roommate for a summer in Boston. They were renting a room for the summer at my college fraternity house, and he was the only unfriendly Canadian that I've ever met.
My Canadian stereotype, similar to Americans, but a little nicers and a little slower... (note: probably not an intelligence difference, just a less intense and more laid back atmosphere than the parts of America that were close to the Canadian border near them).
When I met the rude, obnoxious, self-absorbed Canadian, I was FLOORED.
But yeah, unfriendly Canadians are a rarity... everyone seems to know ONE, but NOBODY seems to know TWO.
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The whole system is f$^ked, plain and simple.
The real problem is that corporations are getting tax breaks for sending jobs overseas.
Also, corporations need to be flat taxed. The fact that corporations like Microsoft make 2-3 Billion a quarter and pay like 100 million in taxes is retarded. I pay ~30 percent of my income in taxes, why can't the corporations do the same, pass through or not, it's a cash wherehouse that needs to pay for its income.
I also feel that corporation that displace US workers should not be allowed to PATENT anything in the US, period. You do any business outside the US (aside from sell your products), no PATENTS!!!!
I would guarrantee that they be back in seconds if that legislation was passed.
Remember that DEC (DIGITAL) was acquired by Compaq some time ago.
As for NonStop, it is was the operating system that Tandem ran on for its highly fault tolerant systems, with hardware redundancy and software fault tolerance.
They run other high availability stuff as well, like ATM networks, Point of Sale, ...etc.
Tandem was acquired by Compaq before they merged with DEC.
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Any why should a corporation pay any taxes.
No less a capitalist than Warren Buffett is appalled at the low tax burden placed on profitable corporations. His company paid fully 3% of all corporate taxes, which is amazing. There is nothing fictitious about the power and influence corporations exert on the law and in society, or the benefits they recieve in terms of access to capital, security, and infrastructure they receive within these sacred shores. They should be taxed accordingly.an ill wind that blows no good
What do you mean by "corruption": bribery or cooking the books? Or both?
All inkjet printers suck. Unless you are paying for wide carriage or some other business class printer, inkjets are a commodity item. They come with a 3 month warranty because people who actually use them will break them regularly. Laser printers are better. I know of someone who finally gave up on his HP Classic only when the rollers cracked from sheer age (and wanted to replace the rollers but couldn't find them). Modern ones are a bit more fragile but still repairable (who'd repair a $50 inkjet; it's cheaper to just replace it).
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