That's funny, I hang out with a number of atheists. That's when I'm not running with my Wiccan friend who teaches gun classes or my Pagan friend who's into Yoga. Of course we're all freaks but you say that as if it's a -bad- thing and certainly none of us are "ostracized". -Boyd (the token christian) PS I'm also a white French speaker, haven't been tarred and feathered yet...
Now that's just silly. China doesn't kill all their female newborns any more. Now they are raised in massive state orphanages so they can be sold off to US families for hard currency. (The sarcasm here is intended for China.gov, not the US adopters who take these babies, sometimes with open leg sores from rocking back and forth in their wooden cribs, to a better life.)
Silly me, I was happy and surprised to see a review of a -history- book in my favorite technical forum, only to find out that it's a thinly veiled screed.
"Dick Chaney" indeed. Ursy compares the Peloponnesian War and Greek "total war" (whatever they think that means) to "our current American military dominance of the planet". Tell that to the Greek subjects of that famous war. Think there was a lot of public concern about prisoner treatment in ancient Greek "total warfare"? Remember, one of the complaints now is the money that corporations are making on rebuilding Iraq.... -Rebuilding- being the operative word. Not "salting the field of" not stealing their women and killing all their children. I'm all for political commentary and would have enjoyed seeing a review of a history book on slashdot but lets not masquerade political comentary as literary review.
They may think they're doing it for profit but long term this kind of behvaviour ends badly. Sounds like JBoss is getting is a fine example; if they were really as profitable as their online spin claims, then they would be spending their time coding instead of spinning. They're doing it because they're unethical.
Yes I do (pay attention to the signs) thanks for asking. I can't believe how widely this stuff is put forth as news... when I was 10 I understood that fuel vapor was combustible, it was interesting back then. I am older then that now. I understand that gas vapor is -supposed- to combust. That makes my car go, it turns on the lights and OF -course- it's potentially dangerous. This is just more cult of safety(tm) drivel designed to look dramatic and sell newspapers. Why slashdot is buying I don't know...
Actually, a pole -reversal- would hardly obsolete compasses. Now what upper atmosphere changes would do to the delicate sensibilities of the many intertwined GPS sats is... beyond the scope of this post.
So, because of the phrasing of the question does everybody who replies identify themselves as "tin foil hat crowd"? So be it ; ) Sorry, but hangin' batteries and infrared windows on trees is litter from my perspective. And lots of people clean up when they're on the trail. More importantly I think hiker/climbers agree that SAR folk are fantastic, they do an incredibly important job, often for no pay and more often for ingrates. But... some people do go to some places for serenity and privacy, everyone capable of that is certainly capable of understanding the risks involved and a certain number of those people -will- die every year. As a frequent hiker/climber I am (and my heirs and assigns are) okay with my decisions revolving around that risk. I think that may conflict with the understandable desire of SAR personal to perfect their, jobs but in that circumstance the rule to remember is that I'm in charge of me. If I fail to manage my risks correctly my opportunity to assume risk will end and that's exactly how it should be IMHO.
This is a very new legal concept in the US. In English law the King could sue your cart if it ran down the hill and caused damage. Before drug laws were changed in the US the proximite cause would have been the person who improperly chocked the wheels on the cart. It seems so obvious to me where the fault and causation lies here, so obvious that blaming a cart for following gravity is insane and clearly just an excuse for the King to add to his cart/ Cash collection. But... lots of people here seem to think that file systems (guns, bleach, kerosene etc) can cause crime. It is Orwellian. BK425
So there are several techs here who don't follow their employers policies? Or is it that the employers have policies that they don't want followed? There's a lot of whining going on here about "users" what about the whiners? -My- laptop had warranty seals. I -owned- those seals and when I broke them I knew that I would not commit fraud (and didn't). Everybody makes their own decisions, let them. BK425
Wow, what an amazing string of messages. This is the news for nerds site right? I would assume that people here have some historical sense about how the whole "user group" thing started, it wasn't about swapping elite warez... it was about -building- and -changing- computer hardware. Allen and Wozniak weren't concerned about their 'warranty" when they were playing with altairs and s100 systems in the parents basements. Not that there isn't room for both attitudes, but so far this is all about "ooh, you could break it". Well fsck yeah you could break it! You might also learn... life is how you decide the tradeoffs.
As far as "shut down"... whuh? We don't live in soviet russia (for those that missed it, there isn't one anymore). You -can- put any non obscene non copyrighted material you want on your web page. You -own- your website just like you own that laptop (presumably) why would you even ask if you're allowed to open it? bk425
You've summed up what I said accurately, I think we just disagree. Art school grads rely on their computers to do art school things, if the computers don't then they're not going to keep quite about it. And, because online forums are so available and (as we both said) easy to access I think it would appear there right away. Certainly when I was taking journalism classes at a community college a couple decades ago there was a -thriving- forum on compuserve where Adobe pagemaker 2.0 and Quark Express 3.0 users like myself met to trade notes... not much to do with computer savvy really just a need to compare information with people using similar tools for similar goals. -Boyd (now expecting to take heat for studying communications...) PS Quark is still better ; )
Well, I'm not an art school grad but I was originally a mac person (publishing);-) and the same month I got my first mac (SE30 with 105mb HD) I got my compuserve connection. My point was that online communication would be used to voice complaints about this if it actually were a problem and... you kinda reinforced the point with the thing about "double-click the cute little icon...". It's easy, even an art school grad can do it.
mod'd funny... 'kay. But those art schools do actually have internet connections. And, actually, Mac users to have internet fora into wich they can gripe including mainstream medai connected forums. If this were happening it's reasonable to assume those forums and media would be abuzz about it. Perhaps this is just more M$ FUD. BK425
Okay okay I know I shouldnt have done the first reply, feeding the trolls and all... but but but that last line really gets me... "and hiding the key"?
What?? would you use encryption and NOT 'Hide the key"?! I should maybe post my secring.bak on alt.goatcx? There are some ACs out there would could afford themselves a little reading time at http://www.philzimmermann.com
Yes, I assumed/.rs would be encrypting the sort of thing that would come to the attention of an estate. And, no, at least in Washington, US ISPs aren't responsible for forwarding data in any legally significant way (as banks are for boxes). And, again, if they did you'd still hit encryption if the data was important IMO. Several posters trivialized this with jokes about p0rn collections but personally I couldn't care less who surfs whose p0rn. My insurance records, account numbers, system logins et al. are all beneficiaries of Phil Zimmermans brilliance and IMHO yours should be too. IANAL Boydk425
Thank you for a reply relevent to what I wrote. In the case of papers most people use safe deposit boxes. That's the very best example of the contrast between paper and digital, your death certificate will get you somewhere with a bank deposit box. They have to give it to S.Heir/executor, sure there may be a day or two wait, but it's a legal guarantee. There is no legal guarantee of delivery with encrypted files.
For others replying here, why would you just assume that other people are so stupid that they don't know about boot disks? I mean, I know we're supposed to be arrogant because we're technical but isn't there -some- sort of limit to that? Most people (that I know) with estates who store private data on their FS' use encryption. Actually, not using encryption -would- be stupid IMHO and I assumed folks in a technical forum would be encrypting.
"our digital files will be treated the same way as your paper files after you die"
No, they won't be. I have a cousin who's been doing estate law for ~40 years and I've helped him on some extremely difficult cases where clients did not leave their passwords. You're personal affects and papers are accessible, unless you take positive steps you're digital affects probably won't be. A lot of folks may not want next of kin going through their hard drives, but there probably is stuff on there that an heir or executor will -need-. Give secure storage of these things and continuity of access real thought please.
Um, take off that fin foil hat:) Icos is the massively succesful biotech who invented "weekend viagra" (celdenafil). Not to burst other peoples bubbles too.. Also if he held the stock across the time that celdenafil got approval a $1M fine would probly be insignificant.
I agree with the comment in the context of product design. But the original statement wasn't a question of product design but of responsibility. Yes, product design leads to failures but it doesn't cause them. Someone cutting off an arm with the unprotected blade of a circular saw (I've no idea what a "buzz saw" is and I've done construction) has not cut off their arm because the saw was badly designed, they cut it off because they applied a blade to their arm. Yes, product design could have helped them but that does not absolve the user of the responsibility for having been the -cause-. There are two contexts at play here: HCI design and "responsibility" in the wider world. Bringing bizarre and irelevent metaphors about industrialization era labor exploitation into it notwithstanding. Oh, and yes. People -do- cut themselves with protected circular saw blades all of the time. That doesn't mean the designer of the blade protector caused those accidents, it means that both designers and users should exercise due care.
Yes, 14% of the worlds trade passes through it, because of energy costs! We're a long ways from being worried about weather going around any continent... it simply takes more energy to push ships through the additional water. Worldwide energy glut? Shipping becomes somewhat less of a problem. Boydk425
Excellent point, and if we back up a step and ask what the goal of e-voting is it's speed of counting (I think, nobody seems to talk about the wider goald of evoting). Wich is why Washington state has an awesome system. It starts with picking up a pen... You pick up a pen and a piece of paper and walk to a privacy table. Mark your ballot in human readable media and feed it to a scanner as you exit. Paper is kept, scanner keeps a log and the hard part, the -counting- speed is greatly increased. Washingtons been doing that for years now.
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That's funny, I hang out with a number of atheists. That's when I'm not running with my Wiccan friend who teaches gun classes or my Pagan friend who's into Yoga. Of course we're all freaks but you say that as if it's a -bad- thing and certainly none of us are "ostracized".
-Boyd (the token christian)
PS I'm also a white French speaker, haven't been tarred and feathered yet...
Now that's just silly. China doesn't kill all their female newborns any more. Now they are raised in massive state orphanages so they can be sold off to US families for hard currency.
(The sarcasm here is intended for China.gov, not the US adopters who take these babies, sometimes with open leg sores from rocking back and forth in their wooden cribs, to a better life.)
But when would you know when to take the real facade off your house? (huh? h u h ??) ; )
Silly me, I was happy and surprised to see a review of a -history- book in my favorite technical forum, only to find out that it's a thinly veiled screed. ... -Rebuilding- being the operative word. Not "salting the field of" not stealing their women and killing all their children. I'm all for political commentary and would have enjoyed seeing a review of a history book on slashdot but lets not masquerade political comentary as literary review.
"Dick Chaney" indeed. Ursy compares the Peloponnesian War and Greek "total war" (whatever they think that means) to "our current American military dominance of the planet". Tell that to the Greek subjects of that famous war. Think there was a lot of public concern about prisoner treatment in ancient Greek "total warfare"? Remember, one of the complaints now is the money that corporations are making on rebuilding Iraq.
They may think they're doing it for profit but long term this kind of behvaviour ends badly. Sounds like JBoss is getting is a fine example; if they were really as profitable as their online spin claims, then they would be spending their time coding instead of spinning. They're doing it because they're unethical.
Yes I do (pay attention to the signs) thanks for asking. I can't believe how widely this stuff is put forth as news... when I was 10 I understood that fuel vapor was combustible, it was interesting back then. I am older then that now. I understand that gas vapor is -supposed- to combust. That makes my car go, it turns on the lights and OF -course- it's potentially dangerous. This is just more cult of safety(tm) drivel designed to look dramatic and sell newspapers. Why slashdot is buying I don't know...
Actually, a pole -reversal- would hardly obsolete compasses. Now what upper atmosphere changes would do to the delicate sensibilities of the many intertwined GPS sats is... beyond the scope of this post.
"Do that" here could refer to putting up the garbage or to taking it down all depending on POV.
So, because of the phrasing of the question does everybody who replies identify themselves as "tin foil hat crowd"? So be it ; )
Sorry, but hangin' batteries and infrared windows on trees is litter from my perspective. And lots of people clean up when they're on the trail.
More importantly I think hiker/climbers agree that SAR folk are fantastic, they do an incredibly important job, often for no pay and more often for ingrates. But... some people do go to some places for serenity and privacy, everyone capable of that is certainly capable of understanding the risks involved and a certain number of those people -will- die every year. As a frequent hiker/climber I am (and my heirs and assigns are) okay with my decisions revolving around that risk. I think that may conflict with the understandable desire of SAR personal to perfect their, jobs but in that circumstance the rule to remember is that I'm in charge of me.
If I fail to manage my risks correctly my opportunity to assume risk will end and that's exactly how it should be IMHO.
Since I stopped holding my breath my productivity is up far more then that... isn't it possible that other factors should be considered here?
This is a very new legal concept in the US. In English law the King could sue your cart if it ran down the hill and caused damage. Before drug laws were changed in the US the proximite cause would have been the person who improperly chocked the wheels on the cart.
It seems so obvious to me where the fault and causation lies here, so obvious that blaming a cart for following gravity is insane and clearly just an excuse for the King to add to his cart/ Cash collection. But... lots of people here seem to think that file systems (guns, bleach, kerosene etc) can cause crime. It is Orwellian. BK425
So there are several techs here who don't follow their employers policies? Or is it that the employers have policies that they don't want followed? There's a lot of whining going on here about "users" what about the whiners? -My- laptop had warranty seals. I -owned- those seals and when I broke them I knew that I would not commit fraud (and didn't). Everybody makes their own decisions, let them.
BK425
Wow, what an amazing string of messages. This is the news for nerds site right? I would assume that people here have some historical sense about how the whole "user group" thing started, it wasn't about swapping elite warez... it was about -building- and -changing- computer hardware. Allen and Wozniak weren't concerned about their 'warranty" when they were playing with altairs and s100 systems in the parents basements. Not that there isn't room for both attitudes, but so far this is all about "ooh, you could break it". Well fsck yeah you could break it! You might also learn... life is how you decide the tradeoffs.
As far as "shut down"... whuh? We don't live in soviet russia (for those that missed it, there isn't one anymore). You -can- put any non obscene non copyrighted material you want on your web page. You -own- your website just like you own that laptop (presumably) why would you even ask if you're allowed to open it? bk425
You've summed up what I said accurately, I think we just disagree. Art school grads rely on their computers to do art school things, if the computers don't then they're not going to keep quite about it. And, because online forums are so available and (as we both said) easy to access I think it would appear there right away. Certainly when I was taking journalism classes at a community college a couple decades ago there was a -thriving- forum on compuserve where Adobe pagemaker 2.0 and Quark Express 3.0 users like myself met to trade notes... not much to do with computer savvy really just a need to compare information with people using similar tools for similar goals. -Boyd (now expecting to take heat for studying communications...)
PS Quark is still better ; )
Well, I'm not an art school grad but I was originally a mac person (publishing) ;-) and the same month I got my first mac (SE30 with 105mb HD) I got my compuserve connection.
My point was that online communication would be used to voice complaints about this if it actually were a problem and... you kinda reinforced the point with the thing about "double-click the cute little icon...". It's easy, even an art school grad can do it.
mod'd funny... 'kay. But those art schools do actually have internet connections. And, actually, Mac users to have internet fora into wich they can gripe including mainstream medai connected forums. If this were happening it's reasonable to assume those forums and media would be abuzz about it. Perhaps this is just more M$ FUD. BK425
Okay okay I know I shouldnt have done the first reply, feeding the trolls and all... but but but that last line really gets me ... "and hiding the key"?
What?? would you use encryption and NOT 'Hide the key"?! I should maybe post my secring.bak on alt.goatcx? There are some ACs out there would could afford themselves a little reading time at
http://www.philzimmermann.com
Yes, I assumed /.rs would be encrypting the sort of thing that would come to the attention of an estate. And, no, at least in Washington, US ISPs aren't responsible for forwarding data in any legally significant way (as banks are for boxes). And, again, if they did you'd still hit encryption if the data was important IMO.
Several posters trivialized this with jokes about p0rn collections but personally I couldn't care less who surfs whose p0rn. My insurance records, account numbers, system logins et al. are all beneficiaries of Phil Zimmermans brilliance and IMHO yours should be too. IANAL Boydk425
Thank you for a reply relevent to what I wrote. In the case of papers most people use safe deposit boxes. That's the very best example of the contrast between paper and digital, your death certificate will get you somewhere with a bank deposit box. They have to give it to S.Heir/executor, sure there may be a day or two wait, but it's a legal guarantee. There is no legal guarantee of delivery with encrypted files.
For others replying here, why would you just assume that other people are so stupid that they don't know about boot disks? I mean, I know we're supposed to be arrogant because we're technical but isn't there -some- sort of limit to that? Most people (that I know) with estates who store private data on their FS' use encryption. Actually, not using encryption -would- be stupid IMHO and I assumed folks in a technical forum would be encrypting.
Wow, so out of idle curiosity was the "doesn't know shit" thing meant as a personal slam or are you just socially inept?
"our digital files will be treated the same way as your paper files after you die"
No, they won't be. I have a cousin who's been doing estate law for ~40 years and I've helped him on some extremely difficult cases where clients did not leave their passwords. You're personal affects and papers are accessible, unless you take positive steps you're digital affects probably won't be.
A lot of folks may not want next of kin going through their hard drives, but there probably is stuff on there that an heir or executor will -need-. Give secure storage of these things and continuity of access real thought please.
Um, take off that fin foil hat :) Icos is the massively succesful biotech who invented "weekend viagra" (celdenafil). Not to burst other peoples bubbles too.. Also if he held the stock across the time that celdenafil got approval a $1M fine would probly be insignificant.
I agree with the comment in the context of product design. But the original statement wasn't a question of product design but of responsibility.
Yes, product design leads to failures but it doesn't cause them. Someone cutting off an arm with the unprotected blade of a circular saw (I've no idea what a "buzz saw" is and I've done construction) has not cut off their arm because the saw was badly designed, they cut it off because they applied a blade to their arm. Yes, product design could have helped them but that does not absolve the user of the responsibility for having been the -cause-. There are two contexts at play here: HCI design and "responsibility" in the wider world. Bringing bizarre and irelevent metaphors about industrialization era labor exploitation into it notwithstanding. Oh, and yes. People -do- cut themselves with protected circular saw blades all of the time. That doesn't mean the designer of the blade protector caused those accidents, it means that both designers and users should exercise due care.
Yes, 14% of the worlds trade passes through it, because of energy costs!
We're a long ways from being worried about weather going around any continent... it simply takes more energy to push ships through the additional water. Worldwide energy glut? Shipping becomes somewhat less of a problem. Boydk425
Excellent point, and if we back up a step and ask what the goal of e-voting is it's speed of counting (I think, nobody seems to talk about the wider goald of evoting). Wich is why Washington state has an awesome system. It starts with picking up a pen...
You pick up a pen and a piece of paper and walk to a privacy table. Mark your ballot in human readable media and feed it to a scanner as you exit. Paper is kept, scanner keeps a log and the hard part, the -counting- speed is greatly increased. Washingtons been doing that for years now.