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Spamhaus Opening New Branch in China
Eggplant62 writes "ChinaTechNews.com is reporting that Steve Linford's Spamhaus.org will open operations with the help of Chinese government officials and ISP's in order to remove spammers operating servers on China's portion of the Internet. For years, China's unwitting ignorance of the spam issues they have with the rest of the world has been a major stumbling block in the fight to control spammers who operate from the netblocks of foreign nations. Seeing China take steps to help the world curb the scourge of junk email has me cheering all the way. Go Steve!"
I'm glad China realized just how much money they're going to save their economy which they have been viciously trying to kickstart lately.
Go China!
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Maybe now people can start removing country code blocks. It's kind of sad having to block off countries due to spam and it would be nice to be able to turn this off.
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Be who you are and say what you feel, because the people who mind don't matter, and the people who matter don't mind.
What's the penalty for spamming in China, getting runover by a tank?
atall? When a good percentage (can't find the stat when I need it, of course :) ) of the spam comes out of the United States, why the hell does Spamhaus look to the Chinese for help...We ought to start hunting down those the homegrown idiots like Scott Richter before we solicit help internationally....
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Great title.... makes Spamhaus sound like a fast food chain !
...unwitting ignorance of the spam issues they have with the rest of the world... Yeah right. They're well aware when people complain, when a victim does a whois and it contains no usefull data. Their responce? Call the preson who compains a harraser. They don't care about netiquete, just making money. If only I knew all the China, North Korea, and South Korea IP addresses, so I could block 'em all, I would.
Spamhaus.org in the US can assume that spammers will be assessed for fines; the punishments may be more serious in China, whose legal system is much less transparent than that of the United States (although the US is working on theirs).
I would be very careful to point spammers out to law enforcement; I would hate to have on my conscience that some guy with a family to feed is sitting in jail just for spamming because I cooperated with his government in prosecuting him.
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A country that has massacred dissenters and viciously oppressed their people while routinely practicing human rights violations? Uhhh, yeah, "Go China"...
Unwitting...ha ha...good one. Nothing happens in China, especially in the high tech sector, without the government knowing about it.
You want to know who isn't running Firefox 2.x? They spell it "definately" and "rediculous".
The ISPs are unresponsive to emails, some don't have abuse@ addresses and of course there's the language barrier. So, hopefully, a spamhaus setup in China will get the chinese ISPs to remove the spamvertised sites quickly.
The effectiveness of this idea, of course, remains to be seen. I can see the temptation of taking hard currency when you're happily ignoring complaints about the "Make big penis" web sites hosted in your IP space.
Now if only Russia would do something about the paypal, ebay and bank phishing spammers they host, then I might consider lifting some country blocks.
I would be very careful to point spammers out to law enforcement
Wow, that reads like hypocrisy given the rest of the post. What I meant was that I would be very hesitant to do so.
Being executed and the family being billed for the bullet will certainly prevent them from spamming again.
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now those spammers that he pisses off will be on the other side of the world and won't be able to smash his car up..
The reason girls and Windows users don't understand UNIX is because all the documentation is in Man files.
Things are looking up. Time for another tech boom.
China has multitude of sickening human rights abuses and a totalitarian government, but hey, nobody cares about female newborn children being murdered because obviously recieving a few spam e-mails about enlarging your penises is a far more heinous crime than brutal suppression and censorship. /. will be on hand to gladly report increased Linux use by the Chinese secret police in their torture holes.
I'm sure I'll see you all at the China Olympics in 2008, where
They'll simply disappear.
No seriously. If the Chinese government ever half understands how trashed its email reputation is, it will _never_ let these people touch a keyoard again. There are other careers, several of them, in the PRC.
But really the problem is international spammers exploiting unsecured relays, and I would suppose that with official cooperation Mr. Linford oughta be able to track those down pretty easily.
Whether the Chinese netspace can ever be redeemed is another matter. I for one know no one in China and see no reason to quit filtering anything from or relayed through there. Maybe in about five years, if we hear about the situation being "amazingly well cleaned up", perhaps.
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With local Chinese flair! Welcome to Spamhaus, vould you like der penis enlargement?
have at it
Actualy china has been trying to slow economic expansion. The current rate is believed to be unsustainable. It has been leading to "excesses".
There is official worry that the bubble may burst,
therefore they are attempting a "soft landing".
I don't think they're trying to prosecute spammers - which would be difficult anyway, since, IINM, most of them are in the US - they just relays in China.
Their mission is to close the relays so that they cannot be used by the (US or elsewhere) spammers.
You sound like a Mozilla User, Remove the Adblock feature, and do not forget to shutdown the pupup filter. You will get all the spam you'll ever need.
So, the lesson is, the Chinese government leadership has very good intentions. However, they don't follow through or don't have the power to overcome inertia, bureaucracy, and corruption.
If that's all there was to it, there would be no problem. Unfortunately, when you miss a critical e-mail because you accidently delete it, or it gets deleted as a false positive, then you start to realise the real cost of spam to the recipient typically costs them more than virus and worm damage combined.
Then consider that if you have children, Pornographics spammers expose them to the worst of hardcore porn with utter comtempt for their safety and wellbeing.
Finally, remember that Spammers are *all* Sociopaths, protected for the first time by the size of the community, allowing them to abuse anyone without any fear of retribution.
For what it's worth, I personally see spammers as a bigger and more present problem than hackers ever were.
GrpA
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Now if we can only get them to do something about that pesky human rights problem, we'll be all set. You know, disappearing people, executing them for things like speaking against the government, no free press...
It'll be especially handy, since then if they need anyone from outside China to work in the office, people might actually want to, instead of being terrified of getting arrested for uttering the wrong word or failing to bribe the wrong guy, or telling someone about what's really going on in the world...and getting locked away in some (literal) shithole for the rest of eternity, with a little T&E(torture and execution) thrown in for fun.
Seriously, people- you go to China, there are lots of ways you can end up never being seen/heard from again. I wouldn't go there if you paid me to- I'd go to Iraq before I went to China.
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I think you are missing a few pieces here.
On an individual basis, who cares? It's just crap to delete.
Now, say you have an organization of a 1000, 90% of whom are your average users ( you want my email address? SURE THING ). 900 users getting spam in their mailbox? Where you would have needed a small 300mhz, 64mb system, now you need a dual 1ghz 1gig system and an admin to keep a constant eye on it.
And I'm not even going into the bandwidth and the spyware/trojan aspect of it.
End result: The side effects are spam are immense, financially.
But this isn't just a white collar crime. Take, for example, the pr0n spam. How many of those chicks do you suppose are 'legal'? Or how about prescription drugs, made available online? Or how about scams that rip off stupid old people ( I won a lottery that I never entered in a country I've never even heard of much less been to, and all I have to do to claim my reward is send them obscene amounts of money? Sign. Me. Up. ) of their retirements?
Spam and those that spam should be strung up by their ball sacks ( or tits. Let it never be said that I haven't discriminated against every single sensitive group ) and stones should be sold, 5c per pound.
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
I would hate to have on my conscience that some guy with a family to feed is sitting in jail just for spamming...
That's a curious way to look at it. Most people's consciouses would probably bother them if they did not report a spammer to any entity that might have the power to stop them using any means available.
A single instance of the criminal act of spamming can affect a million people. The only other comparable criminal single act in terms of the sheer numbers of people affected would be if an individual detonated a nuclear device over a populated area or released a well-designed virus into the wild. These are the most severe of crimes by virtue of the total collective damage that a single instance of the act causes.
For years, USA's unwitting ignorance of the spam issues they have with the rest of the world has been a major stumbling block in the fight to control spammers who operate from countries where spamming for some reason is legal.
In red china, taxes will pay for the bullet so the widow doesn't have to.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
What about the secret courts, and all the other violations under the patriot act.
We in the USA do not have the corner on justice or human rights.
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Do please try to keep up with the issues surrounding spam and spammers.
They cause billions of dollars worth of damage every year. They are routinely violating numerous laws, yet they still operate freely.
The most recent development has been mass scale use of zombie networks for spamming and DDOS attacks against spam fighters.
It's also widely known that some of the viruses out there have been created solely to establish zombie networks for use by spammers.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers. The more painful, the better.
In Soviet Russia, I ruled you
However, the damage to each person who you send a spam to is 3 seconds and maybe a penny of bandwidth. The damage to each person from detonating a nuclear device: their life, home, all possessions, ...
1. The "get priorities straight" or "let's see China get some basic human rights" posts are more cliche and more often seen than hot grits and Natalie Portman (then again, I read at +1).
2. It's 2004 people, China is no longer the China of ten, even five years ago. China is one of the most rapidly developing nations and with each major technological push in the country, the people receive even more degrees of freedom. When I was in China just two years ago, I could talk to just about anyone about how they felt about the government. No discomfort, no "oh crap, is he secret police?" (I am Chinese, US Citizen, with Beijing Mandarin accent so it's hard to tell that I'm not from there)
Though Internet access is "spotty," e.g. no access to Google cache, etc. They have the Internet and most of it at that. Sure, things operate differently there and it's easier to find yourself in a jail cell. But there is no longer the mentality of "he critized the government, flog him."
Now, in the more interior/central parts of China, changes are slower than on the coast because of the slower pace of technological change there. But I can't emphasize this enough: China has made some serious progress from ten and even five years ago. Every year, China makes big strides. People have more freedom in their speech, press, and some places even have elections.
Also, since it's obvious that most people here aren't that knowledgeable about China (nor am I, but at least I know enough that it's not how everyone is describing it), another important thing to note is the changing of leadership. The old guard is slowly receding with China's new president (though obviously Jiang is still a big figure lurking in the shadows) and fresh blood in the Congress. New ideas and new leadership will only make the country better
Lastly, though we always hear about human rights violations every year, I feel (and this is just my opinion, no real facts here) that a lot of it is blown out of proportion. Not to say that it's okay, but that perhaps people should try to be less biased about it. I think that because people hear about these incidents in China, they automatically think, "Damn, that China, they'll never fix their human rights problems. They are always beating people and torturing them, etc." But now, put that in perspective of what happens in many other developed countries (US, Britain, etc.) Many people are unlawfully detained, or excessive force is used upon them, or they are mistakenly incarcerated. I think that if you took all the news stories about those types of events happening in the US, and said it happened in China, people would go nuts calling out for China to give their citizens "basic human rights."
In my book there is a huge difference between putting a advertising flyer through someones letter box vs attaching a flyer to a rock and smashing it through a Window. A proper advertising company will use the letter box. IMHO people like Steve Linford help ensure a balance.
when someone DDoS's me I just laugh at them for thinking im hurt by not being able to use the internet for a couple of hours and walk away from my computer
Your lucky to be able to do that. However many people rely on an Internet connection for business. For them walking away means no money is being generated and important customer customer communications are not being received. Like you most if not all of these decent people wish they could just walk away like you can but they are unable to do so.
Ever got an SMS to your phone from the restricted "emergency" account and been fumbling for 2 hours to find an internet cafe in a strange city to troubleshoot the unknown problem while it just appeared that the spammer launched a "dictionary attack" against your server? Sometimes it's "mark, delete" and 500 spams gone in matter of 10 seconds. Sometimes it's 2 hours of stress, fear, wasting a lot of money and nerves because of one spam.
Thanks to lovely spammers I can't leave my box for a month unattended. With 5 emails my mailbox would fill in half a year. With 100 spams daily this drops to weeks.
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WE can do something about the phishing sites, just need to set up a few machines to go through and put random and invalid data into the fields on the phisher sites, spam the spammers untill they cannot respond efficiently to actual successfully captured info. Have a long list of names and surnames, randomly combined to produce names, then mathematically produced CC#'s that are valid but with bogus billing info (imaginary streets and cities) which the CC companies will throw out but the spammers wouldn't know is bogus untill they tried to use it and it failed.
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
They have the Internet and most of it at that.
Can Chinese citizens visit pages about The Gong Show, or is it considered too close to the banned F***n Gong organization?
It'll just be moved to Taiwan.
I'm sure then China will try to use that as leverage as to why they should get Taiwan back.
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The guy who got sentenced to jail today for spamming had sent something like 800 million pieces of spam. If we figure that each of those took someone one second to delete, then he's effectively _stolen_ those 800 million seconds from those "recipients".
This amounts to:
8e8 / 86,400 seconds/day = 9259.25 days.
9259.25 days / 365.25 days/year = 25.35 Years
OK so maybe a minor spammer's life isn't _completely_ forfeit. The last time I did this (with numbers from another spammer) it worked out to 112 years.
_How_ much spam was Richter responsible for, again?
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Comcast the steady number one with around 5 times more spam than number 2 on the list of the spam recorded by SpamCop.
.cn domain event gets into the top-10 list:
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They simply don't handle spamming zombie computers efficiently.
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1 lacking dns 149112 2.411%
2 comcast.net 77528 1.254%
3 attbi.com 13561 0.219%
4 mindspring.com 8718 0.141%
5 charter.com 6043 0.098%
6 rr.com 5751 0.093%
7 revolution-media.com 3395 0.055%
8 zonnet.nl 3230 0.052%
9 ewetel.net 2911 0.047%
10 nameservices.net
Being European, I block everything from ComCast until they start dealing with the issue and not just talking about it (several
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I live in Australia. We're apparently a US ally (more like a lackey), but even the most conservative (therefore pro-US) newspapers here reported the Iraqi torture as just that. The Australian, the nationwise conservative newspapaer in a country of 18 million that's one of your biggest allies, used the word torture to describe naked prisoners being badly beaten or having chemical light fluid poured through their anuses.
Which is why I find it amusing that on Nightly Business Report (a US financial news and current program that's on just before our own news) you're using the words 'suspected mistreatment' to describe something that's documented and not denied by anyone (the only issue seems to be whether the Geneva convention was officially supposed to be ignored).
So yeah, look in your own backyard before judging China. Since Sep 11, you're like a wounded pitbull attacking everything and anyone without thought. What on Earth does Iraq have to do with terrorism anyway?
(And yes, Australia has a pretty poor HR record in a lot of ways too - but I'm not denying that)...
If these weren't already at -1, I'd mod 'em redundant, come on guys.
[Queue comments about China's human rights record from flag wavers]
I believe Amnesty International just gave the US a damning report on human rights abuses. Detention without charge or trial
It is hardly suprising that those in the US (land of the free etc) point the finger at China's human rights record, whilst ignoring human rights abuses in their own back yard (Guantanamo Bay, Iraqi prisoners, etc). I'd say our hypocracy (do as we say, but not as we do) and our naive view of the world ("good" vs "evil") has given us a lot of rope with which to hang ourselves.
Flag waving is not a sport
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I'm forced to use e-mail the same way I'm forced to answer the phone and conform to society. I need to make money. I do business over the Internet. I must sort e-mail and occasionally I delete a legitimate message by mistake.
I want my nine year old nephew to experience the same joy of world wide communication that I experienced ten years ago, when I first discovered the Internet, but he is unable. His e-mail address is flooded with pictures of people fucking horses.
There's enough ills in this world to keep us all busy. Not everyone can be working on cancer research and tracking rapists.
Spammers are just people looking to make money. Yes their tactics are slimey
You misspelled "criminal".
How is banning SPAM any different than banning VoIP (see earlier article).
Well, there is the whole "consent" issue.
How is it different from criticizing politicians?
Again, that "consent" issue. That is, spam is forcing unwanted advertising onto someone, who then has to pay to receive the unsolicited advertising. I don't see how that compares at all to VoIP or criticizing a politician.
Sounds like you're just ranting and whining because you don't actually have a real argument against outlawing the theft of service and trespass to chattel that is email spamming.
STOP MISUSING APOSTROPHES, YOU MORONS!!!
I block all mail from CN, HK. & KR becasue I get nothing but SPAM from them. I do mail for about 40 users and I block more than 5000 spam messages from CN each day. Until that number drops by at least a factor of 1000 I will leave my country block for CN online. Trojan proxies and CN now are my number 1 & 2 sources of spam.
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A dream is good. A plan is better.
This is most definately *NOT* funny, and only someone from a country that still supports the Death penalty for anything could find this funny.
I hate spam (And Theftware erm.. scamware... erm scumware.. erm.. gator too) with a passion, Threatening actual physical harm to spammers as opposed to 5-10 in the clink is just not on.
I dont know what Chinas record on this sort of things is (From a quick googling it seems pretty bad), but I doubt they wouldnt execute such people, probably just fine them (Its not after all political or serious crime related).
Its a shocking indightment of modern society that people are willing to joke about such things in trivial manner.
Hell, i'm, starting to sound like my grandad. Time to stop now.
Keep in mind it is USA spammers/scammers taking advantage and hacking/cracking other people's/countries computers.
The ROOT of the problem still exists, and that is USA spammers.
So if China makes some headway to reduce the number of trojaned computers, open relays, etc. thats good but the core spammers still need to be caught and dealt with.
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Note that some websites show "special" versions for people in different countries. So the CNN website you are viewing may not be the same CNN website a US citizen would view.
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I welcome any effort to reduce Spam anywhere. ... USA. That's 212 out of 243, or almost a whopping 90%
However, I just went through the hassle of analyzing what has been caught inmy spam trap today:
243 spam messages total
of which
4 (four!) apparently came from China.
7 came from Russia,
1 came from Germany
19 I haven't been able to work out yet
the rest comes from
Guys, the problem is with the good old US, at least for the spam I receive. The legislation there is not biting at all.
Anybody got a link regarding larger and long term spam statistics re country of origin?
But when the Chinese government "cracked down" on Google, that was bad.
So when it's for our convenience, it's OK?
Jonathan B.
Yes lets get rid of spam , chinese or otherwise !
Chris ,
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oh no; here comes the magic phrase: I know I'm going to get modded into oblivion, but...
Somehow whenever china gets mentioned- it's horrid stompings on the concept of human rights comes up. That's good, china has some very serious problems with human rights that need to be addressed, even today. However, I find a lot of this stomping to be 'blind stomping' people insult china's human rights violations, without understanding them; or trying to assault the root of the problem. Also statments like 'china shoulden't be doing this until they can get there human rights issues sorted out' come up a lot.
Maby this IS how there going to fix there human rights issues- by making forward strides to making a forward thinking comunity china will raise it's peoples standard of living, and slowly emerge as a global 'contender' in world politics and technology (there allready recognised as a power; but often a pool of cheap labour power, rather then a technological one), so long as china's people are (in the world view) nothing more then cheap labour, how will they ever be able to comprihend there own people as cheap 'disposable' labour; and that sort of thinking results in- you guessed it, human rights violations- if there lives are cheap; there is no incentive not to end them when they commit 'crimes' (the state identifies crimes, which may or may not align with morality or even sanity- see the DMCA for examples)
The next problem I have with people poo-pooing on china's human rights violations blissfully ignores human rights violations from other countries (torture of Iraqie prisoners, horrid treatment of 'illegal combattants' in guantolomo bay from the US for instance, in my own country, we were still 'indoctrinating native children into society' which is a polite way of saying kidnapping native americans and forcing them to attend schools far from home while there sexually assaulted by the priests and nuns until 1971)
My point is; none of our countries are 'perfect' when it comes to human rights- and I think that china should be given some slack- for all the ill they are doing, they seem to be improving by leaps and bounds- improvement still needs to be done, the human rights issues still need to be addressed; but simply saying 'china is a hole where humans have no rights and should be ignored' is wrong- china as a country is trying to better itself, it diserves recognition for that; great change either requires time, or revolution: I think everyone can agree revolution is not in the bests interests of anyone with regard to china.
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I live in Hong Kong. For every legitimate email I get from the US I get hundreds of spams. All in English, selling drugs, mortgages, software, porn, cable decoders etc. The US creates the spam, and routes it through whatever servers it can find. And you know who thw spammers are (ROKSO) and do nothing to even slow them down. But you block my emails becuae I live in the same country as the server the American spammers are using.
Even if it comes through Poland or China, it is american spam.
Yes, all spam I receive here (eu) is for american drugs, american health care, american sex sites, american housing, american education and american career.
I don't need any of this, really.
Anyway, those americans are clever. First they sent dozens of millions backdoored windows to China, then blame the chinese for spam.
There you are, staring at me again.
When I was in China, I didn't see the police beating people on every street corner
:P
The police were beating people on every second street corner
When you refer to hosted sites and country blocks, it sounds like you're blocking http traffic. Is this the case?
I would report him.
I'd watch his execution.
I'd celebrate when my inbox reads (16) and the Junk Mail *ONLY* reads (250) for one day.
One down - a few thousands to go.
// instant - "I for one welcome our new Decaff Coffee-Flavoured-Coffee Overlords"
While I do agree with the spirit of the parent/grandparent post, it's not like somebody said "OK. Do you want Spamhaus or human right?" and Spamhaus got picked instead.
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Spam is theft of services. VoIP is not theft of services. Duh. I'd rather have a Free internet
Freedom requires a justice system for punishing those who are found (after due process) to have violated the freedoms of others (e.g. by using their property without permission).
/. If the government wants us to respect the law, it should set a better example.
I'm in the US and been a serious news junky since the late 50's. I would 100% agree with you. I can't think of a single top commercial media outlet in broadcast that isn't heavily censored. And the deal is, for most people, they never fully realise it, because unless they actually go LOOK and seek out alternative news and foreign news, they will never see anything else.
And the censorship is quite slick, and subtle, sometimes they just completely ignore issues. Other times they do a "report" but leave out enough details to totally give an erroneous impression. Other times they outright lie. The completely dismal coverage of *true* 9-11 data is a prime example. By now if we had true uncensored news, we would have had a regime change internally, it's that bad here, IMO.
And it's because, at the tippy top, ALL the major outlets are run and controlled by the same elitists who run and control the government, the so called "elite" who use the media to affect politics and business, and always in their favor. "News" simply for "news" sake doesn't exist, near as I can tell. News as proganda and as advertising does though, heavily. And I'll include PBS as well, in most instances. And when it;'s mixed with a public school system that is over 1/2 sheer brainwashing, yep, you get a controlled, dumbed down population. It's designed that way, they spend whatever it takes to make sure it's run that way, so they get the results they want.
The nightly business report is heavily shilled towards wall street skimmers, to keep people locked into that mindset and congame. You won't see them ever actually mentioning that perhaps it's just not a good idea to buy a "stock" at all today, for example. I'd take that outlet with a grain of salt as well. Think of it as 30 minutes of Ronco style infotainment commercial and it makes more sense.
--that's a good one man, got a chuckle from it!
Your argument is wrong on so many counts, so I'll just pick on a few of them here.
- Company X makes widgets.
- Company X gets a lot of spam.
- Company X's employees and IT staff spend a lot of time dealing with the spam.
- Company X has to hire additional IT staff to combat the spam software.
- Company X is forced to raise the price on widgets to pay for the man-hours and additional staff that deals with spam.
- Sales of Company X's widgets decline due to the higher prices.
- Company X goes into the red, losing money.
- Company X lays off workers.
- Those workers, who, unlike the spammer, did nothing wrong, have families to feed, too.
Consumers are paying more for most consumer goods (especially Internet access) because almost all companies are dealing with spam problems. That means lower sales of luxury items, layoffs at stores, etc. Republicans are quick to claim that taxes drive down consumer and business spending, but what do they think that the "spam tax" is doing to the economy?Would you hesitate to turn a mugger in to the police because his family might go hungry? Would you not turn in some guy who robbed a liquor store because he is doing it to feed his family? Just because the U.S. government won't jail spammers doesn't mean that the spammers should not go to jail. If China jails them, then I will applaud China.
And why don't the US spammers relay through US servers, choosing HK ones instead? Sounds like your ISP's need to change their attitudes, as most of the US ones have.
The ISPs are unresponsive to emails, some don't have abuse@ addresses
How is that different from a lot of ISPs in the rest of the world?
Here in the UK, NTL still have an abuse@ address... shame they drop all the mail that goes to it into the bitbucket. They also have an abuse form on their website which they dutifully ignore - frankly they just don't give a damn.
We're having this problem at the Swansea University Computer Society, which has been well documented. (Not a spammer, but a virussed windows machine that's spamming the hell out of us).
http://blog.nexusuk.org
And why don't the US spammers relay through US servers, choosing HK ones instead? Sounds like your ISP's need to change their attitudes, as most of the US ones have.
:(
Wasn't there just a story about comcast being a huge originator/relayer of spam?
Yeah it sucks to have your server blocked because of the country you live in. Unfortunately blocking by country actually works and is an easy option. Blocking HK Cable, China, Korea and Comcast would reduce my spam load by heaps - unfortunately its not an option
Actually I am currently receiving spam from Singapore companies (I am in Singapore) which is being relayed via zombies in the USA - usually on comcast broadband! So it cuts both ways.
Now, when they will outsource the recipients to China as well?
I just see it:
"Enlarge your party membership"
"Hot XXX caucasian teens"
Lisp is the Tengwar of programming languages.
I've often wondered if the idiots working for Comcast really gave a poop about the amount of spam that comes through their network. Well, apparently, I wasn't the only one. Bastards:a st%27s%2BIn ternet%2Bzombies/2010-1034_3-5218178.html?
http://news.com.com/Attack%2Bof%2BComc
It doesn't do fake card numbers, but...
www.astrobastards.net/uc
By the same logic, any con-man with a family should stay out of jail? Fines, spammers can pay and will accept as a cost of business. Jail time is a punishment. They'll get to see lots of enlarged penises that they helped to create.
"Want in one hand and spit in the other and see which one fills up first." - My Dad
the spam blocks you!
was that he *paid* an ISP in china to relay his crap.
So now it's not just an "unwitting error" but "intentionally irritating".
"No problem. I have the capacity to do infinite work so long as you don't mind that my quality approaches zero."-Dilbert
Not to nit pick or anything, but the 800 million pieces of SPAM did not all reach human recipients.
...etc. as previous articles on /. has shown (analysis of CDs).
Many of the e-mail addresses are inactive, obsolete, aliases, role accounts,
I would say (from memory, I could be wrong) that only 20% of the addresses they use every end up showing up in a human's inbox.
Not that SPAM is less obnoxious, but the way you calculated it needs to factor in the real fraction that reaches humans.
2bits.com, Inc: Drupal, WordPress, and LAMP performance tuning.
Mad as hell about spam?
Can't take it anymore?
Do what I do now....
Take away the 'Spammer's Character Set'!
Who needs 'em?
$IPTABLES -A INPUT -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 25 --syn -j SMTPCHK
# Asian Pacific Network
$IPTABLES -A SMTPCHK -p tcp -s 61.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
$IPTABLES -A SMTPCHK -p tcp -s 202.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
$IPTABLES -A SMTPCHK -p tcp -s 203.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
$IPTABLES -A SMTPCHK -p tcp -s 210.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
$IPTABLES -A SMTPCHK -p tcp -s 211.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
$IPTABLES -A SMTPCHK -p tcp -s 218.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
$IPTABLES -A SMTPCHK -p tcp -s 219.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
$IPTABLES -A SMTPCHK -p tcp -s 220.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
$IPTABLES -A SMTPCHK -p tcp -s 221.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
$IPTABLES -A SMTPCHK -p tcp -s 222.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
Works for me! (among other netBLOCKS I use)
You can't be ignoring the crucial detail that there must be a reason they are spamming from China right? As with most things in life, the path of least resistance is often chosen. If China ISPs cared, they could reduce the attractiveness of their IP space to spammers. And it seems that that is now the case. Also, you realize you are talking to people who can't actually effect change right? While I wish there was currently a better solution than massive iptables scripts on my mailservers, there just isn't... The numbers don't lie, here is the count of spams blocked since May 23rd on my smallest mailserver:I will be VERY pleased when I don't have to segregate port traffic based on it's country of origin, but until I see some change, the blocks are staying in place. Luckily I log all dropped connections from those IP ranges to port 25, so I will know when it's safe to open the doors again.
... like you need another one. :)
... still and all, I'm glad that setting up a website with that goal in mind isn't a crime.
As I see it, our government has been hijacked by a gang of shortsighted evildoers. It was in Newsweek, fer chrissake -- Bush/Rumsfeld asked around for ways to invalidate the Geneva Convention. Colin Powell replied that reversing 50 years of policy in that regard, with the goal of legalizing torture on the people of any country we occupied, was both a stupid and dangerous policy. He was overruled.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4999734/site/newsweek/
We've been betrayed as a people, at the highest level of government, and I sincerely hope we kick their ass this November.
so his family can starve
i dont have an sympathy for an impotent person commiting crimes against others, just the same i dont have someone who managed to procreate.
you commit crimes and steal from others, you can get free food and housing ala prison.
I would be very careful to point conartists/prostitutes/drugdealers/mafioso out to law enforcement; I would hate to have on my conscience that some guy with a family to feed is sitting in jail just for conartists/prostitutes/drugdealers/mafioso because I cooperated with his government in prosecuting him.
so any crime committed to feed a family is okay.
well im off to the bank for a LARGE withdrawl.
Well if someone wants go to a sidewalk in new york and tell his political views to people walking buy he is free to do so. There is no consent. I think consent is a bogus line to draw.
"It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
His e-mail address is flooded with pictures of people fucking horses.
Let's be honest here. When was the last time you got an unsolicited picture of people fucking horses in your inbox. As for the hardcore porn arguement I think there is someting wrong with a society in which we hide from people how we reproduce or get pleasure.
"It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
Well if someone wants go to a sidewalk in new york and tell his political views to people walking buy he is free to do so.
Actually, there's a point at which it goes from "free speech" to "harassment". Moreover, if said someone enters private property and appropriates resources that they don't own to make their point, then they've trespassed and stolen.
The "consent" factor is an issue because spammers are foisting the cost of accepting unsolicited advertising onto computer equipment that they do not own without the consent of the owners.
STOP MISUSING APOSTROPHES, YOU MORONS!!!
Well most people that send email don't get consent first. If I was going to email my friend and had to call him first to make sure its ok that would be ridiculous. That you chose to have an email address is consent enough for anyone to send you email. I'm not saying I support spammerers I just would like people to use arguements that I can't easily shoot down.
"It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
Yay, so maybe now we can look forward to pulling out entire /16s+ from our filters.
Next stop for Steve Linford: Brazil.
Well most people that send email don't get consent first.
Not everyone asks to send business-related faxes. Nonetheless, junk faxes are illegal because they are a cost-shifted form of advertising.
STOP MISUSING APOSTROPHES, YOU MORONS!!!
You may also consider to implement a digital signature scheme for the mail-to-SMS mails, and not beep you for unsigned mails; if the customers can't sign the mails themselves, you may set them up a simple web form that lets them beep you.
There are more solutions. What you pick depends on the exact nature of your problem. :)
That's exactly my point. My mail is blocked because of the actions of people retaliating against other people I have no power to affect in the slightest. I'm collateral damage.
You can't be ignoring the crucial detail that there must be a reason they are spamming from China right?
But what does that have to do with me? It's my personal mail that is blocked. And again, most of the spam originates in the US. If you quarantined Boca Raton most of the world's spam would disappear. Ridiculous to contemplate; but you and people like you are fine with blocking a billion people because of the actions of a few dozen.
Nobody is forcing me to use electricity either. Your argument is that if we want to use email, we should have to let other people fill our email boxes with crap, and that we have to pay their advertising costs when they do so. Fuck that, and fuck you.
Spammers are just people looking to make money.
So are the rest of the conmen, thieves, and muggers in the world. What's your point?
How is banning SPAM any different than banning VoIP
Consent.
How is it different from criticizing politicians?
How is filling my email box with crap I don't want and won't read related to criticizing politicians? I criticize politicians every day. (I'm a republican from Texas - and I hate George Bush and everything he's done since being elected.) Did you catch that? I just criticized a politician, and I didn't have to send a million unwanted spams to do it.
I want to SPAM to go away.
Bull shit. If you did, you wouldn't be pretending that spammers are honest taxpayers who are just trying to earn a living, when you know damn well they are crooks and thieves.
Your idea of a "free internet" is that anyone can do anything they want, any way they want, to whoever they want, with no limits. But, just as in real life, your right to swing your fist ends just before it reaches the other guys nose. Spammers bloody millions of noses a day, and you want to protect their "freedom" to do that. Fuck that, and fuck you.