"We're going to see a lot more of this conversation happening than less. I would put it in a very blunt way: for many years we were suckers, and let them take what we developed and make tons of money on this."
Um... And you didn't see that coming?
What happened to "Software just wants to be FREEEEEE"?!?
This doesn't seem to pertain to ANYTHING but App Store Search Results. HARDLY "Targeted Advertising", as in browser Banner Ads, or those annoying "follow me" Ads. It is essentially something like "Google Ad Words", but for the iOS (and Mac?) App Stores ONLY.
Well, he said it right off there. Google search is the best and his customers are used to it. If Apple switched it over to DuckDuckGo it'd be a Apple Maps launch size of complaining and dissatisfaction.
Now the $3billion doesn't hurt of course. But DuckDuckGo isn't good enough for a switchover at this point. I use DuckDuckGo as my main search engine but need Google as a back up often enough. This is something that needs to be fixed - Apple probably needs to make DuckDuckGo or whatever better and then cast off Google and their billions, but at this point DuckDuckGo's results aren't good enough. JMHO....
Exactly.
And it is nothing more or less than Willful Blindness on the part of Apple-Hating Slashtards (and Editors!) to say anything different than the above.
Looking back on the articles listed it never mentions a company by name, just the practices they use. However, if you think apple doesn't collect your data you'd be wrong. They may not sell it to a 3rd party, but they allow targeted ads in some of their products, using things such as your likes and possible your demographics as well.
They never really cared about your privacy, they just want you to think they care about your privacy.
Sorry, no.
Their BRIEF toe-in-the-water with targeted advertising, iAds, was WILDLY UNPOPULAR with both Devs. and Users, and was DISCONTINUED in 2016, IIRC.
At present, there are NO "targeted ads" in Apple's Products, and no Ads for A DIFFERENT Publisher or Service in any Apps, either. I didn't say that, for example, "Freemium" iOS Apps don't have Ads for enhanced features, or even other Apps BY THE SAME PUBLISHER; but there are pretty strict rules about what is, and is not, allowed.
Apple added Duck Duck Go as one of the built-in search engines. I've been using it for over a year instead of Google. It works well enough and they don't set any tracking cookies. I'd recommend everyone switch to that.
Honestly. every other smartphone on the market uses Google too. Apple is just always held to some high standard that is impossible to meet.
The Apple CEO is speaking with a forked tongue. If Apple wanted to, they could easily become an anonymizer for the Google search engine. But the Apple CEO has decided to accept $9 billion from Google while sacrificing his customers' privacy. The worst treachery is to pass one's own sin on to the next person.
Apple could "easily" broker and anonymize ALL of the Google Search Traffic of EVERY macOS and iOS User?
>> Apple CEO Tim Cook explained the decision to use Google...has baffled some, considering Google's business model of making money off of users' data -- something Apple has spoken out against numerous times
Now $1B would change my views on many things too, but in this case, Cook was just being a smart businessman: lying to Apple customers (those gullible little marks) to get them to sign themselves and their friends up to his service, while at the same time telling Google that they would need to bring a truckload of money into a deal to get Apple to violate its lofty, lofty "principles". Well, the deal is done now that Google is bringing in the billions: in service to his shareholders, let's hope Cook gets a nice Christmas bonus.
Since you can easily change the default search engine on both macOS and iOS to any one of a number of other services, including the hallowed DuckDuckGo, this is truly a non-issue.
Slashdot ALWAYS favors systems that put the responsibility in the hands of the User. Apple has done that.
I don't see a problem here. It is absolutely consistent with the hive-mind of Slashdot.
Oh, just the people who think those things are good.
Got it.
If Apple hadn't killed-off Rosetta after one major OS rev, there arguably would STILL be no Intel-Native Mac version of [highly dubious and entirely speculative list redacted]
That's nonsense. Rosetta can still be run in a VM (and yes, I do run it in a VM, so I'm quite sure.) If those companies wanted to rest on their laurels, they certainly could. But they didn't, so your entire thesis here is nonsensical.
No, it isn't nonsensical.
Without DECENT (i.e., "fast") "CC" Application Support, Macs would have had a REALLY rough time of it, JUST when momentum for the platform was starting to build again.
You apparently slept through all the moaning about how hideous Office and Adobe applications were while running under Rosetta.
And anyone who still runs Rosetta in November, 2018, more than seven years after it was obsoleted in 2011, better have a VERY good reason; like a piece of CUSTOM code for which the source is long-gone, but which still is an essential part of some workflow. Anything else is pretty much just luddite bullshit at this point.
I didn't say he deserved to die in a fire. And only losers like you use 'tard' as an insult.
What? You mean like all the loser Slashtards that call anyone who posts ANYTHING in support of a particular product or computer platform a "fanboi" or a "shill".
Apple devices transmit encrypted data with an encryption key that you cannot access to decrypt the messages "your" device is sending to Apple and that is enough for all but the most brown-nosed, unthinking Apple shill to know that they are not to be trusted. Do you question why they don't give you that encryption key? No of course you don't because you're just an Apple sheep incapable of rational thought, Apple tells you what to think and say and then you parrot your corporate apologist bullshit here.
Exactly this!! Its annoying enough that apple tells these lies ( Thats understandable; they are a marketing company after all. Lies are apples stock and trade.) But to hear the zealot sheep regurgitate that bullshit is simply nauseating.
Says the ANONYMOUS COWARD, who is too pusillanimous to even LOG IN and risk their KARMA like a MAN!
Apple isn't about privacy, realistically speaking. It's about keeping data trapped in Apple's ecosystem -- privacy theft is OK as long as Apple is the one doing the stealing. Good thieves brook no competition.
Prove it.
How can one prove that a major device maker is not cooperating with law enforcement? Apple, Windows, Android and Linux would not be allowed to pass unless there was co-operation with the current government. In todays modern world, only a fool or a liar would believe otherwise.
Would not be allowed to "pass", WHAT, exactly?
I think you need to understand the difference between "Obey a lawful Order" and "Are Complicit With"
And I think you really need to upgrade to a heavier-gauge tinfoil. The one you are using isn't deflecting enough of the mind-control beams...
Their nudging everyone to use iClown vs local storage and/or local backup. Apple are as bad as Google, MS, or Amazon in their cloudpushing scumbaggery.
They might "push", but they don't (yet) REQUIRE. That's a BIG difference!
I, for one, don't use ANY iCloud services or storage; even though I am tempted to, if, for no other reason, effortless iPhone backup and bookmark/content sharing among my various Apple devices and computers.
But, I simply don't participate. So, "freedom to choose" is still intact.
Apple isn't about privacy, realistically speaking. It's about keeping data trapped in Apple's ecosystem -- privacy theft is OK as long as Apple is the one doing the stealing. Good thieves brook no competition.
At a certain point your posts are indistinguishable from paid shills. When you energetically take the side of ruthless capitalists, people are going to wonder why. Getting paid is the only reason why. If you're doing it for free you're a sucker, Apple pays good money for posts like yours.
Actually, maybe in your world, money is the only motivator.
However, in my world (which is the only world that matters to me), helping to educate and eliminate misconceptions regarding things I believe bring value to the world is important, too.
That isn't phrased exactly the way I would like; but I don't have much time to devote to wordcraft this morning, and this is all pre-coffee; so gimme a break, willya?...
So, don't want to mess around with the SSD on your T2 equipped (or other Intel) Mac. Simply stick that Linux Install on a fast EXTERNAL drive
Once T2 reaches MacBooks, good luck putting a sleeping MacBook booted to an external drive back in your bag without putting undue stress on the USB connector.
Since most of those "interesting" terms are essentially undefined, I'm going to consider them as reliable as salesmen's verbal assurances.
OTOH, since I'm not making the purchasing decision this year, I have time to wait for this to shake out. But if it's as the article suggests, and as the somewhat reliable reports suggest, Apple is off my list of acceptable vendors.
There are no "reliable reports" yet when it comes to the 2019 Mac Pro. All we have is the one "interview". But in that same interview, they also foreshadowed a more "Pro Focused" Mac mini, and we have seen exactly that. No other mini has had so many CPU options, such high RAM and SSD limits, or that much multifunction I/O bandwidth. Nor a 10gigE Ethernet option. That's about as "Pro" as a Mac mini has ever been.
So I offer that as at least some evidence that Apple should be taken at their word when it comes to the redesign of the Mac Pro. That, and Apple started out by admitting that they had "designed themselves into a bit of a thermal corner" with the 2012 Mac Pro.Here's that interview, BTW:
Slashdot Mirror
You could summarize this as "open-source companies are realizing that they don't actually want to open-source their work."
PRE-CISELY!
Hypocrites all.
From TFS:
"We're going to see a lot more of this conversation happening than less. I would put it in a very blunt way: for many years we were suckers, and let them take what we developed and make tons of money on this."
Um... And you didn't see that coming?
What happened to "Software just wants to be FREEEEEE"?!?
Fucking RMS-licking, beard-stroking, unwashed Hypocrites.
here is one example -
https://searchads.apple.com/ad...
SearchAds.
You can target ads by gender, age, location
This doesn't seem to pertain to ANYTHING but App Store Search Results. HARDLY "Targeted Advertising", as in browser Banner Ads, or those annoying "follow me" Ads. It is essentially something like "Google Ad Words", but for the iOS (and Mac?) App Stores ONLY.
BFD. Not impressed.
Try again...
Slashdot continues its downward slide.
Downward slide?
They are actively digging a hole that rivals anything The Boring Company has planned!
Well, he said it right off there. Google search is the best and his customers are used to it. If Apple switched it over to DuckDuckGo it'd be a Apple Maps launch size of complaining and dissatisfaction.
Now the $3billion doesn't hurt of course. But DuckDuckGo isn't good enough for a switchover at this point. I use DuckDuckGo as my main search engine but need Google as a back up often enough. This is something that needs to be fixed - Apple probably needs to make DuckDuckGo or whatever better and then cast off Google and their billions, but at this point DuckDuckGo's results aren't good enough. JMHO....
Exactly.
And it is nothing more or less than Willful Blindness on the part of Apple-Hating Slashtards (and Editors!) to say anything different than the above.
Looking back on the articles listed it never mentions a company by name, just the practices they use. However, if you think apple doesn't collect your data you'd be wrong. They may not sell it to a 3rd party, but they allow targeted ads in some of their products, using things such as your likes and possible your demographics as well.
They never really cared about your privacy, they just want you to think they care about your privacy.
Sorry, no.
Their BRIEF toe-in-the-water with targeted advertising, iAds, was WILDLY UNPOPULAR with both Devs. and Users, and was DISCONTINUED in 2016, IIRC.
At present, there are NO "targeted ads" in Apple's Products, and no Ads for A DIFFERENT Publisher or Service in any Apps, either. I didn't say that, for example, "Freemium" iOS Apps don't have Ads for enhanced features, or even other Apps BY THE SAME PUBLISHER; but there are pretty strict rules about what is, and is not, allowed.
Apple added Duck Duck Go as one of the built-in search engines. I've been using it for over a year instead of Google. It works well enough and they don't set any tracking cookies. I'd recommend everyone switch to that.
Honestly. every other smartphone on the market uses Google too. Apple is just always held to some high standard that is impossible to meet.
Exactly!
The Apple CEO is speaking with a forked tongue. If Apple wanted to, they could easily become an anonymizer for the Google search engine. But the Apple CEO has decided to accept $9 billion from Google while sacrificing his customers' privacy. The worst treachery is to pass one's own sin on to the next person.
Apple could "easily" broker and anonymize ALL of the Google Search Traffic of EVERY macOS and iOS User?
Riiiight...
>> Apple CEO Tim Cook explained the decision to use Google...has baffled some, considering Google's business model of making money off of users' data -- something Apple has spoken out against numerous times
Now $1B would change my views on many things too, but in this case, Cook was just being a smart businessman: lying to Apple customers (those gullible little marks) to get them to sign themselves and their friends up to his service, while at the same time telling Google that they would need to bring a truckload of money into a deal to get Apple to violate its lofty, lofty "principles". Well, the deal is done now that Google is bringing in the billions: in service to his shareholders, let's hope Cook gets a nice Christmas bonus.
Since you can easily change the default search engine on both macOS and iOS to any one of a number of other services, including the hallowed DuckDuckGo, this is truly a non-issue.
Slashdot ALWAYS favors systems that put the responsibility in the hands of the User. Apple has done that.
I don't see a problem here. It is absolutely consistent with the hive-mind of Slashdot.
Oh, just the people who think those things are good.
Got it.
That's nonsense. Rosetta can still be run in a VM (and yes, I do run it in a VM, so I'm quite sure.) If those companies wanted to rest on their laurels, they certainly could. But they didn't, so your entire thesis here is nonsensical.
No, it isn't nonsensical.
Without DECENT (i.e., "fast") "CC" Application Support, Macs would have had a REALLY rough time of it, JUST when momentum for the platform was starting to build again.
You apparently slept through all the moaning about how hideous Office and Adobe applications were while running under Rosetta.
And anyone who still runs Rosetta in November, 2018, more than seven years after it was obsoleted in 2011, better have a VERY good reason; like a piece of CUSTOM code for which the source is long-gone, but which still is an essential part of some workflow. Anything else is pretty much just luddite bullshit at this point.
Go molest your daughter some more your flamin douche bag.
I am simply blinded by your dazzling wit. ...and not only is it "you", not "your"; but it is also "flamin' ", not "flamin".
As I said...
I didn't say he deserved to die in a fire. And only losers like you use 'tard' as an insult.
What? You mean like all the loser Slashtards that call anyone who posts ANYTHING in support of a particular product or computer platform a "fanboi" or a "shill".
Yeah. "Slashtard" fits most perfectly.
hardly anybody has ever heard of this person. His biggest claim to fame is dying in the 2018 Cali Camp Fire.
A person that would point that out is who really deserves to die in a fire.
You disgusting Slashtards aren't even human.
Because he was terrified of Apple's success, Ballmer famously wouldn't allow his kids to own an iPod, forcing them to use the "uncool Zune" instead.
Zuckerberg is also ridiculous, immature, narcissistic and petty.
Tim Cook's comments were the truth; too bad Suckerberg thinks we're all too stupid to realize it.
Ha! "Right of Contract"! That sure got MS out of hot water! Intel, too!
You fucking clown. You have no clue about anything.
Hmmmm.
If you admit that the common-law "Right of Contract" was a successful legal defense, then I guess I DO have a clue, at least about SOMETHING...
But if you were being sarcastic, then I'd like to see a reference about why that defense failed for MS or Intel.
Apple devices transmit encrypted data with an encryption key that you cannot access to decrypt the messages "your" device is sending to Apple and that is enough for all but the most brown-nosed, unthinking Apple shill to know that they are not to be trusted. Do you question why they don't give you that encryption key? No of course you don't because you're just an Apple sheep incapable of rational thought, Apple tells you what to think and say and then you parrot your corporate apologist bullshit here.
As usual, where is the PROOF?
Seriously.
Put down the iphone.
Why? It's the only remaining WORKING device he has!
Exactly this!!
Its annoying enough that apple tells these lies ( Thats understandable; they are a marketing company after all. Lies are apples stock and trade.) But to hear the zealot sheep regurgitate that bullshit is simply nauseating.
Says the ANONYMOUS COWARD, who is too pusillanimous to even LOG IN and risk their KARMA like a MAN!
Apple isn't about privacy, realistically speaking. It's about keeping data trapped in Apple's ecosystem -- privacy theft is OK as long as Apple is the one doing the stealing. Good thieves brook no competition.
Prove it.
How can one prove that a major device maker is not cooperating with law enforcement? Apple, Windows, Android and Linux would not be allowed to pass unless there was co-operation with the current government. In todays modern world, only a fool or a liar would believe otherwise.
Would not be allowed to "pass", WHAT, exactly?
I think you need to understand the difference between "Obey a lawful Order" and "Are Complicit With"
And I think you really need to upgrade to a heavier-gauge tinfoil. The one you are using isn't deflecting enough of the mind-control beams...
Fool and liar. Perfectly describes the asshole faketimcook
Anonymous and COWARD. The name says it all...
Their nudging everyone to use iClown vs local storage and/or local backup. Apple are as bad as Google, MS, or Amazon in their cloudpushing scumbaggery.
They might "push", but they don't (yet) REQUIRE. That's a BIG difference!
I, for one, don't use ANY iCloud services or storage; even though I am tempted to, if, for no other reason, effortless iPhone backup and bookmark/content sharing among my various Apple devices and computers.
But, I simply don't participate. So, "freedom to choose" is still intact.
Apple isn't about privacy, realistically speaking. It's about keeping data trapped in Apple's ecosystem -- privacy theft is OK as long as Apple is the one doing the stealing. Good thieves brook no competition.
Prove it.
At a certain point your posts are indistinguishable from paid shills. When you energetically take the side of ruthless capitalists, people are going to wonder why. Getting paid is the only reason why. If you're doing it for free you're a sucker, Apple pays good money for posts like yours.
Actually, maybe in your world, money is the only motivator.
However, in my world (which is the only world that matters to me), helping to educate and eliminate misconceptions regarding things I believe bring value to the world is important, too.
That isn't phrased exactly the way I would like; but I don't have much time to devote to wordcraft this morning, and this is all pre-coffee; so gimme a break, willya?...
So, don't want to mess around with the SSD on your T2 equipped (or other Intel) Mac. Simply stick that Linux Install on a fast EXTERNAL drive
Once T2 reaches MacBooks, good luck putting a sleeping MacBook booted to an external drive back in your bag without putting undue stress on the USB connector.
Hmmm. There IS that...
Since most of those "interesting" terms are essentially undefined, I'm going to consider them as reliable as salesmen's verbal assurances.
OTOH, since I'm not making the purchasing decision this year, I have time to wait for this to shake out. But if it's as the article suggests, and as the somewhat reliable reports suggest, Apple is off my list of acceptable vendors.
There are no "reliable reports" yet when it comes to the 2019 Mac Pro. All we have is the one "interview". But in that same interview, they also foreshadowed a more "Pro Focused" Mac mini, and we have seen exactly that. No other mini has had so many CPU options, such high RAM and SSD limits, or that much multifunction I/O bandwidth. Nor a 10gigE Ethernet option. That's about as "Pro" as a Mac mini has ever been.
So I offer that as at least some evidence that Apple should be taken at their word when it comes to the redesign of the Mac Pro. That, and Apple started out by admitting that they had "designed themselves into a bit of a thermal corner" with the 2012 Mac Pro.Here's that interview, BTW:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/04...