Reading some of the/. comments on this story, I have to say that it's always interesting to see religious men trying too hard to associate Man with the divine as though we stand above and seperate from the natural world, but equally it's interesting to watch atheists try to find mankind wholly within nature as well. For as much as we want to call Man an animal (subject to an animal's exigencies and vicissitudes) we must admit that he is a curious sort of animal able to escape those forms of nature and create new configurations of need and choice.
I don't really have a point. I just find the whole matter of human will and spirit interesting.
...is what happens with al the people who actually need static content to particpate in this supposedly improved New Web Order.
Think about it from the perspective of a blind man. His screen reader presents the content to him. He makes a choice or otherwise interacts with it. AJAX jumps in and dynamically changes a bit in the middle of the page. Now...how does he know it was changed? Answer? He doesn't. He's excluded by default from this whole "Web 2.0" thing.
I'm not interested in bringing everyone's experience down to the lowest common denominator, but it's getting kinda bad for people who need 508 compliance just to be a part of this great new medium.
If it were some remote corner of the web, I'd keep my mouth shut, but as more sites move to AJAX content, they cease being 508 compliant. And this is a very recent phenomena. Until AJAX (for the most part), the web was essentially static. Changes to a page initiated a postback event and the screen reader was thus informed that a change had occured. Not so anymore.
This was sort brought to my attention recently as I am redoing a.com (they want it all ASP.NET 2.0-ified) for a fairly large corp and 508 compliance is a pretty big deal...and truthfully it should be. We talk about wheelchair ramps and other physical accomodations, and even computer accessibility, but AJAX is circumventing our current accessibility model.
We need to either drastically improve the screen reader technology or make ourselves more aware of the poeple we exclude with these "advances".
Disclaimer: Yes, I know that "Web 2.0" is not directly about AJAX but rather about collaboration, but AJAX is the preferred technology used to implement said collaboration.
Reading all the messages about how stupid the population is for not being interesting in intellectual pursuits, I'm downright disheartened.
Remember that 50% of the population is of below average intelligence. Of those 50%, the bulk of them cannot follow a serious intellectual discussion---AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
Different people. Different gifts. Why must you assume that your gifts (being in the upper 50% intellectually) are somehow superior to theirs? It's no different than the jocks who picked on you for not being athletic or the cool kids who picked on you for being less attractive. Why would you continue that cycle?
Oh.. and drunk driving penalties are already severe enough thank you (a year incarceration, license suspension, insurance rates higher than your mortgage for many years, etc etc).
This differs by state, so experiences will vary, but I know 4 people personally who have been busted for drunk driving. Not one of them spent a day in jail...not a day. One of them spent a few hours in jail, but that was becuase he cussed out the cops and they "slowed" his paperwork.
Each of them, friends though they may be, deserved jailtime and a FAR heftier fine than any of them got.
FYI, one of them got busted for it twice. Still no jailtime. Granted, all of them had license issues, but not major ones.
Truth is, I don't know many people who would fear a drunk driving 1st offense, and I don't blame them. The laws in states like mine (VA) are too lax. The most recent, by the way, was 2 months ago and his court date was 2 weeks ago, in case you thought the laws may have changed.:(
Based solely on this statistic, I can equally argue that inexperience is the cause of these accidents, and consequently your plan is going to do absolutely nothing.
Well, this was a/. rtant not a plan, though I appreciate the confidence.;-)
Actually, though, I advocate an extended learning period as I described in my original post. Give them more time on a restricted license to learn the rules and skills needed to be better drivers, but don't give a 17 yr old the freedom to take a care out alone after getting drunk behind the gym after a dance. Kids make stupid decisions (put differently, there is a provable/causal/ relationship between youth and poor impulse control). Don't let them make them behind a wheel.
...all the other reasons these careless drivers cause road problems. Seriously, Cell phones are a good start, but how about addressing the hypocrisy of SUVs. A vehicle with a Gross Weight of over 3 tons gets special tax incentive for work use, so they all get claimed, but vehicles over 3 tons also get regularly banned from certain roads for being over weight limit, which these same owners pretend doesn't apply to them. Not to mention that they should require a trucker license to pilot such a beast, which they would need if the federal regulations weren't rewritten specifically to get these things into the hands of Soccor Moms everywhere.
But that's not politically safe to talk about.
How about minimum driving ages being changed? It shouldn' surprise anyone that kids under the age of 18 account for a HUGELY disporportionate piece of the accident pie. How about something like a learners permit (requiring a licensed driver in the car until 17 instead of 16. How about a restricted license (to work and back, etc...) until 18. Give these kids a chance to learn how to drive before we shove them off on their own. Seriously, now we give them a permit at 15.5 yrs and by 16 we shove em out of the driving nest to fly on their own. Them we get outraged at the damage they cause.
But that's not politically safe to talk about either.
How about some real draconian legislation to end drunk driving. If you are drinking and driving in this day and age, you, sir, are a fucktard. Seriously, have NEVER seen an afterschool special? Is your head planted so firmly in your own buttocks that you failed to hear the upteen warning shouted from every media outlet we can bring to bear on the topic? Of course not. That's why if you drink and drive, giving you any "1st offense" effect is a waste. You knew. You did it anyway. Manditory jailtime. Manditory removal of license...not restricted license, REMOVED license. It's a priviledge and you just lost it. STFU and pick up a bus schedule on the way home from the jail when you get out.
But that also is not politically safe to talk about.
How about serious legislation to curb car use in general. Something to give commuters and travellers a real alternative. People will bitch, though, because God forbid (no, literally God forbid---I mean car use is a right spelled out in the King James Bible, right?) anyone points out just how many lives are lost every year because the bar is so low on who we are willing to let careen through our neighborhoods behind the joystick of a 2+ ton screaming fast hunk of metal.
But that's DEFINATELY not politically safe to talk about.
Americans need to end their love affair with their cars.
I know there will be the inevitable "DRM is teh suX0rs" and "Sun is teh eVi1 for making it", but the Sun model is different enough to warrant a second look:
I'm NOT a fan of DRM---including Sun's---but as DRM goes, Sun's is less honerous than most. Read the details before commenting, as they may surprise you. They address some of the more common complaints about DRM. Again, I'm still against it, but there's somethig to be said about being against it for the right reasons.
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If you come here and found my multibillion dollar company that skyrockets me into uber fame on your coattails, I promise you...75W adapters...all you could ever want!
Good point, I posted too quickly.:) All I really meant by that was that using the same basic techniques demonstrated there, you can move it to an F/OSS like PostgreSQL or MySQL.
Yeah, it was a joke, I know, but beleive it or not, there are those for whom MS Access is a working requirement who might be interested in these links.
It locked up so that I had to reboot and then went into a kernel panic.
I'll accept at face value that you may have legitimately tried it and found it lacking, but it's worth noting that you say you were new to Linux, probably a bit pissed that it didn't work as expected, and that impression has carried with you, whether it is justified or not.
I had no trouble with apt on Linspire. I know others who had no trouble as well. More to your point, here's the ExtremeTech review of Linspire where they cracked it open and installed Gimp using apt right away, no muss-no fuss:
I'm willing to admit I may have been wrong about your previous post. Sounds like you did try it. I jumped the gun on that. Sorry. But rememeber that at the time you were new to linux and probably glossed over bits you shouldn't have glossed over or something like that. It's a great case-in-point for just what we are talking about. If you wanted to use Linux without all that trouble, Linspire offers a for-pay alternative. Note that Click-n-Run isn't based on apt anymore (I believe it was way back) so they could quite easily and legally remove those utilites. They didn't. That tells me they aren't trying to lock you into their service plan, but rather trusting that you might just like it if you try it. I still don't see that as shady.
Linspire's business plan has alwasy been based on charging users for installing sofware, something that is free everywhere else in the Linux world.
Linspire charges to make it easy for people who don't know linux to install software. In the business world this is called "Value Adding". They sell ease-of-use and they've never hidden that. They do not prevent you from eskewing their Click-n-Run server for apt-get, which works perfectly fine by all accounts.
In short, either you've never really used Linspire (because then you'd know that apt-get works just fine) or you have used it and have an unstated purpose behind your comment that drives you to misinform the reader. Either way, the comment you made is disingenious (a nicer word for "sleazy").
I sound harsh, but honestly, I'm tired of ill-informed, gut reactions polluting the commentary. It just gets old. Whatever happened to good old fashioned "knowing what the hell you're talking about or shutting the hell up"? I miss that.
I personally prefer Ubuntu over Linspire, but that reflects my preference for Gnome and for community-based distros, not my dislike for Linspire or anything they do. Linspire's target audience is not me, becuase I'm too damn cheap to pay for a monthly/yearly service (I don't even have cable!), which again says nothing about Linspire but plenty about me.
ID was created to destroy the "heretical" teaching of evolution
It's worth pointing out that Intelligent Design as a term has been used in a variety of ways by a variety of people and only a subset of them use it in the way you describe. It's a common misunderstanding that ID was designed to combat Evolution, but the truth is that it was really designed to draw a clear line between the beliefs of the Judeo-Islamic-Christian groups and those of many other faiths and to a lesser extent atheists. Whiule we bleieve that the universe is the byproduct of an Intelligence or directed Will, many other faiths see it as something more impersonal. This, as the original poster said, is not fundamentally in disagreement with Evolution.
However, just as with the Dixie flag, the German cross, and the phrase "Who ya gonna call?" it has been ruined by prominent subsequent use such that it can no longer serve its original purpose.
As a degreed theologian, that pisses me the hell off because it used to be quite an elegant answer to the question of the one of the larger differences in faith; now it is useless to me.
People prefer working in a comfortable environment. Working with things you know well is confortable. Learning a complex collab product that tries to encapsulate workflow and propriatary business logic is not and---dare I say it---cannot be made easy to learn or use. Email is as easy as writing a letter, something we've been doing since shortly after the first human crawled out ot the womb of some random, doomed neanderthal.
This place our dungeon, not our safe retreat Beyond his potent arm, to live exempt From Heaven's high jurisdiction, in new league Banded against his throne, but to remain In strictest bondage, though thus far removed, Under th' inevitable curb, reserved His captive multitude.
Paradise Lost, Book II, Lines 317-323
Fighting from our dark places isn't really going to win this battle for Freedom. I appreciate what Freenet is doing. It's securing our fallback position. We need that, but we need more a willingness on the part of our citizenry to take the fight to the day-lit streets of the Mall in Washington D.C.
I'd rather be free by liberty and than free by obscurity.
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Wow! I didn't know that bolding your text could get you modded up even when what you say is completely obvious to the audience you are addressing.
;) It's a joke. Laugh now. )
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http://tom.digitalelite.com/
Reading some of the /. comments on this story, I have to say that it's always interesting to see religious men trying too hard to associate Man with the divine as though we stand above and seperate from the natural world, but equally it's interesting to watch atheists try to find mankind wholly within nature as well. For as much as we want to call Man an animal (subject to an animal's exigencies and vicissitudes) we must admit that he is a curious sort of animal able to escape those forms of nature and create new configurations of need and choice.
I don't really have a point. I just find the whole matter of human will and spirit interesting.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/
...is what happens with al the people who actually need static content to particpate in this supposedly improved New Web Order.
.com (they want it all ASP.NET 2.0-ified) for a fairly large corp and 508 compliance is a pretty big deal...and truthfully it should be. We talk about wheelchair ramps and other physical accomodations, and even computer accessibility, but AJAX is circumventing our current accessibility model.
Think about it from the perspective of a blind man. His screen reader presents the content to him. He makes a choice or otherwise interacts with it. AJAX jumps in and dynamically changes a bit in the middle of the page. Now...how does he know it was changed? Answer? He doesn't. He's excluded by default from this whole "Web 2.0" thing.
I'm not interested in bringing everyone's experience down to the lowest common denominator, but it's getting kinda bad for people who need 508 compliance just to be a part of this great new medium.
If it were some remote corner of the web, I'd keep my mouth shut, but as more sites move to AJAX content, they cease being 508 compliant. And this is a very recent phenomena. Until AJAX (for the most part), the web was essentially static. Changes to a page initiated a postback event and the screen reader was thus informed that a change had occured. Not so anymore.
This was sort brought to my attention recently as I am redoing a
We need to either drastically improve the screen reader technology or make ourselves more aware of the poeple we exclude with these "advances".
Disclaimer: Yes, I know that "Web 2.0" is not directly about AJAX but rather about collaboration, but AJAX is the preferred technology used to implement said collaboration.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/
OK, maybe not first, but it would be funny if my prediction about Linux Desktop market share this year came true. Man, I would so have to lord it over my friends! ;-)
I could happen. My second prediction has already come true (but that kinda sucks, really).
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/linux.html
...of /. right now.
Reading all the messages about how stupid the population is for not being interesting in intellectual pursuits, I'm downright disheartened.
Remember that 50% of the population is of below average intelligence. Of those 50%, the bulk of them cannot follow a serious intellectual discussion---AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
Different people. Different gifts. Why must you assume that your gifts (being in the upper 50% intellectually) are somehow superior to theirs? It's no different than the jocks who picked on you for not being athletic or the cool kids who picked on you for being less attractive. Why would you continue that cycle?
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/
Are they going in alphabetical order? [...] they had Hoary Hedgehog, but then they went Breezy Badger, Dapper Drake, and Edgy Eft
;-)
I'm no alphabetologist, but I'd say you answered your own question.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/linux.html
You make some interesting comments, some which I agree with, some which I don't, and some which you obviously didn't do your homework on.
Not every state works as GA and TN. In VA, the laws are not so harsh. I can give specific examples as needed.
And personally, if you are going to attack the teenage drivers, please include the other group that causes accidents: elderly people.
I agree totally.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/
Oh.. and drunk driving penalties are already severe enough thank you (a year incarceration, license suspension, insurance rates higher than your mortgage for many years, etc etc).
:(
This differs by state, so experiences will vary, but I know 4 people personally who have been busted for drunk driving. Not one of them spent a day in jail...not a day. One of them spent a few hours in jail, but that was becuase he cussed out the cops and they "slowed" his paperwork.
Each of them, friends though they may be, deserved jailtime and a FAR heftier fine than any of them got.
FYI, one of them got busted for it twice. Still no jailtime. Granted, all of them had license issues, but not major ones.
Truth is, I don't know many people who would fear a drunk driving 1st offense, and I don't blame them. The laws in states like mine (VA) are too lax. The most recent, by the way, was 2 months ago and his court date was 2 weeks ago, in case you thought the laws may have changed.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/
Hate to burst your bubble, but several states already do this or are considering it.
That is just what I want to see! Doesn't burst any of my bubbles.
The real opposition is the suburban parents who don't want to drive their kids everywhere
Bad parenting is a likely cause of MANY of our social ills. I'm not shocked that they are here as well.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/
Based solely on this statistic, I can equally argue that inexperience is the cause of these accidents, and consequently your plan is going to do absolutely nothing.
/. rtant not a plan, though I appreciate the confidence. ;-)
/causal/ relationship between youth and poor impulse control). Don't let them make them behind a wheel.
Well, this was a
Actually, though, I advocate an extended learning period as I described in my original post. Give them more time on a restricted license to learn the rules and skills needed to be better drivers, but don't give a 17 yr old the freedom to take a care out alone after getting drunk behind the gym after a dance. Kids make stupid decisions (put differently, there is a provable
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/
...all the other reasons these careless drivers cause road problems. Seriously, Cell phones are a good start, but how about addressing the hypocrisy of SUVs. A vehicle with a Gross Weight of over 3 tons gets special tax incentive for work use, so they all get claimed, but vehicles over 3 tons also get regularly banned from certain roads for being over weight limit, which these same owners pretend doesn't apply to them. Not to mention that they should require a trucker license to pilot such a beast, which they would need if the federal regulations weren't rewritten specifically to get these things into the hands of Soccor Moms everywhere.
:-\
But that's not politically safe to talk about.
How about minimum driving ages being changed? It shouldn' surprise anyone that kids under the age of 18 account for a HUGELY disporportionate piece of the accident pie. How about something like a learners permit (requiring a licensed driver in the car until 17 instead of 16. How about a restricted license (to work and back, etc...) until 18. Give these kids a chance to learn how to drive before we shove them off on their own. Seriously, now we give them a permit at 15.5 yrs and by 16 we shove em out of the driving nest to fly on their own. Them we get outraged at the damage they cause.
But that's not politically safe to talk about either.
How about some real draconian legislation to end drunk driving. If you are drinking and driving in this day and age, you, sir, are a fucktard. Seriously, have NEVER seen an afterschool special? Is your head planted so firmly in your own buttocks that you failed to hear the upteen warning shouted from every media outlet we can bring to bear on the topic? Of course not. That's why if you drink and drive, giving you any "1st offense" effect is a waste. You knew. You did it anyway. Manditory jailtime. Manditory removal of license...not restricted license, REMOVED license. It's a priviledge and you just lost it. STFU and pick up a bus schedule on the way home from the jail when you get out.
But that also is not politically safe to talk about.
How about serious legislation to curb car use in general. Something to give commuters and travellers a real alternative. People will bitch, though, because God forbid (no, literally God forbid---I mean car use is a right spelled out in the King James Bible, right?) anyone points out just how many lives are lost every year because the bar is so low on who we are willing to let careen through our neighborhoods behind the joystick of a 2+ ton screaming fast hunk of metal.
But that's DEFINATELY not politically safe to talk about.
Americans need to end their love affair with their cars.
But I guess cell phones are a good start.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/
Slashdot linking to porn on the front page without a warning. Nice going.
/. blurb:
;-)
From the
With the exception of the last domain name, which is currently used for erotic video chat,
It sounded like a warning to me. Perhaps they should use the blink tag next time?
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/linux.html
I know there will be the inevitable "DRM is teh suX0rs" and "Sun is teh eVi1 for making it", but the Sun model is different enough to warrant a second look:
http://www.sun.com/2005-1025/feature/
I'm NOT a fan of DRM---including Sun's---but as DRM goes, Sun's is less honerous than most. Read the details before commenting, as they may surprise you. They address some of the more common complaints about DRM. Again, I'm still against it, but there's somethig to be said about being against it for the right reasons.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/technology.html
It looks like Zotob made it in to the supposedly protected network.
I'm supposed to be surprised that the department that is there to "protect" us from attack fell to an easily preventable virus?
Not when that same agency appoints Gator (now Claria) executive, D. Reed Freeman, to their Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee or when that very same agency hired its own Chief Privacy Officer from Doubleclick.
No, I couldn't muster less shock at the irony if my nutsack depended on it.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/politics.html
If you come here and found my multibillion dollar company that skyrockets me into uber fame on your coattails, I promise you...75W adapters...all you could ever want!
Think about it. It's a good offer.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/gnome.html
P.S. Act now, and I'll even wear those gay turtleneck sweater thingies you seem to like your partners to wear. I'm bending over backwards here, dude!
We use Open standards very much in our everyday life dont we? HTML, TCP/IP, GSM, PCI , XMPP ( jabber, google talk ).. etc. etc.
Not as much as we should:
MS Office (DOC, XLS, PPT, MDB), MS Outlook (PST), File Systems and Sharing(FAT, SMB), Non-ANSI SQL (T-SQL, PL-SQL), etc....
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/patents.html
Good point, I posted too quickly. :) All I really meant by that was that using the same basic techniques demonstrated there, you can move it to an F/OSS like PostgreSQL or MySQL.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/programming.html
I'm still awaiting an Access port
n e_access.html
8 23249.shtml?tid=150&tid=72&tid=82
You wanna read MS Access files in linux? Done: http://mdbtools.sourceforge.net/
You wanna port that data to an F/OSS db? Done: http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub/articles/gag
You want an MS Access equivolent for linux? Done: http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/04/20/1
Yeah, it was a joke, I know, but beleive it or not, there are those for whom MS Access is a working requirement who might be interested in these links.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/programming.html
It locked up so that I had to reboot and then went into a kernel panic.
3 ,00.asp
I'll accept at face value that you may have legitimately tried it and found it lacking, but it's worth noting that you say you were new to Linux, probably a bit pissed that it didn't work as expected, and that impression has carried with you, whether it is justified or not.
I had no trouble with apt on Linspire. I know others who had no trouble as well. More to your point, here's the ExtremeTech review of Linspire where they cracked it open and installed Gimp using apt right away, no muss-no fuss:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,115152
I'm willing to admit I may have been wrong about your previous post. Sounds like you did try it. I jumped the gun on that. Sorry. But rememeber that at the time you were new to linux and probably glossed over bits you shouldn't have glossed over or something like that. It's a great case-in-point for just what we are talking about. If you wanted to use Linux without all that trouble, Linspire offers a for-pay alternative. Note that Click-n-Run isn't based on apt anymore (I believe it was way back) so they could quite easily and legally remove those utilites. They didn't. That tells me they aren't trying to lock you into their service plan, but rather trusting that you might just like it if you try it. I still don't see that as shady.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/linux.html
Linspire's business plan has alwasy been based on charging users for installing sofware, something that is free everywhere else in the Linux world.
Linspire charges to make it easy for people who don't know linux to install software. In the business world this is called "Value Adding". They sell ease-of-use and they've never hidden that. They do not prevent you from eskewing their Click-n-Run server for apt-get, which works perfectly fine by all accounts.
In short, either you've never really used Linspire (because then you'd know that apt-get works just fine) or you have used it and have an unstated purpose behind your comment that drives you to misinform the reader. Either way, the comment you made is disingenious (a nicer word for "sleazy").
I sound harsh, but honestly, I'm tired of ill-informed, gut reactions polluting the commentary. It just gets old. Whatever happened to good old fashioned "knowing what the hell you're talking about or shutting the hell up"? I miss that.
I personally prefer Ubuntu over Linspire, but that reflects my preference for Gnome and for community-based distros, not my dislike for Linspire or anything they do. Linspire's target audience is not me, becuase I'm too damn cheap to pay for a monthly/yearly service (I don't even have cable!), which again says nothing about Linspire but plenty about me.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/linux.html
Roses are
Red.
Telephones
Are plastic.
Disco is
dead.
But this poem is
Fantastic!
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/poetry.html
ID was created to destroy the "heretical" teaching of evolution
It's worth pointing out that Intelligent Design as a term has been used in a variety of ways by a variety of people and only a subset of them use it in the way you describe. It's a common misunderstanding that ID was designed to combat Evolution, but the truth is that it was really designed to draw a clear line between the beliefs of the Judeo-Islamic-Christian groups and those of many other faiths and to a lesser extent atheists. Whiule we bleieve that the universe is the byproduct of an Intelligence or directed Will, many other faiths see it as something more impersonal. This, as the original poster said, is not fundamentally in disagreement with Evolution.
However, just as with the Dixie flag, the German cross, and the phrase "Who ya gonna call?" it has been ruined by prominent subsequent use such that it can no longer serve its original purpose.
As a degreed theologian, that pisses me the hell off because it used to be quite an elegant answer to the question of the one of the larger differences in faith; now it is useless to me.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/religion.html
...I'm still on the wrong side of that evolutionary transition, you insensitive clod!
/me flops back into the deep sea out of shame for posting this joke
-Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/science.html
People prefer working in a comfortable environment. Working with things you know well is confortable. Learning a complex collab product that tries to encapsulate workflow and propriatary business logic is not and---dare I say it---cannot be made easy to learn or use. Email is as easy as writing a letter, something we've been doing since shortly after the first human crawled out ot the womb of some random, doomed neanderthal.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/
This place our dungeon, not our safe retreat
Beyond his potent arm, to live exempt
From Heaven's high jurisdiction, in new league
Banded against his throne, but to remain
In strictest bondage, though thus far removed,
Under th' inevitable curb, reserved
His captive multitude.
Paradise Lost, Book II, Lines 317-323
Fighting from our dark places isn't really going to win this battle for Freedom. I appreciate what Freenet is doing. It's securing our fallback position. We need that, but we need more a willingness on the part of our citizenry to take the fight to the day-lit streets of the Mall in Washington D.C.
I'd rather be free by liberty and than free by obscurity.
Tom Caudron
http://tom.digitalelite.com/linux.html