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Planning Dapper +1, The Edgy Eft

Christian Jensen writes "On the ubuntu-announce mailing list, Mark Shuttleworth announced the plans for the next Ubuntu release - 'The Edgy Eft', the successor to Dapper Drake." This release is being touted as both cutting edge (edgy) and containing several comparatively "young" software additions ('Eft' being a 'youthful newt, going through its first exploration of the rocky territory just outside the stream.') like Xen, XGL/AIGLX, and others.

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  1. Almost panicked there... by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Planning Dapper +1, The Edgy Eft

    I read that headline eight times. I ran to the mirror and smiled to make sure both sides of my mouth were working. Then I made sure both my arms lifted fine. "Hrm...", I thought, "I didn't have a stroke. Why does that headline make no sense?"

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    1. Re:Almost panicked there... by koweja · · Score: 1

      It made no sense to me at first either, then I saw that it was related to Ubuntu. At which time it still made no sense to me, but I was less surprised that I was confused.

    2. Re:Almost panicked there... by daVinci1980 · · Score: 1

      I hope you get modded +5 insightful.

      The summary wasn't much better than the headline.

      (From the products-I'll-never-use-for-fear-of-aneurism-dept)

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    3. Re:Almost panicked there... by Jonas56 · · Score: 1

      I didn't get it at first either, but then after reading the summary I assume Dapper +1 refers to one major version ahead of Dapper Drake. Why they can't just call it the next version/7.x I do not know.

    4. Re:Almost panicked there... by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 1

      At first I thought it was some Dungeons and Dragons story.

    5. Re:Almost panicked there... by hentaidan · · Score: 1

      Somebody call me

      Whats that ringing noise I hear?

    6. Re:Almost panicked there... by Mozk · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ubuntu verion numbers are the date when they are released. For example, 5.10 was released in October of 2005. Generally the versions are spaced six months apart, so the next would have been 6.04, but it has been delayed till June, so it will be 6.06. A version of 7.x would be in the year 2007, on the xth month.

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    7. Re:Almost panicked there... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Aparently somebody calling you and not me? If they have anything to say about the above mentioned, let me know.

    8. Re:Almost panicked there... by !equal · · Score: 1

      The sound of your hearing going bad.

    9. Re:Almost panicked there... by Mike+Savior · · Score: 1

      When Microsoft opens up NTFS in any way shape or form, or if anyone reverse engineers it efficiently enough, then you can receive your phone call.

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    10. Re:Almost panicked there... by aaronl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Linux won't install onto NTFS (complete lack of documentation from MS does not help), but it will install into a vFAT partition. The compression is possible, though not likely, and I doubt the file encryption will ever be supported. If you install Windows into a FAT partition, then you can use UMSDOS to install Linux onto the same, and you need no other partitions.

      If you wanted to use Captive in the way you're talking about, then you would need a partition to load the Linux kernel and support binaries, and you could then have all of your other files on the Captive NTFS partition. Nobody has done this because it's both not really worth it and not very efficient.

      Linux can use swapfiles. Swap partitions are just a generally better way.

    11. Re:Almost panicked there... by nine-times · · Score: 1

      well, given that dapper drake got pushed back to 06-06, the next version may well be 7.01.

    12. Re:Almost panicked there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mod parent +1 Dapper.

    13. Re:Almost panicked there... by FauxPasIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Linux can use swapfiles. Swap partitions are just a generally better way.

      Since Linux 2.6, the latter half of that statement isn't really true anymore.
      As I understand it, it used to be the case that to use a swap file meant that
      any swap I/O would have to hit the filesystem code, but that as of 2.6, that
      is no longer the case. Swap files are the same speed as swap partitions and
      a lot more flexible. =)

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    14. Re:Almost panicked there... by cortana · · Score: 1

      FYI, a separate partition for swap space has not been required for many years.A separate partition has

    15. Re:Almost panicked there... by MooUK · · Score: 1

      See, I understood it perfectly... but I sometimes have trouble understanding perfectly normal sentences, so whether I understand it or not means nothing!

    16. Re:Almost panicked there... by muszek · · Score: 1

      They plan to come back to april-october-april route... so Edgy is scheduled for october. AFAIR it was mentioned in TFA (not sure tho, I read it couple hours ago).

    17. Re:Almost panicked there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      O.K, and you call me when Windows Vista installs on a Rieser4 partition, and we'll both wait for someone to call us when OS X installs on a UFS2 partition.

      Then, when we wake up, you can get back to your CS101 class and ask the prof. why you're talking ass.

    18. Re:Almost panicked there... by Library+Spoff · · Score: 1

      i'm *really* confused by your post.
      Are you trying to say a separate partition for swap is or isn't needed?

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    19. Re:Almost panicked there... by cortana · · Score: 1

      Oops... ignore anything after the full stop and it makes sense! You have the choice of using a swap partition, a swap file, or no swap at all.

      Before Linux 2.6, swapfiles used to impose a performance penalty. These days, the only difference between the two is one of convenience and flexibility.

    20. Re:Almost panicked there... by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      No, -1 Diaper.

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    21. Re:Almost panicked there... by krewemaynard · · Score: 1

      Depends on what you mean by "performance penalty." I accidentally ran a system without swap for a while (forgot to create it in fstab). Everything ran pretty well, but if I tried to launch too many programs and there wasn't enough RAM to go around, something would die, or just not launch. Swapping is good to have around as a just-in-case solution, IMO.

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    22. Re:Almost panicked there... by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      i thought that penalty was removed in 2.4 but i cba to look it up now.

      btw you can have multiple swap partitions, multiple swapfiles and even a mixture of the two. You can also add an remove swap while the system is running!

      far far more flexible than windows.

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  2. dot dot dot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    ...WHAT?

  3. She turned me into an Eft! by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny

    I got better. But it did make me a bit, you know, edgy...

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    1. Re:She turned me into an Eft! by syzler · · Score: 1

      She turned you into a newt, but we can understand your confusion. Being transformed into another creature would be a traumatic experience for any of us.

  4. Edgy? by grasshoppa · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why must everything be "Edgy" now a days? When I think of edgy, I think of some dude strung out on too much caffiene and cigs.

    If that's cool, whatever, I'm out of touch anymore anyway. But it still doesn't paint a good image.

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    1. Re:Edgy? by eln · · Score: 1

      When I think of edgy, I think of some dude strung out on too much caffiene and cigs.

      I think that describes the submitter of this article perfectly.

    2. Re:Edgy? by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      It's Extreme to the MAX.

      For some reason this reminded me of Jello X-Treme with reduced sugar. Nothing quite so extreme as watching your glucose levels....

    3. Re:Edgy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're confusing 'edgy' with 'sketchy'.

    4. Re:Edgy? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      Why must everything be "Edgy" now a days?

      As for the name, they couldn't come up with another 2-syllable adjective that started with the letter "E". And the two first adjectives ended up with "y":

      Breezy Badger,
      Hoary Hedge

      Edgy is a logical continuation to this trend.

    5. Re:Edgy? by Fred_A · · Score: 4, Funny
      Why must everything be "Edgy" now a days?


      I know I get Edgy when my Dapper is full !

      Eft ! Eft ! Come change my Dapper !

      *drools*
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    6. Re:Edgy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cram it, old man!

    7. Re:Edgy? by Total+Cult · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why must everything be "Edgy" now a days? When I think of edgy, I think of some dude strung out on too much caffiene and cigs.

      If that's cool, whatever, I'm out of touch anymore anyway.But it still doesn't paint a good image.


      I used to be with it... but then they changed what "it" was, and what I'm with isn't "it" anymore, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me. It'll happen to you!

    8. Re:Edgy? by Plug · · Score: 1

      In this case, I think it was because (a) jdub liked it (b) they wanted to imply 'polished' with dapper, and 'willing to take a few more risks' with edgy.

    9. Re:Edgy? by woolio · · Score: 1

      When I think of edgy, I think of some dude strung out on too much caffiene and cigs.

      Again, what's the name of that distro that starts with "U"????

      Edgy is probably accurate!

    10. Re:Edgy? by TractorBarry · · Score: 1

      > *drools*

      Ah, you must be one of those Gnome users I keep reading about

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    11. Re:Edgy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For some unaccountable reason, your post makes me think of Miss Edie in Pink Flamingos -- a movie I haven't even seen. (I saw a TV show about John Waters, the director, which included an excerpt.)

  5. What's in a name? by joe_bruin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As an Ubuntu user and fan, I'd just like to say: for fuck's sake, stop it with the stupid names! Breezy Badger, Dapper Drake, Edgy Eft. Seriously, I feel like a jackass enough saying "Ubuntu". I don't understand, are they actively trying to discourage people from using it?

    1. Re:What's in a name? by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

      Names matter a lot to those who don't understand what's behind it. For years I marveled at how you would start Windows 3.1 by typing "win" at a dos box. Very shrewd. If a *nix programmer did it, s/he would probably have made it a short snappy abbv for "Load Operating System and Execute Restart", and not think a thing about what it spells to the laity.

      Or "Load Unix and Start Running" ;)

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    2. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, so what's wrong with saying "Ubuntu 6.06" then? No one is forcing you to use the silly codenames, anymore than you have to call Windows Vista "Longhorn."

    3. Re:What's in a name? by toddles666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Jovial Jackass?

    4. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if the laity were all British Metal Gear Solid players or something, you'd be right. As it is, you need several dictionaries to understand these names...

    5. Re:What's in a name? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The names are ok, they describe things perfectly and themselves become a unique identifier almost noone will have used before - for instance at this moment, google doesn't match anything with "edgy eft" as an exact phrase, you can bet your ass they will soon.

      Now, there is a problem however with upgrades.

      some people will be upgrading from Hoary Hedgehog to Edgy Eft.
      An old hedgehog to a youthful newt, its like the princess kissing the frog but in reverse.

      The problem I have is when your installation goes wrong and you end up with a Hoary Eft (old youthful newt).

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    6. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is forcing you to use the silly codenames, anymore than you have to call Windows Vista "Longhorn."

      Vista? Oh, you mean Windows NT 5.2. No one uses "Ubuntu 5.10", everyone says "Breezy", much the same as everyone says "XP".

    7. Re:What's in a name? by Saven+Marek · · Score: 1

      The names are ok, they describe things perfectly

      Exactly. Whenever I think of an operating system based on debian using the linux kernel and put together by a group of people headed by an ex astronaut I think of the names "dapper" and "drake".

      Why they go together like peas and... USB.

    8. Re:What's in a name? by Eberlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sure it's been visited before -- here's a list of names we're used to...but would seem strange without some sort of common usage or marketing force behind them:

      Windows NT, ME, XP, Vista, Xbox
      OSX...Jaguar, Panther
      Apache, IIS
      iPod, Nano
      MS Excel, Powerpoint
      Yahoo, Google

      Ubuntu -- Humanity to others. Now as far as the naming conventions of hoary hedgehog, breezy badger, dapper drake, and now edgy eft...get over it. There are lots of fscked up names for projects and sure, it'd be better if they had more appropriate names, but they're still as useful. It's a matter of pulling enough of a marketing spin on things, that's all.

      I like and use ubuntu (well kubuntu, really). I don't care about the naming conventions. If nothing else, it's a conversation starter. "Yeah, at home I run dapper drake" -- "dapper drake, what's that?" "oh, it's a version of a linux distro called Ubuntu...you know how Windows has all these version numbers and strange names? Ubuntu's folks decided to use animals in theirs. Kinda like Apple and their big cats."

      To each his own, bro...and as long as the Ubuntu folks come up with good stuff and package it in that wonderfully user-friendly manner, I'm all for it. Now if they call the next version "fscked-up falcon" I may reconsider. Nah, I'll probably still use it.

    9. Re:What's in a name? by BenSchuarmer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just call them by their numbers. Badger was 5.x, Drake is 6.x, etc.

    10. Re:What's in a name? by Wylfing · · Score: 4, Insightful
      As an Ubuntu user and fan, I'd just like to say: for fuck's sake, stop it with the stupid names! Breezy Badger, Dapper Drake, Edgy Eft. Seriously, I feel like a jackass enough saying "Ubuntu". I don't understand, are they actively trying to discourage people from using it?

      For fuck's sake, stop being 13 years old. If saying "Ubuntu" is enough to make you feel like a jackass, you've got some issues. And anyway, I cannot really understand how "Ubuntu" is any worse than "SuSE." Furthermore, names like Dapper Drake are code names for release targets, not brands.

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    11. Re:What's in a name? by PaulK · · Score: 1

      There you go! You gave half of "Dapper +2" away!!!

    12. Re:What's in a name? by yoder · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Some people just don't seem happy unless they are bitching about something.

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    13. Re:What's in a name? by Frogbert · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I'm simplifying the matter but couldn't you just call it Ubuntu 6.06?

    14. Re:What's in a name? by Demerol · · Score: 1

      At least it eliminates any possible ambiguity as to whether or not the Ubuntu distribution is designed solely for the homosexual community.

    15. Re:What's in a name? by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but just think how much fun the F release will be. :)

    16. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... considering that, after 'E' comes 'F', my vote's gotta be for 'Farty Falcon' :-)

    17. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The official name of any Ubuntu release is based on its year / month release. ie 5.04 = April 2005 version, 6.06 = June 2006 version.

      Personally I feel like a jackass everytime I say I've had to install Windows Bobcat on a machine, and even more of a jackass saying I've Springboard patched all the XP desktops. Do you know how embarassing it is to say that you manage your diary on Ozone and that your applications install using Darwin (no, not MacOS). Oh btw, I've had no end of problems with mail servers built with Platinum.

      Microsoft aren't alone either. Pretty much all softwaee has an internal version name, including distros from Redhat, Fedora, Debian etc.

    18. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe even something crazy like "startx"! You know the command used for starting the X windows GUI from the CLI.

    19. Re:What's in a name? by TheDarkener · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For fuck's sake, stop being 13 years old. If saying "Ubuntu" is enough to make you feel like a jackass, you've got some issues.

      Not if you're trying to convince a company to use Ubuntu you don't... To the non-Linux crowd (99% of the population), telling your public relations people that you just "Uninstalled Windows XP Professional" and installed "Ubuntu Dapper Drake", they're gonna get a mental image of a Dapper Dan doll in the woods or something.

      I agree that the names could be better - but it all depends on who you're talking to. Engineers love weird names like that, it promotes a sense of fun and optimism instead of something mundane and "work"ish. I don't see anything worse about the name "Ubuntu" than "Google" or "Yahoo" at all, at least Ubuntu means something significant.

      So "Ubuntu 6.06" to the marketing types, and "Dapper Drake" to everyone who's not trying to fit the mold I guess.

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    20. Re:What's in a name? by aphexddb · · Score: 2, Insightful
      for fuck's sake, stop it with the stupid names!
      Well said sir. For the love of god, at least have an alternate 'serious' name that could possibly be brought up in a meeting with some directors regarding the OS to be installed on all 5,000 corporate desktops. Saying "Ubuntu" and fucking "Edgy Eft" will make you look spectacularly lame in those meetings.

      Just a little perspective.

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    21. Re:What's in a name? by batkiwi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Windows 5.2 is already out, and sometimes known as "windows 2003".

      However, that simply makes your point.

    22. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROFL

      how about Kinky Koala?

    23. Re:What's in a name? by MooUK · · Score: 1

      As some people have said already: if you don't like the names, use the version number. Breezy, for instance, was 5.10, whilst Hoary was 5.04. Dapper will be 6.06, or possibly 6.05 (I can't remember which month the release is aimed for...)

    24. Re:What's in a name? by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but just think how much fun the F release will be. :)

      I vote for Flatulent Flamingo

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    25. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does "Ubuntu six-point-oh-four" sound, then? Because that's the actual version name, afaik. At least, that's what gets printed on the CDs etc (was for 5.10 at least).

    26. Re:What's in a name? by jejones · · Score: 1

      The names are just code names, for heaven's sake. If you don't like them, use the numbers already!

      IMHO, there's nothing wrong with "Ubuntu," save for people who pronounce it /ooh-BUN-too/ instead of /ooh-BOON-too/. I'm far from politically correct, but I expect you'll have to get used to more non-Eurocentric names for programs and OSs as time goes on.

      If they'd chosen a name in a language like Xhosa that required clicks to say properly, I'd say you have a point, but unless you're a native speaker of Hawaiian or Japanese, you can probably correctly say "Ubuntu."

      For that matter, it's not like GNOME or KDE are making great name choices: ekiga? pessulus? sabayon? K[a-z]*?

    27. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on, lighten up! So long as the name isn't offensive, does it really matter what it's called? So why not bring a bit of fun into the world with "silly" software titles? What should they call it... "the really really serious, dour suited professional persons beige-tinged OS of choice"? I guess this might make a few more self-conscious suits adopt it, but seriously, who cares if they do?

    28. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shitty Shoat

    29. Re:What's in a name? by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      Exactly, this is the Ubuntu 5.10 CD case, the sort of thing business people might see, and 'Breezy Badger' is nowhere to be seen anywhere on or inside the case or CDs. http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc242&im age=06461_untitled.JPG

      Ubuntu 5.10 is a good sounding name, I prefer it to Fedora Core 5, Red Hat Enterprise Edition 10, Debian Woody, etc.

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    30. Re:What's in a name? by MrFlannel · · Score: 1

      wrong.
      4.10 - Warty
      5.04 - Hoary
      5.10 - Breezy
      6.06 - Dapper
      6.10 - Edgy

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    31. Re:What's in a name? by dodobh · · Score: 1

      Unix developers name it init.

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    32. Re:What's in a name? by uncle_sum_ · · Score: 1

      My wife still can't wrap her head around my SuSE Linux machine. She insists on calling it "Susie Links".

    33. Re:What's in a name? by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      But there are so many other more interesting names!

      Such as "Foudroyant Fox" for when Ubuntu finally conquers Windows.
      Or "Fringillaceous Finch" for when Ubuntu releases are starting to feel redundant.
      Or "Fluxional Fly" for when Ubuntu reaches its buggy phase.
      Or "Fucking Fleas" for when Ubuntu's buggy phase reaches infestation level.
      Or "Fugacious Fish" for when Ubuntu is under attack by a larger predatory distro.
      Or "Friable Frog" for the following release when Ubuntu fails to prevail over its predator.

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    34. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be an Anal Aardvark.

    35. Re:What's in a name? by rsidd · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I just love it when random slashdotters whine that Mark Shuttleworth, one of the richest South Africans, one of the first space tourists, the man who sold Thawte to Verisign and made enough to basically retire on, doesn't know how to market his products...

      If you think Ubuntu is a dumb name, that's your problem. Lots of people seem to like it fine.

    36. Re:What's in a name? by nEJC76 · · Score: 1

      hehe... thats why my SuSe machine hostname is susy

    37. Re:What's in a name? by arose · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The codname for Vista is Longhorn. Ubuntu 5.10 is both the official name and the version number.

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    38. Re:What's in a name? by jonasj · · Score: 1

      IMHO, there's nothing wrong with "Ubuntu," save for people who pronounce it /ooh-BUN-too/ instead of /ooh-BOON-too/.

      A good rule to remember it by is that the u's in Ubuntu are pronounced like the u's in zulu.

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    39. Re:What's in a name? by jonasj · · Score: 1

      the man who sold Thawte to Verisign and made enough to basically retire on

      Uh, he got over half a billion USD for Thawte. Even if he would live to be 120 years old, he would still have more than five million dollars to spend every year from the year he made the deal till his death. If that is only basically enough to retire on, the cost of living must have gone up since last I checked.

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    40. Re:What's in a name? by thebigbadwolf · · Score: 0

      No-one forced you to use those names, use Ubuntu 6.04 (or whatever version you are using) instead, leave the edgy efts to the rest of us who do enjoy the odd-names

    41. Re:What's in a name? by pedalman · · Score: 0
      As an Ubuntu user and fan, I'd just like to say: for fuck's sake, stop it with the stupid names! Breezy Badger, Dapper Drake, Edgy Eft. Seriously, I feel like a jackass enough saying "Ubuntu".
      Obviously, you never woke up in the morning with a Debian Woody.
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    42. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The app/console for managing local users and groups in Windows is lusrmgr.msc (system32 dir) which I have often referred to as losermanager. I always thought that in the background that said a lot about what MS thinks of the users.

    43. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel like a jackass enough saying "Ubuntu".

      A Jolly Jackass?

    44. Re:What's in a name? by eric_brissette · · Score: 1

      Then say "five point ten" instead of "breezy badger"

    45. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    46. Re:What's in a name? by Morrigu · · Score: 1

      Let's assume that Mr Shuttleworth decides to be excessively paranoid with his new-found 500M USD in wealth and only invest it in rock-solid financial products, and get perhaps a 3% return per year on the hordes of cash he has.

      Let's even assume that he pays some capital gains tax on that money first and loses 30% of it. And buys a big honking house, a boat, and some other assorted toys and property for himself and his family and friends, to the tune of $50M USD.

      That still leaves ((500 * 0.7) - 50) = 300M USD to invest. At the extremely conservative investment return of 3% per year, he'd generate 9M USD per year. Minus taxes and fees, that'd be perhaps 5M or 6M per year. Every year.

      Forever.

      I mean, my sell-out threshold (quit my job, pay off the house and cars, pay off my parents' house and cars, move somewhere quiet and retire into a life of raising kids, reading history books, hiking around my property and playing WoW or Oblivion) is like 4M USD. Total.

      The man can make fuck-you money EVERY YEAR even if he's a super-paranoid investor. Most folks with 10e8 USDs to their name have very very good financial advisors who can manage at least a 10% average return per year over the long haul with a mix of stable and higher-risk investments in their portfolio.

      I'm just impressed that Mr Shuttleworth chooses to do something worthwhile with his time, money and talent, instead of choosing to be, hmmm, I don't know, Paris Hilton.

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    47. Re:What's in a name? by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      Yeah, something that doesn't sound silly would be better. Something like "Red Hat". Which, BTW, that same 99% of people think is synonymous with Linux, or old ladies.

    48. Re:What's in a name? by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      Just say Linux in those meetings. There's no reason to discuss the specific distribution with anyone who's gonna get confused by version numbers or perfectly valid non-english words like Ubuntu. Those people won't know the difference between RedHat and Debian anyway.

    49. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not clear how you got from "soo suh" to "soo zee"... Do you pronnounce Linux with a hard "i", as well, as in "Linus likes lying"?

      PS, SuSE used to be SuSE, but is now SUSE - it was never SuSe. Ever.

    50. Re:What's in a name? by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu 5.10 is a good sounding name, I prefer it to Fedora Core 5, Red Hat Enterprise Edition 10, Debian Woody, etc.

      Yes, much much much better for the professional crowd than "Woody". =p

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  6. I'll wait for Flat Flounder or Garish Grasshopper by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, Ubuntu, we get it. I mean, I know version numbers in press releases are so corporate and everything, but but some day (say, when they're releasing Zoroastrian Zebra or whatever) they'll look back on this little phase and feel a little silly. Like when you see your really cool high school yearbook shot about 10 years later, when it's so absolutley, positively, not cool (and worse: you realize it wasn't then, either!).

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  7. It's great to plan ahead, but... by betasaur · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "We can afford to take some risks with Dapper+1, because Dapper has turned
    out so well."

    I love Ubuntu and all that, but jeez, get it out the door first!

    1. Re:It's great to plan ahead, but... by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      Dapper is pretty much out the door. the last few flights have been pretty good, and the release was delayed precisely for this: If Edgy Eft has stability/desktop/whatever issues, Dapper will be supported for long enough and good for long enough that people uncomfortable with this change of direction can wait a round or two.

    2. Re:It's great to plan ahead, but... by Kangburra · · Score: 1
      "We can afford to take some risks with Dapper+1, because Dapper has turned
      out so well."

      I love Ubuntu and all that, but jeez, get it out the door first!


      I have a funny feeling that "Dapper Drake" will end up being the Mandrivel killer. Mandrake have gone downhill fast over the last few years to the point now where even their club members have had enough. Take a look at the stats.

      If Ubuntu can take their users and add some Windows users they could be in a very good place.

      I agree they need to get Dapper out and see if the finished product lives up to the hype, if it does, Ubuntu could be the distro of choice.
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    3. Re:It's great to plan ahead, but... by spagetti_code · · Score: 1
      Wrong mentality dude. The planners for a project must get the plans/decisions and thinking done about a project well in advance of the aviliability of the team. Otherwise the edgy team will be ready, and no-one will be sure whats in it.


      Personally I'd have had this conversation a while ago. That way, when the dapper implementation team hit the 'send' button, everything will be in place to get started on edgy.

    4. Re:It's great to plan ahead, but... by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      The planners for a project must get the plans/decisions and thinking done about a project well in advance of the aviliability of the team. Otherwise the edgy team will be ready, and no-one will be sure whats in it.
      Actually, in this case, no.

      If you read the announcement, you'll see that, as it says:

      "this release is entirely up the to development team to envision and implement. ,,,

      So that should give us a nice big bump in infrastructure and bling."

      - the devs are being given a free hand to stick whatever new toys they want in it.

      Bling? Bling???

      They should call it "Ubuntu - the Ghetto Gnu release" ... for all of us who don't want to be hangin' in Gate's crib.

    5. Re:It's great to plan ahead, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where do they get those stats from? Is that just from dedicated users clicking a button saying they have some distro, or do they work with mirror operators to try and collect download stats, or what?

    6. Re:It's great to plan ahead, but... by alphamugwump · · Score: 1

      It's page hits. which means you can easily set up a script to get it over and over and over...

      Not necessarily the most accurate thing in the world.

    7. Re:It's great to plan ahead, but... by MoxFulder · · Score: 1

      IMHO, Ubuntu is everything that Mandrake could have been ... but failed at:
      (a) super stable
      (b) polished and consistent
      (c) not slowly degenerating into nagware/our-company-is-bankrupt-ware

    8. Re:It's great to plan ahead, but... by Kangburra · · Score: 1

      With PLF support I don't see any reason to stay with Mandrake. Ubuntu is improving while Mandrake is declining.

      Shame, but yes their commercial ideas have ruined it for a lot of people.

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  8. Keep 'em coming Mark. by tornsaq · · Score: 0

    Mark is crazy. Cool dude, but crazy.

    1. Re:Keep 'em coming Mark. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      I wonder if Dapper +2 will be "Foamy Fish" or something. "Fiery Falcon" maybe? "Furry Fox"? Hmmm, that could sound interesting in tech support forums.

      "I'm having problems installing my Furry, pls help!" :P

    2. Re:Keep 'em coming Mark. by A+Nun+Must+Cow+Herd · · Score: 1

      I vote for Foamy Fish! :D

    3. Re:Keep 'em coming Mark. by Bloater · · Score: 1

      They're not alphabetical, my money's on Malodorous Muff.

    4. Re:Keep 'em coming Mark. by thephotoman · · Score: 1

      Firey Fox! Well, provided you can get approval from MoFo/MoCo to do that. On second thought, maybe that isn't such a good idea.

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    5. Re:Keep 'em coming Mark. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like "Furious Fieldmouse" myself.

    6. Re:Keep 'em coming Mark. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've decided to choose names alphabetically now (starting with Dapper).

  9. heheh by Danzigism · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I personally think their little names are quite clever.. who cares anyway.. the damn distro works better than any crap RPM based distro ANY day.. i'm GLAD to see they're implementing Xgl in this big release.. shit is gonna start hitting the fan.. i finally got Xgl to work with my cloned twinview setup, and man its unbelievable.. the fact that Ubuntu is running behind this nice Xgl interface, makes it even BETTER.. i'll continue to recommend this distro, and future distros, to all my friends, and to any one who doesn't want to spend $200 on a CRAP OS..

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    1. Re:heheh by Poppler · · Score: 2, Informative

      i'm GLAD to see they're implementing Xgl in this big release..

      Actually you can get xgl and compiz from the dapper repos now. It's pretty cool.

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    2. Re:heheh by Danzigism · · Score: 1

      hell yea.. i installed Dapper last night, and its freakin perfect.. a little tweakin here and there with the gdm.conf and gdm.conf-custom, but other than that, worked like a friggin charm!!

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    3. Re:heheh by leenks · · Score: 1

      Now get Xgl working on AMD64 (or any of the other things broken on AMD64 for that matter) and see if you feel the same way.

    4. Re:heheh by Danzigism · · Score: 1

      dude, RTFM

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    5. Re:heheh by leenks · · Score: 1

      Haha :-)

      I'll bite anyway in case you weren't being a "Jovial Jackass" (love that one!):

      There are several wiki articles on installing AMD64 Xgl on the latest Ubuntu Dapper flight, but only one of them works fairly well, and not on 100% of systems. Support on AMD64 for various cards is flakey. I know several people that are what I'd call Linux veterans (10+ years of hardcore linux use) that have not found it particularly easy to get working, and several beginners that flat out gave up and went back to Windows (partly due to the lack of popular media codecs and the Flash plugin).

      Yes, it's possible to get it to work by fixing stuff, and this is cutting edge, but it's far from easy and scares people away from trying.

    6. Re:heheh by Danzigism · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A person on Ubuntu Forums, as reported from my dear friend that runs Debians.org, posted up this link for AMD64 users.. He got it working flawlessy.. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13165 9

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    7. Re:heheh by Danzigism · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      wow i'm looking forward to metamoderating the hell of the dumb bastard that flamebait moderated man.. whats a matter? have a problem with opinions? you must use SuSE..

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    8. Re:heheh by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 1
      Now get Xgl working on AMD64 (or any of the other things broken on AMD64 for that matter) and see if you feel the same way.

      Why would I want to do that? I run 32 bit Ubuntu on my 64 bit box to avoid that kind of pain.

      Unless you need more than 4 gigs of RAM, why hurt yourself with the 64 bit version? Sure its a little faster, but not enough to warrent the lack of flash/java/xgl....

  10. New Icon? by stinerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is rather off-topic so I'll expect the usual down-mod.

    Perhaps /. should get a new icon for Ubuntu instead of using the Debian one. Yes, I know that Ubuntu is based on Debian Sid, but seeing that Ubuntu is arguably more popular than Debian (based on Distrowatch stats), perhaps an Ubuntu section/icon would be in order?

    1. Re:New Icon? by koweja · · Score: 1

      I agree. Regardless of popularity, they are different products, so news regarding one is does not mean people interested in the other will care about the article.

    2. Re:New Icon? by poopie · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I agree too.

      Ubuntu is based on Debian, but unlike Debian... I *WANT* to use Ubuntu.

      queue the Ubunutu icon...

    3. Re:New Icon? by Rinisari · · Score: 0, Redundant
      Perhaps /. should get a new icon for Ubuntu instead of using the Debian one.
      QFE
      (quoted for emphasis)
    4. Re:New Icon? by Shishberg · · Score: 1

      Seconded. (Or fourthed, now that I look at it.)

    5. Re:New Icon? by timelady · · Score: 1

      yeah. i agree they need a new one. why not the actual ubuntu one?

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    6. Re:New Icon? by dsginter · · Score: 2, Funny

      I vote for the two chicks at the same time icon that we've all come to know and love.

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    7. Re:New Icon? by stinerman · · Score: 1

      Debian and Ubuntu server different user bases. I'm making the switch from Fedora Core 5 to Ubuntu 6.06 when its released. Even then, I might want to keep Debian around for a very old 486 I have. As I understand it, the base Debian system (similar to an Ubuntu server install) is very light. DSL is basically Debian, so I might just use that as well.

    8. Re:New Icon? by mikefe · · Score: 1

      Only if they're *all* shirtless.

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    9. Re:New Icon? by PygmySurfer · · Score: 1

      Surely you mean this one. Or maybe this one, it's more like a logo, the first one (and the one you linked) are wallpapers, really :)

    10. Re:New Icon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One more into it. A different icon would be great.

  11. Alphabeticism? by vishbar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Are they going in alphabetical order?

    At first, they had Hoary Hedgehog, but then they went Breezy Badger, Dapper Drake, and Edgy Eft. If they're going to do this, what happened to the 'C'? And why not start with an 'A'?

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    1. Re:Alphabeticism? by ettlz · · Score: 5, Funny
      what happened to the 'C'? And why not start with an 'A'?
      Maybe "Avid Ass" and "Cordial Cock" were deemed market-adverse.
    2. Re:Alphabeticism? by Hillbert · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the Ubuntu wiki:

      "For all of our sanity we are going to try to keep these names alphabetical after Breezy. We might skip letters, and we'll have to wrap eventually. But the naming convention is here for a while longer, at least."

    3. Re:Alphabeticism? by miro+f · · Score: 2, Informative

      why does everybody forget Warty Warthog? won't somebody please think of the warthog!

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    4. Re:Alphabeticism? by CurbyKirby · · Score: 1

      Just wait till they get to Inebriated Iguana and Vomiting Vixen. They're all possible, according to the list.

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    5. Re:Alphabeticism? by gr8whitesavage · · Score: 1

      Around the watercooler they are saying Flirting Fruitybat is the next release name; Slippery Seahorse was not far behind.

    6. Re:Alphabeticism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I vote for "Creepy Cruise", in honor to our favorite scientologist...

    7. Re:Alphabeticism? by jrutley · · Score: 1

      The first release was Warty Warthog. So much for that theory. :|

    8. Re:Alphabeticism? by mikefe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Believe me. They're not a vixen anymore when their head is in the bowl.

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    9. Re:Alphabeticism? by vishbar · · Score: 1

      Oops.

      Forgot that one. Heh.

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    10. Re:Alphabeticism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You bastard! I just had coffee coming out my nostrils! :-)

    11. Re:Alphabeticism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would Ubuntu care? They had no problem having naked people as the default desktop background in one of teh earlier releases.

    12. Re:Alphabeticism? by caudron · · Score: 1

      Are they going in alphabetical order? [...] they had Hoary Hedgehog, but then they went Breezy Badger, Dapper Drake, and Edgy Eft

      I'm no alphabetologist, but I'd say you answered your own question. ;-)

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    13. Re:Alphabeticism? by xerxesdaphat · · Score: 1

      On the Ubuntu naming page, they said that after Breezy Badger they would try to make them alphabetical. They also mentioned they might skip a few and eventually (will it ever get that far? 13 years? I guess it sounds feasible) they will have to wrap back around. But yeah, they're trying to keep them sort of alphabetical.

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    14. Re:Alphabeticism? by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      If they'd wanted market-adverse names they would have gone with: Aging Anteater and Cranky Cow, though Cordial Cock has that almost dirty sound to it.... and I once new an Avid Ass, I worked at a post-production studio as an intern and that guy was so not cool....

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    15. Re:Alphabeticism? by MoxFulder · · Score: 1

      In homage to GNU, I suggest that the next Ubuntu codename after Edgy Eft should be Wily Wildebeest.

  12. They think they are being clever by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's real prevelant in the OSS world, unfortunately. Clever names that, well, aren't. OGG Vorbis is a good example. It just sounds... Odd. It's not descriptive of function and doesn't have a cool ring to it. I think that's part of the problem with adoption. MP3 sounds cool (so does AAC). They are the nifty-technology acronyms and they are easy to say.

    OSS people need to think more marketing driven. Had I been the one in charge of making the Ogg Vorbis thing, I probably would have looked at calling it something that made reference to MP3. Call it MP5 maybe, for 5th Gen Music Packer. Something that's clearly intended to draw a reference to MP3. If not something so direct, then think up a cool acronym, and figure out something that works for it. AAC is good, nice acronym, good name (Advanced Audio Codec). Sounds all high tech and shit.

    Same thing with shit like GIMP. Ok so the full name, GNU Image Manipulation Program isn't horrible, but calling it GIMP is fucking stupid. For nearly everyone the assocation is either Pulp Fiction, or a crippled person. Not something you want. Now Photoshop, that's a good name. Says what it does, sounds cool, conjures up ideas of picture editing, which is indeed what it's for.

    So I'm not at all suppirsed to see Ubutnu (which is odd to Western ears at any rate) doing stuff like this. I'm sure they think it's terribly cool and clever, and I'm sure many people agree with them. However I'm also pretty sure they haven't thought it over marketing wise.

    1. Re:They think they are being clever by Scooter's_dad · · Score: 2, Funny

      So I'm not at all suppirsed to see Ubutnu (which is odd to Western ears at any rate...

      Ubuntu sounds odd enough to Western ears. Ubutnu sound positively pornographic. (Where can I download it?)

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    2. Re:They think they are being clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      AAC sounds cool? wtf? What are you smoking? Both appreviations you mentioned are mostly spoken spelling out the abbreviation (how cool, I can say letters/numbers). Ogg is at least easily pronouncible, or if you want to spell it out, its just as easy as AAC and sounds better. And the full name, Ogg Vorbis, does give some kind of hint to what it is (Vorbis = Verbal, beginnings are the same... and the the matching video codec, Ogg Theora, Theora's start sounds like theatre. I've always thought the Ogg names were really well done.

    3. Re:They think they are being clever by ettlz · · Score: 1
      Ubutnu sound positively pornographic.
      I'm still trying to get my head around the logo.
    4. Re:They think they are being clever by PCM2 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      OSS people need to think more marketing driven. Had I been the one in charge of making the Ogg Vorbis thing, I probably would have looked at calling it something that made reference to MP3. Call it MP5 maybe, for 5th Gen Music Packer.
      But then, that would have been really stupid, because MP3 doesn't stand for "Third Gen Music Packer" and there is no Audio Layer 5 of the MPEG standard, so your name would actually have had nothing to do with MP3. I'll take a silly-sounding brand name over a technically inaccurate one any day.
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    5. Re:They think they are being clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you on everything but MP3 and AAC. MP3 "got there first"...it's a clumsy name at best, but it's the one everyone knew FIRST. Personally I hated the acronym the first time I heard it.

      AAC? Bland. Meaningless. Not cool at all. And not heard outside of iTunes, if at all. Go ahead, mention "AAC" to a non-geek person and bask in the glow of a blank, confused face.

      I heartily agree with you about the GIMP. I still grind my teeth saying it..I hated "Pulp Fiction," and think the acronym is horrible.

    6. Re:They think they are being clever by pnot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      OGG Vorbis is a good example. It just sounds... Odd. It's not descriptive of function and doesn't have a cool ring to it.

      A "cool ring" is something of a subjective matter, don't you think? Personally I think that Ogg Vorbis sounds far cooler than MP3.

      Same thing with shit like GIMP. Ok so the full name, GNU Image Manipulation Program isn't horrible, but calling it GIMP is fucking stupid

      Yes, if they'd called it something else---why, it might have become the world's most popular open source graphics application by now! Oh, wait, hang on...

      So I'm not at all suppirsed to see Ubutnu (which is odd to Western ears at any rate) doing stuff like this.

      Yeah, if they hadn't called it Ubuntu---why, it could be one of the world's most popular Linux distros by now! Oh, hang on...

    7. Re:They think they are being clever by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      Ok but you are being an over-pedantic geek, which is not the mass market. "Edgey Eft" isn't an accurate name either, as an OS has nothing to do with a newt, much less an edgey one (if they can even be edgey).

      For that matter companies do shit like what I was tlaking about all the time. Apple encodes files as "MP4" files. By your argument, that's bad because it's not MPEG-1, Layer-4, there's no such thing. The correct extension would be MPEG or MPG. It's jsut an MPEG transport stream. Doesn't matter what's in it. DivX files in AVI transport are still .avi not .divx. Just because there's MPEG-4 content, doesn't mean it's different. However Apple knows that MP4 is going to create the "one better than MP3" impression. MPEG is too associated with old, large, low rez stuff since most MPEGs for computer are MPEG-1 video, Layer-2 audio.

      My point was that they should have picked a name for OGG Vorbis that sounds good and high technology. Ogg just makes non tech people go "Huh?" Coopting on the MP3 thing would have been a good way to go.

    8. Re:They think they are being clever by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it's not entirely subjective. There are lots of firms that get paid to research this shit. There are names that work, and names that don't, and you can test for it.

      By the way GIMP is not a popular image editor, not even close. It's "popular" with the Linux crowd in so far as it's all that ships with most distros in that category and it's one o fthe only ones available. However it's by far in the minority. Photoshop (and it's lightweight Elements version) are the most popular, with Paint Shop Pro being second. I don't know after that, wouldn't supprise me if it was Paint.NET.

      Using Ubutnu as an example is a bad idea because you are talking about OSS people who can use works like "grep, awk, and sed" in a conversation and not find it at all weird (you should see the look mom gave me when I was talking about grep, it got even more confused when I spelled out the acronym for her). Also I wouldn't tout it too heavily. Popular? Sure,. More popular than RedHat or Debain? You'd have to prove that to me.

      You are confusing markets. Geeks don't tend to care much about shit like what something looks like or what it's called. You can call your webserver ShitServ for all I care, if it's a good product, I'll use it (though I might change the version stright it reports). However I am talking about mass-market stuff here. For normal users, style matters a LOT. Look at the iPod. It wasn't some magical MP3 player that was tons better than any other. No what it did was make MP3 players cool. They weren't a geek toy anymore, but something that was hip to own. All about the style and the marketing. If you took the same player, but made it shit-brown and called it the AHPMP (Advanced Highly Portable Music Player) and advertised it was spartan ads, you'd sell all of none, despite the functionality being the same as the iPod.

    9. Re:They think they are being clever by Dionysus · · Score: 1
      No, it's not entirely subjective. There are lots of firms that get paid to research this shit. There are names that work, and names that don't, and you can test for it.


      Yeah, the kind of firm that took a name like Silicon Graphics, Inc. (SGI) and named it sgi.
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    10. Re:They think they are being clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of Ulnar Blutman's Moving and Transport, which became Tambu.

    11. Re:They think they are being clever by anethema · · Score: 1

      As far as Ubuntu beeing most popular, this may help persuade you...

      http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularit y

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    12. Re:They think they are being clever by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      But it's not "GIMP", it's "The GIMP".

    13. Re:They think they are being clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AAC uses MPEG-4, not MPEG-1 Layer 4.

    14. Re:They think they are being clever by pnot · · Score: 1

      No, it's not entirely subjective. There are lots of firms that get paid to research this shit.

      Indeed; I was merely pointing out that *your* opinion that "Ogg Vorbis doesn't sound cool" is no more objectively useful than my opinion that it does.

      There are names that work, and names that don't, and you can test for it.

      I'm not contesting that. I'm contesting your claim that Ubuntu is a name that "doesn't work". I have no doubt that Canonical *did* do some market research before going with that name.

      C'mon. Mark Shuttleworth was a self-made billionaire by the age of 26. I'm sure he's heard of "marketing". And I'm sure he takes his marketing advice from professionals rather than the likes of you and me.

      By the way GIMP is not a popular image editor, not even close.

      I alluded to it as "the world's most popular open source graphics application". I stand by this assessment.

      Using Ubutnu as an example is a bad idea because you are talking about OSS people

      Well then, show me a counterexample. Name me a Linux distribution which (1) has a "sensible" (by your criteria) name and (2) has achieved success comparable to Ubuntu. SUSE, Mandriva, Knoppix, Mepis, Debian, and Fedora are hardly descriptive names for an operating system either.

      However I am talking about mass-market stuff here. For normal users, style matters a LOT. Look at the iPod.

      We were talking about names; I don't really want to get into an argument about "style", and I don't contest your astonishing claims that the iPod's success was largely down to slick styling and marketing.

      If you wish to stay on the topic of descriptive naming as a success factor in the computing industry, you might wish to consider the wisdom of naming a computer the "Apple Macintosh". The whattle whatintosh? That doesn't sound like a computer, it sounds like a raincoat for fruit! It'll never take off. Oh, hang on...

    15. Re:They think they are being clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean by 'Western ears'? Doesn't sound that odd to Spanish speakers (that's most of America, which is the only continent completely in the western hemisphere, btw), 'photoshop' is very weird, though, doesn't fit with the phonology of many (most?) languages. English is a rather odd language in some respects, particularly vowels. Native English speakers are *really* easy to detect when they speak another language, save for a few cases.

    16. Re:They think they are being clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uhhh, dude. you realise that macintosh is a subspecies of apple, same as "red delicios" or "granny smith" right? as a matter of fact most apple pies are made with macintosh apples 1. because they are tart and 2. they do not cook down into total mush

    17. Re:They think they are being clever by Anthony+Liguori · · Score: 1

      OSS people need to think more marketing driven.

      No, they don't. Market driven is boring. People don't work late at night in their free time to do boring things. Successful Open Source projects are all about having fun. Open Source developers are weird and quirky. The only people who care about Open Source being "market driven" are people who expect Open Source to be exactly like commercial software but free. That's not what it is and that's never what it will be.

      It's free, stop complaining.

    18. Re:They think they are being clever by Flame0001 · · Score: 1
      Many different things in the tech world have to create a name for themselves in order to become a household name. Names don't need to be descriptive, either. Linux is a good example of this - it's not descriptive in the least. Neither is Windows, and that hasn't stopped them from becoming as popular as they have. Hell, if it weren't for the iPod video, most consumers would have no clue what an MP4 even was.

      In any case, Ubuntu's names are descriptive of the technology inside. Warty Warthog was an early release that was ugly and buggy. Hoary Hedgehog was a release that looked nicer, and was eating bugs left and right. Breezy Badger was much more user-friendly and desktop-friendly. Dapper Drake looks very nice, and has many bugs taken out. Edgy Eft will be the release with the newest toys, and truly start to shine in the OS department as a desktop replacement.

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      Slashdot, the only place where intellectuals can act like idiots... and still sound intellectual.
    19. Re:They think they are being clever by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      Yes, I can see how MP3, or "MPEG-1, layer 3" really has a ring to it, and very clearly shows what the technology is used for. AAC is (technically) better, as it actually stands for "audio" in part, but most people don't know what the acronym stands for, they just hear "AAC".

    20. Re:They think they are being clever by chiskop · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu sounds odd enough to Western ears. Ubutnu sound positively pornographic.

      And what, Longhorn is a more professional and, to Western ears, a less pornographic name?

    21. Re:They think they are being clever by Gleng · · Score: 1
      Personally I think that Ogg Vorbis sounds far cooler than MP3.

      Interestingly, Ogg and Vorbis are both surnames of Discworld characters. (Nanny Ogg, and High Priest Vorbis.) I don't know if it's intentional or a coincidence, but it's pretty cool nonetheless.

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    22. Re:They think they are being clever by Alioth · · Score: 1

      What, more marketing driven - like Microsoft Axapta, which you can't tell how it's spelled when someone says it (and it sounds like the noise a toy gun makes), or Intel Viiv which sounds like the noise a spaced out moron makes?

    23. Re:They think they are being clever by somersault · · Score: 1

      Vorb and verb are clearly not the same, nor do I associate the word verbal with digital audio usually. And OGG just makes me think of Nanny Ogg from DiscWorld. Dont really want a dirty old witch singing her songs through XMMS. If they didn't use OGG files in Operation Flashpoint then .. well I still dont use it, so if they hand't done that, then I'd think it was a stupid name and superfluous!

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    24. Re:They think they are being clever by somersault · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of Open Source OSs/tools being used in commercial situations, though you are right in that the two are different, and OSS just does seem more 'fun'. But as well as being, fun, it also does need to be 'marketed' in a way if you want your OS to be anything other than a quirky little toy. You need to advertise to other geeks and open source contributors that your it is a worthwhile project.

      If you want to be able to use your preferred OS at work, or *gasp* you like to play commercial games, and dont see why there shouldn't be any for your OS (since it is better than other commercial OSs), you are going to need some kind of marketing type thinking to attract users and developers. I dont like marketing either, but I wish there were more people like Mark Shuttleworth, who appear to have the brains to appreciate things like Linux, and also are willing to invest time and money promoting it (even if it's going to net him a profit, and I dont know the profit margins, it's still a good thing to do). I'm sure if someone 'for free' kicked me in the nuts, I'd complain. I'd complain even if Windows was free. Just because Linux and other open source projects are free, doesn't mean that they shouldnt be used for other things than 'having fun'. Think of something like Apache or MySQL to see how open source projects can be very useful in a commercial environment. I can't help but feel that a successful open source project should be all about providing a working useful piece of software. Freeware games should be about having fun. Open source projects may sometimes be more fun to work on than commercial ones, but that is not what it's 'all about'

      In fact, you are Linux' 'market', there will be some kind of marketting model that can be applied to the way open source projects spread I'm sure.

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    25. Re:They think they are being clever by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1
      Linux is a good example of this - it's not descriptive in the least.
      I agree. It doessn't even remotley remind me of Linus. Or unix. Or Linus' unix. At all. In fact, I have no idea (sorry RMS, gnu/no idea) why those words sprang to mind.
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    26. Re:They think they are being clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is "AAC" pronounced "aaack!! pbbbttt!!"

    27. Re:They think they are being clever by namekuseijin · · Score: 1

      "Photoshop, that's a good name" yeah and pretty friggin obvious and unimaginative too. Word, Windows... how many companies can come up with good product names by simply being very direct and obvious? Can i name a new window manager for X like "New Windows"? Let's rename GIMP like "Photoshop-Killer" or simply very obtuse like "Image Editor", will ya? you'll soon realize trying to trademark common everyday words is pretty hard...

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    28. Re:They think they are being clever by mconstable · · Score: 1

      I mostly agree with your sentiments about less than optimal brand names for various projects. Trying to tell non-linux folks that there is an almost cool paint program on linux called "the gimp" generally goes down like a lead balloon as a first impression. "photoshop" has nothing to fear as the iconic program and label to indicate exactly what it does.

      As for "ogg"... I absolutely and unconditionally blame that name for the miserable adoption of Ogg-Vorbis and rate it (the naming thereof) as one of the greatest avoidable tragedies in the known FLOSS universe. Podcasting has now so entrenched mp3 as the canonical digital audio format that it'll never be unseated from that crowning glory. Before the podcasting wave hit there was a slim chance that Ogg-Vorbis could have gotten a stronger foothold but the average jock out there would be hard pressed to be convinced that something with such an ughful name could possible be worth even trying out. Now if they had of simply called it "mpx", for "mp3 extended", then I, for one, am sure that joe average jock would have easily "got it" and at least tried it out with some confidence that this new fangled "new mp3 thing" was worth the effort. It would have been an easy sell with some sort of name that implied "you know, the next big thing beyond mp3". But then, from guys that call themselves Xiph (which is vaguely cool) what could we expect. Such a pity. A simple name thing totally blew it and we'll now have to live with crapful mp3... forever.

      I wager that if anyone put up a new site proclaiming the virtues of some new mpx digital audio standard and made a half decent attempt at "marketting" and projecting this "new" format that it would surpass standard Ogg-Vorbis saturation within a year... even though it was all a stunt and simply a rebranded ogg system. Go on someone, do it!

    29. Re:They think they are being clever by MoxFulder · · Score: 1
      No, it's not entirely subjective. There are lots of firms that get paid to research this shit. There are names that work, and names that don't, and you can test for it.
      All well and good, but my understanding is those folks don't exactly work pro bono, and few in the FLOSS community have those skills.

      I don't think most of the truly great free software depends heavily on traditional marketing for its popularity. I think Linux's high reputation is the CAUSE as much as the CONSEQUENCE of companies like Red Hat putting it in a flashy box and sending out brochures. And programmers use Emacs cause it works. And my girlfriend plays Freeciv cause it's addictive. And everyone and their mom uses Gaim, even on windows, because it's better than AOL Instant Messenger.

      Let's face it, all kinds of commercial professionally produced brand names would sound weird if they weren't produced in a specific context. Take the iPod for instance: that would be a funny name if Apple et al. hadn't been making iEverything for many years before, and hadn't launched a huge $$$$$$$ ad campaign to sell it.
  13. Good letter by FishandChips · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's hard not to warm to this announcement, imho. It is written in a clear style by someone who comes across as open, approachable and not afraid to take risks. Such a contrast to corporate chiefs who bark out orders, rubbish their competitors or spout incomprehensible jargon written for them by a marketing droid. OK the names for Ubuntu releases may be a bit eccentric but this cool, direct approach is what attracts me to Linux. It's my PC to do with as I wish and it absolutely doesn't have to have a toad from the office or authentication central inside it.

    Just my 2 cents, but I think Ubuntu does have some pretty big challenges in front of it quite apart from incorporating "edgy" new technology. It needs to find a self-sustaining financial model and some kind of interface with business and the enterprise, which the Dapper release is meant to kick off, I believe. Anyway, Kudos to them.

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    1. Re:Good letter by njh · · Score: 1

      doesn't have to have a toad from the office or authentication central inside it.

      But a newt or duck is fine?

    2. Re:Good letter by dcapel · · Score: 1

      While it has a basis of a nice financial model going (support-based, certification, etc), it really doesn't need one.

      There is enough cash behind it to keep it running for a LONG time, even assuming no additional infusions of cash.

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    3. Re:Good letter by MoxFulder · · Score: 1
      There is enough cash behind it to keep it running for a LONG time, even assuming no additional infusions of cash.
      Umm... that assumes that Mark Shuttleworth doesn't mind continuing to spend his money on Ubuntu at a moderate but steady rate. I believe he's been entirely benevolent and awesome as patron of Ubuntu, but his generosity *is* the prime source of funding and that isn't great for the long term.
  14. Ah, I found them on the ubuntu wiki! by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Ah, I found them on the ubuntu wiki! by Dragoonmac · · Score: 1

      I love some of the combinations on that list.

      RE:Trying to install Ubuntu 7.13 -Flashy Ferret.
      First disconnect all bling from system and reboot, then allow the kernel time to build a den. I reccomend uninstalling The older Running Rabbit modules before continueing as they will likely be devoured for RAM

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    2. Re:Ah, I found them on the ubuntu wiki! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they don't use "Yakkity Yak", they need to burn. >_>

    3. Re:Ah, I found them on the ubuntu wiki! by kabz · · Score: 1

      Excellent, can hardly wait for "Itchy Iguana" and "Jovial Jellyfish". If I can run XP on VMWare, then I may switch to using Ubuntu.

      I've definitely got a taste for this after running Parallels on OS X, but I'd rather do it for free...

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    4. Re:Ah, I found them on the ubuntu wiki! by jlarocco · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for the "Hippy Hamster", "Kinky Koala" and "Pretty Pony" releases, myself.

    5. Re:Ah, I found them on the ubuntu wiki! by Elminst · · Score: 1

      OMG POnies!!!1

      (if ever there was a time for this post, this is it ;) )

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    6. Re:Ah, I found them on the ubuntu wiki! by advocate_one · · Score: 1
      If I can run XP on VMWare, then I may switch to using Ubuntu.

      I'm running XP on VMware... what's stopping you from running Ubuntu then?

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    7. Re:Ah, I found them on the ubuntu wiki! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hyperactive Hippo, Jumpy Jellyfish, Ludicrous Lemming, Manic Monkey, Nipply Nightelf, Oscillating Ostrich, Purring Penguin, Roasted Rhino, Traumatized Tarantula, Ultimate Urchin are what I am looking forward to..

  15. Because nobody wants an.... by StressGuy · · Score: 1

    Extreme Elephant

    Seriously though, I hope that, with all these improvements they keep Ubuntu clean and simple, it's what I like most about it. A good selection of packages to start with and, if you want more, you can get what you need through the repositories.

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  16. I don't know if I understand/agree with Mark... by dalutong · · Score: 1

    As I understand it, he is saying that this can be a more risky release with more experimentation because people can always say "well, dapper is the stable one. Use that for production systems." Won't that hurt your credibility, if you have different releases of different quality? Wouldn't it be smarter to have a "risk team" playing around for the next release while the current release is being polished so that when the rest of the team starts working on the next release there's already been enough time on it to make sure it is production quality? (You could switch up who gets to be on the risk team if people are complaining that they don't get to have fun.)

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    1. Re:I don't know if I understand/agree with Mark... by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Won't that hurt your credibility, if you have different releases of different quality?

      Not really. From day one with Dapper Mark has planned for it to be a higher quality release. For example, he plans to support it longer than the rest. Why did he do this? Well for one many people don't like an upgrade every six months. I talk to some people that think that Windows upgrades (like SP2) come around too quickly. The Dapper release is for these people. If the corporate world wants, it can skip from Dapper quality release to Dapper quality release (as such will be released every two years) while being supported the entire way.

      A problem with Dapper is that "higher quality" also means "more boring." Ubuntu is meant to be on the bleeding edge, but with Dapper less risks were taken. Edgy will fix this problem and bring Ubuntu back to the edge once more.

      Wouldn't it be smarter to have a "risk team" playing around for the next release while the current release is being polished so that when the rest of the team starts working on the next release there's already been enough time on it to make sure it is production quality?

      There are many things needed to make a production quality Linux OS. Ubuntu is a slave to its release cycle- if the programs are ready when Ubuntu releases then it will be a good release. Dapper is more "corporate worthy" than say Breezy because when it releases it will have many landmark pieces of software in it - a non buggy OpenOffice 2, Firefox 1.5, etc. Mark can't change the release dates for all software used in Ubuntu, so some releases will just have to be worse than others for this reason.

      Plus, making every release of equal quality will cost a lot more....

    2. Re:I don't know if I understand/agree with Mark... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Dapper is the one that is to be supported for 5 years on the server and 3 years on the desktop. I believe the plan for Ubuntu is to only have one release every 2 years with this level of support. So if you do want stability install Dapper and wait 2-5 years until you upgrade. Basically the releases are of different quality which is why Dapper Drake was delayed for more polish. Having this length of support for all releases would increase the cost substantially for what gain? And splitting the teams to be working on two releases simlulataneously is just inefficient. Most businesses don't need a release every 2 years, isn't there something like 50% of companies still using Windows 2000?

      This decision makes sense to me, nobody really needs to upgrade every 6 months it is just that some people like to be up to date, so if you want extra stability stick with Dapper until the next release of that quality, or if you don't, take your chances with the releases in-between. I would still expect the next release to be fairly stable though, otherwise it is their responsibilty to pull these planned features out rather than have an unstable release, but they can at least attempt to include them.

    3. Re:I don't know if I understand/agree with Mark... by dalutong · · Score: 1

      OKay.. I see what you're saying. But how will people know which releases are which. (meaning laypersons)

      Also, I didn't realize that ONLY this release was going to have the extended support. I thought it was from now on they were making releases that would get the longer support. So the in-between, risky, releases will use the breezy support model?

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    4. Re:I don't know if I understand/agree with Mark... by atezun · · Score: 1

      "Wouldn't it be smarter to have a "risk team" playing around for the next release while the current release is being polished so that when the rest of the team starts working on the next release there's already been enough time on it to make sure it is production quality?"

      They have this already, it's called DEBIAN. As I recall, the dissatisfaction with that model is one o0f the things that brought Ubuntu to the forefront in the first place. Well, that and the free discs.

  17. I don't know... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Pop it on the Bar-B, let's see how this extreme elephant tastes!

  18. youthful eft? by dotpavan · · Score: 2, Funny

    confirmed: the homepage would be myspace.com :)

  19. I say start the flamewar by PCM2 · · Score: 1

    Strongly dislike Ubuntu? I've yet to hear any reason for that other than "the name sounds stupid." So by all means, elaborate.

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    1. Re:I say start the flamewar by scenestar · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It's the linspire of debian.

      now usually that would't be such a big fucking deal, but seeign as this shitty distro is gaining popularity so fast due to the miracles of apt we could soon be stuck with the noobie shitness of ubuntu provided as on OEM.

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    2. Re:I say start the flamewar by jpardey · · Score: 1

      What makes it Linspirey? I think it is just what everyone wanted, a version of Debian that is targeted towards home use rather than server use. No need to worry about what MTA settings to use, hostname, etc (as far as I know, I haven't had the chance to try it).

      Is it worse than SuSE? If so, then I don't want to touch it.

      When they release "Linspirey Lion," let me know.

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    3. Re:I say start the flamewar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what if more people start using Ubuntu? Will it make your rice burning Gentoo installation any less neat? Will the girls not like you as much anymore?

      Get over yourself, it's a free OS, for christ's sake.

    4. Re:I say start the flamewar by Yosho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that the original poster was hoping for some logical, specific arguments rather than name calling. Could you try to do that, please?

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    5. Re:I say start the flamewar by thephotoman · · Score: 1

      Actually, Linspire is the Linspire of Debian. Or did you forget that Linspire is a member of the DCC Alliance?

      But seriously, apt is truly a wonderful thing. Sure, it doesn't have the ricer appeal of Portage*, that child of Python and Subversion, but it's quick and it works far better than RPM or a Windows MSI. As for apt, it came from Debian as well.

      *No, I've never used Gentoo, as I have far more important things to do than a Stage 1 install, which while no longer supported, is how I'd want to do it. It's an interesting concept, really.

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    6. Re:I say start the flamewar by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      It's the linspire of debian.
      wasn't lindows (as it was known at the time people were making a big deal about it) a debian branch too? (i dunno if the current linspire stuff still is or not)

      unless you were prepared to stick with either stuff from the distro or stuff developed in house running stuff on woody was becoming a major pita due to the fact that opensource devs tend to develop on bleeding edge distros (not that i like this practice but its a fact of life in the linux world). Also woody lacked autoconfiguration of X making installing desktop systems with it difficult.

      running sarge is fine atm but it remains to be seen if they will get etch out in a reasonable timeframe. If not yet more people will be driven to the second tier distros that prepare thier own releases from debian unstable (ubuntu is the big one right now largely because its free and essentially has a wealthy sponsor but there were others in the past).

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    7. Re:I say start the flamewar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This one is easy. Ubuntu is gnome-centric, and Gnome sucks. Want the best cd burning app available? Sure, use K3B. The best audio player? Amarok. File manager? Krusader or Konqueror. A nice, easy to use programmer's editor? Kate. Latex editor? Kile... the list goes on and on.

      In Gnome, you've got so few applications that don't suck, and the majority of them are not even truly Gnome applications. Why is everyone supporting and pumping resources into this mess is beyond me. Oh, well, no wonder it's not the year of Desktop Linux once more. With pitiful Gnome, it'll never be.

      There, you've got your flamewar.

  20. Re:I'll wait for Flat Flounder or Garish Grasshopp by gclef · · Score: 1

    I'm rooting for them to shift to rappers after the animal thing's done. Easy-E, Marky Mark...there's a huge collection waiting to be used. As a plus, a rapper-themed naming scheme has built-in celebrity endorsement tie-ins. ("Use Ubuntu, yo! Fo Shiz!")

  21. Re:Don't use... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could have written your entire remark in ubuntu codenames:

    Duped Debian

    F*cking Fork

    Karma Kameleon

  22. Re:I'll wait for Flat Flounder or Garish Grasshopp by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    As a plus, a rapper-themed naming scheme has built-in celebrity endorsement tie-ins. ("Use Ubuntu, yo! Fo Shiz!")

    I don't know, open-sourcey, info-wants-to-be-free, sandal-wearing Ubuntu-ites may not exactly hit it off with the rapper crowd. I mean, there are enough mixed messages in rap already: "He had what I wanted, so I wacked him and took it. Me so blingy! But remember kids, it's bad to download and steal my music, um, because I don't actually wack people for their bling, I um... work with my corporate partners and representatives to sell entertainment and make more money in a year posing than you will in your entire life doing an hard day's physical labor. Um, Yo!, also."

    So, I guess we'll need a new naming theme. I think Norse mythology, maybe. Fuzzy Freia, Luscious Loki, and Thistly Thor, perhaps.

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  23. It's called fun by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe you've heard of it. That's what us open source developers do, have fun. If you don't want to use our software, fine, don't.

    What's the difference between open source software an proprietary software?

    Open source software is made by engineers.
    Proprietary software is made by managers.

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    1. Re:It's called fun by xeon4life · · Score: 1

      I want software made by artists.

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    2. Re:It's called fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Made by engineers. Got it.

    3. Re:It's called fun by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 1
      I want software made by artists.

      Software engineering is an art in its own right. It takes a lot of creativity to program well.....

    4. Re:It's called fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry guy, software engineering is definitely not an art. Keep trying though.

    5. Re:It's called fun by killjoe · · Score: 1

      Then I suggest you go to the local gallery and ask some of the artists there to write software for you.

      When they do be sure to piss all over them and tell them how much it sucks too, I hear they love that.

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    6. Re:It's called fun by Hast · · Score: 1

      Fortunately software engineering is less of a form of craft than software development used to be. (I'd claim that craftmanship in many ways is an art.) When I'm developing and when I'm being artistic (photography mainly) I use pretty opposite criteria for my work.

      When I develop I try to make things work. When I'm artistic I try to make things pretty.

      That doesn't stop me from inserting intellectual stuff in my development though (but not so much in my professional work).

      In my opinion people who consider computer programming an art hold "art" in much too high esteem.

  24. Re:I'll wait for Flat Flounder or Garish Grasshopp by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you run Windows? Which version? Memphis? Cairo? Whistler? Longhorn? Or maybe you're a Mac guy. So would that be Cheetah? Panther? Tiger? Leopard? Of course, now that they've moved to Intel chips you can run either one on your Yonah CPU.

    Everyone does it, it doesn't hurt anyone, and you can always call it by the version number if you really want. Well, except for Windows :P*

    *(yes, I know there really is a version number but it won't mean much to most people)

  25. Re:Don't use... by jpardey · · Score: 1

    If you are talking about burning karma, perhaps "Karma Komodo Dragon" would work better...

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  26. How about a water cannon to your flamethrower... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think everyone with a brain agrees... Debian is cool, Ubuntuu is cool... Debian Stable is the awsome server, Ubuntu is pretty with all the new cool apps. The deal is... there are all these drones out there that are screaming Debian sucks, Debian is dead, and all of that cursing... but the fact is, Ubuntu is the child of Debian, and if you like Ubuntu, you should thank Debian.

    If we look at Ubuntuu posts as having the Debian spiral as an honoring of Debian, cool... but it is hard to do with all of these mifs out there trying to stir it up and naysay those of us who still love and use debian... it is annoying and it is well... really to be honest... hurtful... as hirtful as the RTFM's that we were talking about earlier today in a nother post...

    The Debian community is the essence of geekdon and in that they are the soul of opensource... it does not mean they are fitted for mainstream... but man... are they a great backbone for mainstream...

    Personally, i would dig it if the ran the ubuntu website on a debian server just to show respect...

    anyway.... sorta a ramble... but... no flame... but maybee a couple of buckets of water on y'alls heads for stirring stuff up amidst the two OS's that should exhibit the most familial of love for each other...

    come on... feel the love... have compassion for people who still love the old debian install, that love a collection of stable bulletproof packages... Is there a reason to notlike Debian? is it a threat? No...it is something every Ubuntu user should try to support... and Debian users should love the fact that they have offspring... an d that with every spinoff that comes from debian, the world is more cemented in debians package management...

    if ya have hate... take it somewhere else... email it to billg@microsoft.mpl (the new monopoly domain that microsoft is thinking of patenting.)

    but not amongst the empirical "us".

    8-)

  27. Re:I'll wait for Flat Flounder or Garish Grasshopp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, for one, welcome our new Ubuntu Playful Platypus overlods.

  28. Forking-A by shelterpaw · · Score: 0

    It may be a blatant for, but it sure as hell a good one. Sure, use Debian if you're fairly savvy and want to build a specialized server, but if you just want a desktop system, then Ubuntu is perfect. Debian for the hardcore and Ubuntu for the softcore. Oh and I have bad bad karma...

  29. Brainstorming... by 9mm+Censor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Freakin' Franklin Gonzo George Holy Holistics Invisible Irwin Joyful Juliet Kingsized Kings Laughable Lables Micky Mouse Nourished Nigerians Outstanding Opensource Pornographic Phonographs Quenched Quickens Real Reasons Super Skidmarks Triumphant Tubas Upsidedown Umbrellas Victorious Villans Wicked Wakasachi Xtreme Xenocide Yelling Yams Zaney Zoolander (its linux, fuck copyright)

    1. Re:Brainstorming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Second word should be an animal name or a specific gender or immature name of an animal (hedgehog, warthog, drake (male duck), eft (young newt), badger). So you'll have to try harder :)

      Only Micky Mouse fulfills that criterion, and it fails on the first word which should be an adjective - unless you are implying a Celtic mouse?

    2. Re:Brainstorming... by Beren · · Score: 1

      You misspelled "wakazashi" :)

    3. Re:Brainstorming... by AstronomicUID · · Score: 1

      You both misspelled wakizashi. Ummhhh.. so that's what it feels to be a spelling Nazi.

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  30. You say that like it's a bad thing by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The ability to fork software away from bureaucracy is one of the greatest strengths of open source. I wish I could do that at my place of work.

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  31. And just when you thought weapon names couldn't by Arivia · · Score: 1

    get any worse, Wizards of the Coast introduces the successor to such blockbuster swords as Excalibur, Blackrazor, and Stormbringer: Edgy Eft!

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  32. Re:I'll wait for Flat Flounder or Garish Grasshopp by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    Everyone does it, it doesn't hurt anyone, and you can always call it by the version number if you really want

    I know, you're right that everyone uses project code names. Traditionally, that was so that it could be referred to in in-house correspondence, at least for a while, without so much of a risk that if such stuff got out that it would directly wreck some market position or give competition something to chew on. After that it just plain became fashionable. I've even all for that. It's just the... well, deliberate goofiness that these particular guys use that I'm making a little fun of. They can certainly call it anything they want - it's just that their urge to make it such a warm-n-fuzzy is a little cloying, that's all. You're right to point that stuff out though - I didn't mean to come across like I didn't know about the wider practice.

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  33. Re:Don't use... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You obviously did not grow up in the 80s

  34. Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by poopie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, I get Ubuntu versioning, but jeez... this version name sucks. The only suckier name I can remember is when SuSE named their Chamelion maskot "Geeko".

    I initially thought Ubunutu was a bad name for a distro, but it's growing on me.

    I thought Warty Warthog was a *GREAT* name for a "beta" or early release.

    I thought Hoary Hedgehog was a dumb name - Hoary?!? Hoary???

    Breezy Badger was a dumb name for a release. I mean... what end of the badger is the breeze coming from?!?

    Dapper Drake was a less sucky name.

    But... Edgy Eft! That's the worst yet! *NOBODY* knows what an eft is.

    How many times are Ubuntu fans going to have to answer the following question: What the F___ is an EFT?

    1. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by nuzak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Yeah, I get Ubuntu versioning, but jeez... this version name sucks. The only suckier name I can remember is when SuSE named their Chamelion maskot "Geeko".

      What about Mandriva?

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    2. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by kgbspy · · Score: 1

      Electronic Funds Transfer! Sheesh...

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    3. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your Breezy Badger comment was hillarious, I always thought of it as a polar bear or something, never considered the breeze would come from the badger :P

      I agree about the Eft part though, Edgy Eagle would sound better but I think it would probably be incompatible with the Xubuntu XFCE rodent :P

    4. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by Almond+Tree · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Edgy Eft is a stupid name" by an obvious connoisseur named Poopie. All is right in the universe.

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    5. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The confusing thing is the similarity in pronunciation between:
      Our new release will be called Edgy Eft.
      and
      Our new release has a really F'd up name.

      -Sk

    6. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by killjoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These are code names, not the name of the product. The name of the product will be ubuntu + versionnumber just like all the other software packages in the world.

      You are merely complaining because they let you know what the internal code name for the project is. Sheeesh, get a life will you.

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    7. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      See, and they're wasting their opportunity to use "Extinct Elaphrosaurus" too! It's just not fair.

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    8. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by pato101 · · Score: 2, Funny
      hat's the worst yet! *NOBODY* knows what an eft is.
      As spanish guy, I have to admit that I don't know the meaning of these words:

      Warty, Warthog, Hoary, Hedgehog, Breezy, Badger, Dapper, Drake

      Furthermore, I have to admit as well, what a shame, that when I heard of "Warty Warthog" and "Hoary Hedgehog" i supposed they were talking about victorian explorers... in pair of "livingstone" et al. My knowledge in history is very low :-P.

    9. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      So you're saying that no-one is going to ever have to type

      deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu eft main restricted

      and so on into their sources.list?

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    10. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by namekuseijin · · Score: 1

      indeed! how does Longhorn compare after all?

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    11. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by somersault · · Score: 1

      I'd never thought that name was stupid until you just said it there. Mandriva Ford? Mandriva Honda? Hmm.

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    12. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by Kristoffer+Lunden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's right, noone except testers and developers should ever have to type that. Regular users should have no business being in that file (it isn't completely true yet, but that's "should" for you - they are getting there).

      You can do it, if you want to switch from an earlier version manually and dist-upgrade, but if you wait for a CD instead, as a regular user can be expected to do, it will take care of this for you.

      I am not sure if it's actually finished yet, but the update-manager is supposed to be able to handle dist-upgrades for you too just as it does updated packages. It will pop a nice notification and if you wish, take care of it for you. That's another "should" for you - maybe an internet upgrade today will force you to type that line, but the idea is that you should not have to, and the distribution is getting there.

      What you are pointing out is wrinkles in a still very new and not yet completely polished operating system.

    13. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by Jopop · · Score: 1

      Windows XP? Mac OS X? I'm happy someone thinks outside the box once in a while. The names are intended to be silly, you know.

    14. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      Completely missed my point!

      I have no complaints about editing the sources.list; apt-get is why I choose Ubuntu for my regular failed attempts to move my production machine to GNU/Linux.

      I have no complaints about editing text files in general either - GNU/Linux is, surprisingly, not Windows, and if you think that stuff not having shiny GUI configurators is bad then it may not be for you.

      My point is that the names of the distros are used as mor ethan just internal code names.

      Incidentally, I do not see this as a problem either. GNU/Linux is, surprisingly, not Windows, and if you think that not having a marketing department to worry about this sort of thing is bad then it may not be for you.

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    15. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by lga · · Score: 1

      but jeez... this version name sucks

      This from a person whos Slashdot ID is poopie?

    16. Re:Edgy Eft: moderation: Stupid Name -2 by Kristoffer+Lunden · · Score: 1

      I don't think I did miss your point. You tried to score a cheap point by pointing out that repositories also use those code names. You can probably think up some more things that do if you wish.

      My point is that in the end, those names are meant to be completely hidden unless you go looking, which effectively means they will be for the developers use only. It's quite likely that if not today, someday soon, a user can enjoy several versions of Ubuntu without ever seeing or hearing those names. Thus, those are development names.

      Not that I personally think the names are bad, I like them. It's so much nicer to say Breezy and Dapper instead of 5.10 and 6.06, feels much more personal.

      On a sidenote, seems like the update-manager already knows how to dist-upgrade: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/dapperbeta#head-ab14 ca6ed574c075d6fca55646707133e6a68110.

  35. What's in a name? Ask MS/Apple. by villan_antagonist · · Score: 1

    I mean, in one corner we have vaguely manly/futuristic/open and free (longhorn, XP, Vista, the latter being particularly notable), and in the other you have the uber-hip-sleekness of large jungle cats. Personally, I would much rather an OS comapny has a little fun with their name, but they don't sweat it too hard, rather than spending millions on focus groups/marketing/product positioning. Particulaly when that money could be better spent on QA.

  36. development codenames only? by aurelian · · Score: 1

    The login banner for the official release of Breezy displays 'Breezy Badger' as the name of the operating system, which would suggest the names are more than just development codenames. Or has that changed in Dapper?

  37. can't the standard linux driver for NTFS by petermgreen · · Score: 1

    write to files it doesn't need to change the size of?

    that should be enough to install linux in an image file on a NTFS partition if the base file was created first in windows.

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  38. I felt the same way with "Woody" for a while. :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feel free to use terms like "Release candidate" instead if it makes you feel better. It works for me.

  39. 'The Edgy Eft' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Specific Magic Weapons
    The Edgy Eft
    Stats: Planning Dapper +1, (1d4+1, 20/x3)
    Special: 3 Times per day, the wielder can activate this weapon using a command word (anything alliterative), causing it to gain +2 to attack and damage against any single foe designated in the previous round. This effect lasts for 1 hour. The target may be changed at any time by pointing it at a new target and shouting 'emerge /bin/target!'

    Description: This light walking stick seems to have an air of ease-of-use surrounding it, despite being an exotic weapon. It is made of solid chrome, with a gemstone at the top emmiting rainbow colors randomly at all hours, thus earning it it's nickname.

    Minimum CL (coder level) 10. Must know C and be a worshiper of Linux to create. Market Value: 0gp*. Cost to create: 10,000gp

    *Must be installed by a cleric of Linux, who typically demand pizza and cola in exchange for their services.

    1. Re:'The Edgy Eft' by Anthony · · Score: 2, Funny

      The target may be changed at any time by pointing it at a new target and shouting 'emerge /bin/target!'

      Are you suggesting this weapon was first forged in the Dales of Gentoo?

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    2. Re:'The Edgy Eft' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And so yet another project (Linux distro TCG) goes onto my list. fun fun.

    3. Re:'The Edgy Eft' by TwoScoopsOfPig · · Score: 2, Funny

      Outside the Debian Plains, by the Gurus of Mount C'drom

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    4. Re:'The Edgy Eft' by Senzei · · Score: 1

      Let me guess, it is wielded by the knights of the kerberos realm, duly appointed by the domain controller Primary, himself, as they seek to end the rule of IDE master Divisero?

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    5. Re:'The Edgy Eft' by TwoScoopsOfPig · · Score: 1
      ...as they seek to end the rule of IDE master Divisero?

      Actually, they are trying to get to the root of a particularly thorny quest posed them by Sam Ba: the Kerberos Knights must hunt down and destroy the Dark Lord of Redmond, Gaa'tes, and his henchman Bal'mar.
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  40. Re:I'll wait for Flat Flounder or Garish Grasshopp by ScoLgo · · Score: 1

    'Odiferous Odin'
    'Virginal Valhalla'
    'Frisky Fenris'
    'Happy Hel'

    I could go on but, thankfully, I won't...

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  41. one thing i've noticed by petermgreen · · Score: 1

    is that apple codenames seem much better known than ms ones.

    people seem to use ms codenames when discussing the betas but as soon as there is an actual release they become largely forgotten very quickly (does apple actually put its codenames on the boxes? ms certainly doesn't).

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    1. Re:one thing i've noticed by PygmySurfer · · Score: 1

      I think what happened with Apple is that the community started using the codenames for OS X, so Apple decided to start marketing them.

      I just checked my OS X 10.4 box, it does indeed say Tiger on the spine, and various other places (though the front is just black with a big grey X).

    2. Re:one thing i've noticed by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 1

      I don't the the user community took the codenames that seriously until Appel started marketing them with "10.2 Jaguar". I certainly can't remember the codenames for 10.1 or OS 9.0 etc being widely used.

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    3. Re:one thing i've noticed by PygmySurfer · · Score: 1

      Certainly not OS 9 (I don't think they were using the "Big Cat" names yet), but for the OS X releases they did. The general public probably didn't know, but I think some of the hardcore Mac users knew of and used the codenames. Just for fun, a list of the codenames follows :)

      10.0 Cheetah
      10.1 Puma
      10.2 Jaguar
      10.3 Panther
      10.4 Tiger
      10.5 Leopard

  42. Add Beagle! by MrNonchalant · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If they're experimenting with new stuff (Xen and XGL are pretty risky already) why not add Beagle? It's matured pretty rapidly and with both Vista and Tiger sporting real-time search capability now is the time to get it into Linux.

    1. Re:Add Beagle! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Erm....It's already there on Dapper...not sure if it's installed by default because I upgraded from Breezy (which had it too)

    2. Re:Add Beagle! by MrNonchalant · · Score: 1

      Breezy doesn't have it by default, so I suspect at some point you installed it.

    3. Re:Add Beagle! by nfarrell · · Score: 1

      sorry, Bs are passé.

    4. Re:Add Beagle! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Because supporting Beagle means supporting Mono means supporting GTK#.

      If Beagle were written in GTK+, it'd be a sure thing. But adding a heavy dependency like Mono (and GTK#) just for Beagle is stretching it.

    5. Re:Add Beagle! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I try it occasionally, but after a few hours the indexing process fills up the 512MB or so of RAM that is usually free. Maybe the authors of Beagle can fix their memory leaks before people start advocating for it to be rolled out as non-alpha software.

    6. Re:Add Beagle! by theoddbot · · Score: 1

      That was a mono bug, it's fixed now.

    7. Re:Add Beagle! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
  43. Oh God no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll end up with an 'experience' rather than a program.

    The buttons and graphical elements will be not only unrecognisable, but all completely different from one another.

    You'll realise that you can't actually *do* anything with the program, only sit and appreciate the artist's sheer brilliance.

  44. off topic but on-topic ;) by timothy · · Score: 1

    "sgi" example is a good one of how an Emperor may choose to be clothed. I graduated from the University of Texas; while I was there, a (famous, large) advertising agency called GSD&M -- some of the founders of which were Texas alums -- took on as a pro bono work a massive "rebranding" campaign for the University, busily brainstorming and no doubt exchanging heated and eloquent memos, then rigorous focus-grouping, survey-taking, and all the rest.

    What'd they come up with? What grand vision, what summary of the hopes, goals, and accomplishments of the University did these grand poobahs arrive at?

    "We're Texas."

    Yup -- as silly as it sounds. "We're Texas." I forget the ludicrous amount of money they claimed this service would have been worth if they hadn't donated it, but frankly, I'd rather they have donated that much money's worth of bull semen instead, because (within limits) that's a commodity that's resellable -- unlike the two-word cow-patty they actually supplied.

    timothy

    p.s. "We're Texas." Say it a few more times -- sorta slides right off the brain.

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  45. Re:Don't use... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with this post.

    Get your own logo - probably some sort of duck.

  46. Eft? F'd? by frohike · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't be the only one who heard "F'd" mentally when reading that headline... hopefully that's not a statement on the release or users who choose to install it. :D

    (I love Ubuntu and their funky names.. bring it on!)

    1. Re:Eft? F'd? by towsonu2003 · · Score: 1
      I can't be the only one who heard "F'd" mentally when reading that headline... hopefully that's not a statement on the release or users who choose to install it.
      it probably is:
      FTFA:
      I'm promising to impose (almost ;-) zero from-the-top requirements for Edgy, this release is entirely up the to development team to envision and implement. ... The tradeoff, of course, will be that some of these new ideas will not land perfectly first time. So there may be shakiness, or outright bumpiness, in Edgy. We will for the first time possibly have to say to new users "Edgy gets security updates etc for 18 months but seriously consider Dapper if you need the most polished platform".
  47. It's *BROWN*. by codergeek42 · · Score: 1

    I kid you not. This is the main cripe I have with Ubuntu. Why does it have to look so hideous by default?!

    1. Re:It's *BROWN*. by Markspark · · Score: 1

      you must be kidding right? how hard can it be to change? "i dont want to use that os because of its default colors?" look man, it aint DOS!

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    2. Re:It's *BROWN*. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I kid you not. This is the main cripe I have with Ubuntu. Why does it have to look so hideous by default?!

      Huh? Kubuntu is the one that uses KDE.

    3. Re:It's *BROWN*. by codergeek42 · · Score: 1

      > you must be kidding right? how hard can it be to change?

      That's the thing: I shouldn't have to. One of things distributions like Fedora and Gentoo do well is have quite usable default themes. I'm not against being able to theme one's stuff as he or she sees fit, but if I'm *required* to change the default theme just to make it *usable*, then that detracts from my time that I could spend actually getting work done.

      Gee...getting work done...isn't that such a novel concept? ;)

    4. Re:It's *BROWN*. by thephotoman · · Score: 1

      And I don't like blue that much as a desktop theme color. Besides, Dapper is supposed to be the last of the brown releases. Besides, it gives Ubuntu a unique look, so that when I see someone using Human (or the new UbuntuLooks, which is a brown Clearlooks), I know it's most likely Ubuntu. Frankly, most GNOME/KDE distros all look the same to me.

      Of course, if brown's that big of an issue, and you insist on blue, go with Kubuntu. Or, for something really different and interesting, Xubuntu, which has just released its first ISOs. The 4.3/4.4 Xfce release series takes a lot in its form and layout from Gnome, while actually improving upon the old Xfce feature set.

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    5. Re:It's *BROWN*. by PCM2 · · Score: 1
      Besides, Dapper is supposed to be the last of the brown releases.
      Oh no! Seriously? Because I *love* the brown. In fact, Dapper is already looking a little more orange and less brown than I'd care for. I want an even more earth-toned theme. Why does everything about your computer have to look all metallic and "future"? Can't it be a little more, well ... human? (Which, BTW, I thought was the point of the Ubuntu theme, which is why I'm disappointed to hear they're going to change it.)

      In fact, just WTF is with all the dancing themes on distributions? I liked the look of Suse 9.3 just fine, and then Suse 10 shows up and they've changed it all around. Doesn't anybody realize that these Linux distributions don't always work that great? They have hardware issues and a lot of the software is in a state of constant devleopment. Wouldn't it be great to have a Linux distribution that concentrates on fixing bugs and adding features, and NOT pulling the rug out from under you every six months, just when you've had a chance to get used to its look and feel? Look at Mac OS X, for example -- regular updates all the time, full point releases... and everything pretty much looks the same (except the steady encroachment of the brushed-metal theme, but I digress).

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  48. Yeah by frieko · · Score: 1

    Yeah, things like that are why I'm waiting for the Bushy Beaver release to jump on board...

  49. Just you wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > It's my PC to do with as I wish and it absolutely doesn't have to have a toad from the office or authentication central inside it.

    Just you wait for the Tossing Toad release...!

  50. I love answering questions about Ubuntu by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 4, Informative
    OKay.. I see what you're saying. But how will people know which releases are which. (meaning laypersons)

    The Dapper quality releases will be strongly tied to future corporate plans. Plus in every release announcement they will clearly state that the Dapper quality releases get extra long support.

    Yet the overall quality of the other Ubuntu releases will never hopefully lower to a point where they are unusable by lay persons. I would hope that the kinds of people that a Dapper release was made for (IT managers) would be able to figure out which releases to use where.

    Also, I didn't realize that ONLY this release was going to have the extended support. I thought it was from now on they were making releases that would get the longer support. So the in-between, risky, releases will use the breezy support model?

    Every two years will bring a Dapper quality release. The way Mark has described it before, its as if the releases in between those two years are basically building up to these Dapper quality releases:

    Our current plan is that the Dapper Drake (Ubuntu 6.06 if we hit our June 2006 release date goal) will be the last of this first "set" of releases. So post-Dapper we have the opportunity to define a new "feel" or overarching theme. It would be unlikely to be... blue. But it might be substantially different to the current Human theme.

    Each of these in between releases will get the same level of support as all the Ubuntus before Dapper.

    I personally have been excited about Edgy long before it was announced. Once you get the hang of it, its easy to spot which Ubuntu releases are for you.

    The first releases after the two year major releases will have changes in styles and will be very distinct and maybe a little crazy- just like Warty was when it hit back in the day. All the exciting things the major release had to skip during the year can be added to this release. Mark has already said that Edgy will bring a new color scheme- exciting!

    The second release after the major release will be the best of the in betweens- the craziness of the previous release will be polished down some and the time when these releases will come (Spring) is after all the major releases at the end of the previous year. Hoary was really great for this reason.

    The third release after a major release will be the most compromised- many new things might be dumped on this release so the Dapper quality release can use the release as development time for its more boring platform. Long before Breezy came out I was scared because it in a bad time of the year for a distro release (right before the new Open Office, Xorg and Firefox were released) and because it had to take on large bites (modular Xorg before Xorg was ready, GCC transition for PART of the system, etc.) to make life easier for Dapper. As a result Breezy seems to be the most buggy release (yet many of these problems - like floppies not working and an unstable OpenOffice- has been fixed post release).

    Then we have another Dapper quality release and the IT managers of the world can pay attention again. Long live Ubuntu.

    1. Re:I love answering questions about Ubuntu by yankpop · · Score: 1

      Explain to me how this doesn't result in a complete duplication of Debian, only out of synch? We'll get Dapper Drake in June, the official stable Ubuntu for the next two years. Sometime in 2007 Etch will become the new stable Debian. Etch will be both stable and incrementally more 'edgy' than Dapper Drake... until the next Ubuntu 'stable' release, which becomes the new standard until the following Debian release...

      It seems to me that if Ubuntu adopts a more Debian-style release cycle the differences between the two distros will diminish. What will make Ubuntu different enough to be a worthwhile alternative? The installation? You'd think that you could improve the installation of Debian for a fraction of the effort required to run an entire parallel distro.

      yp.

  51. Or worse still... by KwKSilver · · Score: 1

    an edgy Hoarhog.

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  52. I can't wait for the next release... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "What distro do I use? Why, Motherfucking Ferret of course!"

  53. SELINUX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope a throrough locked down SELinux implementation is one of the edgy new features.

    Fedora is really pushing ahead in this territory. The implementation isn't solid, but it's getting there.

  54. Re:I'll wait for Flat Flounder or Garish Grasshopp by Colonel+Angus · · Score: 1
    So would that be Cheetah? Panther? Tiger? Leopard?
    I was partial to Butthead Astronomer, myself.
  55. Fucking moron by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1
    Yes, Ubuntu, we get it. I mean, I know version numbers in press releases are so corporate and everything, but but some day (say, when they're releasing Zoroastrian Zebra or whatever) they'll look back on this little phase and feel a little silly.
    Ubuntu routinely uses version numbers in press releases. The email was not a press release, it was an announcement to the Ubuntu community.
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    1. Re:Fucking moron by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu routinely uses version numbers in press releases. The email was not a press release, it was an announcement to the Ubuntu community.

      You tell me: which versioning/labeling actually, really gets used in conversation that gets out past "the community?" Wider adoption depends on getting through to, and educationg people outside of that community. When all of the talk about something sounds insular, cliquish, and like one big inside joke, it doesn't help. At least, not if the purpose is to actually (as is so often proclaimed) bring in new users.

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    2. Re:Fucking moron by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1

      A week or so ago I was speccing a replacement OS for some clients who have been using a variety of old RedHat distributions and some Whitebox Linux distributions. In my discussions with them we were talking about "Centos 4.3" and "Ubuntu 5.10".

      Earlier this week I was talking with some colleagues about a difference between our dev server here and an installation one of them set up in vmware and we used the terms 5.10 and 5.04.

      I agree that educating people outside the community (and thus bringing them into the community to one degree or another) is clearly a long term goal. However while there are clearly some 'corporate' aims for Ubuntu I think it's fair to say that to date there hasn't been a hard push to penetrate the business mind set. The focus has (rightly) been on getting a solid community behind it so a decent product actually gets developed. Now that the project is bearing solid fruit I'll expect we'll see more in the corporate area. The recent announcements of certification (both of professionals and IBM certification for DB2) are probably steps in that direction.

      However Ubuntu gaining a heightened corporate image doesn't have to come at the expense of it's sense of community.

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  56. Re:I'll wait for Flat Flounder or Garish Grasshopp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has a version (release) number. This was not a press release, it was on a community mailing list.

    That aside, I don't understand why people are so fixated on the names. If you don't like the name, refer to it by its release #.

    Ubuntu (distro) 6.06 (release) Dapper Drake (codename/description)

    Under Breezy, if you "cat /etc/lsb-release" you'll get:

    DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
    DISTRIB_RELEASE=5.10
    DISTRIB_CODENAME=breezy
    DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu (The Breezy Badger Release)"

    The difference between the release and the codename/description should be a bit more evident.

  57. nomme de code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you do crosswords, play scrabble or are an outside nature/biology geek you know what an eft is.

    It's the opposite of an ight....silly

    but ya, oongawah- b'wanna-linux and names, just weird for a distro, although I didn't mind the menage de trois theme....

  58. Dyslexia? by Braino420 · · Score: 1

    Ubutnu

    It's Ubu-n-t-u. Not that it's any better ;)

    Ogg Vorbis sounds sweet. Now GIMP, not so much. My .02

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  59. Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's a name for dweebz! You need a MANLY MAN name for the next ubuntu-and here it is! (I DARE YOU shuttlecock, in soviet isle of mannz, double dog dares U)

        Randy Rhino!

    You know you love it!

  60. Obligatory Image of an Eft by RingDev · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://museum.gov.ns.ca/mnh/nature/salamand/thumbs /images/red-eft.jpg

    Just so the Photoshopers have a starting point ;)

    -Rick

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    1. Re:Obligatory Image of an Eft by KayosIII · · Score: 1

      Taa Thanks - he is wearing the Ubuntu colour theme and all

  61. Hmm... by ajdlinux · · Score: 1

    Debian in-joke: Sure that's not from those BYU students?

  62. Yipes! by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    > Xtreme Xenocide

    Hey! What did I ever do to Ubuntu? :(

  63. GIMP vs legal Photoshop installations... by Werrismys · · Score: 1
    By the way GIMP is not a popular image editor

    Yes it is. It's great for when you need to edit photos SOMETIMES but not often enough to get a Photoshop license. Many departments at my place of work have installed it on winblows boxes, and I've seen it in the wild in surprising places. These people of course use it because it's free as in beer, not because it would "rock", or be nice to use, or approach Photoshop's functionality, but still - it's popular. At least if you compare to the number of legal Photoshop installations.

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  64. impossible! by tolonuga · · Score: 1

    already in dapper...

  65. Any developer out there interested in edgy work? by wysiwia · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mark Shuttleworth call for Edgy Eft (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs) is nice but does it really have any impact on improvement on Linux systems, on it's market share. Does he really think that this will produce any new ideas which are needed for the break through of Linux in the desktop area? I think not.

    If a developer is interested in edgy work he has to drop a lot of the out dated circumstances taken over from the old UNIX area which is now almost dead. He has to get rid of thinking along all the current implementations and work on something which isn't as limited. There are IMHO two very important areas where hard cuts are a necessity and both are linked with the look&feel.

    First any edgy work has to get rid of all the Gnome/KDE/etc desktop guidelines and replace them with a single set of guidelines as outlined in wyoGuide (http://wyoguide.sf.net/). Only then will OpenSource application become competitors to the commercial counterparts.

    Second any edgy desktop has to get rid of X11 and replace it with a frame buffer implementation (DirectFB) as outlined in wyoDesktop (http://wyodesktop.sf.net/). Only then will the Linux desktop be possible in a sensible fashion on anything ranging from super computers to embedded devices.

    I'm well aware that these two suggestions throws away the most important corner stones of the OpenSource world. I also knows that this means a huge load of work but to become successful this is simply necessary. Believe me if it isn't done and if not soon the OpenSource will fail. So I encurrage anybody, developer or not, to visit the two projects and subscribe to the users mailing list else the Ubuntu Bug #1 (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1) will never be fixed.

    O. Wyss

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  66. Does it mean to you what it does to me? by theolein · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The vast majority of people on this world don't use English as a mother language. They don't even speak it, for the most part, regardless of whether it's the world's most widely spoken language or not. Do the names for various software applications mean the same thing to them as they do to you?

    Is Ubuntu less offensive to a Corsican reading the newspaper "u ribombu" or a Zulu businessman using Linux to do his backoffice?

    Does GIMP sound the same when read by a Frenchman, or by someone from China who doesn't even use the Latin alphabet?

    1. Re:Does it mean to you what it does to me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod the parent into the stratosphere !

    2. Re:Does it mean to you what it does to me? by uglyduckling · · Score: 1

      Thank you...! Finally someone speaking some sense. I had some friends here on Saturday who are medical workers in Zulu South Africa and fluent Zulu speakers. They saw 'Ubuntu' pop up on my computer and were instantly really interested. Thinking about it, isn't "Windows" a really stupid name for a piece of software?

  67. But... IT WORKS! by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    If I say "Marvelous Mongoose" to you in a few years time; are you going to think "new Ubuntu release" or not?

    Silly names sound... well... silly. But they help you recognize the product.

    Would you be inclined to use Google, GoogleMaps and GoogleEarth if they were called Company, Maps and Earth? Sure it's difficult to get the brand positioned at first, but once it's burned into the public mindset, it's there to stay!

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    1. Re:But... IT WORKS! by MoxFulder · · Score: 1

      MOD PARENT WAAAY UP!!

      This is something I hadn't even considered... Ubuntu *is* creating a very recognizable brand with these alliterative names. A smart play. We'll all instantly know what Leaping Leopard and Waltzing Walrus are when they get released.

      A few years back, people ridiculed iEverything... now iMac, iPod, iBook must be among the most recognizable brands among young Americans.

  68. You need to understand the history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This naming scheme was divined by Anagogic Alderman, who described it to Byzantine Baptist, who proposed it to Clandestine Council, which approved it. The council's courier, Dapper Drake, informed Egomaniacal Enforcer of the new naming scheme. Of course, his assistant, Fastidious Francis, shared this news with the reporter, Gregarious Grant, who posted a rumor about it on the blog run by Hinderaking Huffington. A devout reader of the blog (named Ignorant Iguana) grew upset and presented a complaint to the magistrate, Judicious Jared. Jared appointed a special investigator, Kyrgyzstani Karl, to write a report on the legality of the naming scheme, but his girlfriend Lucious Lemur enticed him to put his work duties aside. The inquiry lay dormant until -- 2 months later -- Meticulous Manfred reviewed a list of unresolved cases. Manfred re-assigned the case to Necromancer Nancy, and Nancy's sidekick Omniscient Orangutan had an epiphany: Anagogic Alderman had formed an alliance with Parsimonious Pest. Pest pushed for the naming scheme as a favor to Quintessential Quayle. Quayle was talking to a girl at a bar, Rapacious Rabbit, and he promised her that he had such great powers that he could name a Linux distribution after her. Rabbit, of course, thought this was all quite ludicrous, so she asked Scentcone Skeptic to examine the question of naming schemes for Linux distributions. Skeptic opposed the naming scheme. Of course, he had a long history of opposing creative folks like Titillating Titus and Ubunese Ulcer. Ulcer and his brother, Vindictive Viper, had marketed a board game in which players "beat up" other players by proposing new rhyhmes. The game was an utter failure, and only Weird Whalrus purchased a copy. Whalrus also purchased lots of Xxx Xxx material from Yukon Yvette. Yvette's cousin, Zany Zeitgeist, had existential problems that she couldn't name, so she asked Anagogic Alderman for some help with nomenclature.

    1. Re:You need to understand the history by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      I now understand that the Ubuntu "community" is being run by the inmates.

      :-) Excellent work!

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  69. Beagle's already in 5.10 (deskbar-applet) by xerxesdaphat · · Score: 1

    They've already got Beagle. I've got it in my 5.10 release. Just install the Deskbar (`sudo apt-get install deskbar-applet') and add it to your Gnome panel and you can search Beagle (which is installed automatically with Deskbar) from there. It's very useful; however, because the 5.10 kernel is a bit old (2.6.12), it doesn't support inotify, so Beagle has to do the indexing of everything instead of just updating the things which have changed as soon as the changes occur, so the index isn't always fresh and Beagle uses more resources than it could if 5.10 had a newer kernel (which 6.06 does).

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  70. Re:Any developer out there interested in edgy work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Replacing X11 isn't "edgy" it's "stupid" and just shows your ignorance of the technology. I'm tired of hearing about how X11 needs to be replaced by people who know little about how the technology actually works and what the problems with it are.

  71. huh? by krewemaynard · · Score: 1

    Doesn't writing to a file change the size of it? I may be off here, but if you change the contents of a file, I think that changes the file size also.

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    1. Re:huh? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      nope, as long as you position your writes within the original files boundries its size won't change. The size of a file only changes if you write past the existing end.

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  72. Obligatory by Asklepius+M.D. · · Score: 1

    They turned it into a newt!

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  73. A real gentleman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... A real gentleman insists they use mouthwash before reinsertion after gagging and vomiting!

  74. Re:Any developer out there interested in edgy work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ubuntu going from HIG to wyoGuide? Wouldn't that be a *big* step back? Why replace one set of guidelines with another, inferior, set of guidelines?

  75. Re:Any developer out there interested in edgy work by test99! · · Score: 1

    Ubuntu going from HIG to wyoGuide? Wouldn't that be a *big* step back? Why replace one set of guidelines with another, inferior, set of guidelines?

    What HIG do you mean? Mac OSX? KDE? Gnome HIG or anything else? You're not giving any clues why you think it's a step back so what worth is your comment? Your posting as anonymous which either means your a complete newbie or just want to troll without being known. Maybe think first next time before you post.

  76. Does codename really matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does codename really matter anyway? Was reading the post and people "complaining" about the codenames of a distro, really if you don't like it just mention the version of it. (7.07) or whatever. I think they done a good work so far. Ubuntu meaning as everyone know is "humanity toward others", which i think its proving it. so far is the most efficent and popular distro, with its neat gnome theme.

    about the name, i thought about it and i think matt just made a weird hiralous codename there lol

  77. ad sig by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

    And 25% overrated.