See www.linuxexpo.org for more details on what happened and why. If that still gives you the old "thanks for coming to Expo '99" page, then try going to the IP at http://216.228.105.21.
--Donnie
Re:SuSe s^^/will not be a pushover
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Okay, so you think SuSE's GUI tools are better than the ones RH ships. That is your opinion. That's fine. But I would like to address some factual problems with your post.
As for default X environments, RH 6.0 ships with GNOME as the default, *not* fvwm95. We also ship with a utility called 'switchdesk' that lets you switch with one click between KDE, GNOME, and AnotherLevel (an fvwm-2 configuration). How many other distributions do that?
Adding users? We have both adduser and useradd. Both work just fine. I'm not sure what your beef is with paths, either. Sure, if you 'su' you don't get/sbin and/usr/sbin in your path. That's because when you 'su' you only get the environment of the user you 'su' from, and normal users don't have/sbin and/usr/sbin in their path (and they shouldn't). If you 'su -' or login directly as root you do get both of them in your path and/sbin and/usr/sbin programs will work fine.
As people have already pointed out, all of the GUI config tools we ship can be worked around if you care for that sort of thing. 'fdisk' is still shipped, and is still an option in the install.
And at least RH users have the option of buying $2 CDs, unlike some distributions.
First, I find it laughable that this would come from 'Anonymous Coward'. Aren't people willing to sign their own names any more? Also, it's "Red Hat", not "RedHat".
That said, I don't believe in using the GPL on documentation no matter how free you want the documentation to be. The GPL is a software license and doesn't apply to documentation any more than the Declaration of Independence can pose as a restaurant menu.
I find it ironic that someone would attack someone for a license such as that, and then encourage McMillan to go do the same thing. Makes no sense to me.
But, back to the topic, the RPM-HOWTO. I'm currently looking for a new maintainer. Because I don't have the time to maintain it and because I do care, I'm willing to give it to someone who will do a good job with it. That person will be free to change the license on the version I give them to any license they wish, too (the only modification I'll make before giving it out would be to take my name off as the author).
All the code I've written has been under the GPL. I'm one of the last people you could attack for being non GPL compliant.
Anyway, if anyone wants to take over the RPM-HOWTO, send me mail. We may have already found someone, but send mail anyway if you're interested in case that doesn't work out.
I wish there were a few more facts to go along with this. First, I still have no idea what piece of hardware this person is talking about. Second, I can't search my mail to find out because no name is attached. Third, I'd like to know what document this person is talking about.
This is certainly something very old and most likely references documentation that I haven't maintained in several years now, and have removed from the RH web and FTP servers long ago. The fact that this info is mirrored somewhere is something I can do very little about. If I'm wrong and this stuff is still alive @redhat.com then I need to know what we're talking about so I can fix it.
I'm sorry you didn't care for my responses, but this story doesn't remind me of any real circumstances as *I* know them.
First, I did post as djb@redhat.com. Upon taking a peek at responses I decided it was time to change my default profile to point at donniebarnes.com. What I didn't realize was that slashdot pulls this info from it's user profile database NO MATTER WHAT, and thus I basically changed it for EVERY article I've posted, no matter how old (it would seem).
I never intended to change the address or URL of my post about raster. I intended to change it for future posts. Be that as it may, what's the difference? If you'll check my home page on donniebarnes.com you'll find that I claim to work for Red Hat on the "about me" page.
I've been here for four years now, though, and I guess I wrongly just assume people know who I am.
Oh, and no, I don't post using that address so that it is "less official", as one of my defenders stated. I post from there because I'm vain.;-)
And yes, it is VERY ironic that a flamer on this topic would post as Anonymous Coward. To each his own, I guess.
I wish Raster the best of luck. I'm not sure why he would care to say nasty things about Red Hat, the product, or the people there, though. I don't know anyone at Red Hat who did anything to make Red Hat an unhappy place for him.
Sometimes things just aren't a perfect fit, though, and people have to find that perfect fit. I hope raster finds his. I'm saddened at Red Hat wasn't it.
I also hope that E development continues as it has. I think it's a damned good piece of free software and hope to continue to be able to use it. I also hope it does continue to tie into GNOME nicely. No, it doesn't have to be the GNOME window manager. There can be many. But I like E and I think it fits well.
Anyway, good luck raster.
--Donnie
RPM 3.0 in RedHat 6: is Bug 236 fixed yet?
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Could you please enlighten me as to just what the hell you're talking about with respect to RPM? RPM 1.x was written in *perl*. By definition it was 'open'. RPM 2.x was re-written in C but was always open as well.
I believe it's in there in anticipation of the new license. If the new Qt isn't out and working with the stable KDE release when we are ready to ship, I *believe* we will have to remove KDE.
Basically, if there is a stable KDE release that works with a QPL released Qt, then we'll probably ship it. Otherwise, we'll have to pull it.
I should probably verify all this before posting, but I'm pretty sure this is the state of things right now.
That article quoted me *badly* out of context. The author was asking about why Red Hat had "not signed on to the LSB". I informed him that this was ancient history and that we didn't sign on to the original LSB because it was an implementation and it "didn't exist" and we "weren't 'signing on' to anything that didn't exist". I then went on to say that we have "signed on" to the current LSB committee effort and are working right along side the other vendors on the LSB. We also hope that the LSB becomes something *everyone* can agree on and use and if that happens we will certainly sign up as well.
Seems to me that both these units should be combined into one unit. It would be neat to have caller ID data overlayed right on your TV screen. No need to look over to some dumb little LCD screen on some box somewhere. Since many folks already have a phone line run near the TV for DSS access, it seems natural.
Aside from that, the only use I can think of for this little beast would be video editing since it can overlay the text. But for not much more money ($200-300) you can buy a "real" box that would do a much better job. Or spend a little more and get a real solution.
Oh, I suppose when coupled with one of those video transmitters and a CCD camera you could build a robot that could broadcast the video as well as text messages back to a TV in the room. That might be cool...
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See www.linuxexpo.org for more details on what happened and why. If that still gives you the old "thanks for coming to Expo '99" page, then try going to the IP at http://216.228.105.21.
--Donnie
Okay, so you think SuSE's GUI tools are better than the ones RH ships. That is your opinion. That's fine. But I would like to address some factual problems with your post.
/sbin and /usr/sbin in your path. That's because when you 'su' you only get the environment of the user you 'su' from, and normal users don't have /sbin and /usr/sbin in their path (and they shouldn't). If you 'su -' or login directly as root you do get both of them in your path and /sbin and /usr/sbin programs will work fine.
As for default X environments, RH 6.0 ships with GNOME as the default, *not* fvwm95. We also ship with a utility called 'switchdesk' that lets you switch with one click between KDE, GNOME, and AnotherLevel (an fvwm-2 configuration). How many other distributions do that?
Adding users? We have both adduser and useradd. Both work just fine. I'm not sure what your beef is with paths, either. Sure, if you 'su' you don't get
As people have already pointed out, all of the GUI config tools we ship can be worked around if you care for that sort of thing. 'fdisk' is still shipped, and is still an option in the install.
And at least RH users have the option of buying $2 CDs, unlike some distributions.
--Donnie
First, I find it laughable that this would come from 'Anonymous Coward'. Aren't people willing to sign their own names any more? Also, it's "Red Hat", not "RedHat".
That said, I don't believe in using the GPL on documentation no matter how free you want the documentation to be. The GPL is a software license and doesn't apply to documentation any more than the Declaration of Independence can pose as a restaurant menu.
I find it ironic that someone would attack someone for a license such as that, and then encourage McMillan to go do the same thing. Makes no sense to me.
But, back to the topic, the RPM-HOWTO. I'm currently looking for a new maintainer. Because I don't have the time to maintain it and because I do care, I'm willing to give it to someone who will do a good job with it. That person will be free to change the license on the version I give them to any license they wish, too (the only modification I'll make before giving it out would be to take my name off as the author).
All the code I've written has been under the GPL. I'm one of the last people you could attack for being non GPL compliant.
Anyway, if anyone wants to take over the RPM-HOWTO, send me mail. We may have already found someone, but send mail anyway if you're interested in case that doesn't work out.
--Donnie
I wish there were a few more facts to go along with this. First, I still have no idea what piece of hardware this person is talking about. Second, I can't search my mail to find out because no name is attached. Third, I'd like to know what document this person is talking about.
This is certainly something very old and most likely references documentation that I haven't maintained in several years now, and have removed from the RH web and FTP servers long ago. The fact that this info is mirrored somewhere is something I can do very little about. If I'm wrong and this stuff is still alive @redhat.com then I need to know what we're talking about so I can fix it.
I'm sorry you didn't care for my responses, but this story doesn't remind me of any real circumstances as *I* know them.
--Donnie
This is kind of funny, actually.
;-)
First, I did post as djb@redhat.com. Upon taking a peek at responses I decided it was time to change my default profile to point at donniebarnes.com. What I didn't realize was that slashdot pulls this info from it's user profile database NO MATTER WHAT, and thus I basically changed it for EVERY article I've posted, no matter how old (it would seem).
I never intended to change the address or URL of my post about raster. I intended to change it for future posts. Be that as it may, what's the difference? If you'll check my home page on donniebarnes.com you'll find that I claim to work for Red Hat on the "about me" page.
I've been here for four years now, though, and I guess I wrongly just assume people know who I am.
Oh, and no, I don't post using that address so that it is "less official", as one of my defenders stated. I post from there because I'm vain.
And yes, it is VERY ironic that a flamer on this topic would post as Anonymous Coward. To each his own, I guess.
--Donnie
Interesting commentary indeed.
I wish Raster the best of luck. I'm not sure why he would care to say nasty things about Red Hat, the product, or the people there, though. I don't know anyone at Red Hat who did anything to make Red Hat an unhappy place for him.
Sometimes things just aren't a perfect fit, though, and people have to find that perfect fit. I hope raster finds his. I'm saddened at Red Hat wasn't it.
I also hope that E development continues as it has. I think it's a damned good piece of free software and hope to continue to be able to use it. I also hope it does continue to tie into GNOME nicely. No, it doesn't have to be the GNOME window manager. There can be many. But I like E and I think it fits well.
Anyway, good luck raster.
--Donnie
RPM 3.0 *does* do disk space checking now.
--Donnie
Could you please enlighten me as to just what the hell you're talking about with respect to RPM? RPM 1.x was written in *perl*. By definition it was 'open'. RPM 2.x was re-written in C but was always open as well.
--Donnie
I believe it's in there in anticipation of the new license. If the new Qt isn't out and working with the stable KDE release when we are ready to ship, I *believe* we will have to remove KDE.
Basically, if there is a stable KDE release that works with a QPL released Qt, then we'll probably ship it. Otherwise, we'll have to pull it.
I should probably verify all this before posting, but I'm pretty sure this is the state of things right now.
--Donnie
That article quoted me *badly* out of context. The author was asking about why Red Hat had "not signed on to the LSB". I informed him that this was ancient history and that we didn't sign on to the original LSB because it was an implementation and it "didn't exist" and we "weren't 'signing on' to anything that didn't exist". I then went on to say that we have "signed on" to the current LSB committee effort and are working right along side the other vendors on the LSB. We also hope that the LSB becomes something *everyone* can agree on and use and if that happens we will certainly sign up as well.
Of course, none of *that* got printed.
--Donnie
Seems to me that both these units should be combined into one unit. It would be neat to have caller ID data overlayed right on your TV screen. No need to look over to some dumb little LCD screen on some box somewhere. Since many folks already have a phone line run near the TV for DSS access, it seems natural.
Aside from that, the only use I can think of for this little beast would be video editing since it can overlay the text. But for not much more money ($200-300) you can buy a "real" box that would do a much better job. Or spend a little more and get a real solution.
Oh, I suppose when coupled with one of those video transmitters and a CCD camera you could build a robot that could broadcast the video as well as text messages back to a TV in the room. That might be cool...
--Donnie