Perhaps we should start establishing community ISPs that provide cheap, high-quality access (on the back of inexpensive or volunteer labour) to the masses and distribute with each new account some material about the early history and ideals of the Internet, a sort of "online civics" course to indoctrinate the masses. I'd work for one.
When you do establish your local co-op ISP please advocate ipv6. Static IP's for everyone! The entrenched, I already invested billions, I need to get my money back, large corporate ISP's are needlessly delaying so they can charge extra for ip addresses.
So how would we replace the university backbones that began the internet?
Hasn't there already been some efforts in this direction?
I don't know what specific effort you're trying to recall, but I think that gnutella is the way to go. (wait) I don't mean file sharing, I mean if gnutella can solve the distribution and scalability problems it has then that protocol should be able to serve as a model for an "alter-net" made up of guys stringing cat5 across their back fences and setting up optical links to get across streets. No idea how to get over the ocean without using some corporations satellite though.
Well, did the development of Carnivore in the U.S. have anything to do with catching terrorists? Did Ashcrofts "patriot" bill have anything to do with catching terrorists? Does the Indian version of Carnivore have anything to do with catching terrorists? No, no, and no. And ev-ry-body knows it. Carnivores ineffectiveness at catching terrorists is irrelevant because that is not the purpose.
The SSN is voluntary but to make it less so, the gov't gives a tax break to parents who register they're children. You'd think that Mom and Dad would put they're children first, or at least allow them to grow up and decide, but they don't. Same thing here, they'll just have some financial incentive for implantation and it'll happen.
In biblical times a slave was sometimes referred to as "marked" on the hand or forehead even though there was rarely an actuall mark. This is (I think) the most widely made mistake on this topic. People are always looking out for some kind of marking device (implanted id, tatoo, etc.) and not realizing that they are already marked by their social security number.
This is, of course, an opinion but if anyone's interested here's a link.
Kind of what happened already with taxes. First it was just Social Security, pension fund for everyone, no one need die of starvation in old age, and it's only one percent. Then they make this "covered employment" mandatory. Next they start withholding "income tax", which is okay since everyone is rec'ing a government benefit, namely "covered employment", and finally once everyone's in the system they start raising the percentage to the maximum the sheeple will tolerate. Result? an omni-powerful federal government with the required resources for implementing an id tag system.
"They do not want to licence their products for sale on the internet."
No, they just don't want to give their product away for free. They're perfectly willing to sell on the internet, but they don't want to be in a position where they only see 1 sale for every 1,000 people listening.
Without quoting your entire troll, let me respond to the whole thing.
The CHC (copyright holding corporations) do not want to license anything. They want to be the only ones to provide onlines sales of music and movies. Your parent thinks this is wrong and if it is, then it is up to "us" to put on the pressure or accept it.
And as far as BMW's go, if I found out that it cost BMW about 50 bucks to deliver a car to the dealer but was selling it for 45,000 dollars, I would feel justified in stealing it.
What the "industry" doesn't seem to realize is that working with services like kazaa is the only way they can survive. The day will come when even the cd's and dvd's that we buy in stores will be electronically distributed, with the stores stamping/burning and printing the downloaded files. With that kind of distribution who needs Warner Bros., etc.?
The artists are already organizing, it's only a matter of time before they just cut the corporations out of the picture.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, just because there are people trading copyrighted material doesn't mean the whole service should be shut down. It's my opinion (and my perception is certainly more accurate than any judges - to me) that since services like kazaa allow for unknowns to produce and distribute their own material, shutting them down is cause for a lawsuit by the users. I think some people tried that with napster, but I don't recall the outcome.
Fuel cell systems involve no cumbustion whatsoever, and would not involve the use of any part of a cumbustion engine
No, but think the poster wants to take advantage of the borax storage solution. Converting a combustion engine to run on hydrogen has been done already.
No, these people aren't copying software because they need it, most of it probably doesn't even get used. They just want to have it. Or they want to learn to use it. The Photosplat cd that came with my 50 dollar digital camera isn't going to make me competent with photoshop. Anyway, like I said, I bet a dollar most of these guys were collecting this software just to have it. The more expensive it is the more they want it, but it'll likely never be used, just brought out and bragged about.
Not to mention, these warez traders are actually marketing for the software company by making their program popular.
Did Carnivore or Magic Lantern play a part in this? Is this the first use of the "expanded government powers" that Ashcroft needed to help find bin Laden? I really want to know the answer to this one.
No matter your opinion of the rightness or wrongness of trading (note I refuse to call it "pirating" and you should too) movies and software you have to wonder what methods were used to pursue the investigation. Then realize what will happen if the FBI actually manages to stop all such activity. What, or who will they focus on next? They may just be compiling a list of people who read/., maybe even the AC's.
Personally, I'm comforted knowing that there is a level of "crime" that is just to difficult to prosecute. I want the Fed's to have some real, solid, you can touch it, limitations to they're capabilities. Think about it. If they know everything, pretty soon no one will get away with ANYTHING, but to justify their existence they'll just keep changing the rules to give them someone to go after. Maybe you.
I didn't say "pr0n". I said "adult material" and indicated that the definition is unclear. Please notice how many posts in this thread point out the fact that banning "adult" material is effectively censorship. Who decides what is "adult oriented"?
My employers checks are cashed at the bank where he has an account. I stop by the office of my ISP once a month and pay cash. I paid cash for my car (18 year old car), cash for my apartment, etc.
Your response is exactly my point. "living in america" should not require a bank account. Not having a bank account shouldn't be seen as "unamerican" but for some people it is.
I'm one those people who doesn't have a bank account, doesn't have a credit card, etc. I like living that way. If a credit history is required to view any material that's for adults(define?) then where does that leave people like me? It really bothers how difficult it is for the average person to go thru life without ever being in debt. Forcing me to open a bank account to have access to a *public* forum should be unconstitutional.
I'm fundamentally against the government taking any of the actions you described, but good job arguing it's ability take them. I have hope that if such legislation passes it will get overturned in court.
On the other hand, a few more corporate mergers and the government won't even have to enact legislation to change the face of the internet. It's one thing to force 100's of ISP's into compliance with some regulation. It's quite another to "encourage" a single ISP act in the "publics best interest".
The thing to remember here (or realize) is that the Constitution does not grant any rights. It "protects" rights that you already have. The Bill of Rights is not exhaustive.
Stop legislating. No laws to regarding privacy, copyright or licenses. Let us sort it out. I mean of someone, including the government wants to snoop, let them. But I get to make it as difficult, or impossible, as I can. Apply the same rule to copyright as well.
Pretty soon, people will realize that to have privacy you have to take steps to ensure it. Companies will either find a way to protect there precious IP or giveup.
Things will just work out eventually IF no laws are passed either direction. And of course if a couple of laws that go too far already are repealed.
First thing we do, get Natalie to represent us in the tv spots. She could prove very effective at getting apathetic geeks to show up at our first political convention.
I will bring this idea up over and over again until it happens
Yeah, what's up with corporations thinking it's okay to act like some kind of authority figure? I'm getting kinda tired of it.
Anybody here work in advertising or media produciton? If you want to serve your country organize a "I Call Bullshit" ad campaign. So we all chip in cash and run ads to address all the misinformation put out by the spin doctors in the government. Fight fire with fire.
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Perhaps we should start establishing community ISPs that provide cheap, high-quality access (on the back of inexpensive or volunteer labour) to the masses and distribute with each new account some material about the early history and ideals of the Internet, a sort of "online civics" course to indoctrinate the masses. I'd work for one.
When you do establish your local co-op ISP please advocate ipv6. Static IP's for everyone! The entrenched, I already invested billions, I need to get my money back, large corporate ISP's are needlessly delaying so they can charge extra for ip addresses.So how would we replace the university backbones that began the internet? Hasn't there already been some efforts in this direction?
I don't know what specific effort you're trying to recall, but I think that gnutella is the way to go. (wait) I don't mean file sharing, I mean if gnutella can solve the distribution and scalability problems it has then that protocol should be able to serve as a model for an "alter-net" made up of guys stringing cat5 across their back fences and setting up optical links to get across streets. No idea how to get over the ocean without using some corporations satellite though.
Well, did the development of Carnivore in the U.S. have anything to do with catching terrorists? Did Ashcrofts "patriot" bill have anything to do with catching terrorists? Does the Indian version of Carnivore have anything to do with catching terrorists? No, no, and no. And ev-ry-body knows it. Carnivores ineffectiveness at catching terrorists is irrelevant because that is not the purpose.
The SSN is voluntary but to make it less so, the gov't gives a tax break to parents who register they're children. You'd think that Mom and Dad would put they're children first, or at least allow them to grow up and decide, but they don't. Same thing here, they'll just have some financial incentive for implantation and it'll happen.
Thanks Dad.
Oh, somebody said it. Like why can't these six lines of code be on a bracelet? Why must they be implanted?
Of course we will do this. Conform to they're business model I mean.
In biblical times a slave was sometimes referred to as "marked" on the hand or forehead even though there was rarely an actuall mark. This is (I think) the most widely made mistake on this topic. People are always looking out for some kind of marking device (implanted id, tatoo, etc.) and not realizing that they are already marked by their social security number.
This is, of course, an opinion but if anyone's interested here's a link.
Kind of what happened already with taxes. First it was just Social Security, pension fund for everyone, no one need die of starvation in old age, and it's only one percent. Then they make this "covered employment" mandatory. Next they start withholding "income tax", which is okay since everyone is rec'ing a government benefit, namely "covered employment", and finally once everyone's in the system they start raising the percentage to the maximum the sheeple will tolerate. Result? an omni-powerful federal government with the required resources for implementing an id tag system.
yes I was looking for a place to squeeze this in...
has anyone ever seen a retail outlet anywhere in western washington state that carries linux games?
yes, I'm a nut, but I'd rather drive three hours then buy something over the internet.
Thank you. I wish I had mod points.
"They do not want to licence their products for sale on the internet."
No, they just don't want to give their product away for free. They're perfectly willing to sell on the internet, but they don't want to be in a position where they only see 1 sale for every 1,000 people listening.
Without quoting your entire troll, let me respond to the whole thing.
The CHC (copyright holding corporations) do not want to license anything. They want to be the only ones to provide onlines sales of music and movies. Your parent thinks this is wrong and if it is, then it is up to "us" to put on the pressure or accept it.
And as far as BMW's go, if I found out that it cost BMW about 50 bucks to deliver a car to the dealer but was selling it for 45,000 dollars, I would feel justified in stealing it.
What the "industry" doesn't seem to realize is that working with services like kazaa is the only way they can survive. The day will come when even the cd's and dvd's that we buy in stores will be electronically distributed, with the stores stamping/burning and printing the downloaded files. With that kind of distribution who needs Warner Bros., etc.?
The artists are already organizing, it's only a matter of time before they just cut the corporations out of the picture.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, just because there are people trading copyrighted material doesn't mean the whole service should be shut down. It's my opinion (and my perception is certainly more accurate than any judges - to me) that since services like kazaa allow for unknowns to produce and distribute their own material, shutting them down is cause for a lawsuit by the users. I think some people tried that with napster, but I don't recall the outcome.
Fuel cell systems involve no cumbustion whatsoever, and would not involve the use of any part of a cumbustion engine
No, but think the poster wants to take advantage of the borax storage solution. Converting a combustion engine to run on hydrogen has been done already.No, these people aren't copying software because they need it, most of it probably doesn't even get used. They just want to have it. Or they want to learn to use it. The Photosplat cd that came with my 50 dollar digital camera isn't going to make me competent with photoshop. Anyway, like I said, I bet a dollar most of these guys were collecting this software just to have it. The more expensive it is the more they want it, but it'll likely never be used, just brought out and bragged about.
Not to mention, these warez traders are actually marketing for the software company by making their program popular.
Did Carnivore or Magic Lantern play a part in this? Is this the first use of the "expanded government powers" that Ashcroft needed to help find bin Laden? I really want to know the answer to this one.
/., maybe even the AC's.
No matter your opinion of the rightness or wrongness of trading (note I refuse to call it "pirating" and you should too) movies and software you have to wonder what methods were used to pursue the investigation. Then realize what will happen if the FBI actually manages to stop all such activity. What, or who will they focus on next? They may just be compiling a list of people who read
Personally, I'm comforted knowing that there is a level of "crime" that is just to difficult to prosecute. I want the Fed's to have some real, solid, you can touch it, limitations to they're capabilities. Think about it. If they know everything, pretty soon no one will get away with ANYTHING, but to justify their existence they'll just keep changing the rules to give them someone to go after. Maybe you.
I didn't say "pr0n". I said "adult material" and indicated that the definition is unclear. Please notice how many posts in this thread point out the fact that banning "adult" material is effectively censorship. Who decides what is "adult oriented"?
My employers checks are cashed at the bank where he has an account. I stop by the office of my ISP once a month and pay cash. I paid cash for my car (18 year old car), cash for my apartment, etc.
Your response is exactly my point. "living in america" should not require a bank account. Not having a bank account shouldn't be seen as "unamerican" but for some people it is.
I'm one those people who doesn't have a bank account, doesn't have a credit card, etc. I like living that way. If a credit history is required to view any material that's for adults(define?) then where does that leave people like me? It really bothers how difficult it is for the average person to go thru life without ever being in debt. Forcing me to open a bank account to have access to a *public* forum should be unconstitutional.
I'm fundamentally against the government taking any of the actions you described, but good job arguing it's ability take them. I have hope that if such legislation passes it will get overturned in court.
On the other hand, a few more corporate mergers and the government won't even have to enact legislation to change the face of the internet. It's one thing to force 100's of ISP's into compliance with some regulation. It's quite another to "encourage" a single ISP act in the "publics best interest".
The thing to remember here (or realize) is that the Constitution does not grant any rights. It "protects" rights that you already have. The Bill of Rights is not exhaustive.
I agree with you and I offer a solution.
Stop legislating. No laws to regarding privacy, copyright or licenses. Let us sort it out. I mean of someone, including the government wants to snoop, let them. But I get to make it as difficult, or impossible, as I can. Apply the same rule to copyright as well.
Pretty soon, people will realize that to have privacy you have to take steps to ensure it. Companies will either find a way to protect there precious IP or giveup.
Things will just work out eventually IF no laws are passed either direction. And of course if a couple of laws that go too far already are repealed.
First thing we do, get Natalie to represent us in the tv spots. She could prove very effective at getting apathetic geeks to show up at our first political convention.
I will bring this idea up over and over again until it happens
heh. If Cyberangels really wante some attention they'd pay gobs of money to Ms. Portman to be their spokeswoman.
It's seems most of the people posting comments dont' read the links either.
This is not the government calling hackers to service. It's a corporation called "cyberangels" trying to raise it's stature in the public eye.
Yeah, what's up with corporations thinking it's okay to act like some kind of authority figure? I'm getting kinda tired of it.
Anybody here work in advertising or media produciton? If you want to serve your country organize a "I Call Bullshit" ad campaign. So we all chip in cash and run ads to address all the misinformation put out by the spin doctors in the government. Fight fire with fire.
I've got 23 dollars to chip in.