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Carnivore Comes To India
pamri writes: "India is getting its own version of Carnivore. According to this Times of India article,'...after investigations have revealed that Mohammad, alias "Burger," who led the Parliament attack, was in constant touch with his counterparts in Pakistan as well as within India through email ... The Intelligence Bureau (IB) has prepared a list of new keywords that are to be used to intercept mails emanating from IP addresses in India.'"
as long as it's kept away from the Sacred Cows.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
This sounds like a supreme waste of time. The sad part is, people wont agree with me.
Firstly, it's been directly stated by terrorists themselves (watch the video!) that transmissions to the lower-level parties involved which *contain instructions* usually don't occur until mere hours before the terrorist act. It isn't as if the terrorists know that they'll be bombing a specific target for months, they find out shortly before. This means that any flagged transmissions will have to be analyzed, which I guarrentee takes a longer amount of time than it does for some terrorist to prepare, ready himself, and carry out the final attack.
Secondly, these things are going to be spammed or encrypted into oblivion. See point one about time constraints, and then realize that India has a large population. If you scan every email for content and come up with 5 million emails per day that are flagged by the server, how long will it take to process that data? How long do they have?
Yikes. They'd have better luck issueing a statement like, "Mr. Terrorist? Please stop it. We'll give you penguin dolls."
Egads, you mean terrorists are using email now?
Whats going to happen when they learn how to encrypt the stuff?
Don't you all feel so much safer knowing that the various governments have started tracking emails. At the very least it will weed out the more stupid terrorists who don't know how encrypt their emails.
Just leaving the smart ones, kind of Darwinian selection.
OK, carnivore, feeding time: Burger attack.
.sig available on 'Need To Know' basis only!
Till now, the IB had concentrated more on email IDs with reference to obvious giveaways such as Kashmir, Lashkar, Pakistan, Musharraf etc. For example, an email ID such as Lashkar@hotmail.com should be under the surveillance of the IB.
umm.. jeez... you could pretty much use ROT-13 on those words and get past the mail filter!! then again... they use a different language... and eventually the government will catch on... heh... can't we all just GPG?
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would the fbi like to open my snail mail too? just because they have the ability to examine everyones internet traffic doesnt mean they SHOULD. god fucking damn it.
If we gave them a list of keywords such as "amazing," "opportunity," "cash" and "enlargement," do you think they could go ahead and filter out all the spam while they're at it? A lot of that comes from India anyway, and they'd be killing two birds with one Carnivore.
The system works like this: A software filters mails that repeatedly use the words that the IB has shortlisted. The more obvious keywords would include Jaish, Kashmir, Lashkar. Others are attack, kill, rocket. Let us not forget "Fragged." ...oh, wait... thought we were talking about a LAN party.
Much of the data that's shipped around the United States is carried on privately-owned cable/fiber/whatever (ie Qwest, MCI, AT&T, etc), isn't it? Is this the case in India? A Carnivore would be lots easier to implement on state-owned data pipelines. That way the government would be able to bypass the ISPs completely.
...as is Carnivore. Collection of massive amounts of raw data is one thing. Analyzing and making sense of it is another. No surveillance system could have prevented that attack or the Sept.11 attack. Are you telling me that having a certain series of keywords in an e-mail will result in a knock at the front door? Governments simply don't have those kinds of resources available.
I wonder if one of the phrases is 'quickie mart'
What I do think that would be the problem is of course, different ways to word things, and also using various code. Not nessiary the usage of Hindu here, but Arabic too. If they -really- wanted to be paranoid, the usage of keywords in English and Chinese could be used as well.
Now, counterpoint to all the crypto-related flaws: There are chances where snooping would cause a situation where the actual criminal were to slip and send an unencrypted email msg. It's very possible. A point that I agree with is that the crypto -will- hurt efforts because of the need to have the computer power to crack the crypto, which based on some technologies this could be a very time-consuming task that wouldn't help on timely matters.
Ho hum -- in India I'm sure they don't have the US rights the US people all love and enjoy, so the Indians are going to just have to deal with it.
Karma whorin' since 1999
It is just coming. Deep inequalities between nations and between different citizens of the same state are not new, but a complete and widespread awareness of these facts and the awareness of the fact that world as a whole has non-renewable sources of wealth, destroyed continiously by the rich will make democracy an option of the past. Totalitarian governments are coming in small steps, the first rules are applicable to strangers and terrorists, and states that thake those first steps are the richest or the most populated nations. But this is just the beginning. Fear it, get ready for it but don't fight it, resistance is futile and may reduce life expectancy drastically.
Natural language processing has come a long way in just the last couple of years. Astonishingly effective applications such as Sinope Summarizer are freely available; I can only imagine what an organization with the motivation and resources of the IB, NSA, FBI or CIA might have. I'd feel somewhat disappointed if their software weren't vastly superior to anything I've seen.
I'd imagine it might be based on Cyc or a similar dark project, and might achieve a 97% or better success rate at identifying questionable messages, with very few false negatives.
Assuming a billion emails a day, and five million of them being questionable, I'd suspect such a system could cull that number down to a few thousand—if the target messages were truly that few in number. As a matter of fact, I'd suggest that if sufficient computing power were available, to skip the keyword-scanning filter entirely, since such communications might be carried on with an alternate vocabulary substituted for hotbutton terms. Finding those messages requires more language processing intelligence than Carnivore would seem to have currently.
How are they going to find that message, or understand its significance? The NSA intercepted and decrypted a large number of Soviet diplomatic/intelligence messages in the 1940s (VENONA). Despite a large amount of work, the identities of many of the agents referred to in the messages are unknown.
Mea navis aericumbens anguillis abundat
whether he use email or not, it's not important.
The important issue is whether he use vi or emacs.
-- Hasbullah bin Pit (sebol)
Keep in mind that India is the country with a right-wing fundamentalist Hindu nationalist government that practises a form of legalized Apartheid called the Caste system.
India has coveted Kashmir for decades and is carrying out a brutal military occupation against the majority Muslim Kashmiri population that is well-documented by international human rights groups and in violation of UN Security Council Resolutions.
Considering that both India and Pakistan have their military forces on high alert as I write this, with inflammatory rhetoric flying and threats of nuclear war, you can be sure to view anything that India's spy agency says to the press as probable propaganda and posturing.
That said, India should stick to doing more important things like feeding and housing its people. The number of people who don't even have a meal far outstrip -- by orders of magnitude -- those who use the Internet in that impoverished and backwards country. I'd be very surprised if many average people know what the Internet is, let alone have knowledge of subjects like digital privacy rights and the like.
Still, small details like those never stopped any country from finding new ways to spy on its citizens.
The Times of India story lists several of these hotbutton words—Kashmir, Lashkar, Pakistan, Musharraf, Jaish, attack, kill, rocket— along with an assurance that those who send email using these keywords will be put under surveillance.
Then they put a link at the bottom to email the story to your friends!!!
I can barely catch my breath, I'm laughing so hard!
I hope they don't call it Carnivore. Most Hindus (who are vegetarian) wouldnt take too kindly to having a meat-eating piece of software.
:)
Maybe Herbivore will do!
However a country that miltarily occupies another nation usually isn't too concerned about minor things such as Internet privacy rights.
What the hell are you talking about ?
I thought they were vegetarians over there... :)
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...it would wreck the whole system, wouldn't it? Better hope we just email the link around.
India has a carnivore clone ?. Well with 15 languages and even more encoding schemes for native languages I would like to see India government filter through this mess of Utf8,UCS4,IsCII, TScii (encodings). But personally I will say that india government is wating public money to slow down the currently shaky internet. But terrorism is a real threat and we have found to our error when our parliament was attacked. But monitoring email is no solution when people talk "onnu poda , chumma adipidi koodathe" (malyalam written in roman script) Well just wasting their time , and our money
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Up early for some reason today, Tim?
India, which maintains 600,000 soldiers and paramilitary police in Kashmir, is accused by Indian and international rights groups of massive human rights violations in a dirty guerilla war in which at least 75,000 have died.
This topic is about privacy rights.
His (her?) point was that if India does things like abuse basic human rights in its military occupation of Kashmir with 600,000 troops (that's 25% more than the 500,000 troops we sent to the Gulf War), then we shouldn't be surprised that India wants to curtail Internet privacy rights as well.
You should also read the comment that s/he was responding to for the full context. It's quite clear if you just read what's in front of you.
Goddammit, I am so fed up with these constant assassinations of Internet privacy anytime it is revealed that a terrorist group used email or cryptography to coordinate their attacks. I bet they also used telephones, cell phones, and snail mail to communicate as well. Why the fuck aren't these sodding politicians calling for monitoring of voice conversations and physical inspection of packages and letters? If they are serious about security why not go the whole nine yards? Speech recognition technology could surely make the former feasible. <sarcasm>After all, only those who are doing something wrong have something to hide.</sarcasm>
That bullshit never happens because most people, whether here in the US or over in India, wouldn't stand for such a blatant invasion of their privacy. Just because technology makes monitoring Internet communications an order of magnitude easier, doesn't fucking make it right! Whether it is listening in on a phone conversation, sniffing a packet, or tearing open a letter the intrusion is still the same.
It takes a nation of millions to wage war, but only a single man to commit terrorism. Until we address the factors that lead people to such desperation that they are willing to give their lives to cold-hearted violence, we will wage this war until we inevitably lose it.
We have always had the means to destroy ourselves - but terrorists have finally given us the motivation to do so. And like the proverbial frog in the pot of water, we are slowly selling out our treasured civil liberties for an illusion of security. And the day we lose this so-called War on Terror is when we have silently replaced the republics of the world with police states that hide behind masks of democracy and pay lip-service to freedom.
We want some answers and all that we get
Some kind of shit about a terrorist threat
- Ministry
Someone was asking for evidence of this - I know its somewhat off-topic but here's some info from Human Rights Watch's report on India's "secret army" in Kashmir:
Indian security forces have intensified their efforts against militant groups, stepping up cordon-and-search operations and summarily executing captured militant leaders. Alongside them, operating as a secret, illegal army, have been state-sponsored paramilitary groups, composed of captured or surrendered former militants described as "renegades" by the Indian government. Many of these groups have been responsible for grave human rights abuses, including summary executions, torture, and illegal detention as well as election-related intimidation of voters.
Again, if India's willing to do this sort of thing, then Digital Rights are of no consequence. That doesn't sound like any kind of democracy to me
Only an al-qaeda sympathizer would object to
the carnivore. It is very possible that Osama
himself regularly trolls slashdot. He is probably
responsible for a good number of the goatse.cx
posts that we see. So by identifying all people
on the internet, we will finally locate and
capture osama. If you are against this war on
terrorism, then you must be an al-qaeda
sympathizer. In that case expect a long prison
sentence for your support of terrorism.
EMailtaps or not,What is needed is to prevent these guys from getting near sensitive installations
Wanted : A Signature.
Hmmm...not my choice for a hindu name.
Herbivore?
Some of the independant project (such as altavore) seem to have fallen off the face of the earth.
.jpg/.gif/etc. out of the thin airport that wireless users using.
I'm intersted in putting together a set of tools that aren't driven by the FBI/CIA/TLA of your choice (and this has the distinct smell of the Justice department's distribution of INSLAW's PROMISE software to thrid world "justice processes").
Idealy, I'd like to see something like Rayeton's Slient Runner, Network Flight Recorder or Carnivore (who makes that software? I forget), but if I must piece together as set of tools using things like the dsniff suite of utilities, that's fine too. Ultimately, the goal is to be able to tap into any communication stream (file sharing, web browsing, instant messaging/IRC, e-mail (including SSL protected web mail), Usenet News, etc.)... NFR and dsniff make it fairly easy to add new protocol parsing/decoding to the survailed stream; however it would be far better if the project/effort were open source so taht an infinate number of monkies could add new protocols (a la Snort).
Some things that I think are missing, however, include things like RADIUS/dhcp/DNS services integration that would allow an authenticated and assigned IP address to be assigned a name by the LDAP lookup of the customer/subject name/ID.
One of the other projects I like is that little utility that apple guy at stanford wrote that grabs
I found it funny when Zimmerman expressed regret for his work on PGP after 911... least he could do is begin work on a project that could undo the potential damage (oh, wait, NA already did that for him...). Well, at least he could start a new project in the opposite direction...
my take on the current situation? open source and facism (and if you only know what that term means from it's connative meaning... look it up; the USA is currently heading straight into the loving arms of mother fascism) are *not* incompatable by any streach of the imagination... In fact, open source would do well to cash in on some of the defensive stock/security product hedging that is happening right now.
So, what do you guys thing? Up for the challenge?
What else can it be?
Forget encryption. Forget the use of substitute words such as "supari" for a "contract". Forget the huge volume of mail.
What are you going to do about the 15 official languages, the different encodings, Indian languages written in roman script and a few others I haven't thought of?
Here's an idea - why doesn't everybody in the world who cares about freedom send an email every now and then that consists entirely of 'forbidden' words. The only way to counter excessive surveillance is to make it useless - which it is anyway. Coming up next - the world 'look middle-eastern day'...
What is the point? What is the point of spending money on a system that is so useless? i bet it could even be fooled by a zip-compressed attachment or the rot-13 feature on most email clients. Is it multi-lingual? i think not, oh well there goes messages in over 200 different languages. can it tell that bo.mb or b-o-m-b = bomb? i have a feeling it can't, oh look someone rendered their text and diagrams to a bit-map, can it do ocr? hmmm, in realtime with multi-gigabytes of data per second? um.. no. These are just simple ways around the system without even using compression. why would politicians put themselves in a position like this when the system they are proposing has no use what-so-ever.
[begin carnivore bait] I'm going to hi-jack a plane and bomb the whitehouse where those bloody afgans messed up. Bin Laden Rules!!! long live bin laden. Drugs cocaine bomb bombs nuclear plane flight hi-jack attack terrorist allah lord bush force anthrax [end carnivore bait]
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What the hell, these buggers fight Christians in the US, Jews in Israel and Hindus in Tibet.
Oh sorry, that was Hindus in Tibet AND India.
What nonsense? As an Indian who has seen it all (well, there was a bomb-blast in my neighbours house, and I've seen terrorits with guns on the streets), I can tell you one thing.
It is all the muslim populace, sympathetic towards Pakistan, which is responsible for all the abuses in Kashmir.
What is Lakshar-e-Taiba? What is Mujahideen? And please don't tell me that a nation run by an army dictator is in anyway better than a nation which has practiced non-alignment, and has been a democracy for 50 years despite it's partition. Despite wars on all sides, India has maintained it's democracy. US is unable to do anything with the loss of *just* 2 buildings.
We have LTTE on the south, China on the east, Paksitan sponsored terrorism on the north, and still India is a democratic nation.
A nation like US could _never_ do it. You people are too comfortable in your couches to know what is out there.
There is no such group of Sacred Cows, Mister, all cows are equally sacred. Just because you don't respect your cows' holiness does not make them less sacred.
Attack = breakfeast
Parliament = restaurant
bomb = warm meal
kill = eat
people = french fries
Lets have a breakfeast at the restaurant on january 12. We can have a warm meal, and eat as many french fries as we can.
That Carnivore and systems like it could very well be a terrorist's best friend? If I was a terrorist and wanted to engage in some serious mis-direction efforts I would *LOVE* Carnivore and systems like it. Spread some rumors about smuggling a bomb though an airport, while hitting another target.
I think that someone should release the Carnivore under GPL
It is all the muslim populace, sympathetic towards Pakistan, which is responsible for all the abuses in Kashmir.
Uh.. yeah. That they are a majority in Kashmir means nothing to you, as you obviously believe in democracy.
An attack was planned on our military in which we intercepted some messages. We were not sure of the target because it was referred to by a code word. We had the suspected target send a plain text message indicating the water desalination plant failed and needed parts. When the oposition reported the failure, we confirmed the codeword as equating to that base. Does anybody have the details on that incident? I think it was WW2 and one of the small Pacific Islands.
The truth shall set you free!
Oh sorry, that was Hindus in Tibet AND India.
Oh yeah.. that's it. The Chinese Communist Party has been Muslim from the beginning, folks. You heard it right here...
There is only one isp in india, govemrnet controlled of course. It is going to be privitised soon though. There are about 1/4 million "internet cafes" in india alone, some in the most remote parts of india, with no supervision. And most internet users in india know english, or access the web through a hindi(main language of india) language pack. So there are only two languages to worry about really, encryption is of barely any concern because it would take too long to acquire it. True, there is tons of pirated software floating around india, but thats mostly games.
How do I know all this? Because ive been there about 300x so know the place pretty well, and alot of my relatives are in the gov't so i got an idea of how they think.
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I have it on good authority that the terrorists obtained food and beverages at their local supermarkets, and as such these are support centers and must be shut down immediately.
Get the facts right. The muslims are in majority because they drew off all the "Cow Worshipping" Hindus from Kashmir. Those who didn't migrate were/are killed. Check the stats of killings majority of them are either army personnel or Hindus.!
Screw Burger, he had his time.
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Yes, there are many languages and their dialects used around India. How the hell are they going to handle the different languages? And even if they manage to handle the different scripts, how will they filter people who write marathi or hindi in the roman script? There are many ways of spelling a marathi/hindi/XYZ word in roman script, and while they do make sense to a human who knows the language, how the hell will an algorithm differentiate between two different words?
-Shaunak.
well okay, there are many many encoding schemes. what about full encryption? i assume some level of it is not outlawed...say 40 bit, which can be cracked. thing is, by the time they've cracked it, it will be too late. even still, how about throwing key letters, encrypted if you want, at regular intervals, into a plain old message. it would just look like spelling mistakes, or, if you're really on the ball you can even make a flawless message.
these sorts of systems would be a joke to would be criminals with half a mind... oh no... i've said too much. they're watching....
perhaps i will speek in elvish....
lasto beth nin, tolo dan na ngalad
Stupid typo on my part :-/
My experience is that the US is not really freer than a lot of other countries, and it is selective in which "freedoms" are really available. The US probably has as much or more economic freedom than most any other first-world place - that is, lower taxes and fewer bureaucratic obstacles to doing business. But in other freedoms, the US lags behind. The Sklyarov case is a good indication of that, as is the war on drugs and the rights that the police have to sieze property they even suspect is related to it, without so much as a court order. In much of Europe, small-scale drug use and possession is tolerated openly. In most other countries, there is more freedom of speech when such freedom threatens corporate "property".
I guess you're talking about procedural protections for people suspected of a crime; in that regard, the US has, or at least used to have, a number of safeguards that most other countries lacked. But that's changing.
what if everyone rot13'd their messages? keyword search that, buddy!
And, Emacs has a "spook" command (M-x spook) which adds a line of "subversive" text to your email. It was originally to distract the NSA, which would have to work so much harder to throw away your email from the important ones. It's rather dated though: words like "nuclear" "bomb" "kill" and maybe "Reagan". Lots of fun!
Don't spread help myths as always.
by your logic the conservative government in most powerful country should be called right wing Christian ????
Goverment does not practice caste system. Th president belongs to different caste if that is what you want to know.
BJP has people of all faiths. And frankly the government right now is mish mash of multiple parties. ( problem with multiparty democracies )
You mail smacks of ignorance and same kind of smugnewss when streets of arab pointed towards mossad as the perpretators of the crime.
Kashmir is an integral part of India and we will not part with it at any cost (specifically because of religion for the least )
Well unfortuantely the technology always helps the more powerful, what we are fighting right now is a form of patriot law called as POTO. And the water gate scandal proved , politicians use power and technology to further gain the former. That includes politicians from most advanced countries and most under developed.
That's a bad load of anti-Indian slander from 'Anonymous Coward'. Just about the only thing right in his post was that India should focus on improving life for her downtrodden.
Here's why the post's wrong: First: India is a constitutionally secular country, not a Hindu one. (I myself am an Indian Christian, a recent convert from Hinduism). The Caste system is illegal, and practising it prosecuted under Indian law. The implementation of these laws, however, is not thorough -- inefficiency and corruption plague the Indian administration and justice systems. (Though recently, things have been improving faster)
Secondy, as far as coveting Kashmir goes, the state of Jammu and Kashmir legally merged with India sometime in 1948. A UN resolution passed then, required Pakistan to withdraw it's forces, and let Kashmir come under complete *Indian* control. India was then to host a plebiscite over the entire state. However Pakistan never withdrew... and the rest is history. You can verify this here (see page 11).
Lastly, getting down to the main topic -- I think using a Carnivore-like system to promiscuously trawl for information without a court order is wrong. An analogy would be a policeman habitually entering into people's homes to check for thieves. And I also think that the spook (it must be one of ours) who released this to our media was simply indulging in wishful thinking (fundamental rights are -- we don't have that many supercomputers.
Excuse me.. Religion does not mean nation-state.
Kashmir is an official part of the country of India. The extremists not the law abiding muslim populace are wreaking havoc.
Maybe South Miami should become New Cuba, after all the populace is now of hispanic descent in its majority no?
I notice a major problem with this operation. What about webmail? Hotmail.com although started by an Indian is located in the USA. Are they also going to monitor all HTTP traffic? Infact 100 to 1 I'd bet that a terrorist wouldn't be using POP3. I mean you'd rather lug an AK47 than a laptop. Plus he can walk into any browsing center and log into his account. What about those super secure webmails that have 128 bit encrypted java applets which act as you MUAs? Heck I can get a web mail account from Russia if I wanted.
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BTW, a lot of incorrect facts about India have been bandied about, and being in the heart of it all, (I live and hack in India) I'd like to set facts straight.
a)
Myth: There is only one ISP in India
Fact: There are hundreds of ISPs in India. VSNL was the sole ISP only till 1998. Even the CIA world fact book gets the major ISPs right. There are 48 major ISPs! (read Class A).
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos
I get cable at home in Madras from a gateway in Singapore (singnet). It travels via a dedicated undersea line that is not government controlled. Heck even my DNS lookup goes to Singapore (3000 odd kms.) Mine is a Class B ISP that the CIA page does not even recognise. There are Classes A through E! So, no there isn't one major check point like China.
b)
Myth: Internet penetration in India is low.
Fact:There are millions (literally) of cybercafes in India. Satyam iWay , one of the medium sized chains has some 400 iWays with global profile and roaming facility and they say they have 12.5 million users. And these are only located in the major cities, what about the rest of India. Nin-urban population comprises 85% of India. You are looking at a staggering number of people in the billions.
c)
Myth: Hindi & English are the only languages that are important.
Fact: Hindi & English yes, but India has 2000+ languages, and only 15 official ones. Try any Indian email service even the web based ones like rediff.com and you'll find more than 10 languages in which you can send an email.
d)
Myth: Encryption is not avaialble easily
Fact: Encryption is freely available. Heck ever heard of GPG anyone? or PGP? It's only 5 minutes to download... even in India. Besides we have the largest number of software professionals in the world. Wanna reconsider?
e)
Myth: The government doesn't have mammoth computing resources
Fact: Yes, super computers like the Cray were not allowed into India until recently. So we had to build our own (Param). We built the Like all governments in the world they are still coming to terms with the technology, but they do have tons of cash, so don't put it past them to be on top of things given a while.
All they have to do is datastream over a ham set, plug a modem into a satellite phone, or dial up a low-speed connection to an ISP in another country, and they suddenly can talk to the world as though they're somewhere else.
For the ham set, they need only be gauranteed of a connection suitable for some sort of TCP-like functionality. This would be the cheapest alternative. No paper trail, and you can encrypt your transmissions so nobody would be able to make sense of whatever they heard.
For the satellite phone, well, they can use whatever's still available. (Haven't kept any sort of track. I don't even remember if Irridium is still up.) Granted, it can cost a great deal of money per minute, but if you're a terrorist with megabucks at your disposal, this isn't a problem, right? However, this method is very traceable, as paying for a satellite phone is likely to leave a wide paper trail.
And modems are the simplest solution. I have family members that often have to connect to ISPs in America, from Korea. (For commercial reasons, and it counts as a business expense) Paper trails can be almost non-existant. Just buy some prepaid telephone cards from Walgreens in Michigan, and mail 'em!
And, just because I'm a little nervous as to how people would react to my thinking of this, let me point out that security by obscurity won't work against anyone with most of a brain.
What's this Submit thingy do?
Remember when the US used the Navajo language to encode their communications during World War II?
:), make the bytes opposite-endian, and rotate the bits of every byte by x notches?
Why not use Unicode to write in some obscure language (like Elven?
What's this Submit thingy do?
This poster is no doubt some sort of Pakistani fanatic who's mind is too poisoned to distinguish fact from fiction.
I'm an American who's been to India and studied their culture just a tad. Do your own research, come to your own conclusion. If you have half a brain you'll see this poster is very confused.
India and their Hindu culture are rather interesting and quite nice, hard to demonify in any way.
clearly you're a terrorist assmonkey. you fuckin muslem dicksucker. you're a bunch of faggots that dress like whores, and uphold mohammed the dickless, and faceless, prophet of god. allah = bigtime faggot.
hell... mohammed is such a fag. he opened a deli in castro, and serves a sandwich called the "koran-e-fag".
suck on that terrorist motherfucker.
oh wait... clearly you're a russian fag. hey wait, aren't all russians fags.... go back to your Mather Rassiah faggot...
the internet was invented in america. and it's ours. so fuck you, piece of shit. Tsar of what... your toilet... faggot brotherfucker.
you BLOW CUM fag !!
Back in the 80s, rumor had it that the NSA was filtering email and Usenet news for keywords, such as "bomb", "nuclear", "explosive", etc. The solution that many came up with was to overload the system by including such keywords in every message.
If you really want to counter-act such a system, always add some of the keywords on the list to your emails. Not even the government can afford to monitor every single email.
Also remember to encrypt everything. That raises the amount of work the government would have to do even more, reducing the number of messages they could actually monitor. I'd recommend PGP or GnuPG.
Software sucks. Open Source sucks less.
beware ....
-- Knowing too much can get you killed, but knowing who knows too much can make you rich.
Don't worry, they're just e-mailing the link to the story...not the story itself !
:-)
let me be frank . I would not like someone going through my mails but if it can prevent something like 9/11 or 12/13 Why the hell not ??
Uh dude, people from China near the Tibetan-East Pakistan/Bangladesh border *are* muslims. I can't help it if you couchy americans are ignorant of whats going on around the world. And have the cheek to be so explicit about it.
Where's RAW when you need him?
668: Neighbour of the Beast
You seem to have little sense in what you talk. India is a secular state. Infact the largest democracy. Its completely legitmate on india's part to safegaurd its teritorry. (doesnt US do that).
India atleast tries to keep its military in its teritorry, rather than many countries including US who have outside occupation.
Isnt it obvious that these islamic terrorists have nothing else other than blow up towers, planes, themselves.
The western world doesnt see what exactly is INDIA, infact their ignorance is much worse that the internet ignorance found in many rural parts of the country. Guess all they are deprieved is PORN
Excellent Link, Thanks! I was in crypto 25 years ago and forgot the details of that incident.
The truth shall set you free!
Can you forward pointers towards what you say?
India does not have one ISP, there are atleast a few thousand, each sizable town has several private ISPs and there are more than 5 which have their own International Gateways.
India has 15 languages, but there is only one webmail provider which provides services to mail in languages other than English, and anyway devnagari scripts are hard to type on your normal 108 key keyboard
The stupid things like lashkar@hotmail.com were probably "intelligent guesses" bye the Times of India reporter, who you must admit is not any dumber than non-tech reporters in the US, or even your ex presideng Al-Gore who thinks he "invented" the internet.
So There!