By the way, the median income means nothing to me if the middle class is shrinking. I don't understand how the median income can be improving if the middle class is disappearing and the ranks of the poor are swelling.
That's idiotic. The salary of the Indian programmer vs. my salary has absolutely nothing to do with skill level and everything to do with how much THINGS in general cost in each country. You understand basic economics, right? The reason I want/need $40,000 (actually more) per year is because that's what it costs to live in this country. Especially with education for the poor being so expensive. So aside (once again) from somehow lowering my cost of living to $11,000, there's nothing I can do aside from spending more money and retooling for another job that will also get outsourced eventually and on and on and on....
Yes. I know. The Africans have it worse off. I feel sorry for them. I truly do. But aside from all first-worlders handing over everything we own to the 3rd world, is there another way to do this? To distribute the wealth.
That's the big thing the apologists miss. America is expensive. I'd love it personally if this were not the case. Then I wouldn't have had to take out $30,000 in student loans to get an education to get out of poverty.
Their reasoning is that we're supposed to be nimble and get educated again. To what end? When I have 7 PHDs and $1million in student debt will that be enough? Will their be a job I can get? Or should I just go apply for Wal-Mart greeter now? Because this "learn more and keep up" crap is stupid. I already know what I need to know to do my job. So my choices are spend more money going to school or get a service job. Great choice.
How must I compete, Mensa? Lower my standard of living to $11,000 per year? Move to India? Become a nuclear physicist or nanotechnologist overnight (until that job gets outsourced)? This "do a better job, loser" garbage gets old. This has nothing to do with "better". It has to do with the fact that there are 5-some billion people on this planet so they can keep moving from country to country paying the lowest possible wages to get what they want. They being the rich. It has nothing to do with our effort or skill level.
Actually, there was a day and time when you could make money, feed your family, etc. by just doing a good job day in and day out. That day ended, yes. So I guess apparantly I have to work for 10 years to get my PHD, then invent something in order to have any chance of making any money? Is that the moral of your story? Wow, that's certainly economical. Wal-Mart greeter is looking like the right career move right now.
The little guy doesn't get to assemble these either, by the way. Those jobs have also been outsourced. We get to sell them if we're lucky. This isn't the economy Adam Smith envisioned. It's capitalism to it's logical excess. The rich keep getting richer. The poor keep getting poorer. There are 5+ billion people on the planet, right? Once the 2 billion or whatever in India become too expensive, they have 4 billion more they can exploit.
Just wait until the Indian programmers become too expensive and the jobs move to Elbonia. Can we expect a thoughtful article on how the greedy Indian programmers need to be nicer to the folks in Elbonia who are getting the jobs now.
It's all about the rich getting richer, nothing more.
Here here. Fedora is the best distro I have used also. I'm very happy with it. And I used to use SuSE, which is no slouch in its own right. Fedora is just really well put together. Let's hope this trend continues.
I wholeheartedly agree. Construx were awesome. Of all the toys that have ever been I keep wishing that these would make a comeback. Why couldn't we have Construx Mindstorms? That would rock. You could do something with that.
I agree. I wasn't lamenting my plight as a Gnome user. Rather taking the opportunity to joke that making a GTK app look like a QT app didn't seem like a good idea to me. Just a personal opinion.
Who needs the English class? You can't infer an opinion from someone's statement then I would say you need an English class. Language isn't just about literal statements. English isn't C++. There's inference throughout the language and yes I'M the on e who THINKS QT is hard on the eyes. And *I* *THINK* anyone who thinks it isn't is either blind or lying, but that is an opinion, whether or not I preface it with "I think". Sheesh.
Like I said, I use Gnome, in part because I like the way it looks as opposed to QT. QT is hard on the eyes. I'd prefer to see something that made QT Apps look like GTK.
Who's the dips***? You understand that generally when release candidates have bugs the bugs get fixed and you get a new release candidate? You knew that, didn't you? Standard practice isn't to push it out the door and say "Oh well, we'll send them 400mbs. of patches later".
Many (including myself) have had the opposite experience. Besides, install failures, while obviously a huge problem are one issue. And they can often be overcome. I've gotten Mandrake systems running in the past. They installed fine and then were buggy persistently from install on.
Oh come on, Mods. Flamebait? Have you used Mandrake? This is true. I love Mandrake. I would love to give them my money. But I can't in good concience when every release is more and more bug-riddled. And often the releases are pushed out with the same ISOs that a couple days before were release candidates.
And KDE is more usable than Gnome? I would debate this. KDE has more options. It's questionable whether that makes it more usable. I'd say in some ways it makes it more complicated thus less usable.
I think he meant because of speed and lack of bloat. Let's get real, KDE is a pig. Gnome is much thinner to run. Just my personal experience, but I'd much rather use a desktop programmed in C++ than Java or Python, just like I'd rather use a desktop programmed in C than C++.
Nevermind that as you just stated there are PLENTY of distros that only include or primarily feature KDE include Xandros, Lindows, Lycoris, etc. It's almost mind-boggling for the KDE-drones to whine about this when they have so many KDE exclusive distros AND they have primary billing on distros like SuSE and Mandrake. What the hell do you people want? Some of us like Gnome. And because of that some of us my CHOOSE Gnome. Live with it.
More to the point, what about all those distros out there (Xandros, Lycoris, Lyndows) that use KDE only. Often a customized version of KDE. KDE is getting used. You have your options KDE whiners. I don't understand why it's okay for some distros to choose to go primarily with KDE, but not for others to go primarily with Gnome. Grow up.
Bingo. I may be biased as a Gnome user that appreciates that Gnome just works, doesn't crash (admit it, if you've used KDE or QT apps you've seen the crashes, I have) and is simple. It's a window manager, not a platform. Linux is the platform. The apps are what I use. I just want my desktop to manage files a little, let me organize some folders and otherwise just manage windows. Gnome does this well and keeps getting faster and better at it. Gnome 2.4 rocks. Not everyone wants all the options KDE provides. There are plenty of distros that offer both.
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The median income has kept pace with inflashion?
By the way, the median income means nothing to me if the middle class is shrinking. I don't understand how the median income can be improving if the middle class is disappearing and the ranks of the poor are swelling.
That's idiotic. The salary of the Indian programmer vs. my salary has absolutely nothing to do with skill level and everything to do with how much THINGS in general cost in each country. You understand basic economics, right? The reason I want/need $40,000 (actually more) per year is because that's what it costs to live in this country. Especially with education for the poor being so expensive. So aside (once again) from somehow lowering my cost of living to $11,000, there's nothing I can do aside from spending more money and retooling for another job that will also get outsourced eventually and on and on and on....
Yes. I know. The Africans have it worse off. I feel sorry for them. I truly do. But aside from all first-worlders handing over everything we own to the 3rd world, is there another way to do this? To distribute the wealth.
That's the big thing the apologists miss. America is expensive. I'd love it personally if this were not the case. Then I wouldn't have had to take out $30,000 in student loans to get an education to get out of poverty.
Their reasoning is that we're supposed to be nimble and get educated again. To what end? When I have 7 PHDs and $1million in student debt will that be enough? Will their be a job I can get? Or should I just go apply for Wal-Mart greeter now? Because this "learn more and keep up" crap is stupid. I already know what I need to know to do my job. So my choices are spend more money going to school or get a service job. Great choice.
How must I compete, Mensa? Lower my standard of living to $11,000 per year? Move to India? Become a nuclear physicist or nanotechnologist overnight (until that job gets outsourced)? This "do a better job, loser" garbage gets old. This has nothing to do with "better". It has to do with the fact that there are 5-some billion people on this planet so they can keep moving from country to country paying the lowest possible wages to get what they want. They being the rich. It has nothing to do with our effort or skill level.
I doubt the ones that write for Wired will have to worry. Well, at least until Wired goes under.
Actually, there was a day and time when you could make money, feed your family, etc. by just doing a good job day in and day out. That day ended, yes. So I guess apparantly I have to work for 10 years to get my PHD, then invent something in order to have any chance of making any money? Is that the moral of your story? Wow, that's certainly economical. Wal-Mart greeter is looking like the right career move right now.
You're right. They use that money elsewhere.
Bigger boats
$15,000 watches
Expensive artwork
Marble dog-houses
McMegaMansions
The little guy doesn't get to assemble these either, by the way. Those jobs have also been outsourced. We get to sell them if we're lucky. This isn't the economy Adam Smith envisioned. It's capitalism to it's logical excess. The rich keep getting richer. The poor keep getting poorer. There are 5+ billion people on the planet, right? Once the 2 billion or whatever in India become too expensive, they have 4 billion more they can exploit.
...but it's still a race to the bottom.
Just wait until the Indian programmers become too expensive and the jobs move to Elbonia. Can we expect a thoughtful article on how the greedy Indian programmers need to be nicer to the folks in Elbonia who are getting the jobs now.
It's all about the rich getting richer, nothing more.
BTW, First Post.
Here here. Fedora is the best distro I have used also. I'm very happy with it. And I used to use SuSE, which is no slouch in its own right. Fedora is just really well put together. Let's hope this trend continues.
I wholeheartedly agree. Construx were awesome. Of all the toys that have ever been I keep wishing that these would make a comeback. Why couldn't we have Construx Mindstorms? That would rock. You could do something with that.
I agree. I wasn't lamenting my plight as a Gnome user. Rather taking the opportunity to joke that making a GTK app look like a QT app didn't seem like a good idea to me. Just a personal opinion.
Who needs the English class? You can't infer an opinion from someone's statement then I would say you need an English class. Language isn't just about literal statements. English isn't C++. There's inference throughout the language and yes I'M the on e who THINKS QT is hard on the eyes. And *I* *THINK* anyone who thinks it isn't is either blind or lying, but that is an opinion, whether or not I preface it with "I think". Sheesh.
Like I said, I use Gnome, in part because I like the way it looks as opposed to QT. QT is hard on the eyes. I'd prefer to see something that made QT Apps look like GTK.
By the way, this was part of my point. There is no real "Release Candidate" with Mandrake. It's always in beta.
Who's the dips***? You understand that generally when release candidates have bugs the bugs get fixed and you get a new release candidate? You knew that, didn't you? Standard practice isn't to push it out the door and say "Oh well, we'll send them 400mbs. of patches later".
I've found SuSE and now Fedora run MUCH better than Mandrake on anything. Laptop or otherwise.
Many (including myself) have had the opposite experience. Besides, install failures, while obviously a huge problem are one issue. And they can often be overcome. I've gotten Mandrake systems running in the past. They installed fine and then were buggy persistently from install on.
Oh come on, Mods. Flamebait? Have you used Mandrake? This is true. I love Mandrake. I would love to give them my money. But I can't in good concience when every release is more and more bug-riddled. And often the releases are pushed out with the same ISOs that a couple days before were release candidates.
We will test a release candidate at least 3 days before releasing it from Cooker.
Golden rule number 10?
We will not take a release candidate, not bother to patch existing bugs and then just rename it the release.
And KDE is more usable than Gnome? I would debate this. KDE has more options. It's questionable whether that makes it more usable. I'd say in some ways it makes it more complicated thus less usable.
I think he meant because of speed and lack of bloat. Let's get real, KDE is a pig. Gnome is much thinner to run. Just my personal experience, but I'd much rather use a desktop programmed in C++ than Java or Python, just like I'd rather use a desktop programmed in C than C++.
Nevermind that as you just stated there are PLENTY of distros that only include or primarily feature KDE include Xandros, Lindows, Lycoris, etc. It's almost mind-boggling for the KDE-drones to whine about this when they have so many KDE exclusive distros AND they have primary billing on distros like SuSE and Mandrake. What the hell do you people want? Some of us like Gnome. And because of that some of us my CHOOSE Gnome. Live with it.
More to the point, what about all those distros out there (Xandros, Lycoris, Lyndows) that use KDE only. Often a customized version of KDE. KDE is getting used. You have your options KDE whiners. I don't understand why it's okay for some distros to choose to go primarily with KDE, but not for others to go primarily with Gnome. Grow up.
Bingo. I may be biased as a Gnome user that appreciates that Gnome just works, doesn't crash (admit it, if you've used KDE or QT apps you've seen the crashes, I have) and is simple. It's a window manager, not a platform. Linux is the platform. The apps are what I use. I just want my desktop to manage files a little, let me organize some folders and otherwise just manage windows. Gnome does this well and keeps getting faster and better at it. Gnome 2.4 rocks. Not everyone wants all the options KDE provides. There are plenty of distros that offer both.