Some of their GUI tools are annoying, though. Like the network GUI forces you to use a wizard to setup your network settings. Fine if you use DHCP. A pain in the butt if you use static IP and want to just go back and make a change. It's silly crap like that that prevents me from really giving Mandrake a shot. That and the bugs.
I agree totally. Having used Red Hat, then Mandrake, then SuSE, now Fedora I have the same take on Mandrake. I'd love to use it if it wasn't so flipping buggy. If they didn't push Cooker out the door with like 2 days testing I'd probably consider buying it since they do distribute ISOs, involve their users, etc. but I just can't see paying for something that requires a half GB of patches after the first couple weeks. And that's just the patches, doesn't take into account problems with Supermount, etc.
Mod this up. This is the best Soviet Russia reference in a long time. Not overt, very clever. Two thumbs up.
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They are destroying the US at rapid pace. 2 decades ago we had a thriving manufacturing and high-tech economy. That disappeared and you were given the choice of Wal-Mart or high-tech. Some of us chose high tech. That bottomed out and now if you're unemployed because your job got shipped to India you can't even right GPL software without fear of lawsuit from some jackass like Darl McBride. I would say CEOs are destroying this country at rapid pace.
Don't forget that technically with "Educational" software you can only do educational work with it. Seriously. According to the terms of the agreement if you so much as email grandma with it you're breaking the agreement. So have fun. Hopefully Billy's thugs doesn't come knocking on your door. Especially when you graduate and expect to keep using it (which would also break the license you have purchased).
Am I the only one that started envisioning Itchy and Scratchy (of Simpsons fame) going at each other with saws and blowtorches wearing KDE and Gnome T-Shirts?
I'm wondering how you feel about the current state of the Linux SOHO market given your move (followed by Novell's move). I know you're focused on the Enterprise, but there are many of us who gladly forked over money for boxed sets and for services to run Unix-like OSes on our PCs. I bought 4 or 5 versions of Red Hat. 3 versions of Mandrake. 3 versions of SuSE. This week I switched to FreeBSD, thanks to your move and the threat of a similar move with SuSE. Do you understand (or care for that matter) that your move may actually endanger the uptake of Linux because those of us who get Linux into shops are going to stop using it at home because it's becoming cost prohibitive to run a stable Linux distro as a SOHO user?
Good question. I'm a "switcher". Moved to FreeBSD this week from Linux. Tired of the ever-present threat of commercial Linux vendors changing the terms of the agreement.
I agree totally. All this talk about how the portable market HAS to go 3D is certainly sad. The GBA has one of the best game lineups (especially if you like strategy or RPG games) on the market, but yet everyone is demanding 3D on a handheld. I'll stick with the current GBA, thanks.
No. I don't read People magazine. Didn't even know they talked about CEOs in People magazine. You seem to know a lot about it, though. For what it's worth, though, the actual scandals that are reported on are the tip of the ice berg. The entire 90s bubble was one giant executive/stockbroker/stock "analyst" stroke-fest where everyone made money by talking about how great things are when they weren't actually DOING anything of substance, with a few exceptions. So I don't think many CEOs, even those that DON'T appear in People, are immune from the scandal of making millions of dollars to basically act as figureheads for their companies.
Secondly, I'm one of those people who does actual work and has met very few executives that didn't get where they were because of connections or their ability to schmooze, etc.
So your one of *those* that believes CEOs earn their way to the top through hard work? Taking risks? Try schmoozing and having connections. The people doing the work are the ones who get paid squat to actual perform the day to day operations of the company. I'll gladly take risks for $20million+ per year. Pretty risky, knowing the worst that could happen is you have a couple hundred million to retire on.
#1 - Professional Athletes #2 - CEO #3 - CTO #4 - CIO #5 - Chairman of the board #6 - Generic Executives #7 - CEO #8 - CEO #9 - Guys at think tanks that produce articles like this #10 - CEO
I'm so with you. I've been using SuSE since 8.0. Found it looking for a stable destkop. I really hope they don't mess this up. If they do mess it up. If they stop offering a solid, no-frills, no-nonesense professional desktop I will stop buying their product.
Indeed. You'll wake up to a world where when you buy your distro you actually can be assured that you'll get supported. Unlike in Red Hatville or Mandrake-land.
I use SuSE too. Switched when Red Hat was at like 7.3. Glad I did. SuSE may sell their distro and may not give away ISOs, but at least I have reasonable assurances, since they've always run their business like a business, that updates will be available here into the future. Sucks. I liked Red Hat. Cut my teeth on it. Now it's gone, for all intents and purposes. SuSE rocks, though.
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You mean the logo in the menu? Where else is there a logo? I agree, though? Fedora is an awesome product and a positive, not a negative move.
I use it as my home OS now and it's awesome. Great experiences here. For sure.
Mod this up!!! So true.
I'm on Fedora also. Same reasons. Didn't want to do SuSE and Mandrake is a mess right now. Thus this wasn't a troll, but a joke. :-)
It's not a troll, it's the truth. Mod me back up.
Because Mandrake sure isn't.
Some of their GUI tools are annoying, though. Like the network GUI forces you to use a wizard to setup your network settings. Fine if you use DHCP. A pain in the butt if you use static IP and want to just go back and make a change. It's silly crap like that that prevents me from really giving Mandrake a shot. That and the bugs.
I agree totally. Having used Red Hat, then Mandrake, then SuSE, now Fedora I have the same take on Mandrake. I'd love to use it if it wasn't so flipping buggy. If they didn't push Cooker out the door with like 2 days testing I'd probably consider buying it since they do distribute ISOs, involve their users, etc. but I just can't see paying for something that requires a half GB of patches after the first couple weeks. And that's just the patches, doesn't take into account problems with Supermount, etc.
Mod this up. This is the best Soviet Russia reference in a long time. Not overt, very clever. Two thumbs up.
They are destroying the US at rapid pace. 2 decades ago we had a thriving manufacturing and high-tech economy. That disappeared and you were given the choice of Wal-Mart or high-tech. Some of us chose high tech. That bottomed out and now if you're unemployed because your job got shipped to India you can't even right GPL software without fear of lawsuit from some jackass like Darl McBride. I would say CEOs are destroying this country at rapid pace.
Bzzzzzt!!! Wrong. You can't use it for personal use either. Academic only.
Don't forget that technically with "Educational" software you can only do educational work with it. Seriously. According to the terms of the agreement if you so much as email grandma with it you're breaking the agreement. So have fun. Hopefully Billy's thugs doesn't come knocking on your door. Especially when you graduate and expect to keep using it (which would also break the license you have purchased).
What a weird-ass system. What the heck does grafting Java images into SuSE's Yast and a bastardized Gnome 2.4/2.2 have to do with a "Java Desktop"?
Am I the only one that started envisioning Itchy and Scratchy (of Simpsons fame) going at each other with saws and blowtorches wearing KDE and Gnome T-Shirts?
Okay, maybe I am the only one.
I'm wondering how you feel about the current state of the Linux SOHO market given your move (followed by Novell's move). I know you're focused on the Enterprise, but there are many of us who gladly forked over money for boxed sets and for services to run Unix-like OSes on our PCs. I bought 4 or 5 versions of Red Hat. 3 versions of Mandrake. 3 versions of SuSE. This week I switched to FreeBSD, thanks to your move and the threat of a similar move with SuSE. Do you understand (or care for that matter) that your move may actually endanger the uptake of Linux because those of us who get Linux into shops are going to stop using it at home because it's becoming cost prohibitive to run a stable Linux distro as a SOHO user?
Good question. I'm a "switcher". Moved to FreeBSD this week from Linux. Tired of the ever-present threat of commercial Linux vendors changing the terms of the agreement.
I agree totally. All this talk about how the portable market HAS to go 3D is certainly sad. The GBA has one of the best game lineups (especially if you like strategy or RPG games) on the market, but yet everyone is demanding 3D on a handheld. I'll stick with the current GBA, thanks.
No. I don't read People magazine. Didn't even know they talked about CEOs in People magazine. You seem to know a lot about it, though. For what it's worth, though, the actual scandals that are reported on are the tip of the ice berg. The entire 90s bubble was one giant executive/stockbroker/stock "analyst" stroke-fest where everyone made money by talking about how great things are when they weren't actually DOING anything of substance, with a few exceptions. So I don't think many CEOs, even those that DON'T appear in People, are immune from the scandal of making millions of dollars to basically act as figureheads for their companies.
Secondly, I'm one of those people who does actual work and has met very few executives that didn't get where they were because of connections or their ability to schmooze, etc.
So your one of *those* that believes CEOs earn their way to the top through hard work? Taking risks? Try schmoozing and having connections. The people doing the work are the ones who get paid squat to actual perform the day to day operations of the company. I'll gladly take risks for $20million+ per year. Pretty risky, knowing the worst that could happen is you have a couple hundred million to retire on.
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#1 - Professional Athletes
#2 - CEO
#3 - CTO
#4 - CIO
#5 - Chairman of the board
#6 - Generic Executives
#7 - CEO
#8 - CEO
#9 - Guys at think tanks that produce articles like this
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Assuming they keep releasing patches to 8.2. I'm looking at FreeBSD, personally.
Exactly. Or worse yet, get out of the desktop business altogether. Leaving us with Lycoris, Mandrake and Lindows. Yuck. FreeBSD here I come?
I'm so with you. I've been using SuSE since 8.0. Found it looking for a stable destkop. I really hope they don't mess this up. If they do mess it up. If they stop offering a solid, no-frills, no-nonesense professional desktop I will stop buying their product.
Indeed. You'll wake up to a world where when you buy your distro you actually can be assured that you'll get supported. Unlike in Red Hatville or Mandrake-land.
I use SuSE too. Switched when Red Hat was at like 7.3. Glad I did. SuSE may sell their distro and may not give away ISOs, but at least I have reasonable assurances, since they've always run their business like a business, that updates will be available here into the future. Sucks. I liked Red Hat. Cut my teeth on it. Now it's gone, for all intents and purposes. SuSE rocks, though.