Given, I haven't tried Sourceforge, but Trac is a HUGE pain to install. Mega-huge. In that the odds your server already has the dependencies taken care of are pretty much 0%. If I recall, it takes 4 different libraries (which have to be EXACT VERSIONS) or it won't do nothing.
They really need to streamline the installation so the standard (say) Dreamhost domain can run it before they can take over a lot of this market.
#emerge trac
Then do whatever configuration. Done.
Another poster mentioned "app-get trac" (or something close), but was modded at 0 or less (I didn't pay attention to that).
A web search doesn't turn up the reference for that quote (and the article doesn't link to it), so it's hard to know the context. But still, it does seem odd. How can Gates know such details, which are supposedly secret? I don't know whether to doubt the truth of his claim, or to wonder about how he could have found it out.
Possibly all those "ex-Microsoft" employees, perhapps, maybe?
This isn't as "insightful" as it appears. There are plenty computers ("PC's", sorry "Apple" guys) that can be had for a couple hundred bucks that will run Windows (hell, they COME with it) and Office. Monitors often come free (though they are usually 15" CRT's or, lately, 15" LCD's). As for office? I know several people who have Office 2000 (before they started requiring 'activation'). You can get it quite easily over many P2P networks and probably even via the different torrent "web sites" (IE: piratebay).
While there will be some "poor" people who decide food/shelter are more important, I have seen (in my 12 years as a field technician) waaay too many of them buy a computer or, in many cases, obtain one from a family/friend that has upgraded, to shoot your "are too poor to afford" arguement.
As I said, there are bound to be a few exceptions to what I post, however I have a feeling they are quite few and very far between.
Note, though, that I am NOT advocating in favor of MS. I use it at home, because I have to or I don't play the games I like, and I use it at work, because it's mandated. I operate my own "server" at home that hosts a Gallery 2 installation that runs Gentoo Linux (used to host my own email, too, 'cept my IP changed often enough that sometimes the dyndns updater didn't catch it right away and I'd lose some mail).
Well, I've rambled on long enough..
You can also argue with him, claiming that those who cannot afford the money to purchase either OSX or Windows and a copy of MS Office are effectively 'disabled' and incapable of composing compatible documents.
I read KTVO's news (such as it is -- seems they need MUCH work, what with all the typos, misquotes, leaked information, etc(not that I'm perfect in the typo department)), and the news of the local paper (though they only put two or so stories for each day on the web site).
I suspect I'm not alone.
(Well, mayhaps I'm alone in the particular sources I read, but.. ahh, you get the point).
There are very few games I like to play. Of the games I've purchased, the only ones I've played for more than a few hours are MMORPG's. Specifically, Asheron's Call and City of Heroes/Villains. I was involved in the last few months Beta test for Dungeons and Dragons, however, I've decided I'm tired of paying $50-ish for a game that I also have to pay monthly to play, so I've decided I will be switching from CoV/CoH, but only when DDO drops significantly in price for the client. Hell, they GIVE the client away when you do the free 7 day trial, so there is NO reason for the retail client to cost more than $15-ish. I've got the client (both from my beta days, and the 7 day trial). WHY can I not just start playing (paying the monthly fee, of course!)?!
Yes, but the companies have to cover every base they can. There is no way for them to know, without having you submit lots of official documents, that you are entering fake information. This way they can say they took reasonable measures to stop export to a country where they can't. This way, it falls upon the submitter when the feds (or whomever) come calling and not the company (IF it were to ever happen).
What I don't understand is why they just don't verify that you are in the US by IP address. Microsoft and Netscape used to do that when you downloaded browsers with 128-bit encryption or higher due to US Export laws.
Because someone could be using a proxy based in the US which would throw off this system. Back when Netscape and MS were using IP addresses, proxys were far fewer and much less frequently used.
Bah, that's like saying Bill Gates doesn't have any friends. Then who i ask you are all those people grovelling at his feet jumping whenever he makes some asinine statement regarding the future of computing?
Ooor not. After I pulled the page up, I turned around to type my previous message, looked back to close it, and the text was screwed. I have no idea what is going on. It was fine while it said "Loading 62 of 63 images". When that last image loaded, the text screwed up.
Only drawback as I see it is when the terminal server goes.. well terminal, everything grinds to a halt.
This is what backup servers are for, if the machines are that critical to the operation of a business. Add to them same/next day service, and you are set. Where I work, we added next day service to every workstation (they are not that critical, as this is a college envirionment). We purchased 200+ machines with 17" LCD's -- the machine/monitor cost was under $1k (again, this included the next day service).
True, you'll spend a little more if you are talking about one or two servers, but it should still be less than purchasing 10 or so full PC's for desks.
I can't quite figure where this product fits. I'm guessing it's more of a business solution, but if that's true, I can't imagine it in any of the business settings I've experienced.
1) Call centers
2) Telemarketing centers
3) Automotive shops (mecanics, etc) for parts lookup/ordering/word processessing/billing (terminal services)
4) Offices where workers are doing Word/Excell/etc (again, terminal services)
5) My situation where my laptop/docking station is used 90% (or more) for Word/Excel/Outlook and a commercial ticket tracking system, plus Web surfing/etc (terminal services for most of the work)
6) Every bank in my area (Bank of Kirksville, US Bank, Bank Midwest, NEMO Bank, etc) uses a full PC that, you guessed it, loads up (in most cases) Terminal Services to connect to the bank software for all customer banking needs
7) Several doctors offices in my area (including my eye doctor) have installed full PC's into the rooms for records lookup/input/etc.
I could go on and on. These are far from "useless" as you'd imply. A bit more spent on the server and much less (in some cases) spent on the machines. Plus, in the cases of the doctors offices, the PC's would be totally silent, which would be nice.
All one has to do is use their imagination and you'll see these could very well be quite handy in MANY situations.
Dunno. All I know is one of the student workers were logged in with their account (non-admin) and tried to add a printer (an HP deskjet). The install process wanted admin credentials. I provided them and the installer STILL failed..:) But it asked automagically. OpenOffice did the same. I've not tried anything else, however, I have every reason to believe it will happen with any software that needs to access, in this case, \program files.
What Vista is adding is like what OSX and a lot of Linux distributions already have. You, logged in as a regular user, double click or run something that needs admin rights and it responds by simply asking for the root/admin password. Then it just works.:)
I don't know what, if any, modifications have been made to the XP Pro image we are using at my current employer, however, this functionality is *exactly* what happens on the PC's that are logged into the domain.
Now, the real question is, why can't MS add that functionality to XP ?
It *is* in XP; at least in PRO. I know it works when one is connected to a domain, however, I've never run my own machine as anything but "admin", so I don't know if it does the same when not connected to a domain.
If anything, that functionality is directly from XP (only possibly modified to work when not connected to a domain, if in fact it works only when connected to a domain).
You know how many people like you I've run into that are all talk and no brains?
I very much doubt you've been working in the computer industry longer than I've been alive. What you have experienced that far back, IF it is true (still HIGHLY unlikely) has little to no bearing on what is going on in the industry today, anyway. The fact you had to resort to name calling proves me correct.
To touch on your point about redirecting a url not being a crime: If your redirection causes the target to loose communication (as was the case here), it is theft of services. VERY MUCH illegal. The ends do NOT justify the means.
Your UID being lower than mine also means nothing. Small slahsdot UID's have appeared on ebay in the past. How am I to be sure you haven't purchased it?
This is the end of the conversation. You are worth no more of my time.
I think what DDO is missing is the DM. During the beta, they tried to address some of this by having the "flavor" text narrated, which was an improvement.
I don't mind being forced to team up, for this particular instance, because that IS what D&D is all about.
Look at it this way -- how much fun do you have while ploding through an adventure by yourself?
You buy a clue. Your analogy was incorrect. You made it sound as if it was perfectly OK to swap house addresses so the other house had (insert bad thing happen here). What BS did was wrong and I'm sure the US has laws that will cover such an act. To "fix" a DDoS, you don't point your address to someone elses server. At the very least, I (and I'm sure "the law") consider that THEFT OF SERVICES.
So no, redirecting a URL isn't vandalism technically (though I consider it to be so), but it is illegal (as far as I can tell).
Move along, you are obviously too young to be here with the rest of us.
Errr.. I'm having some difficulty discerning where I said the story as submitted was incorrect, or even where I stated that what I posted was more correct than the submitted story.
It's no different than someone calling you up on the phone and telling you that you're going to be robbed tonight while you're out on the town. Before you leave, you switch the address on your house to your neighbors, and when you leave, the robbers break into your neighbors house. You sure are a dick, but you didn't do anything illegal. Your neighbors probably won't be happy with you, but they have no legal recourse, except to perhaps fling dog poo in your yard.
Your example is wrong. At the very least, switching the house addresses is vandalism, which is certianly not legal.
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Given, I haven't tried Sourceforge, but Trac is a HUGE pain to install. Mega-huge. In that the odds your server already has the dependencies taken care of are pretty much 0%. If I recall, it takes 4 different libraries (which have to be EXACT VERSIONS) or it won't do nothing.
They really need to streamline the installation so the standard (say) Dreamhost domain can run it before they can take over a lot of this market.
#emerge trac
Then do whatever configuration. Done.
Another poster mentioned "app-get trac" (or something close), but was modded at 0 or less (I didn't pay attention to that).
A web search doesn't turn up the reference for that quote (and the article doesn't link to it), so it's hard to know the context. But still, it does seem odd. How can Gates know such details, which are supposedly secret? I don't know whether to doubt the truth of his claim, or to wonder about how he could have found it out.
Possibly all those "ex-Microsoft" employees, perhapps, maybe?
This isn't as "insightful" as it appears. There are plenty computers ("PC's", sorry "Apple" guys) that can be had for a couple hundred bucks that will run Windows (hell, they COME with it) and Office. Monitors often come free (though they are usually 15" CRT's or, lately, 15" LCD's). As for office? I know several people who have Office 2000 (before they started requiring 'activation'). You can get it quite easily over many P2P networks and probably even via the different torrent "web sites" (IE: piratebay).
While there will be some "poor" people who decide food/shelter are more important, I have seen (in my 12 years as a field technician) waaay too many of them buy a computer or, in many cases, obtain one from a family/friend that has upgraded, to shoot your "are too poor to afford" arguement.
As I said, there are bound to be a few exceptions to what I post, however I have a feeling they are quite few and very far between.
Note, though, that I am NOT advocating in favor of MS. I use it at home, because I have to or I don't play the games I like, and I use it at work, because it's mandated. I operate my own "server" at home that hosts a Gallery 2 installation that runs Gentoo Linux (used to host my own email, too, 'cept my IP changed often enough that sometimes the dyndns updater didn't catch it right away and I'd lose some mail).
Well, I've rambled on long enough..
You can also argue with him, claiming that those who cannot afford the money to purchase either OSX or Windows and a copy of MS Office are effectively 'disabled' and incapable of composing compatible documents.
Does any ./er read local news?
I read KTVO's news (such as it is -- seems they need MUCH work, what with all the typos, misquotes, leaked information, etc(not that I'm perfect in the typo department)), and the news of the local paper (though they only put two or so stories for each day on the web site).
I suspect I'm not alone.
(Well, mayhaps I'm alone in the particular sources I read, but.. ahh, you get the point).
There are very few games I like to play. Of the games I've purchased, the only ones I've played for more than a few hours are MMORPG's. Specifically, Asheron's Call and City of Heroes/Villains. I was involved in the last few months Beta test for Dungeons and Dragons, however, I've decided I'm tired of paying $50-ish for a game that I also have to pay monthly to play, so I've decided I will be switching from CoV/CoH, but only when DDO drops significantly in price for the client. Hell, they GIVE the client away when you do the free 7 day trial, so there is NO reason for the retail client to cost more than $15-ish. I've got the client (both from my beta days, and the 7 day trial). WHY can I not just start playing (paying the monthly fee, of course!)?!
Somewhat related - has anyone seen a water-cooled external hdd enclosure? I'd like a nice little self-contained unit.I
Did you even TRY to look? I spent 10 seconds with google and this is on the first page of results:
Clicky
Here is the google URL so you can look further:
ClickyX2
Yes, but the companies have to cover every base they can. There is no way for them to know, without having you submit lots of official documents, that you are entering fake information. This way they can say they took reasonable measures to stop export to a country where they can't. This way, it falls upon the submitter when the feds (or whomever) come calling and not the company (IF it were to ever happen).
What I don't understand is why they just don't verify that you are in the US by IP address. Microsoft and Netscape used to do that when you downloaded browsers with 128-bit encryption or higher due to US Export laws.
Because someone could be using a proxy based in the US which would throw off this system. Back when Netscape and MS were using IP addresses, proxys were far fewer and much less frequently used.
Bah, that's like saying Bill Gates doesn't have any friends. Then who i ask you are all those people grovelling at his feet jumping whenever he makes some asinine statement regarding the future of computing?
Those are called "groupies".
Clicky.
Ooor not. After I pulled the page up, I turned around to type my previous message, looked back to close it, and the text was screwed. I have no idea what is going on. It was fine while it said "Loading 62 of 63 images". When that last image loaded, the text screwed up.
:)
Oh well..
I'musing Konquerer 3.5.3 in KDE 3.5.3 and do not suffer (?) from the same problem you are. The text is laid out perfectly, as it is in Firefox and IE.
This comment wasn't a troll, you Prius driving hippies!
Only drawback as I see it is when the terminal server goes.. well terminal, everything grinds to a halt.
This is what backup servers are for, if the machines are that critical to the operation of a business. Add to them same/next day service, and you are set. Where I work, we added next day service to every workstation (they are not that critical, as this is a college envirionment). We purchased 200+ machines with 17" LCD's -- the machine/monitor cost was under $1k (again, this included the next day service).
True, you'll spend a little more if you are talking about one or two servers, but it should still be less than purchasing 10 or so full PC's for desks.
1) Call centers
2) Telemarketing centers
3) Automotive shops (mecanics, etc) for parts lookup/ordering/word processessing/billing (terminal services)
4) Offices where workers are doing Word/Excell/etc (again, terminal services)
5) My situation where my laptop/docking station is used 90% (or more) for Word/Excel/Outlook and a commercial ticket tracking system, plus Web surfing/etc (terminal services for most of the work)
6) Every bank in my area (Bank of Kirksville, US Bank, Bank Midwest, NEMO Bank, etc) uses a full PC that, you guessed it, loads up (in most cases) Terminal Services to connect to the bank software for all customer banking needs
7) Several doctors offices in my area (including my eye doctor) have installed full PC's into the rooms for records lookup/input/etc.
I could go on and on. These are far from "useless" as you'd imply. A bit more spent on the server and much less (in some cases) spent on the machines. Plus, in the cases of the doctors offices, the PC's would be totally silent, which would be nice.
All one has to do is use their imagination and you'll see these could very well be quite handy in MANY situations.
Dunno. All I know is one of the student workers were logged in with their account (non-admin) and tried to add a printer (an HP deskjet). The install process wanted admin credentials. I provided them and the installer STILL failed.. :) But it asked automagically. OpenOffice did the same. I've not tried anything else, however, I have every reason to believe it will happen with any software that needs to access, in this case, \program files.
What Vista is adding is like what OSX and a lot of Linux distributions already have. You, logged in as a regular user, double click or run something that needs admin rights and it responds by simply asking for the root/admin password. Then it just works. :)
I don't know what, if any, modifications have been made to the XP Pro image we are using at my current employer, however, this functionality is *exactly* what happens on the PC's that are logged into the domain.
Now, the real question is, why can't MS add that functionality to XP ?
It *is* in XP; at least in PRO. I know it works when one is connected to a domain, however, I've never run my own machine as anything but "admin", so I don't know if it does the same when not connected to a domain.
If anything, that functionality is directly from XP (only possibly modified to work when not connected to a domain, if in fact it works only when connected to a domain).
CenturyTel has the same problem where I am. No dialtone and no 911. I *have* tried it.
You know how many people like you I've run into that are all talk and no brains?
I very much doubt you've been working in the computer industry longer than I've been alive. What you have experienced that far back, IF it is true (still HIGHLY unlikely) has little to no bearing on what is going on in the industry today, anyway. The fact you had to resort to name calling proves me correct.
To touch on your point about redirecting a url not being a crime: If your redirection causes the target to loose communication (as was the case here), it is theft of services. VERY MUCH illegal. The ends do NOT justify the means.
Your UID being lower than mine also means nothing. Small slahsdot UID's have appeared on ebay in the past. How am I to be sure you haven't purchased it?
This is the end of the conversation. You are worth no more of my time.
I think what DDO is missing is the DM. During the beta, they tried to address some of this by having the "flavor" text narrated, which was an improvement.
I don't mind being forced to team up, for this particular instance, because that IS what D&D is all about.
Look at it this way -- how much fun do you have while ploding through an adventure by yourself?
I got into the late beta stage, played it for about 15 minutes, then uninstalled it. Just not my cup-o-tea.
I currently play CoV/CoH, but am only doing so untill the DDO client is less than $50 (MUCH less.. Like around $20 or so..)
I LOATH paying $50+ for a game I also have to pay $12 or more per month to play. Pisses me off.
I actually hate paying for the client PERIOD, but am far more willing to do so at around $20 than $50+.
You buy a clue. Your analogy was incorrect. You made it sound as if it was perfectly OK to swap house addresses so the other house had (insert bad thing happen here). What BS did was wrong and I'm sure the US has laws that will cover such an act. To "fix" a DDoS, you don't point your address to someone elses server. At the very least, I (and I'm sure "the law") consider that THEFT OF SERVICES.
So no, redirecting a URL isn't vandalism technically (though I consider it to be so), but it is illegal (as far as I can tell).
Move along, you are obviously too young to be here with the rest of us.
Errr.. I'm having some difficulty discerning where I said the story as submitted was incorrect, or even where I stated that what I posted was more correct than the submitted story.
I guess you'll have to help me with that.
Ass.
It's no different than someone calling you up on the phone and telling you that you're going to be robbed tonight while you're out on the town. Before you leave, you switch the address on your house to your neighbors, and when you leave, the robbers break into your neighbors house. You sure are a dick, but you didn't do anything illegal. Your neighbors probably won't be happy with you, but they have no legal recourse, except to perhaps fling dog poo in your yard.
Your example is wrong. At the very least, switching the house addresses is vandalism, which is certianly not legal.
Techdirt has a different story on what caused the outages. The info they have came from here.