I think both of your points show that Apache is becoming a more attractive target.
First, exploiting IIS is old news. Anyone looking for recognition should be looking at Apache.
Second, on the point of psychology, people despise M$ inlarge part because of their arrogance. Unfortunately, arrogance is yet another area where Open Source seems to be rivaling M$. How much more of this "our software is invulnerable" bluster will it take before people set out to prove you wrong?
Remeber, many large scale exploits take advantage of holes for which patches have already been released. Releasing a patch does not mean that the problem is fixed. As more of the same people who don't patch IIS migrate to Apache, Apache will increasingly be the target of exploits.
Many IIS exploits take advantage of previously known but widely unpatched exploits. The same could be done for known/likely misconfigurations. As long as lazy and/or inept administration (or simple human error) is platform independant, dumping IIS won't prevent exploits.
Sorry, all of my servers are blocked for outbound HTTP. Can't surf from them. Why? To prevent people (or a worm) from installing unauthorized patches from outside our network.
If your security is lax enough to allow a worm or rogue user to attempt to install an unauthorized patch, what is to stop these same agents from unblocking outbound HTTP or simply installing the patch directly?
I don't doubt that the government would take these measures to stifle non-compliant software. Fortunately for us, they won't work. How long will it be before these copy control measures are hacked? So I can buy only buy a crippled Linux box. How long will it take me to take it home and install a fully functioning OS?
My point is that regardless of the measures the Government and corporate bodies take, they simply don't have the power to stop the inevitable underground countermeasures.
Cuz I ain't buyin another thing from Microsoft ever again
I completely agree. My Win98 box does everything that I need. It rarely even crashes anymore, since I have weeded out most of the problems. I figure that by the time software advances to the point that I need a new OS, Linux will be a viable alternative (and by viable, I simply mean for my uses. I am sure that it is already viable for many users).
it is my guess they probably hope some people to willingly surrender their rights to criticize Microsoft.
This is exactly the purpose of the clause in the EULA. When the user clicks through it, they explicitly waive their right to certain kinds of speech. If they break that contract and M$ sues, they have no right to counter-sue M$ for infringing on their rights. Consider a standard NDA or instances where employees are not allowed to disclose trade secrets. The law does not protect your rights from being infringed upon if you sign them away.
Much like the MPAA/RIAA and file sharing, legislation like this is picking a fight that it can not win. Let them over extend themselves trying to quash activity they can't possibly monitor. The sooner they exhaust their resources trying to enforce these draconian laws, the sooner thier control freak mentality will be revealed as the pathetic, desperate grasp at straws that it is.
They are tightening their grip because they are afraid, and with good reason. For the first time in history, the common people have better resources and knowledge than the Government and the Corporate sector!
I think what they mean is that the amount that you need to learn in a short period of time is very large. It means that your ability must increase very quickly, which is difficult. As such, I see no problem with this use of the term (or any of the others you have responded to so far).
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I think both of your points show that Apache is becoming a more attractive target.
First, exploiting IIS is old news. Anyone looking for recognition should be looking at Apache.
Second, on the point of psychology, people despise M$ inlarge part because of their arrogance. Unfortunately, arrogance is yet another area where Open Source seems to be rivaling M$. How much more of this "our software is invulnerable" bluster will it take before people set out to prove you wrong?
Remeber, many large scale exploits take advantage of holes for which patches have already been released. Releasing a patch does not mean that the problem is fixed. As more of the same people who don't patch IIS migrate to Apache, Apache will increasingly be the target of exploits.
Many IIS exploits take advantage of previously known but widely unpatched exploits. The same could be done for known/likely misconfigurations. As long as lazy and/or inept administration (or simple human error) is platform independant, dumping IIS won't prevent exploits.
I don't remember the name of the product, but at least one ASP emulator for Linux is available.
Might be Chilisoft.
The difference is that apache *requires* the installer to do some manual work to get it working properly.
If by working properly you mean w/o security holes, I son't see the difference. Bottom line, you have to pay attention to what you are doing.
Sorry, all of my servers are blocked for outbound HTTP. Can't surf from them. Why? To prevent people (or a worm) from installing unauthorized patches from outside our network.
If your security is lax enough to allow a worm or rogue user to attempt to install an unauthorized patch, what is to stop these same agents from unblocking outbound HTTP or simply installing the patch directly?
our unpatched IIS servers (the ones I don't admin, go fig) all got trashed.
He was talking about someone else.
There was a problem.
Maybe you should follow your own advice before you get testy.
Proving my point, one idiotic response at a time.
I don't doubt that the government would take these measures to stifle non-compliant software. Fortunately for us, they won't work. How long will it be before these copy control measures are hacked? So I can buy only buy a crippled Linux box. How long will it take me to take it home and install a fully functioning OS?
My point is that regardless of the measures the Government and corporate bodies take, they simply don't have the power to stop the inevitable underground countermeasures.
Cuz I ain't buyin another thing from Microsoft ever again
I completely agree. My Win98 box does everything that I need. It rarely even crashes anymore, since I have weeded out most of the problems. I figure that by the time software advances to the point that I need a new OS, Linux will be a viable alternative (and by viable, I simply mean for my uses. I am sure that it is already viable for many users).
Remember, just becuase you live online and buy porn online doesn't mean Joe Sixpack does.
Right, and while Joe Sixpack enjoys his vices in anonymity, typical geeks leave a paper trail a mile wide. Who is smarter?
Cashless systems are a threat to privacy, and thus a threat to liberty.
it is my guess they probably hope some people to willingly surrender their rights to criticize Microsoft.
This is exactly the purpose of the clause in the EULA. When the user clicks through it, they explicitly waive their right to certain kinds of speech. If they break that contract and M$ sues, they have no right to counter-sue M$ for infringing on their rights. Consider a standard NDA or instances where employees are not allowed to disclose trade secrets. The law does not protect your rights from being infringed upon if you sign them away.
Something like NT maybe?
Much like the MPAA/RIAA and file sharing, legislation like this is picking a fight that it can not win. Let them over extend themselves trying to quash activity they can't possibly monitor. The sooner they exhaust their resources trying to enforce these draconian laws, the sooner thier control freak mentality will be revealed as the pathetic, desperate grasp at straws that it is.
They are tightening their grip because they are afraid, and with good reason. For the first time in history, the common people have better resources and knowledge than the Government and the Corporate sector!
Tian xia wu shang? What's that in reference to?
No reference.
Unless you are compiling the code by hand, I fail to see the difference.
buh
You still have to open the box first.
The 1st ammendment has no jurisdiction over M$ or their EULA.
This peice of stunning insight is relevant to just about every issue facing us today!
This is a stupid clause, but it does not infringe on your freedom of speech.
Which brings up another question. Since he has opened up the package (which was probably schrink-wrapped) the shop won't accept it back...
Seems to me that the no returns policy nullifies the EULA. Of course, it is not technically Microsoft that is refusing the return. . .
Let's see. . .who do we know in the government who can't string two words together without sounding like a dumbass?
So there you have it:
Terrorist beliefs do not represent Islam.
Bush beliefs do not represent Christianity.
I am still looking for the "holy" in this "holy war."
I think what they mean is that the amount that you need to learn in a short period of time is very large. It means that your ability must increase very quickly, which is difficult. As such, I see no problem with this use of the term (or any of the others you have responded to so far).
Programming from scratch is hard, and there is no point in re-inventing the wheel.
I agree, for the most part, but it sounds like building a wheel from the ground up is kind of the point of the project here.