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World's First XP System Sold
A reader writes "New zealands largest OEM PC Manufacturer, The PC Company sold the worlds first Windows XP system. Details can be found at this article on NZoom" And so, it begins.
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The spate of conspiracy theories linking some aspect of WinXP to the number 666 or an obscure Nostradamus prediction...
Score:-1, Funny
What do you mean first XP system? Iv'e been running XP for several wee- err, first *sold* XP system. Never Mind.
(The above is a complete falsity contrived to humor readers, any resemblence to actual people, places, or events is purely coincidental)
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- "Scientia non habet inimicum nisp ignorantem"
Is Windows XP shipping already, or is it only starting to ship on new computers now? Can it be bought in stores?
How long till the customer opens the box, reads the EULA, and returns it.
What would they say then?
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So what?
We knew that systems were going to be sold with XP from OEM, why is this news? Gateway and Dell have been selling systems with free upgrades to XP personal edition for a month or so now.
You can't see this if you have sigs turned off.
Great - The first XP system is shipped. It's not something that I will rush out and upgrade to, it's not something that I will recommend to my customers to rush out and upgrade to.
Unfortunatly the massive crushing machine that is Microsoft will eventually make XP so ubiquitous that I will be forced to either buy a Mac or switch to FreeBSD 100% of the time.
I guess I should switch to FreeBSD 100% and just buy and XBox for my games anyway.
Well, I suppose that if your imagination only runs to the extent of calling a PC company "The PC Company" its not suprising you'll be first in line for Mr Gate's latest.
Get the EULA T-shirt
Now, besides the fact that this is one of the more useless pieces of news posted to Slashdot, it also happens to be a great strategy. By posting story links to PC manufacturers who sell PC's with Windows XP pre-loaded, we can effectively shut-down their online sales services to prevent customers from buying said systems. Great way to beat MS! :)
Why bother.
As if anybody in their right mind reads the EULA.
As if anybody would even care what it said if they did - it could lay claim to your first born for all the difference it makes to 99.999% of users.
Too bad, we'll never be able to match that headline. Linux'll never sell... Oh wait! ;-)
if it makes you feel any better, I'm still using Windows98.
My Webcomic: Asylum on 5th Street
leaving the Auckland showroom at one minute after midnight with a brand new, Windows XP-ready machine.
I take this to mean people are actually standing in line for this? Isn't today's PC consumer a little smarter than they were in '95 and '98? Have we learned nothing? I mean, doesn't everybody read
=)
"You know why you do not see me styling wit my homies? Because I have no homies!!" -Mojo Jojo
Does that mean Doug-Howlett's a black guy? I've never heard "all black" before. If that's what it means, I think it's funny the NZ press thinks that bit of info important enough to include. Or does it mean something else?
Samsung took back my unlocked bootloader because Google wants me to rent movies. They're both evil.
Most legitimate users will violate the EULA, by connecting to more than 10 computers (somebody said Internet?), or by installing VNC (which is explictly prohibited - but works great nonetheless) or by doing of the many things M$ says you cannot do.
In short, you're better of pirating it.
[Disclaimer: This message is for humor only and does not encourage piracy in any way nor does imply any resemblance to real facts.]
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the purchaser of the first WinXP system attempted to install the OS on his laptop so that he can take full advantage of the features on the road. Subsequently, a big 3D image of Bill Gates' head on a blue background encompassed the screen. Mr. Gates' single index finger then popped up and shook vigorously back and forth.
The purchaser immediately had an MI, not because he hadn't read the EULA, but because anyone would be scared s**tless by Windows' "new and improved" blue screen of death, which will now shut down computers everywhere not because of hefty codework but because Mr. Gates' head doesn't like bad licensing.
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I'm just an ordinary man with nothing to lose.
M$ NZ gets its first XP tech support cal after the user added a new harddrive and XP told them they'd have to get permission from M$ before they continued ... and so it begins ...
You realize that by admitting this on /.'s forums, you are subject to trolls, zealots, and retard moderators who will abuse you nearly to the point of suicide before getting bored with you and moving onto the next practical user who decides that Linux just isn't right for him/her yet.
I'm actually serious - anyone?
it's in my head
Yeah, you're right. What the hell is with that. Is it some weird lingo or what.
According to http://www.grc.com , Microsoft's networking and insecurities in the face of viruses, random strangers running arbitrary code, and all the security holes in XP and NT are either a deliberate attack against the Internet, or a criminally negligent source of problems for all.
Untrained Windows users are not very good network citizens, especially when they stick to out of the box default configurations. Untrained Linux and BSD users have simmilar problems, but with Windows the ignorance is much more apparent.
When SirCam was going around I kept getting the same bunch of people asking for my advice. They didn't believe me when I told them they had a virus, stating that their prot software didn't pick it up. Now an OS with even more holes, designed to be a merger between NT and Wintendo is going to be on the net, phoning home, sending out all kinds of privacy invading data, and making the 'net a little busier. Great.
"Look at me, I invented the stove!" -- Ben Franklin
XP, basically being a polished 2k, is nice and stable - 12 days playing games, installing crap, uninstalling crap, hibernating almost every night and generally Doing Stuff isn't bad.
:)
I finally rebooted it when it took a worryingly long time to hibernate (this, to the uninitiated, involves writing all memory out to disk, suspending drivers etc so the system can come back up in it's original state) - which I think's fair enough, seeing as it's quite a large task to ask any OS to do.
XP also happens to boot very fast.. in fact, it's faster than coming out of hibernation here, and certainly comparible to an equivilent Unix system.
Most of the new GUI stuff's a bit crap, but you can turn it all off with ease. The KLIK[tm] support for networking's quite nice, with bridging, NAT etc available with a few mouseclicks. It even sets up a firewall when you set up networking, and (*shock* *horror*), it's actually quite good.
It performs at least as well as 2k, with tweaks in most of the right places, hence making it Quite Good[tm]. And it runs vim, UT, Q3 and CS - what more could you ask for?
Yeah, so it begins alright... another rehashed OS with a huge hype machine behind it. WinXP is the equivalent of Windows 98 SE. Nothing really new here, just a bunch of integrated utilities and a revamped configuration system.
-- Jim
I just wanted to say that this was probably the most important news that been published on slashdot this year. How can this possible be "Stuff that matters"?
Could you please also tell me who will be the first one to download their first servicepack?
Then I can call tech support and bitch about the Nvidia driver that comes installed with no opengl support, and the new Nvidia Driver that wont play the new CS1.3 patch.
So far, i really like WinXP the font enhancements that didnt make it into Win2K are awesome. Turn off all the extra junk, its pretty much like Win2k, thou its more compatible with older programs. Dos stuff works now, with sound even.
Need to run sandrasoft on it and see what the benchmarks are like thou....
...this is newsworthy? First (yet another) Monty Python lego story. Then stuff on PYRAMID KEYBOARDS (ie dumbest thing since bending over and ripping your anus wide open and posting it on a certain site). Now we have the "news" of the "First Windows XP system sold"? What's next? First AC who actually buys something from Think Geek? Osama bin Ladin says "George Bush has bad gas?" Cowboy Neal finally gets laid!?
:p
Sorry, but this was the dumbest thing I've read in a while.
MS has been giving out free copies of XP final, full retail, pro edition to pretty much every salesperson in computer stores across north america (i.e. the warez versions are the iso's of these discs). They had a fairly hot chick do the demonstration too, hell, I admit I'm shallow.
...)
MS also gave a crapload of stuff about why you should sell XP to your customers, etc, etc.
And yeah, MS is at the very least bold in some of the things they do.
How about this - before you log in, XP tells you whether you have passport mail waiting.
Buy music = goto microsoft music, digital pictures -> MS.
Allow tech support (or others) remote control of your PC? You have to be using messenger (or at least, that is what is built in) This ought to be fun when an exploit is discovered. Full system takeover is possible.
Especially optimized for P4 (MS and intel, sitting in a tree, k.i.s.s.i.n.g
No fucking AOL (which, as a DSL tech support agent is music to my ears)
Built in firewall (shitty one though)
Built in ICS
Built in passport games...
No apparant way to remove messenger.
The happy registration (which has already been cracked quite completely)
Essentially what MS is doing is creating a computer software system (aka turnkey solution) in a box. Joe user won't have to buy anything else for his pc if he buys xp. I'm sure a lot of third party vendors are going to be pissed because they won't have a market for their products, but then again, geeks never bitched when MS included undelete w/MS Dos 5.
On the upside,
MS finally got rid of netbeui, so your network file transfers won't be slow as shit over the network.
MS made the gui skinnable (almost exactly like windows blinds)
hibernate ACTUALLY WORKS (third times a charm)
it seems to actually be running stable (uptime 1 month, with my parents on it, which means _alot_, i.e. the system has not gone down since I installed it on an overclocked celeron box),
added a change user function, which allows the system
added the ability to "telnet" in and logon using the remote machines cpu power, ala X-Windows. Essentially terminal services on every machine.
It looks fischer price, and I hate to say it, but MS might of have done what they promised to do when they release Windows 95. The price is insane though, $300US for full pro edition!!!!!
Oh. If you work in a computer store and want a free (legal) copy, florida (24,25,26), texas (24, colorado(15),az(24), still have seminars going. Check
http://www.microsoft.com/retail/live/
though its kinda late. Proof of employment can be a tshirt w/ a name badge. See the evil for yourself.
Well, gnight.
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... when is slashdot gonna order it's XP equipped machine to host slashdot.org?
WWJD.... for a Klondike bar?
XP system sold
t-minus 19 minutes: First sold XP system booted.
-19.5: First annoying XP nag message to open a Passport account
-20: First XP "MSN Network" desktop icon deleted
-25: First realization by first XP system buyer that most of his old system settings won't transfer.
-26: First XP-inspired burst of profanity.
-28: Attempt to use legacy scanner results in crash and second XP-inspired burst of profanity.
-30: First XP-related bug report files.
And so it begins!
Now in Terriyaki flavor!
How did Microsff come up with those colors? Oh, they were inspired by the old windows 3.11 vga high contrast theme, nevermind.
With XP out you won't get Win98 even by accident now. Even now it was hard to get as OEM Win98. But now? And no, ME.2k or XP are NOT good enough since they don't run even some of the M$'s own games, not even talking about the other ISV. I was trying to get a decent notebook with W98 preinstalled, no chance whatsoever.
If programs would be read like poetry, most programmers would be Vogons.
I dunno about XP. Fast, stable and *really* easy to use. Most lusers would love it. They probably won't see it though. They have their computers and really, how many people need a 1.4Ghz box to read their email? There is no killer app requiring a new machine that everyone wants to get access to, not like getting on the 'Net was in 95. I'm sure XP is bloated and all, when I installed an early build , I think it ate up just under a gig of space for the install, not much more than a current install of W2K. I think that most of the buyers will be the stragglers that don't own a PC yet, or those who are stil on 133-266 wintels. feh. Just another OS release, for now. Too bad the market isn't better, or we could all ride another surge in PC home buying and corporate sales.
First XP system sold, for me a frightening reality. Even though warezpuppies and beta-testing windowspuppets been running this for a while, it means another mark in the big-book of Windows users.
.net snapshot (cvs -co WinXP excluding the sources), the finest backdoored encryption systems and propably his personal integrity & privacy permanenty mv:ed to /dev/null.
Another number in the usage statistics, the same statistics that will serve as a motivator (read excuse) for a company to develop their applications XP style, because are a potential customer. Even if you are a warezpuppy, installing your 3r337 Windows.XP.Final.Beta.Beta.WankerGroup.Repacked you are helping Microsoft. Yes, by installing and running XP you add to these depressing statistics. Then again you're not the ones I feel sorry for.
The one I wouldn't want to be right now is the customer receiving this computer. The same customer that a certain time later will be paying for his service packs, and monthly.
But he will have the latest
And then even if THEY get caught for killing John Doe's and several others' integrity, they will say: we are so sorry, please forgive us. It won't happen again. DOJ will belive them.
Have you ever tasted Foldger Crystals? I doubt I can... but I'll give a good try... for you...
||| I still can't believe Parkay's not butter.
Which means no Windows XP in Nukualofa? They are at GMT+13:00 while New Zealand is just GMT+12:00.
What an interesting post. Stuff that matters.
And for the record: if you see any slowdown in your network connectivity, this is not due to code red, nor to nimda, but probably just due to a certain Verizon switching center in lower Manhatten that has been badly damaged for some reason...
what did you fucking expect? for them to write it but not sell it?
First the the Australian social security network, then Ansett, now the internet..
But it was good to see Helen Clark fly out of East Sale RAAF base in an Orion..
What a nice trip home that would have been.
Don't trust a Kiwi they will stab you in the back every time.
This is a recipe for total hubris on Microsoft's part, and a nasty defeat for them. I suspect it's better that they don't compromise or parley, because they lie anyway so why should we want them to be striking bargains? Let them be slapped down in full hubris. They can't be cured or moderated or reasoned with. I'm sure this judge has seen completely recidivist cases before.
There is a sucker born every minute.
in europe xp will be presented in the first weeks of october as far as i know, but if you order a pc online you receive on with xp preinstalled (optional) how's that possible?
".Sig Stealer" was here
I thought this was stuff that matters. :)
It will be fun to see how the worm-writing people will use XP. It could be the decline of m$ in the business market.
Interesting also to see how the ISPs will react to DOS attacks.
"Windows XP runs EVERYTHING at root, which means every program (and even the trojans hidden within that program) has full access to all Windows services, including more advanced network services than ever before. Where Windows ME is generally limited to UDP- and ICMP-flooding, for example, Windows XP can jump straight to the main event -- http flooding aat port 80. "Cringely
"If Windows ME is a gun, Windows XP is a loaded gun.", Cringely
Men are born ignorant, not stupid; they are made stupid by education. Bertrand Russel
so what if its the first system... when's the last.
Lizard "Never let them set limits on your mind!"
Three words: DMCA, UTICA, SSSCA!
Next step: Cancellation of the first amendment
Next next step: Death penalty for copyright violations.
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XP rocks!
It's the best Windows up to now, strenthening on point where Windows was not that good (remote access improved with Terminal Services, stability in 9x/ME series improved with NT-based kernel, etc) and where it was pretty good (a bit less memory use and a bit faster than W2K when using the Classic interface, ClearType fonts rock on my Sony picturebook).
Some minor stuff I don't like that much: Internet time synchronizing can only be switched on or off, and a server can be defined. You can not, however, define the interval with which it updates. This is hardcoded at once every week, braindead of course..
Still wouldn't use it for 'standard' services like HTTP, SMTP, POP3, etc etc etc, my FreeBSD station handles that much too well. That said, for a desktop operating system, presenting Internet Explorer, Office, Visio, WinAMP, Explorer and X-Win32 for remote UNIX access, it's a very good solution for my purposes.
Sung to glory glory haulleluea
MS marches on windows banner waving in the air.
Stomping over penguins allmost everywhere.
It's enough to give a slashdotter a good scare.
XP's source code cannot be found anywhere.
Bill Gates is Deploying again.
Glory glory here comes the upgrades
Glory glory here comes the user training
Glory Glory we gotta upgrade all the pc's
Cause the boss read XP will save him money! (which is BS)
What exactly is an "on topic" post to this story?
"It shipped?? On computers?? Were they in Boxes?? Did anyone get a good look at the Hologram??"...
So instead I am going to ask some humble questions since I really haven't been following the XP thing as closely as perhaps I should have. But since I do run a couple of Windows boxes, I'm curious..
Does it run games better then Win2K? About eight months ago I got lazy and stopped booting into 98 to play games. I found that on adequate system (gobs of inexpensive ram, thank you crucial) 2k runs games quite well. So yeah, my windows boxes are my game boxes.
Suppose I had acquired a copy, should I be versed in this XP crack (that I.. Uh... Heard some hoodlum teens talking about behind the 7-11) before I install it? Or does the crack apply to subsequent installations.
Is this thing as compromised in an Orwellian manor as I have heard? BS or fact, how much polling of my box does Microsoft get away with? Suppose I whip ZoneAlarm on it and I block access to M$? Does this pretty much break the system?
Other then increased speed and stability (bug fixes) is there any compelling reason for someone running a workstation/game machine to even look at this fetid piece of shit?
And seriously... Does Microsoft really think they are going to get away with this shit? Isn't this really all about the first stage in deploying digital encryption/copyrighting on a global scale? Are they not in on the MPAA mafia's brilliant scheme to block recordable media from storing copyrighted material and also trying to "urge" and "gently nudge" the sheeple from actually enjoying said material? (media player not ripping at 128 and so on... Like anyone rips with media player...) for the life of me I have yet to find a reason as to what exactly am I missing by not letting this thing into my house...
Since OS 10.1 is supposed to be out on Tuesday (Seybold) and since I haven't slept in 32 hours and will probably spend Tuesday migrating my proper workstations to it (woo woo low level driver support, finally get my wacom tablets to run on it) I will probably sleep through all the wealth of XP juju bandied about on Monday in a beloved coma. So if anyone has any wisdom on any of this I would certainly appreciate it.
From what i read here, this article is a non-event.
Friends of mine who have beta tested xp have told me to get it for the eye-candy. Then in the next sentence to disable themes and most other features. In addition to this, i read a news article just last week basically said that microsoft congradulated and recommends purchasing stardock's theme manager, window blinds in addition to using winxp. Contradiction?
Are there any real reasons to spend $200+US for a product that is just a fancy shell ontop of old Win2k code-base? Will microsoft post-pone the release of SP3 for win2k to force people to u/g to winxp in order to get the bug fixes that we really shouldnt need to pay money for?
Why cant i get a licence to print money, but they can ??
In addition to this, "at one minute after midnight it was All Black Doug Howlett who became the first customer." Nice to know our "national heros" (bleh, rugby, I could care less that most New Zealanders worship these people) are so technically savvy...
It occurs to me to wonder if, perhaps, Microsoft cleverly decided to do a test run of WinXP in New Zealand, so that if it bombed no one would notice. I mean, I doubt the average non-New Zealander/Australian even knows where New Zealand is...let alone that it's actually separate from Australia ;)
A word can paint a thousand pictures
It pains me say this, but you're right. I've been using XP betas for the past few months, and it does, as you say, rock.
Sure, I wouldn't use it for serving anything, and I rely on my linux machines for perl and the like, but for a desktop system, with an x-term and ssh, XP is the business. I'm on about a week uptime right now, and that's only because I added a second graphics card (dual monitor support is also v.v.g by the way) and it is as solid as any linux gui desktop. perhaps more so. It's full of very neat things, that only appear after you use it for a bit, that you soon learn to love.
Annoying, but true.
I may now have to go and wash my mouth out.
Lol, nah, im a NZer, so, I will tell you now. The XP debut was a simply huge event. There were parades I tell you. Thats right. Dying children traveled from the corners of the globe to see the ticker-tape parade. Stuff the WTC, this is just huge.
*not*.
If I hadn't had read it on slashdot, I wouldn't have even known that the first pc had been sold with it. And I'm sure Doug Howlett was one of the many queing at the door, checkbook pre-signed, to buy the latest in technical computing agreement.
And for those that don't know, The PC Company is world-famous in NZ (like l&p), for selling the cheepest computersin price, with the cheapest components.
Remember when MS was talking about linux forking? According to the article Windows XP already comes in 3 different versions.
On another note, I wonder if all 3 are really the same and all you have to do is change one line in the setup file to access the different files in the different versions. Like back with Win95, where you could select what version to install with the oemsetup.something file.
Outdoor digital photography, mostly in New Engl
Ive got it installed here, but ill be sticking to Windows 2000 Advanced Server for a while yet.
:)
:D
Nice UI in XP, built in zip compression (a direct hit at WinZip and clones)
More services to disable
More soothing login logout wav
I expect more people to download DesktopX, WindowsFX and WindowBlinds (which is what MS licensed for the themes and skinning in XP)
I think too many things in XP are under the hood (not that thats a bad thing) and most people upgrading from 2000 wont see alot (on the desktop side), under the hood things like perf optimisations and bug fixes. It will only bite users when MS stop Service packs for 2000 forcing them to upgrade.
If you are comming from 9x codebase, sure it will be an experience, but from 2000, I dont think its enought to make me upgrade.
Just my personal experience with XP so far:D
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And I should care... because?
Windows sells when it comes out. Like it or not, its the truth.
Now... if the story went "First Windows XP Systems Donated To Third World Countries" I would be impressed.
--donabal
Safety First Day?
Would it make more sense if you said that the skeletons et. all will emerge on the last day of October?
MS finally got rid of netbeui, so your network file transfers won't be slow as shit over the network.
::grin::
Just thought I'd make a point here. NetBEUI gets a bad rap, but it's actually one of the faster network protocols because of its small size...both in theory and practice.
I used it on my own network for several months, then switched to TCP/IP because of other problems, mainly that the protocol *is* shit. No support for hibernation, extremely limited capabilities, and bugs enough to be an entomologist's dream.
But it was still fast.
Pain(n): when you're telnetting into a box doing somethin cool, and some luser calls for help with a 'critical error' ad
Are Slashdotters really so astonished that Windows XP would sell *at all* that this needed posting?
XP also happens to boot very fast.. in fact, it's faster than coming out of hibernation here, and certainly comparible to an equivilent Unix system.
:)
::pretends to think:: Oh...I could ask to be able to USE my computer freely, heh, since I've paid for it. ;)
::blue screen of death appears::
::resists temptation to hit a perfectly good laptop with a hammer::
;)
My Millennium system boots in about a minute, with a bunch of slow-loaders like Norton and the Office Shortcut Bar, and LILO just past the BIOS level. How fast are you talking?
It performs at least as well as 2k, with tweaks in most of the right places, hence making it Quite Good[tm]. And it runs vim, UT, Q3 and CS - what more could you ask for?
I've always been a faithful part of the MS fold before. But all this crap I read about with not being able to copy ripped MP3's to other computers, and problems intercepting audio streams at the hardware levels...sheesh.
I'll reserve my judgement until I actually get my hands on a copy and try it out. After all, I got most of my information on that topic from the print media, and you *know* how reliable they are.
However, I will say that if it's relatively crash-free, I may indeed upgrade. After six months of dealing with Millennium, I'm ready for a change...
(Myself) "Yeah, I want you to transfer a file, like."
(Millennium) "Ohh man, I'm not sure I can do this. This looks hard."
(Myself) "No, it's not that hard, it's a twenty-kb Word document."
(Millennium) "You're scaring me! MEESTER GATESSSS! HELP!"
(Myself)
And that's not even starting in on the fact I had to format and reinstall the day after I got my computer cos it loaded wrong at the factory...
But this is turning into a Millennium diatribe. Suffice it to say that the next OS is either something more stable from MS, or *nix. And I even loaded RH 7.0 in frustration one day after a particularly high number of BSODs.
Pain(n): when you're telnetting into a box doing somethin cool, and some luser calls for help with a 'critical error' ad
No, not really. Idiots with slightly improved accuracy are still idiots.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
first xp system RETURNED. :)
"World's Second XP System Sold".
Hey - they might not be that kind of zombie.
WE SHALL DOMINATE...ALL will sucumb to the glory of Microsoft. For it is written "One operating system Shall bind them all.
Oooh! First XP system. Big Fucking Deal.
now THAT'S newsworthy!
seriously, all this bitching about xp is pointless. don't like it? don't use it. shut the hell up.
Personally, I would as for an OS that isn't Windows XP.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
True, since this sounds like a small shop in NZ, it's probably the full XP version, but what will happen when Dell or Gateway release their XP machines?
The entire idea of the recovery disk which typically requires one to reformat their hard drives (and note that most OEM machines come with only one HD with one partition), is a really stupid idea in the first place; I'm sure it's great for OEM support since they know how they can get back to a completely fresh, working machine, but it sucks for even a semi-literate computer user. And if I remember correctly, MS pushed for some of that in recent years. I'm sure it's going to continue with XP.
"Pinky, you've left the lens cap of your mind on again." - P&TB
"I can see my house from here!" - ST:
the first idiot that bought Windoze XP!
It activates all modes of your computer, disables all checking and lets you use XP as M$ never intended.
MS Windows XP Professional -- Corporate Edition
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This post encoded with ROT26. If you can read it, you've violated the DMCA. Handcuffs please, sergeant.
Available in three versions, emphasis is being placed on Windows XP's entertainment components, including tools for organising and sharing digital
XP's enhanced 'spell check' features aren't up to par yet...
I lost my concept of community when my community lost all concept of me.
re " ...The price is insane though ..."
Well, what would be a reasonable price? For that matter, since value is often tied to cost in our society (e.g. $0 = 0 value), what would you pay for your fav Linux distro?
Me? I'd not pay more than $100 for any Win flavour without feeling cheated. And the $75 I spent on SUSE a few years ago has repaid itself sooo many times.
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
Umm if youd check your XP boot time youd notice MS has cheated a little by booting up the GUI before the majority of services start so in effect it aint faster coz you really cant do anything until the services start, its a trick i tells ya.
it could make time run backwards as you suggest :)
--- Hot Shot City is particularly good.
Raw sockets don't matter that much.
Does it matter if you are being pinged to death by a thousand 9x machines which you could possible record the IP's and do absolutly nothing about or with these amazing raw sockets..*shock* they could fake where these drone machines are comming from.
The point? Who cares. It makes little difference as either way these are drone machines and there is nothing you can do either way.
Anyone interested in trying out the telnet connection to the world's first OEM XP box can contact me for a username and password at l337H4X0R@no.com. First account goes to the highest bidder in a brief silent auction that will terminate at midnight CDT. Good luck, and happy hunting.
--
-j
-j
M$ subsidiaries (correct word ?) have some freedom, you know !
Everything in the M$ world is not decided in one office in Redmond !
And about New Zealand, if you don't know where it is, you should go back to school.
Men are born ignorant, not stupid; they are made stupid by education. Bertrand Russel
From the article: And so, it begins.
Don't you really mean: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Those who would give up liberty in exchange for security and DRM should switch to Microsoft Palladium!
Cuz I ain't buyin another thing from Microsoft ever again, when it can't handle new computing, then I go Linux. I am not an open source purist, but I'll be damned if I'll buy another buggy OS, that takes up more space than its free neighbor. By the way, I think a lot of casual PC users think the same way. Linux will do better than expected in the future.
> On the upside,
> MS finally got rid of netbeui, so your network file transfers won't be slow as shit over the network.
Actually, NetBEUI is *VERY* useful for home networking, especially with cablemodems and DSL becoming more and more common.
NetBEUI is a non-routeable protocol, so that your home network (and it's shares!) won't be visible to the entire internet.
If you have both TCP/IP and NetBEUI installed, with Microsoft File and Print Sharing bound to NetBEUI and *NOT* TCP/IP, your local drives and shares won't be seen ourside your local (dsl/cablemodem -> home router/firewall -> home networked machines) setup.
Check out your "network neighborhood" on your cablemodem sometime. See what your neighbors have on their machines. And resist the temptation to rootkit them.
(I know you're joking, but a lot of people actually think that way. So I'll rant...)
Waste is not good for the economy. It is destructive.
By the Wintel-is-good-for-the-economy logic, hurricanes, earthquakes, and the WTC disaster are also "good for the economy" because they create construction jobs. And the invention of "Mr. Fusion" would be bad for the economy.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
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You are a Censor with 5 points.
Hey, yours is one of the most clever, astute sigs I've seen on slash sites. Nicely done.
As Win2000 is 4-6 years ahead of Linux in terms of technology (Kernel threading, Distributed Transaction Monitor, Reliable Message Queuing, Directory, etc. etc.) now this advantage also comes to the desktop of home users.
:-()
Remember that Linus announced that 2.4 will be released on the same date as Win2000? Now we have XP and 2.4 is still doubted to be stable at all. And may it be stable, then it is not usable by mere mortals. Really a great proof how much better open source is
On a different topic, God Help U.S.
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According to the Encyclopedia of Genocide [ABC-Clio, 1999, ISBN 0874369282],
Which brings Your US Government Nuclear Murder Grand Total to almost a quarter of a million snuffed human lives.
Also of note:
Hollywood, Television, has become the dream machine. We need to take that back; each of us is a Dream Machine
They're a pro-MS crowd, that's why they got the honour.
I went in there back in early 1998 to ask about buying a new computer, but guess what, they wouldn't sell me the version of Windows 95 without Internet Explorer 4.0 intergrated, and said it wasn't possible to sell computers without IE4.0 pre-installed because it came set in at the factory (what factory???).
So I got a computer from the shop one block away, and I'm still using that copy of Windows 95 WITHOUT bloated, slow Internet Explorer slowing my computer down by 25%.
I work for an ISP in a small town and we do dialup/dsl local to our county. About 2 weeks ago this lady who knew nothing about computers came in with a P4 1.4ghz machine claming she just bought it from one of the local computer stores and it had WinXP Beta2 installed on it. I hooked up the machine and sure enough it did. I explained to this lady all the legalities involved too. She took it back he yelled at her, hows that for customer support?
Seems that there is a huge market for XP in Malaysia already, discounted at $1.50 a pop.
-- We don't understand software, and sometimes we don't understand hardware, but we can *see* the blinking lights
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why did you map both 'f' and 'g' onto 't'? also, the apostrophe appears completely unmapped. why go to all the trouble of inputting a patterned sequence if you violate the pattern, reducing its clarity?
ahh....
Hollywood, Television, has become the dream machine. We need to take that back; each of us is a Dream Machine
The first Windows XP Blue Screen of Death!
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
Microsoft:
The conditions in the market have their plans in pits of tar,
We have had enough of Upgrades, we are fine with where we are.
If ONE is all they're selling, they will never get to far,
Their bottom line is sunk!
It's "Begin the Beguine".
A Beguine is apparently some sort of nun, but "Begin the Beguine" is an old tune by Cole Porter.
Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems."
Heh heh, I don't know how they could have Modded you down; your comparison of WinXP to the Brooklyn Bridge seems fairly astute.
Must be those paid M$ hacks who work Slashdot all day, hoping to corrupt the young and the free...
Really, if M$ will astroturf the newsgroups, why not Slashdot? They got caught before...
Surreptuously they monitor the stuff on your PC
If you add a CD-ROM drive, you will pay a licence fee.
Surely you did not expect that things this good are free?
Our licence marches on!
Glory, glory, "Activation"!
"Fair use" earns our defecation!
Crackers get eternal damnation!
Our licence marches on!
Here's some code for you to run:
int main(int argc, char* argv[])
{
SOCKET s;
WSADATA wsadata;
WSAStartup(MAKEWORD(2,2), &wsadata);
s = WSASocket(AF_INET, SOCK_RAW, IPPROTO_IP, NULL, 0, 0);
printf("%d\n", s);
SOCKADDR from;
int fromlen = sizeof(from);
struct sockaddr_in to;
ZeroMemory(&from, sizeof(from));
ZeroMemory(&to, sizeof(from));
char buf[4096];
to.sin_family = AF_INET;
to.sin_addr.S_un.S_addr = 0x0100007F;
to.sin_port = 0;
int sb = sendto(s, buf, 0, 0, (SOCKADDR *)&to, sizeof(to));
DWORD sbe = GetLastError();
int cb = recvfrom(s, buf, sizeof(buf), 0, &from, &fromlen);
DWORD cbe = GetLastError();
printf("%d, %d\n", sb, cb);
printf("%d, %d\n", sbe, cbe);
closesocket(s);
scanf("\n");
}
When you run as an admin, it works. When you run as a non-admin you get an error (EACCESS) trying to send or receive from the raw socket.
To put it simply, GRC is lying to you for the purposes of selling his own products and you got suckered. The rules for raw sockets are exactly the same as on Win2k and Linux - you gotta be root.
Fear: When you see B8 00 4C CD 21 and know what it means
I'm sure a lot of third party vendors are going to be pissed because they won't have a market for their products, but then again, geeks never bitched when MS included undelete w/MS Dos 5.
What? Deltree was neat too..
I'm a 2000 man.
Check out this feature chart [microsoft.com] for a better idea of what XP has that 2K doesn't.
/. was for Linux, anyway...
Thanks for the link!
Now I know for sure not to waste my money!
I though
I'm a 2000 man.
If that happens, MicroSoft will just lobby congress to make visiting websites illegal.
And they'd probably win...
More crashes perhaps? Having WinMe and Win98 on the same machine seems a bit ridiculous.
Web sites are further more a violation of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act since they allow intelligent people to exchange data that MIGHT lead towards the development of anticircumvention devices.
Why bother.
After purchasing the paper, Mr. Parkenfarker sat down on a bench for the very first time today and waited for a bus for the very first time. At approximately 9:13am, Mr. Parkenfarker boarded a bus for the very first time today, and at approximately 9:47am he arrived at his office for the first time today.
Following this, at approximately 9:52am, Mr. Parkenfarker said "Good morning," to a coworker for the very first time today, and proceeded to drink today's very first cup of bitter, badly-made coffee from the office coffee pot (which he saw for the very first time today at approximately 9:55am).
These wankers would scramble to justify it if Linux were the cause of this whole WTC thing.
Well, I am still use Win2K and are ready to upgrade to XP. M$ software is cheap in my country (about $1.5 for my Win2k), so why not. but my default lilo is linux anyways. since 1970, unix still runs great. running windows just to see how far M$ is behind the TUX
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"Trying is the first step towards failure" - Homer J Simpson.
Turnkey Solution? Welcome to the Mac OS. When the mac-ites laugh at XP, remind them that imovie, imusic, ithis, ithat, and quicktime is the same as XP (as in turnkey).
"'Little guys', you may now go home."
The significant differences between Linux and Windows XP are very few. They aren't worth arguing. You can say "Oh, but the Linux kernel is prettier!" but it doesn't matter when both OSes are rock solid. And the stability of a PC OS mostly comes down to drivers as it. Run Linux with a poor video driver and you'll have endless headaches. Ditto for Windows XP. You can say that Windows XP is bloated and slow, but you can say the same of Linux + XWindows + KDE/Gnome as well.
So it all comes down to Windows XP being a Microsoft product and Linux being free, and that there is some software you can only get for one or the other. That's about all you can argue, though most people don't care.
I was sent an email regarding the Windows XP launch event. You go to the web page http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/go/Local/ and find your location. Ironically, when I tried to get to my location, Rochester, NY, the web page crashed! Go figure.
http://www.askthevoid.com
Few, if any, business desktop machines are shared these days - so this "feature" will simply get in the way.
But the scariest thing I heard was that XP allows users to, in essence, set up their own virtual private network (VPN) between any two XP users anywhere in the world. According to IDG News Service reporter Ashlee Vance, the user "can permit a friend to see his screen via a chat-type protocol and even run programs from the original user's machine." Microsoft will publish a way, and provide the tools, for one PC to run software from another - and take over control of another machine.
Until people like this are taught the reasons for and security implications of user accounts, the world will be rife with viruses and worms. For those who may not know better, unprivalidged user accounts are made so that processes started by them can not alter or remove system files. Malicious programs, intitated by accident, are contained and can be eliminated. Nothing is fool proof but systems that ignore such basic concepts are naked. The "user experience" can be significantly enhanced by truely portable settings, but the primary reason for such stuff is security. The only reason the author is afraid is beacuse of M$'s record of poor implimentation.
M$'s record is giving the rest of us a bad name too. It's amazing that M$ does not impliment real user accounts. It's negligence. Their users are becoming increasingly distrustful and will never learn better. Just listen to that poor idiot demanding inferior software! The reach out starts with you and me.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Windows 2000 was marketed for professional computers. Windows xp is supposed to do what windows 2000 was supposed to do (get users on the nt base.) If I were using Microsoft I wouldn't upgrade to XP... unless I could get it cheaper than w2k... (i.e. win98 upgrade.)
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
1 John 4:14
get in and out of a store in 1 minute?
You suck. Linux rules. Microsoft sucks. I rule.
Eat my shorts man.
I read that as "World's First XP System Solid". I thought they were still a few years from a solid OS.
That was too easy. Mod me down, please.
...no wait. It is! So why am i reading this news on /.????
If i would really wanna know i bet some M$-Spokesman will tell me 24/7 during the next weeks on TV...
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
I've constantly run across AOLers who have severe problems running AOL with 2k and I've heard XP isn't much better.
(:
Maybe the AOL'ers will give back to the community that they've taken from for so long, and stop buying MS products.
Dell sold somewhere in the range of 10,000 system (3500 notebooks and 6500 desktops) with XP on them about a month ago. People are calling in to Dell's tech support with XP questions before us techs were even trained for it. Hell, one of my co-workers got one Saturday night!
Jason Byrons
The Abstruse One
The ABSTRUSE One
Jason Byrons
"You all laugh at me because I'm different
I laugh at you because you're a
Although I haven't installed my full plethora of Corel software yet, I can tell you that CorelDRAW 10 doesn't run well at all. Opening a file, or creating a new one, freezes the program for a good three minutes on my system, although the program runs fine after that.
Aswell, I can print. Any 'print' dialog causes the program at hand to freeze. So, after a day of looking around, I've already found two major inconveniences for a desktop publisher such as myself.
But yeah, it finally hibernates properly, boots at the speed it should, and is fairly solid. But it would be really good if I could actually get any work done on it.
If the dude was smart he would have posted it on ebay
Home and Pro. Never heard of a third, but who knows, Microsoft may have a dozen other variants up their sleeve.
Actually, it's not as bad as I thought it would be - on the contrary, it really kicks ass. (Damn, I can't believe I'm even typing this.) But I thought I'd throw my hat in. WIN2K kicks ass too on so many levels - ie. stability, compatibility, flawless plugnpray, usb, nt code ( /. guys, is this based on BSD or something??), etc. WINXP is just well, better. Flawless plugnpray is now ALMOST seamless. I use Cleartype TM (built in) and all my text is crisp, AA'd and far easier on the eyes. Uh, mp3, wow. I select all the mp3's by ctrl-clicking in Explorer, right click, send to audio CD, BOOM. I have made an audio CD in a matter or minutes with no 3rd party software. Built-in burning to cdr is flawless with my old ricoh that chokes on so many burning apps. How about native .zip functionality - very close to using a regular old windows folder. Sorry Winzip, but maybe you get royalties from MS or something? This should have been put in revs ago. Anyhow, try it. Turn off the shitastic default themes too. Go classic. Also, winxp has a TON of services running by default that dont't need to be on. Turn all those off - search google, pages will come up to show which ones do what. Wow. I hate MS and I hate myself for being hooked on something I swore I'd never use after trying a couple of the betas and RC's (pure shit back then). Now? I would honestly say that this one (final) truly is the best yet.
Do file permissions now work in such a way so that one ordinary user can't read all of another ordinary users files?
So... the first one has been sold. Has it crashed yet? Been reinstalled?
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Actually make a usable version of Windows!
Microsoft also stated that should you choose to pirate Windows XP or dual boot into a *NIX, you will be forced to watch Steve Ballmer's happy dance. Preliminary lab reports showed an incredible 99% success rate of spontaneous head explosions.
God help us.
schools each have their own game, which have not been as widely spread as the game from rugby school. I don't know about winchester (the other posh school in england).
Murial's wedding?
Priscilla queen of the desert?
Well OK that last one was in the outback as well. Damn! I see your point!
Someone should start a campaign to spam the MICROS~1 1-800 activation hotline. Maybe a quickie program to call in and then play "All your base are belong to us" over and over? Remember, they have to foot the bill for all those calls!