Although I agree that it's not good to kill P2P projects because there will be a supported one, I do have to correct you on no alternatives.
There are plenty of P2P alternatives for MacOSX out there for networks such as Gnutella, Direct COnnect, the StreamCast network, eDonkey's network, OpenNAP, there's plenty.
I've breached whose privacy? That of the vendor who wrote the software or designed the hardware? If I legally acquire software and hardware, install it on my private testbed, then exploit the software (locally, in my "sandbox"), it most certainly is research. It may also be criminal. If I take the results of my tests and publish them, that too is research, and under the DMCA or certain EULAs, may be unlawful But you stated yourself that you are violating the EULA, that is damaging to the publisher of the software and is not research. It would be defined as 'research' if you had sought the publishers permission which I doubt you ever did. Your comment states your an OPENBSD fan, OPENBSD gladly allows you to perform research. In that case, use the OpenSource for your research and if your concerned about the security of COTS then DON'T USE IT!
I'll probably be modded down for this, but that's okay. I agree that if your Gray then your black. You might be Black with good intentions.. but your still black.
It's like breaking into a store; simply to warn the store owner that you could break into a store.. no different.
Or to use a popular theme in other postings regarding a house with an Open sign on it. NO! It's more like going up to a house, trying all the doors and windows till you find one that is open.
Unless you are specifically asked by a company owner or software maker to exploit security holes, you shouldn't be doing it. If your concerned about security of the source, then choose a OpenSource alternative or write your own. If your using a COTS, then ask the publisher for permission to test the software for security holes, most will allow you as long as your a paying customer. If they don't, you probably don't want to be using that software vendor's appliction anyways.
It's all about property people and respecting peoples privacy. Yes, it would be a utopian society if everybody could be online without fears of your network being compromised, and that's not reality obviously. But we don't need vigilanties running around exploiting everybodies software or network just because they can. It's not research its criminal; you've breached somebodies privacy even if you didn't do damage. If you want to practice, setup your own private network with software that allow's you to do as such. An no, I don't agree at all with the penalties associated with violations of the DMCA. They are outrageous and should be removed and educated individuals should re-establish new ones.
There is a somewhat free version available for Linux. It's called Project Mono I believe. Here is the URL: http://www.ximian.com/devzone/projects/mono. html
Small SUmmary from page, "The Mono Project is a community initiative to develop an open source, Linux-based version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. Incorporating key.NET compliant components, including a C# compiler, a Common Language Runtime just-in-time compiler, and a full suite of class libraries, the Mono Project will enable developers to create.NET applications and run them on Windows or any Mono-supported platform, including Linux and Unix. Besides greatly improving the efficiency of development in the open source world, the Mono Project will allow the creation of operating-system-independent programs. "
I can answer #1. No, human bladder cannot hold that much although it doesn't matter. Stomach can hold that much, and will only push out to the bladder as needed. Although you'd prolly have to pee 3 or 4 times:)
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Umm, actually that's illegal according to the JLS. Jikes (Open Source High Performance Compiler) won't even compile that. The WIndows Javac from Sun is just 'forgiving'. Heck in 1.4 it'll even let you do implicit type-casts from String to Int and vice-versa. Big no no.
Actually I think your wrong buddy boy. All signs point to a push into the linux market by AOL. Read this link: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/2436 4.html
Then look at the partner list/product support at the Lindows site: http://www.lindows.com/lindows_products_det ails.ph p?id=8830
I had thought it was announced that the new Sun Authorized JDK was supposed to be in this release, but I find no information on the readme or the site?
I don't think u understand. Lets take your calculator example. Can you 'remove' the calculator from your Operating System and integrate your own calculator. yes. What Microsoft did was so deeply embed the Internet explorer into the Desktop that you couldn't actually remove it. You could remove the icons to 'manually' launch it and then install netscape and 'manually' launch it to browse websites. But what was the point? WHen IE was/is used for everything from the background to the my computer bos to Explorer and on and on and on. MSN Messenger was coded for awhile to only launch it's links in IE. It made using Navigator slow and cumbersom which ie was just right there and you could only use IE for this and this then why use anythign else? THAT is what the suit is for, to give equal opportunity to other applications that are FRINGE.
Instead of complaining about opensource this opensource that. Why don't you explain how open-sourcing Java will make it beat C# and the.NET momentum by simply having it as open-source? If it was standardized, yes I can see that, but simply openening it's source for the JVM? Don't think so. I see no benefit here.
I've been following this for some time since I accidentaly bought the O'Reilly book by mistake (was actually looking for a book on SOAP) when it was onsale. The 'pusher' behind this is MicroSoft. What's interesting is the big pusher that used to be behind SOAP was MicroSoft as well. Correct me if I'm wrong, but XML-RPC is a much ligher-weight XML competitor to SOAP-RPC. Yes, SOAP does much more than RPC, but that was the original intention behind it. Could MS be pushing XML-RPC because it's lost the majority of control of SOAP??
I don't think you truly see the potential here. This would allow you to do language independant and platform independant (exclude OS's that don't support TCP/IP) methodology of doing RPC. Suppose for example you have a VB server (cough cough) application on Windows and a Kylix app on Linux and you need to perform RPC. This would be a VERY simple way of doing it without the bloat of SOAP.
This is absurd. How in the world can you proclaim an OS's users and death by counting UseNet Posts. I use FreeBSD for both work and home and have in the past setup a few companies to use BSDI. However, i've never actually had to post to a usnet group for *BSD. I also use Linux, AIX, and when somebody forces me, I login to an OS/390 box (I do cross platform Java development). However, I have yet to creat a UseNet posting for any of these OS's much less windows. Why? Because I know how to read, and everything I've wanted to do or desired to do, was already written.
Probably becuase the comment about 75,000 isn't going to happen. Most people don't pay for something they can download, especially a game. OpenSource is great, I use it and most of my friends use it. but for a commercial company, it isn't happening. Take a peak at RedHat, yes their doing well, but would they do well if RedHat was able to be purchased for $5? Nope. Yes, u CAN download a copy, but not for their higher-end stuff.
Things like this make this kind of null and void, who's going to decide on whether microsoft needs IE to be the dominant browser for "technical reasons", or MSN Messenger for "technical reason". I think an independant institution should be created to govern technical monopolies.
"Notwithstanding the foregoing Section III.H.2, the Windows Operating System Product may invoke a Microsoft Middleware Product in any instance in which:
that Microsoft Middleware Product would be invoked solely for use in interoperating with a server maintained by Microsoft (outside the context of general Web browsing), or
that designated Non-Microsoft Middleware Product fails to implement a reasonable technical requirement (e.g., a requirement to be able to host a particular ActiveX control) that is necessary for valid technical reasons to supply the end user with functionality consistent with a Windows Operating System Product, provided that the technical reasons are described in a reasonably prompt manner to any ISV that requests them.
About where the military produces console and arcade games to acclimate some kids to military style violence. Then they weed out the crop so they can get the good ones... Wait, they 'already' made that movie!
Okay, if the book charge is $1,000 for a small app, and $250 'per' application. How can any grass-roots group want to develop a open source / or free application to give away without some company acting as a benefactor? This smells like a plan to 'weed' these groups away from.NET at all which makes me wonder about the MONO project. WHy couldn't they have done this like Borlands plan with Kylix? One set for free/opensource one set for pay??
I'm probably going to modded down to -99 for this one.. but hey!
I downloaded J#. It's a migration tool and a full-blown IDE for Java developers that want to write Native-compiled and native speed java windows applications. Yes, it does covert the WFC stuff to the new Windows forms that Studio.NET uses. No, it's not going to be for all the java or cross-platform people out there. It's going to be a niche player just like J++ was for a long time. If you know Java, and want your app to run cross-platform, go get an editor and a JDK. if you know Java, only want to run on Windows# and want speed, go get J#. Pretty simple, no need to lambast this thing, if you bring more people to the java language, so be it. Yes Java is fast on the server, does well for everything I need it to. But Swing GUI's still suck. Not everybody has a 2 GigH# machine out there, and even on those, swing is still slow compared to a native windows app like Delphi. I welcome this just as I have welcomed C#. I still use Java for my cross-platform stuff, but now I can reuse my java skills to create real desktop apps...
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They've "Borked" the Help About page as well .. kinda funny reading ... :)
I didn't think that the FSF or the OSI dictates what is free and what isn't Free. No, I'm not trolling .. but making a point.. think about it.
Although I agree that it's not good to kill P2P projects because there will be a supported one, I do have to correct you on no alternatives.
There are plenty of P2P alternatives for MacOSX out there for networks such as Gnutella, Direct COnnect, the StreamCast network, eDonkey's network, OpenNAP, there's plenty.
But the Drugged or fatigued or distracted doctor controls the robot...
1. If YOU feel it's good, apply for a Patent.
2. Have a lawyer draft you a solid NDA, then shop it around and get a company to back you.
I've breached whose privacy? That of the vendor who wrote the software or designed the hardware?
If I legally acquire software and hardware, install it on my private testbed, then exploit the software (locally, in my "sandbox"), it most certainly is research. It may also be criminal. If I take the results of my tests and publish them, that too is research, and under the DMCA or certain EULAs, may be unlawful
But you stated yourself that you are violating the EULA, that is damaging to the publisher of the software and is not research. It would be defined as 'research' if you had sought the publishers permission which I doubt you ever did. Your comment states your an OPENBSD fan, OPENBSD gladly allows you to perform research. In that case, use the OpenSource for your research and if your concerned about the security of COTS then DON'T USE IT!
I agree that if your Gray then your black. You might be Black with good intentions.. but your still black.
It's like breaking into a store; simply to warn the store owner that you could break into a store.. no different. Or to use a popular theme in other postings regarding a house with an Open sign on it. NO! It's more like going up to a house, trying all the doors and windows till you find one that is open.
Unless you are specifically asked by a company owner or software maker to exploit security holes, you shouldn't be doing it. If your concerned about security of the source, then choose a OpenSource alternative or write your own. If your using a COTS, then ask the publisher for permission to test the software for security holes, most will allow you as long as your a paying customer. If they don't, you probably don't want to be using that software vendor's appliction anyways.
It's all about property people and respecting peoples privacy. Yes, it would be a utopian society if everybody could be online without fears of your network being compromised, and that's not reality obviously. But we don't need vigilanties running around exploiting everybodies software or network just because they can. It's not research its criminal; you've breached somebodies privacy even if you didn't do damage. If you want to practice, setup your own private network with software that allow's you to do as such. An no, I don't agree at all with the penalties associated with violations of the DMCA. They are outrageous and should be removed and educated individuals should re-establish new ones.There is a somewhat free version available for Linux. It's called Project Mono I believe. Here is the URL:. html
.NET compliant components, including a C# compiler, a Common Language Runtime just-in-time compiler, and a full suite of class libraries, the Mono Project will enable developers to create .NET applications and run them on Windows or any Mono-supported platform, including Linux and Unix. Besides greatly improving the efficiency of development in the open source world, the Mono Project will allow the creation of operating-system-independent programs. "
http://www.ximian.com/devzone/projects/mono
Small SUmmary from page, "The Mono Project is a community initiative to develop an open source, Linux-based version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. Incorporating key
I can answer #1. No, human bladder cannot hold that much although it doesn't matter. Stomach can hold that much, and will only push out to the bladder as needed. Although you'd prolly have to pee 3 or 4 times :)
Umm, actually that's illegal according to the JLS. Jikes (Open Source High Performance Compiler) won't even compile that. The WIndows Javac from Sun is just 'forgiving'. Heck in 1.4 it'll even let you do implicit type-casts from String to Int and vice-versa. Big no no.
Actually I think your wrong buddy boy. All signs point to a push into the linux market by AOL.6 4.html
t ails.ph p?id=8830
Read this link:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/243
Then look at the partner list/product support at the Lindows site:
http://www.lindows.com/lindows_products_de
I had thought it was announced that the new Sun Authorized JDK was supposed to be in this release, but I find no information on the readme or the site?
I don't think u understand. Lets take your calculator example. Can you 'remove' the calculator from your Operating System and integrate your own calculator. yes. What Microsoft did was so deeply embed the Internet explorer into the Desktop that you couldn't actually remove it. You could remove the icons to 'manually' launch it and then install netscape and 'manually' launch it to browse websites. But what was the point? WHen IE was/is used for everything from the background to the my computer bos to Explorer and on and on and on. MSN Messenger was coded for awhile to only launch it's links in IE. It made using Navigator slow and cumbersom which ie was just right there and you could only use IE for this and this then why use anythign else? THAT is what the suit is for, to give equal opportunity to other applications that are FRINGE.
Here are some screenshots of the Gnome 2 desktop
http://developer.gnome.org/dotplan/
Ummm... Opera isn't written in Java. They don't have an excuse.. they just don't want to do it. Because it needs to run java applets? not an excuse...
Instead of complaining about opensource this opensource that. Why don't you explain how open-sourcing Java will make it beat C# and the .NET momentum by simply having it as open-source? If it was standardized, yes I can see that, but simply openening it's source for the JVM? Don't think so. I see no benefit here.
I've been following this for some time since I accidentaly bought the O'Reilly book by mistake (was actually looking for a book on SOAP) when it was onsale. The 'pusher' behind this is MicroSoft. What's interesting is the big pusher that used to be behind SOAP was MicroSoft as well. Correct me if I'm wrong, but XML-RPC is a much ligher-weight XML competitor to SOAP-RPC. Yes, SOAP does much more than RPC, but that was the original intention behind it. Could MS be pushing XML-RPC because it's lost the majority of control of SOAP??
I don't think you truly see the potential here. This would allow you to do language independant and platform independant (exclude OS's that don't support TCP/IP) methodology of doing RPC. Suppose for example you have a VB server (cough cough) application on Windows and a Kylix app on Linux and you need to perform RPC. This would be a VERY simple way of doing it without the bloat of SOAP.
This is absurd. How in the world can you proclaim an OS's users and death by counting UseNet Posts. I use FreeBSD for both work and home and have in the past setup a few companies to use BSDI. However, i've never actually had to post to a usnet group for *BSD. I also use Linux, AIX, and when somebody forces me, I login to an OS/390 box (I do cross platform Java development). However, I have yet to creat a UseNet posting for any of these OS's much less windows. Why? Because I know how to read, and everything I've wanted to do or desired to do, was already written.
Get a clue!
Probably becuase the comment about 75,000 isn't going to happen. Most people don't pay for something they can download, especially a game. OpenSource is great, I use it and most of my friends use it. but for a commercial company, it isn't happening. Take a peak at RedHat, yes their doing well, but would they do well if RedHat was able to be purchased for $5? Nope. Yes, u CAN download a copy, but not for their higher-end stuff.
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Things like this make this kind of null and void, who's going to decide on whether microsoft needs IE to be the dominant browser for "technical reasons", or MSN Messenger for "technical reason". I think an independant institution should be created to govern technical monopolies.
"Notwithstanding the foregoing Section III.H.2, the Windows Operating System Product may invoke a Microsoft Middleware Product in any instance in which:
that Microsoft Middleware Product would be invoked solely for use in interoperating with a server maintained by Microsoft (outside the context of general Web browsing), or
that designated Non-Microsoft Middleware Product fails to implement a reasonable technical requirement (e.g., a requirement to be able to host a particular ActiveX control) that is necessary for valid technical reasons to supply the end user with functionality consistent with a Windows Operating System Product, provided that the technical reasons are described in a reasonably prompt manner to any ISV that requests them.
About where the military produces console and arcade games to acclimate some kids to military style violence. Then they weed out the crop so they can get the good ones... Wait, they 'already' made that movie!
Okay, if the book charge is $1,000 for a small app, and $250 'per' application. How can any grass-roots group want to develop a open source / or free application to give away without some company acting as a benefactor? This smells like a plan to 'weed' these groups away from .NET at all which makes me wonder about the MONO project. WHy couldn't they have done this like Borlands plan with Kylix? One set for free/opensource one set for pay??
I'm probably going to modded down to -99 for this one.. but hey!
I downloaded J#. It's a migration tool and a full-blown IDE for Java developers that want to write Native-compiled and native speed java windows applications. Yes, it does covert the WFC stuff to the new Windows forms that Studio.NET uses. No, it's not going to be for all the java or cross-platform people out there. It's going to be a niche player just like J++ was for a long time. If you know Java, and want your app to run cross-platform, go get an editor and a JDK. if you know Java, only want to run on Windows# and want speed, go get J#. Pretty simple, no need to lambast this thing, if you bring more people to the java language, so be it. Yes Java is fast on the server, does well for everything I need it to. But Swing GUI's still suck. Not everybody has a 2 GigH# machine out there, and even on those, swing is still slow compared to a native windows app like Delphi. I welcome this just as I have welcomed C#. I still use Java for my cross-platform stuff, but now I can reuse my java skills to create real desktop apps...