The 8500 and 9100 use the same core, the R200, but come in with various core clock and memory clock speeds. The 9000 uses the Rv250, a heavily modified R200 with a clockspeed increase and half the texture units per a pipeline. ATI rebadged the 8500 as the 9100 because the 8500 was faster than the 9000. The 9200 uses the Rv280. The Rv280 is a Rv250 modified to support AGP8x instead of AGP4x. source. Of course, none of this tells us anything about the various cards actual performance, which is why I asked the question.
S3 supposedly has released the specs to the s4/s8 to the proper people, but the DRI project does not have any documentation about the card and they are not even for sale in the U.S. yet so... I am just gonna sit on the sidelines and wait it out. If I really need a card to support 3d, I'll get a radeon 8500 or 9100. The 9200 is the last one ati released with open drivers.
What's the difference between an 8500 and the 9100? My understanding was that the 9100 was a rebadged 8500, but apparently there is some sort of differences between the two. Which one is better?
Have you tried the open X/DRI drivers? The 9200 was the last card for which ATI released the specs. I've been considering getting a 9100 myself to get 3d acceleration and open drivers. I've been burned by unstable nividia drivers more times than I care for to go that route again. What are other people who want open drivers and 3d acceleration doing? I hear that s3's has given people the specs to their s4 and s8, but I wonder how far the driver development is and no one in the U.S. is even selling them.
I'll be voting for Bush this year, but I do not remember ever hearing him or his advisors say anything about nuclear power. When did he or his advisors say anything on the subject? Not that I would blame him for not saying anything, it's a pretty taboo subject politically.
DarkDust gave a pretty good explanation. Where things go depend a bit on the distro. Most distros these days don't use/opt anymore. The only one which I can think of that uses it is Slack. Most distros and package managers place most files in/usr with the critically important files going into/{bin,lib,sbin}./etc is of course where all the config files go. var is where variable data that programs keep around from one run of the program to the other like logs and such. Things you compile yourself as a machine's administrator should generally go into/usr/local, although it is worth noting that installing programs into your home directory is not a bad practice. It is extremely common to do so on actual multi-user machines on which you do not have administrator control. In fact the/usr scheme comes from when/usr (user) was where people's home directories were and became the place where user programs resided. Eventually administrators started installing user programs in/usr and moved people's home directories into/home. You can usually control where programs you install yourself go by passing --prefix=whereever to./config
You can force it to use backing store by starting the X server with the +bs -wm options. According to Alan Cox this is better and feels snappier on most setups but will kill a tiny machine.
Is there a way to mount the loopback device as a non-root user under linux (and for that matter any of the bsds)? If not, being able to encrypt data as a non-root user would be a significant advantage of the encryption in the filesystem technique.
No, ATI was a "full supporter" of Linux for many years. Mostly, they gave the specs for their cards to the XFree86 NDA mail list, and the XFree86/DRI/etc developers produced top notch linux drivers for ATI cards. The old joke use to be you could tell how bad ATI's own (windows) drivers were by running the same card that performed poorly in windows and seeing how much ass it kicked in Linux. There were a few cards ATI developed open source drivers for in addition to giving the spec. Then for various reasons, ATI stopped providing specs for their cards and started releasing binary only drivers. ATI provided specs for all cards up to the Radeon 9200. It should be noted the Radeon 9100 (which is a rereleased Radeon 8500) is faster than a Radeon 9200 and is to the best of my knowledge the best graphics card fully supported by open source drivers to date. DRI's ATI Radeon details
Actually, there are better cards. The 9200 is just a 9000 with AGP 8x support but with a card of this level, there's no advantage to having 8x AGP. There was a 9000 Pro which would be faster and is still available. Even better would be a 9100 (which is a rebadged 8500LE) or an 8500 (which was their flagship card and is generally comparable to a GeForce4 Ti).
Is the dri status page the best place to discover what cards are fully supported by open source drivers or is there more to it than that?
The syscall is about letting the kernel know that the memory being filled from a file (mmap'ed I am guessing) will be accessed only once sequentialy, so that it does not swap out other more important parts of memory to load up an entire media file into ram. It is about not sending things to the swap on disk. It has nothing to do with the disk cache. posix_fadvise is the equivalent syscall for files, but the man page does not say that it makes the optimazation you are looking for (although it may, I do not really know).
For those who do not follow the link, a library to use the mpeg decoder is available as a binary only file for certain distributions. Some may find this acceptable, others may not. If you are considering purchasing one, you need to make your own decision on what you consider acceptable.
The first link off of google for felon vote is here An excert from it is: Forty-eight states currently have some form of restriction on the right of felons to vote. The exceptions are Maine and Vermont, which even permit inmates to vote. Thirty-three states disenfranchise felons who are on parole. Eight states deny felons the right to vote for life.
I had thought most states allowed felons to vote and only a few still denied it. Guess I was wrong.
3 - It doesn't have the backing of major industry players, being seen as a "maverick" effort to undermine other potentially money-making closed-source formats
It is being used in games due to its royalty-free status. Always remember one person's money-making is another person's cost.
From scaled.com, We look to the future, hopefully within ten years, when ordinary people, for the cost of a luxury cruise, can experience a rocket flight into the black sky above the earth's atmosphere, enjoy a few minutes of weightless excitement, then feel the thunderous deceleration of the aerodynamic drag on entry.
-Burt Rutan April 18th 2003
I thought I saw him say on the site somewhere he expected it to cost 5-10k per a ticket, which would get you 5 minutes of weightlessness, but I can not find that quote anymore. For some reason some of the people replying seem to think you are asking about the cost of the craft. I think the whole SpaceShip One project has been estimated to cost less than $30 Million, so mass produced it would cost less than that.
I know possession of non-jewlery gold in the United States use to be illegal until a few years ago. Not sure about what is legal/illegal to do with gold now. Large banks do not like Credit Unions either, but they have not managed to shut them down yet, although they have limited their expansion somewhat. I imagine it is taxed the same way as everything else on the internet.
I was curious about the sound since I had had a hard time trying to get esd and artsd working at the same time. I only have one dsp on my sound card and wrapping esd or artsd to the other can result in some noticeable problems. If you're just using one of them you wouldn't have that problem though. Recently (April 12th) I found out about dmix in a somewhat random thread on a mailing list I'm on. Should make things a lot easier, but I haven't really given it a strong enough pounding to see how well it works yet. I had thought the alsa people were against doing software mixing at the alsa level because they considered software mixing in the kernel to be "a bad thing", but there it is.
I wasn't suggesting rdesktop for the quickbooks problem. rdesktop is not a solution for any application which requires constant use by multiple people. I just mentioned it because not many people seem to know it exist, and I was wondering if you had some legacy apps employees rarely need to use that you were using it for. rdesktop is perfect for that. We use to do that at one place I worked, well actually we did that because we were to lazy to walk the ten feet or so to the windows machine the app ran on, but you get the idea.
Do you have sound or not? If so how do you have that setup and how long did it take you to figure out how to do it?
Out of curiosity which display manager are you using and do you allow users to choose a window manager? If so which ones?
Looking at NeoWare's site I can not tell if the thin clients come with monitors or speakers. I also can not tell if you can change the linux distro on them. Which one of their thin clients did you go with and what do you like and dislike about it? What all different things can you change software wise on the thin clients?
Are you using rdesktop for anything? Do you know if and how well it works on the thin clients?
Sorry for all the questions, but I just love LTSP type stuff.
If your network is choked, and disk space is cheap, or if a lot of your users use portables You still want to use NIS or something similar for authentication. Authentication requires very little bandwith and not having centralized authentication will lead to a maintenance nightmare. This goes for windows as well as linux. Obviously the portables will have to be treated specially.
Whatever. Any one of those may be true, or none of them. The point remains: the fact that Ogg does not have a license fee attached matters not one damn bit to end users.
Well, if you follow the link tepples gave and click around for awhile you find out Fraunhofer supposedly actully charges for encoders and for distributing or broadcasting mp3 files. Its the sort of thing you would worry about if you were a large organization that created mp3 software or distributed mp3 files in any way, but as an individual, well I think you summed it up nicely with whatever.
Don't get me wrong. I'm glad Xiph's out there, doing what they're doing, but unless Fraunhofer starts actually going after individual people ogg pretty much only affects companies or people who make money doing things with sound, which of course the subject of the article actually does. I guess that's why they're kicking some money back at Xiph. Ogg makes what these people are doing legal.
Apparently, MPEG-1 audio layer 3 decoding costs $15,000 for the first 20,000 units shipped in each fiscal year and 0.75 USD for each additional unit.
And yet iTunes is free.
How does that work, exactly?
It was free originally for free players. It might still be I'm not sure, but the license supposedly did change. here is the slashdot story from when people noticed it changed, and here is a debian thread afterwards saying it has not really changed. I do not think Fraunhofer (the patent holders) has ever gone after anyone for distributing a free player. Anyway there are a few games that use ogg vorbis instead of mp3 for their sounds because game companies do have to pay the fee. The mp3 patents supposedly cover many ways of compressing sounds, but xiph (ogg vorbis's makers) actually went to the trouble of hiring patent lawyers when they designed vorbis, and their lawyers believe they do not infringe.
It's similar to saying, "I didn't break in to that persons house to aquire their property, the door was wide open." Pardon my law knowledge.. terminology may be incorrect, but this is sort of like Breaking and Entering (plus theft) versus Trespassing (plus theft).
Due to a few legal technicalities, it's actually a little more interesting than that. The server was not a democrat server, but was used by both parties. The administrator was a democrat appointee from when the Senate was 50-49. So they were not breaking in but were using the system "in excess of authorized use" which is still considered tresspassing in most jurisdictions, not sure about DC. Also the goverment or goverment workers can not have a copyright so arguably no theft took place.
On a sidenote why do both parties use the same server to pass around sensitive documents when the majority party gets to make the appointment of the administrator of the machine. That seems to be asking for trouble doesn't it?
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The 8500 and 9100 use the same core, the R200, but come in with various core clock and memory clock speeds. The 9000 uses the Rv250, a heavily modified R200 with a clockspeed increase and half the texture units per a pipeline. ATI rebadged the 8500 as the 9100 because the 8500 was faster than the 9000. The 9200 uses the Rv280. The Rv280 is a Rv250 modified to support AGP8x instead of AGP4x. source. Of course, none of this tells us anything about the various cards actual performance, which is why I asked the question.
S3 supposedly has released the specs to the s4/s8 to the proper people, but the DRI project does not have any documentation about the card and they are not even for sale in the U.S. yet so ... I am just gonna sit on the sidelines and wait it out. If I really need a card to support 3d, I'll get a radeon 8500 or 9100. The 9200 is the last one ati released with open drivers.
Awesome! Thanks for the link.
What's the difference between an 8500 and the 9100? My understanding was that the 9100 was a rebadged 8500, but apparently there is some sort of differences between the two. Which one is better?
Have you tried the open X/DRI drivers? The 9200 was the last card for which ATI released the specs. I've been considering getting a 9100 myself to get 3d acceleration and open drivers. I've been burned by unstable nividia drivers more times than I care for to go that route again. What are other people who want open drivers and 3d acceleration doing? I hear that s3's has given people the specs to their s4 and s8, but I wonder how far the driver development is and no one in the U.S. is even selling them.
I'll be voting for Bush this year, but I do not remember ever hearing him or his advisors say anything about nuclear power. When did he or his advisors say anything on the subject? Not that I would blame him for not saying anything, it's a pretty taboo subject politically.
DarkDust gave a pretty good explanation. Where things go depend a bit on the distro. Most distros these days don't use /opt anymore. The only one which I can think of that uses it is Slack. Most distros and package managers place most files in /usr with the critically important files going into /{bin,lib,sbin}. /etc is of course where all the config files go. var is where variable data that programs keep around from one run of the program to the other like logs and such. Things you compile yourself as a machine's administrator should generally go into /usr/local, although it is worth noting that installing programs into your home directory is not a bad practice. It is extremely common to do so on actual multi-user machines on which you do not have administrator control. In fact the /usr scheme comes from when /usr (user) was where people's home directories were and became the place where user programs resided. Eventually administrators started installing user programs in /usr and moved people's home directories into /home. You can usually control where programs you install yourself go by passing --prefix=whereever to ./config
You can force it to use backing store by starting the X server with the +bs -wm options. According to Alan Cox this is better and feels snappier on most setups but will kill a tiny machine.
Is there a way to mount the loopback device as a non-root user under linux (and for that matter any of the bsds)? If not, being able to encrypt data as a non-root user would be a significant advantage of the encryption in the filesystem technique.
No, ATI was a "full supporter" of Linux for many years. Mostly, they gave the specs for their cards to the XFree86 NDA mail list, and the XFree86/DRI/etc developers produced top notch linux drivers for ATI cards. The old joke use to be you could tell how bad ATI's own (windows) drivers were by running the same card that performed poorly in windows and seeing how much ass it kicked in Linux. There were a few cards ATI developed open source drivers for in addition to giving the spec. Then for various reasons, ATI stopped providing specs for their cards and started releasing binary only drivers. ATI provided specs for all cards up to the Radeon 9200. It should be noted the Radeon 9100 (which is a rereleased Radeon 8500) is faster than a Radeon 9200 and is to the best of my knowledge the best graphics card fully supported by open source drivers to date. DRI's ATI Radeon details
Is the dri status page the best place to discover what cards are fully supported by open source drivers or is there more to it than that?
The syscall is about letting the kernel know that the memory being filled from a file (mmap'ed I am guessing) will be accessed only once sequentialy, so that it does not swap out other more important parts of memory to load up an entire media file into ram. It is about not sending things to the swap on disk. It has nothing to do with the disk cache. posix_fadvise is the equivalent syscall for files, but the man page does not say that it makes the optimazation you are looking for (although it may, I do not really know).
For those who do not follow the link, a library to use the mpeg decoder is available as a binary only file for certain distributions. Some may find this acceptable, others may not. If you are considering purchasing one, you need to make your own decision on what you consider acceptable.
The first link off of google for felon vote is here An excert from it is :
Forty-eight states currently have some form of restriction on the right of felons to vote. The exceptions are Maine and Vermont, which even permit inmates to vote. Thirty-three states disenfranchise felons who are on parole. Eight states deny felons the right to vote for life.
I had thought most states allowed felons to vote and only a few still denied it. Guess I was wrong.
Soekris uses them in some of their computers. Soekris's computers are primarily used as routers, firewalls, WAP, etc. Cool stuff.
It is being used in games due to its royalty-free status. Always remember one person's money-making is another person's cost.
Gas is short for gasoline. I am not sure of the word's origin.
From scaled.com, We look to the future, hopefully within ten years, when ordinary people, for the cost of a luxury cruise, can experience a rocket flight into the black sky above the earth's atmosphere, enjoy a few minutes of weightless excitement, then feel the thunderous deceleration of the aerodynamic drag on entry.
-Burt Rutan April 18th 2003
I thought I saw him say on the site somewhere he expected it to cost 5-10k per a ticket, which would get you 5 minutes of weightlessness, but I can not find that quote anymore. For some reason some of the people replying seem to think you are asking about the cost of the craft. I think the whole SpaceShip One project has been estimated to cost less than $30 Million, so mass produced it would cost less than that.
I know possession of non-jewlery gold in the United States use to be illegal until a few years ago. Not sure about what is legal/illegal to do with gold now. Large banks do not like Credit Unions either, but they have not managed to shut them down yet, although they have limited their expansion somewhat. I imagine it is taxed the same way as everything else on the internet.
I was curious about the sound since I had had a hard time trying to get esd and artsd working at the same time. I only have one dsp on my sound card and wrapping esd or artsd to the other can result in some noticeable problems. If you're just using one of them you wouldn't have that problem though. Recently (April 12th) I found out about dmix in a somewhat random thread on a mailing list I'm on. Should make things a lot easier, but I haven't really given it a strong enough pounding to see how well it works yet. I had thought the alsa people were against doing software mixing at the alsa level because they considered software mixing in the kernel to be "a bad thing", but there it is.
I wasn't suggesting rdesktop for the quickbooks problem. rdesktop is not a solution for any application which requires constant use by multiple people. I just mentioned it because not many people seem to know it exist, and I was wondering if you had some legacy apps employees rarely need to use that you were using it for. rdesktop is perfect for that. We use to do that at one place I worked, well actually we did that because we were to lazy to walk the ten feet or so to the windows machine the app ran on, but you get the idea.
Sweet
Do you have sound or not? If so how do you have that setup and how long did it take you to figure out how to do it?
Out of curiosity which display manager are you using and do you allow users to choose a window manager? If so which ones?
Looking at NeoWare's site I can not tell if the thin clients come with monitors or speakers. I also can not tell if you can change the linux distro on them. Which one of their thin clients did you go with and what do you like and dislike about it? What all different things can you change software wise on the thin clients?
Are you using rdesktop for anything? Do you know if and how well it works on the thin clients?
Sorry for all the questions, but I just love LTSP type stuff.
If your network is choked, and disk space is cheap, or if a lot of your users use portables
You still want to use NIS or something similar for authentication. Authentication requires very little bandwith and not having centralized authentication will lead to a maintenance nightmare. This goes for windows as well as linux. Obviously the portables will have to be treated specially.
Well, if you follow the link tepples gave and click around for awhile you find out Fraunhofer supposedly actully charges for encoders and for distributing or broadcasting mp3 files. Its the sort of thing you would worry about if you were a large organization that created mp3 software or distributed mp3 files in any way, but as an individual, well I think you summed it up nicely with whatever.
Don't get me wrong. I'm glad Xiph's out there, doing what they're doing, but unless Fraunhofer starts actually going after individual people ogg pretty much only affects companies or people who make money doing things with sound, which of course the subject of the article actually does. I guess that's why they're kicking some money back at Xiph. Ogg makes what these people are doing legal.
It was free originally for free players. It might still be I'm not sure, but the license supposedly did change. here is the slashdot story from when people noticed it changed, and here is a debian thread afterwards saying it has not really changed. I do not think Fraunhofer (the patent holders) has ever gone after anyone for distributing a free player. Anyway there are a few games that use ogg vorbis instead of mp3 for their sounds because game companies do have to pay the fee. The mp3 patents supposedly cover many ways of compressing sounds, but xiph (ogg vorbis's makers) actually went to the trouble of hiring patent lawyers when they designed vorbis, and their lawyers believe they do not infringe.
And no, none this will ever actually affect you.
Due to a few legal technicalities, it's actually a little more interesting than that. The server was not a democrat server, but was used by both parties. The administrator was a democrat appointee from when the Senate was 50-49. So they were not breaking in but were using the system "in excess of authorized use" which is still considered tresspassing in most jurisdictions, not sure about DC. Also the goverment or goverment workers can not have a copyright so arguably no theft took place.
On a sidenote why do both parties use the same server to pass around sensitive documents when the majority party gets to make the appointment of the administrator of the machine. That seems to be asking for trouble doesn't it?