The orginal post only talks about secruity, but you have to assume their is a goal to teach the students as well.
of course PC's in a English class for example could be locked tight as a tick (as you describe) But it sure seams important to have a PC class that actually teaches something about PC's, not just how to launch and use the MS App of the month.
I guess a couple PC's for swapping components. The virtual PC's sound good for PC's that you want to train the basics of developers, and programers. As long as that isn't too perfect of an environment.
Basically I think the automatic restore overnight to a image, and admin rights to the labs/computer class PC's would be better.
Most schools don't administer student computers. They just re-image them when they break. You can do that with Linux just as well as you can with windows.
watch out, on all OS's, but especially windows. The local Jr College images their computers, then they fell behind on critical updates, then windows gets vary mad and constantly wants a reboot to catch up (and uses up bandwith downing the updates.) I assume that means you must turn off automatic updates on the images(they didn't), but you better have someone competente to at least push out new images when serious vulnerabiltys are found.
Well, my yard probably qualifies more as a garden (6' wide section all the way around the house.) since where I live (S.-AZ) it only rains regular enough to support grass 3 months of the year, and having all natural landscapings that washed away every year thanks to roof run off, I went with TIP grass, to retain the dirt. Everything that would soak up the big rains, was either way too prolific to controll (like bamboo) or used just as much water. Aloe does do a good job disperising flow, and survives drought really well, but it is a really good home for rattle snakes, etc. Not what I want to encounter first thing in the morning.
Now mowing isn't a big deal though, we got plenty of rabbits to take care of that (well ok that brings in the snakes also, but the AZ snakes don't blend into grass like they do dirt.)
yeah, we could add gutters, and more dry stream beds, push the errosion away from the house, and aloe up out their. We did that on one corner, that still takes allot more work than the irrigation system (or pay a pro landscaper to do it.)
>the ratio of Energy Returned over Energy Input for solar is less than 1 what is the ER/EI for power from a power plant? seams you must add in the cost of building power lines, maintaining them, sacrificing land, and how much more copper,etc is used for conventional power than the solar power? Now thanks to varius government enties picking up much of that infrustrucute cost (paid out of taxes, not covered by those paid in your power bill) you can't base the cost just on whats cheaper. Don't forget about defending these infrustuctures from evil doers...
I am sure someone will say, but those lines exist. Well not completly for the infrustucture size that Google is constantly outgrowing. It also seams that since you can stack much of the solar panel on buildings, etc, where as the power lines must be spread out, is where I think the space cost of conventional power is actually greater.
Dude, dell now sells AMD, they must be the best!!!
seriously whats up? I was looking to get a nice top of the line Dell system with Red Hat for our work server for months, but they offered nothing with the (then) top performing Athlon 64. Only after Intel surpasses the best offerings from AMD, does Dell finally open up to AMD. basically once I (most?) didn't care if they offer AMD anymore do they then cave in. (Bought the Intel server from DELL finally, but it was only when it surpassed the AMD's in Performance/$ of the competition.)
> (it burns rapidly, but does not explode, there IS a big difference actually) only difference I can think of, is what container it is placed in. anything that has good energy density, (which is just about anything) will blow up when contained to a burst pressure of it's container.
unless you needed the VNC functionality anyway, http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ is definitly easier to install on windows, (up2date, or yum it for redhat/fedora) and seams like it should be much easier on the bandwith.
I have dual screens, and synergy mouse/keyboard sharing that makes my laptop behave like the 3rd screen, highly recomended, even gives that extra processing power of a second computer. Also add a tray to stand the laptop up.
>It's a more complex issue that simply how many vulnerabilies each camp discloses. Also it is a time for the standard stock quote, "Past performance is not a direct indicator of future performance."
I think their is no way to interpert which is more bug free product, from past security issues. If you assumed the two products started out with identical # of critical faults, then the product with the most patches is likely the most secure. Even if your trying to win a bet on which was more secure on 10-11-2006, you would have to assume both were equally secure at some date (say 2009) and look at which had the most bug patches between the two time periods.
You could deterime which company is more dedicated to support from current patch cycles. Actualy it is probably safe to say that InternetExplorer is a product that is much more difficult to support than firefox, because MS seams very dedicated to supporting their product, but are unable to safely release patches as quick as firefox. But even that is influenced by which support group has a more risk adverse nature, and which team is more familure with their product.
hmmm, the company I work for has a library, every private school has a library, what requirement is their that libraries be non-profit, and not associated with a corporation?
> who don't know the difference between public libraries and publicly-traded corporations. ok educate us, seams most non-profit's maximize return to further their cause (which is often to maximize the salerys of upper management.) where as the traded corporation is to maximize the return to the share holders (which always includes upper management.)
not sure how that difference matters to the question though.
> that's why they want google to pay for their copy, the copys that google scanned, were purchased. I guess since they are being loaned out by the library at the same time that google shows their scanned copy, that their is a difference.
vista is making things difficult enough that a guru is wanted for installing applications. since that is true in linux as well: as the story says, MS is catching linux in increasing difficulty, not the other way around.
> providing a viable alternative to Microsoft, the command line has to go. the gui seams equal to MS XP, in most linux flavors. IE when troubleshooting networking in XP I always hit the command prompt in windows, you may be able to get the job done in a GUI (eventually), but their is no equivilent to the command line info/speed (without additional tools.)
same with linux, almost anything can be achived playing in menus, but the online help is mostly run "xyz.cmd -ofs thingy.info"
so really the difference I see, is geeks providing the help in linux, not as true in windows.
IMHO the question being asked NOW isn't about who the target "user" should be. The question is who should is the target administrator/installer?
Vista seams to be targeting integrators more. IE you sell a pre-setup system that is hard to break (and thus equally hard to change.) Linux is ahead in that game, IMHO, so can they beat ms to the punch?
> we never got to hear from the side of racists who find these acts to be good and not bad. some people can't represent themselves without doing more harm for their cause than good. Extremists rarely make logical sense, even when their is a valid point to be made, because they are so clouded by emotion, they can't begin to understand what more the non follower would need to hear.
But I am guessing that was your point. For example when they give ample time to Jesse Jackson it makes me agree more with the White Supremists. But boy if I hear from a true white supremist, then I want to go shoot myself for both of us being considered part of the same human race.
> Dennis Miller is neither funny nor informed. their seam to be two sides to Dennis Miller, I personally find him hillarous as long as he stays out of being too political.
The pure polticics show he (miller) was on was pretty much how you described it (crap).
I suspect that the difference between Dennis miller, and Jon Daily is just as much do to the difference in writing talent, as the difference in on screen abilitys. I also have no idea how much of the writing is influenced by Daily on TDS. But in order to do as many shows as he does, he obviously is very good at improvising (based on the live (ish?) interviews, although short they are, couldn's be completly scripted.)
FYI, microsoft is (generaly) a software company, all of their heavy lifting is done by other companys hardware.
Using trixbox for a PBX is another location where the microsoft tax is being displaced by linux.
guess you didn't read my whole post, stopped at that line? thanks for the meaningless post, I simply said the MS server was required in all those solutions, and you never disputed that, or added any new content that I could find.
well, a sense of teritory is a inherit animal instinct, that seams to be present in most advanced life forms. probably has been carried too far in the human form, but it seams to exist instinictivaly in dogs, cats, fish, bugs, etc.
> However, private property is a harder sell. Too many freedoms are lost by too many people for too little gain by too few. that one line is a bit harsh, otherwise excellent post. It is very important to me that I can get some freedom of space. Also without property rights, it is very difficult to protect (at least the american) personal property.
So I would support anyone, at anytime using the land around my house in a non destructive manner. However, that would mean that I couldn't do a very good job of protecting my motorcycles, bicycles, etc from the side effects. And in todays society that would leave a obligation to keep it safe, so my aggresive dog would loose access to his teritory... Then of course those sharing need to be tolerent to my rude acts, and in-appropriate clothing choices at home...
in all, it's a good ideal, but our society is too far gone to get back to the share everything free-love days.
FYI, Last I checked the "PBX vendors like Avaya, NEC and Cisco" do use/require a Microsoft Server, and license to provide a VOIP solution. 4 years ago I got quotes from Cisco, and Avaya, don't recall NEC, but both required a microsoft server. I do believe they had a seperate box connected to the server, but the server was required. I ended up with Asterisk custom install, which I followed to the Asterisk@Home at 1.0.
I just moved to Trixbox image this week, so far that has been a big mistake, I have had many more problems, with stuff that worked in @home that isn't working in Trixbox, not sure what thats about.
>Ok, so Bush's response was bad. What would Kerry have done? Turn it over to the UN? well, Kerry ran for president in 2004, so what he would have done in 2001 is a bit of a stretch. with his service in war, I doubt he would have sat (hid?) in a kindergarden class for hours while we were at war.
I think what you really wanted to ask is what Al Gore would have done. well He did serve in combat, unlike bush, but I personally would have rather had Kerry's background in that situation. Al Gore is a really smart guy, in my opinion, and probably would have attacked the correct country. Instead I would have been very concerned what his response to katrina would have been. With his often radical views on environmentalism, he might just of pushed to return it to a swamp (I personaly would have liked that, but I realise that was never a option.)
>1. What would have been a better response to Middle East Terrorists destroying the 2 tallest building in the world, right in NYC? well, considering the WTC hasn't been the tallest building in the world (or even the us) since 1973. I would consider spending billions more on education a better start. for the price of the war in Iraq we could have built to World trade centers in every single state (well maybe not hawaii, with their earth conditions) and still had resources left over to kill the actuall terorists.
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The orginal post only talks about secruity, but you have to assume their is a goal to teach the students as well.
of course PC's in a English class for example could be locked tight as a tick (as you describe) But it sure seams important to have a PC class that actually teaches something about PC's, not just how to launch and use the MS App of the month.
I guess a couple PC's for swapping components. The virtual PC's sound good for PC's that you want to train the basics of developers, and programers. As long as that isn't too perfect of an environment.
Basically I think the automatic restore overnight to a image, and admin rights to the labs/computer class PC's would be better.
watch out, on all OS's, but especially windows. The local Jr College images their computers, then they fell behind on critical updates, then windows gets vary mad and constantly wants a reboot to catch up (and uses up bandwith downing the updates.)
I assume that means you must turn off automatic updates on the images(they didn't), but you better have someone competente to at least push out new images when serious vulnerabiltys are found.
Does that also mean no Apple, Dell, HP, or Toshiba Laptops which use sony manufactured batteries?
should have asked google first :(
http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/news/28
what about running IE7 with WINE on linux? if you get that working, thier is probably already those who got cygwin running X, and WINE on 2000/98.
> No sane person waters their yard.
Well, my yard probably qualifies more as a garden (6' wide section all the way around the house.)
since where I live (S.-AZ) it only rains regular enough to support grass 3 months of the year, and having all natural landscapings that washed away every year thanks to roof run off, I went with TIP grass, to retain the dirt. Everything that would soak up the big rains, was either way too prolific to controll (like bamboo) or used just as much water. Aloe does do a good job disperising flow, and survives drought really well, but it is a really good home for rattle snakes, etc. Not what I want to encounter first thing in the morning.
Now mowing isn't a big deal though, we got plenty of rabbits to take care of that (well ok that brings in the snakes also, but the AZ snakes don't blend into grass like they do dirt.)
yeah, we could add gutters, and more dry stream beds, push the errosion away from the house, and aloe up out their. We did that on one corner, that still takes allot more work than the irrigation system (or pay a pro landscaper to do it.)
>the ratio of Energy Returned over Energy Input for solar is less than 1
what is the ER/EI for power from a power plant? seams you must add in the cost of building power lines, maintaining them, sacrificing land, and how much more copper,etc is used for conventional power than the solar power? Now thanks to varius government enties picking up much of that infrustrucute cost (paid out of taxes, not covered by those paid in your power bill) you can't base the cost just on whats cheaper. Don't forget about defending these infrustuctures from evil doers...
I am sure someone will say, but those lines exist. Well not completly for the infrustucture size that Google is constantly outgrowing.
It also seams that since you can stack much of the solar panel on buildings, etc, where as the power lines must be spread out, is where I think the space cost of conventional power is actually greater.
Dude, dell now sells AMD, they must be the best!!!
seriously whats up? I was looking to get a nice top of the line Dell system with Red Hat for our work server for months, but they offered nothing with the (then) top performing Athlon 64.
Only after Intel surpasses the best offerings from AMD, does Dell finally open up to AMD.
basically once I (most?) didn't care if they offer AMD anymore do they then cave in.
(Bought the Intel server from DELL finally, but it was only when it surpassed the AMD's in Performance/$ of the competition.)
> (it burns rapidly, but does not explode, there IS a big difference actually)
only difference I can think of, is what container it is placed in.
anything that has good energy density, (which is just about anything) will blow up when contained to a burst pressure of it's container.
>America as a result is leading in divorce.
don't forget their are other options besides divorce.
> configure it for text-only
didn't work, since I easily tracked this text only email back to zdnet.
:^)
unless you needed the VNC functionality anyway, http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ is definitly easier to install on windows, (up2date, or yum it for redhat/fedora)
and seams like it should be much easier on the bandwith.
> I'm even considering getting a 3rd screen,
I have dual screens, and synergy mouse/keyboard sharing that makes my laptop behave like the 3rd screen, highly recomended, even gives that extra processing power of a second computer. Also add a tray to stand the laptop up.
>It's a more complex issue that simply how many vulnerabilies each camp discloses.
Also it is a time for the standard stock quote, "Past performance is not a direct indicator of future performance."
I think their is no way to interpert which is more bug free product, from past security issues. If you assumed the two products started out with identical # of critical faults, then the product with the most patches is likely the most secure. Even if your trying to win a bet on which was more secure on 10-11-2006, you would have to assume both were equally secure at some date (say 2009) and look at which had the most bug patches between the two time periods.
You could deterime which company is more dedicated to support from current patch cycles. Actualy it is probably safe to say that InternetExplorer is a product that is much more difficult to support than firefox, because MS seams very dedicated to supporting their product, but are unable to safely release patches as quick as firefox. But even that is influenced by which support group has a more risk adverse nature, and which team is more familure with their product.
> It's a friggin' PUBLIC Library!
hmmm, the company I work for has a library, every private school has a library, what requirement is their that libraries be non-profit, and not associated with a corporation?
> who don't know the difference between public libraries and publicly-traded corporations.
ok educate us, seams most non-profit's maximize return to further their cause (which is often to maximize the salerys of upper management.)
where as the traded corporation is to maximize the return to the share holders (which always includes upper management.)
not sure how that difference matters to the question though.
> that's why they want google to pay for their copy,
the copys that google scanned, were purchased. I guess since they are being loaned out by the library at the same time that google shows their scanned copy, that their is a difference.
vista is making things difficult enough that a guru is wanted for installing applications. since that is true in linux as well: as the story says, MS is catching linux in increasing difficulty, not the other way around.
> providing a viable alternative to Microsoft, the command line has to go.
the gui seams equal to MS XP, in most linux flavors.
IE when troubleshooting networking in XP I always hit the command prompt in windows, you may be able to get the job done in a GUI (eventually), but their is no equivilent to the command line info/speed (without additional tools.)
same with linux, almost anything can be achived playing in menus, but the online help is mostly run "xyz.cmd -ofs thingy.info"
so really the difference I see, is geeks providing the help in linux, not as true in windows.
IMHO the question being asked NOW isn't about who the target "user" should be. The question is who should is the target administrator/installer?
Vista seams to be targeting integrators more. IE you sell a pre-setup system that is hard to break (and thus equally hard to change.) Linux is ahead in that game, IMHO, so can they beat ms to the punch?
2000 hours /week spread over 7800 employees.
so 30 minutes a week???? sounds like someone is wasting time, the ones who composed this report.
> we never got to hear from the side of racists who find these acts to be good and not bad.
some people can't represent themselves without doing more harm for their cause than good.
Extremists rarely make logical sense, even when their is a valid point to be made, because they are so clouded by emotion, they can't begin to understand what more the non follower would need to hear.
But I am guessing that was your point. For example when they give ample time to Jesse Jackson it makes me agree more with the White Supremists. But boy if I hear from a true white supremist, then I want to go shoot myself for both of us being considered part of the same human race.
> Dennis Miller is neither funny nor informed.
their seam to be two sides to Dennis Miller, I personally find him hillarous as long as he stays out of being too political.
The pure polticics show he (miller) was on was pretty much how you described it (crap).
I suspect that the difference between Dennis miller, and Jon Daily is just as much do to the difference in writing talent, as the difference in on screen abilitys. I also have no idea how much of the writing is influenced by Daily on TDS. But in order to do as many shows as he does, he obviously is very good at improvising (based on the live (ish?) interviews, although short they are, couldn's be completly scripted.)
FYI, microsoft is (generaly) a software company, all of their heavy lifting is done by other companys hardware.
Using trixbox for a PBX is another location where the microsoft tax is being displaced by linux.
guess you didn't read my whole post, stopped at that line?
thanks for the meaningless post, I simply said the MS server was required in all those solutions, and you never disputed that, or added any new content that I could find.
well, a sense of teritory is a inherit animal instinct, that seams to be present in most advanced life forms. probably has been carried too far in the human form, but it seams to exist instinictivaly in dogs, cats, fish, bugs, etc.
> However, private property is a harder sell. Too many freedoms are lost by too many people for too little gain by too few.
that one line is a bit harsh, otherwise excellent post. It is very important to me that I can get some freedom of space. Also without property rights, it is very difficult to protect (at least the american) personal property.
So I would support anyone, at anytime using the land around my house in a non destructive manner. However, that would mean that I couldn't do a very good job of protecting my motorcycles, bicycles, etc from the side effects. And in todays society that would leave a obligation to keep it safe, so my aggresive dog would loose access to his teritory... Then of course those sharing need to be tolerent to my rude acts, and in-appropriate clothing choices at home...
in all, it's a good ideal, but our society is too far gone to get back to the share everything free-love days.
>Telephony isn't Microsoft's market.
FYI, Last I checked the "PBX vendors like Avaya, NEC and Cisco" do use/require a Microsoft Server, and license to provide a VOIP solution. 4 years ago I got quotes from Cisco, and Avaya, don't recall NEC, but both required a microsoft server. I do believe they had a seperate box connected to the server, but the server was required. I ended up with Asterisk custom install, which I followed to the Asterisk@Home at 1.0.
I just moved to Trixbox image this week, so far that has been a big mistake, I have had many more problems, with stuff that worked in @home that isn't working in Trixbox, not sure what thats about.
>Ok, so Bush's response was bad. What would Kerry have done? Turn it over to the UN?
well, Kerry ran for president in 2004, so what he would have done in 2001 is a bit of a stretch.
with his service in war, I doubt he would have sat (hid?) in a kindergarden class for hours while we were at war.
I think what you really wanted to ask is what Al Gore would have done. well He did serve in combat, unlike bush, but I personally would have rather had Kerry's background in that situation. Al Gore is a really smart guy, in my opinion, and probably would have attacked the correct country. Instead I would have been very concerned what his response to katrina would have been. With his often radical views on environmentalism, he might just of pushed to return it to a swamp (I personaly would have liked that, but I realise that was never a option.)
>1. What would have been a better response to Middle East Terrorists destroying the 2 tallest building in the world, right in NYC?
well, considering the WTC hasn't been the tallest building in the world (or even the us) since 1973.
I would consider spending billions more on education a better start.
for the price of the war in Iraq we could have built to World trade centers in every single state (well maybe not hawaii, with their earth conditions) and still had resources left over to kill the actuall terorists.