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Microsoft Plugs a Record 26 Security Holes

An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft today released ten patches to fix at least 26 separate security holes, including a whopping 16 flaws in Microsoft Office and its constituent apps. According to Washingtonpost.com's Security Fix blog, this is the most number of patches ever released by Redmond outside of a Windows service pack. Also of note, six of today's updates apply to fully patched Windows XP systems, and two of the flaws are actually present in Windows Vista."

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  1. IE7? by JoeShmoe950 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Apparently the rumors of the pending IE7 release for today were false?

    Who is Senia Sheydvasser? http://www.tevlog.com/senia.thml

    1. Re:IE7? by inKubus · · Score: 1

      They said they would roll it out with Windows Update about 2 weeks after it's available to download. Thus, no.

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    2. Re:IE7? by DittoBox · · Score: 1

      http://www.theregister.com/2006/10/10/ie7_releas e_latest/

      I think they were just off, but it is this month it seems.

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    3. Re:IE7? by York+the+Mysterious · · Score: 1

      It'll be out in the November patch day even though IE 7 comes out in October. That's where all this confusion is coming from.

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    4. Re:IE7? by DittoBox · · Score: 1

      Slashcode screwed the link. Try This Instead

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    5. Re:IE7? by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      Apparently the rumors of the pending IE7 release for today were false?

      Depends how you look at it. Technically since there was no IE7 in today's patches, IE7 is still pending.
      If they would deliver it, then it wouldn't be pending anymore.

      I know, I know, I deserve the friggin Pedant of the Year medal.

  2. It could have been worse... by xTantrum · · Score: 4, Funny

    It could have been 27!

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    1. Re:It could have been worse... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      No, no. The security holes in record #26 were far, far worse.

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    2. Re:It could have been worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      27? My girlfriend found 27 exploits for windows xp.

    3. Re:It could have been worse... by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      You lost your credibility after the word "girlfriend":)

    4. Re:It could have been worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      That's 40Mbytes of "patches" this month. Is microsoft working for the broadband companies? That is going to be a real pain to download on dialup. So it seems the killer app for broadband is not video-on-demand or music streaming, it is microsoft patches.

    5. Re:It could have been worse... by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1
      27 would have been better, maybe this would have been patched.

      We could get more upset about UNPATCHED holes, not when they release fixes.

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  3. One at a time, MS! by KinkoBlast · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't it really make more sense to kick them out the door as soon as they are reasonably sure the patch works, as opposed to saveing them up for a while?

    1. Re:One at a time, MS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      No. They tried that. Corporate customers revolted because their IT teams couldn't keep up with patch testing/deployment. And as history has shown (MSBlaster), the worm-clock starts ticking once the patch is available to the general public (it is faster for exploiters to reverse engineer the patch to find the hole), meaning it isn't practical for IT departments to "hold" onto patches and deploy them on their own monthly cycle.

  4. Well Guess that means by JensenDied · · Score: 1

    That Vista RC2 still isnt ready. Think it will ever be though...?

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    1. Re:Well Guess that means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? Of course Vista will have security flaws. I'm not saying it's ready for release, but finding a security flaw doesn't mean it's not. Completely irrelevant.

    2. Re:Well Guess that means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Vista ain't done until Firefox won't run!

      I kid! I kid!

    3. Re:Well Guess that means by mackyrae · · Score: 1

      I thought RC2 was released last week. At least, I'm pretty sure I got an email from M$ saying "hey, RC2 is out, go download it".

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    4. Re:Well Guess that means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Vista test system is completely safe- it won't talk to the Ethernet card ("Permission denied")

    5. Re:Well Guess that means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/Firefox/IceWeasel/g

  5. It's not how many were patched... by rjamestaylor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's how many remain that's important.

    And, how many were created in the making of the 26 patches?

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    1. Re:It's not how many were patched... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as humans create the code, bugs will always remain.

  6. ".NET" - a computer "language"?! by blcamp · · Score: 2, Informative


    I am really annoyed by journalists who pose as experts in whatever they are reporting on.

    This guy tries to explain to the average reader/non-geek that Microsoft .NET is a "computer language".

    He should at least refer to it as a platform, even if the vast majority of the readership won't know the difference.

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    1. Re:".NET" - a computer "language"?! by Shados · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Regardless of how it happens, .NET is a way to tell a computer to do stuff. Of course, we can go in the technicalities that the .NET platform supports multiple languages (which in the end are all quite similar, because the platform affects them so much), that its a virtual machine environment, blah blah blah.

      But its a way to -tell- a computer to do "stuff". So I guess saying its a computer language is "good enough". Misleading, and I'd get annoyed if this appeared in more technicaly oriented articles, but like this, being specific while still allowing the average joe to understand would just shift the scope of the article. What .NET truly is simply cannot be explained to a technicaly challenged person without spawning on several lines, which wouldn't have their place in that article.

    2. Re:".NET" - a computer "language"?! by truthsearch · · Score: 1

      Since your average user doesn't really know what a "computer language" is either, it may have been more appropriate to call it a "software platform" with a link to wikipedia to assist those who are interested in learning more. After all, that's what links are for.

    3. Re:".NET" - a computer "language"?! by Shados · · Score: 2, Informative

      I disagree. My 85 years old grand father, who has never booted a computer of his own life, never had an email adress, or anything of the sort, knows what a computer language is. Same with a lot of people. That is a bit of my personal experience, so it might not reflect the rest of the world, but it is what I'm going by here. I've used the terms "computer language" while describing what I do for a living to a -lot- of people, and it virtualy always goes through. The term "software" doesn't always, so...

    4. Re:".NET" - a computer "language"?! by Planesdragon · · Score: 4, Funny

      This guy tries to explain to the average reader/non-geek that Microsoft .NET is a "computer language".

      So long as your precompiled code is a combination of English and C, and yet you still prefer to call it a "language", you shouldn't be surprised to hear others mis-use the word just as bad as you.

      C, C++, VB, Java, Perl, Pascal, Javascript, and all the rest are syntaxes, not languages.

    5. Re:".NET" - a computer "language"?! by Tim+C · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He should at least refer to it as a platform

      Well, its full name is "the .NET Framework", so perhaps he really ought to be calling it a framework, not a platform.

    6. Re:".NET" - a computer "language"?! by HeroreV · · Score: 1

      Your dictionary is broken. Webster says language is "a systematic means of communicating ideas or feelings by the use of conventionalized signs, sounds, gestures, or marks having understood meanings".

    7. Re:".NET" - a computer "language"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Correct syntax mandates an adverb just as badly as correct language.

  7. 26 down... by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    and exactly how many jillions more to go?

    Fixing Windows, doesn't.

    RS

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    1. Re:26 down... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "and exactly how many jillions more to go?"

      In stark contrast to Linux, BSD, and OSX, which are completely defect free.

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    2. Re:26 down... by krray · · Score: 1

      In stark contrast to Linux, BSD, and OSX, which are completely defect free.

      Relatively speaking when looking at "critical" exploits [read: remote exploit taking full control of your system]?
      Completely defect free? No. In comparison though ... I'll take any of the Unix's over Windows on my desktop and server any day/night of the week[end].

      Of course I am one of the anal ones and monitor my banks servers [yes, I bank online] -- and have closed accounts when I've seen them go to Windows (and they later wonder why they got hacked; it was not me :). I remember the blank look on our 401k's administrators face when I simply said "NO." when they wanted to take our corporate employees accounts online so it would be easier for them [the bank] to manage. Hosted: on Windows. Hacked within 3 months and silently taken offline.

      Yeah, IMHO and experience (albeit limited even though I am a network admin and have multiple full fledged degrees in computer science) I would say the contrast is very stark. Those MSCE's that love to attempt to apply have dutifully been shown the server room ... and then the door.

    3. Re:26 down... by Crunchie+Frog · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nice masturbation there. Well done.

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    4. Re:26 down... by Hassman · · Score: 1

      Wow, you must be the most elite person ever. Do people divert their eyes when gazing in your general direction? We lowly surfs dare not even attempt to have a normal conversation with you, as we'd all be exposed for what we are.

      Don't forget to cleanup your man-gook when you're done stroking your ego.

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  8. Windows update is a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Until Microsoft provides a way to update from a fresh install to the latest patched version offline, I consider my Windows box to be already compromised.

    1. Re:Windows update is a joke by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      since MS require either a full pallet of money or the first born from a virgin birth to run an update server the closest you can get is Autopatcher.com (you download the file and it expands into the patch set from sp2 to current month-1 (so the latest AP is september since this is october). Not perfect but it should prevent you from being LHF after you get everything installed.

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    2. Re:Windows update is a joke by imemyself · · Score: 1

      since MS require either a full pallet of money or the first born from a virgin birth to run an update server

      Umm, wtf are you smoking? I hate MS, but atleast try to actually use the software before you bitch about it. Installing a WSUS server is pretty fucking painless. And its free, just like its predecessor. True, you do have to have Win 2k or 2k3 server, and SQL Server, but SQL Server express is free, and if you don't have or can't get a copy of Windows server then you probably don't use Windows enough to need a local update server. Its just a matter of installing the server, sync'ing the updates, and setting the group policy so that the clients will connect to your server, not MS's. If you can't handle that, then I don't know why you're on /.

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    3. Re:Windows update is a joke by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "Until Microsoft provides a way to update from a fresh install to the latest patched version offline, I consider my Windows box to be already compromised."

      Like this?

      Better yet, you can download these patches and slipstream them into the installation folder, then all you need is a way to make a CD bootable or to make some boot floppies and your fresh install will already be the latest patched version. Sort by release date, go back to the latest service pack, and download it and newer patches.

      This has only been the way things have worked since Windows 2000, i. e. for the last six years. Might want to upgrade from NT 4 if you want to stay on top of your Windows bashing.

    4. Re:Windows update is a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So your solution is to sift through 202 results found for Windows XP Professional and manually find and click on potentially 100 links?

    5. Re:Windows update is a joke by rdebath · · Score: 1

      Plus even if you do get the right 100 patches "slipstreaming" a patch into a windows CD is an unsupported PAIN IN THE ARSE.

      Sorry, that's only 80 patches since SP2 ... not including this month ... oh, er, okay 100 then!

    6. Re:Windows update is a joke by aybiss · · Score: 0

      Insightful? I think not. There are already THREE ways to install an updated version or to update it without going online. And of course there is Windizupdate.

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    7. Re:Windows update is a joke by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      The parent wanted an offline solution. This is it. The only way to automate the process (theoretically as well as currently) is to have the target machine search and manage patching itself, which is what Linux distros as well as the various offerings from Microsoft do.

      If you want an airgap between the machine and the internet until it is completely patched, be prepared to act as its go-between.

    8. Re:Windows update is a joke by ben_rh · · Score: 1

      The only way to automate the process (theoretically as well as currently) is to have the target machine search and manage patching itself

      Theoretically as well as currently? That's not right, there's certainly ways to achieve it without manually downloading each patch separately.

      How about a bundle that is continually updated to just contain _everything_? Since it would all be managed by one installer, the duplication of the installer across multiple executables would be eliminated, which would probably save a lot of space (I'd say it'd be on the level of a meg or so per file). Yes, this would be a very large file. But who cares? The initial download required for the 60 or so patches for a fresh XP install wouldn't be all that much less (maybe it'd require 20% more bandwidth.. who cares).

      Or, even better, how about a scanning tool that's updated each month as new patches are rolled out, that can be downloaded to a USB stick or similar, and run on a new offline machine. The tool inspects the target machine and generates an XML file (required-patches-for-#{hostname}.xml, or maybe with a UUID or whatever is appropriate) that you submit in a webform to download a zipped archive of all appropriate patches. Put the USB stick back in the target, run the tool again, and it automatically installs all the patches it finds in the bundle, checking against the XML it generated earlier. Easy.

      It'd work, it's prettty simple, and if it was done correctly, would completely warrant that the target machine didn't touch the interwebs until it was completely patched up-to-the-minute.

  9. DISASTROUS NEWS ! by unity100 · · Score: 3, Funny

    microsoft introduces 2-3 holes while fixing one .. if they patch up with that speed from now on, it means ... uh oh ...

    1. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by ronkronk · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I remember when Windows 95 came out, with its weak, obviously-an-afterthought "web browser" (IE 3.0). It was painfully obvious that Microsoft had missed the Internet boat, and shortly thereafter, Bill Gates sent his historic all-hands memo pointing the company in the direction of the Internet.

      It took them some time to get it right, but eventually IE took over. Now, you'd have a hard time finding a Microsoft product more complex than Minesweeper or calc.exe that doesn't connect to the Net somehow. And let's not forget that Netscape provided Microsoft with some much-appreciated help in taking over the Web, by screwing up their own release schedule so badly that there never was a Netscape 5.0.

      Flash-forward to a couple of years ago, when Bill sent out yet another all-hands memo, pointing the company in the direction of security. At first, we all laughed. But now it's becoming more and more obvious that they're taking security every bit as seriously as they once took the Internet. They are aiming to be the top of the heap in security, and they've got drive, ambition and aggression.

      Make no mistake, this kind of event is exactly what a company that wants to get secure should be doing. Thomlinson's comments about how seeing their code exploited "hits people in the gut", and the fact that "he was glad to see the crowd of engineers taking things personally" -- these things are right on the money. These things say to me that, within a few years, we're going to see some really damn secure stuff coming out of Microsoft.

      In the meantime, Firefox exploits are cropping up at a seemingly greater pace. This worries me. It looks like a repeat of 1997, when Netscape lost huge amounts of ground to IE by producing a product that wasn't as good as the competition. SP2 wa s huge leap forward in security for Windows and for IE, and Blue Hat makes it obvious that Microsoft is just going to get better at it. In the meantime, Firefox appears to be standing still on the security front, or maybe even losing a little ground. Sure, it's still miles ahead of IE's security, but if IE keeps up the pace, it will overtake Firefox sooner or later -- probably sooner.

      Is there any way the Firefox development team (and the OO.o team, and anyone else who's working on high-profile F/OSS projects) can take a lesson from Blue hat? Can we get together events like this of our own?

      If we don't, I can already see that by 2009 or so, at the latest, I'll be telling clients to go with Microsoft products, because they're more secure than F/OSS. And I don't want to see that happen.

    2. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by menkhaura · · Score: 1, Flamebait
      It took them some time to get it right, but eventually IE took over. Now, you'd have a hard time finding a Microsoft product more complex than Minesweeper or calc.exe that doesn't connect to the Net somehow.


      Does that mean that I can do a File->Open and type in an URL from MS Office and have a remote document right on my screen?*

      *Half trolling, half really wanting to know if I can do this, since I can with KDE for some time now.
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    3. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by LindseyJ · · Score: 1

      Why don't you want to see that happen? Because it's a big, bad devil corporation making it instead of some other corporation that believes in OSS?

      Personally, I will keep telling my clients to use whatever is the best for what they tell me they want to do. Whether that is Linux or OSX or Windows running Photoshop or The Gimp or MS Office or OO.o or etc. I get paid money to tell people these things honestly, not be an OSS zealot. And the day closed-source software starts being more secure than OSS software is the day I will start telling people that.

    4. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's not forget that we'll never know exactly how many total exploits IE really has. Microsoft may know of 100 more that they simply haven't disclosed. We'll never know. But anyone can inspect Firefox. Don't think that simply because IE has less publicly documented exploits that it's more secure. Unless you work for the software vendor, you will never really know how secure any proprietary software is.

      Also look at how quickly Microsoft fixes security vulnerabilities. They've let major holes exist for 3 years or more. Even if they have fewer vulnerabilities it's almost irrelevant if they don't fix the ones they have.

      It's a more complex issue that simply how many vulnerabilies each camp discloses.

    5. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course you can, stupid.

      How can a KDE user be so clueless?

    6. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative
      I remember when Windows 95 came out, with its weak, obviously-an-afterthought "web browser" (IE 3.0).

      I don't think you do. Internet Explorer 3 was released on August 13, 1996. Windows NT 4.0, which shipped a year after Windows 95, came with IE 2.0 (which crashed on launch on a fresh install; something I thought was quite impressive. Fortunately, Windows Update didn't require IE back then, and so you could download a newer version through that).

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    7. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by Sqwubbsy · · Score: 1

      They're doing this for SharePoint which is going to be the lynchpin for EVERYTHING they're doing.
      Specifically, SharePoint + Groove. Remember, Ray Ozzie is driving this. All of these patches are aimed at OFFICE . Think about it. Collaboration. Real-time working on documents from different locations. Chatting. VoIP.
      It's coming.
      And Linux doesn't have an answer. Sorry. SugarCRM doesn't cut it.
      So, yeah, Konquerer has fish and ssh from the URL line, but virtual work locations is going to be where it's at.
      Open Source would do well to integrate drupal + wiki + OpenOffice or somesuch to get the equivalent.
      Instead RMS is probably somewhere bitching about the vagueries of licensing.

    8. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by IchBinEinPenguin · · Score: 1

      These things say to me that, within a few years, we're going to see some really damn secure stuff coming out of Microsoft.

      Adding internet capability does not remove things from the programs it was added to.
      Adding "security" usually means loosing features, options, performance, "ease of (ab)use", time-to-market etc. Security is a trade-off.
      Also, much of their "security" effort is directed at DRM (which has nothing to do with _MY_ security).

      I think they'll get better at security, but at some point they'll "leave well enough alone".

    9. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by penix1 · · Score: 1
      It's a more complex issue that simply how many vulnerabilities each camp discloses.


      You are right about that. The more important number to keep track of are out of those exploitable ones how many are exploited in the wild. That IMO is the problem with "security by obscurity". By the time they get around to fixing the exploit it is already being exploited. Nothing like closing the barn door when the horse is dead from pneumonia.

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    10. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by xlsior · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Flash-forward to a couple of years ago, when Bill sent out yet another all-hands memo, pointing the company in the direction of security. At first, we all laughed. But now it's becoming more and more obvious that they're taking security every bit as seriously as they once took the Internet. They are aiming to be the top of the heap in security, and they've got drive, ambition and aggression.

      Too bad that it won't work, unless they scrap everything they have and start from scratch, likely breaking all most backwards compatibility in the progress.

      'security' isn't something you can just slap on top after the fact, it's the foundation of a solid system. If you just paint over the holes, you will keep on doing that forever.

    11. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by penix1 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I think your crystal ball is a little foggy there. Let me help you...

      They're doing this for SharePoint which is going to be the lynchpin for EVERYTHING they're doing.
      Specifically, SharePoint + Groove. Remember, Ray Ozzie is driving this. All of these patches are aimed at OFFICE . Think about it. Collaboration. Real-time working on documents from different locations. Chatting. VoIP.
      It's coming.


      Norman set your WayBack machine to 1995 (because hindsight is 20/20). The "big" thing with Microsoft Office 95's release was "office automation, web integration, and ease of use". By default, macros were enabled and every one of Microsoft Office's applications supported them even across applications. Now, flash forward to Office 2003. The biggest push for this is the turning off of macro support by default and nagging those that do use it to death over the security implications. As for their old web integration, they all but dropped that because of the exploits inherent to Outlook. Although your comment looks good on paper, it is a security nightmare waiting to happen. I pity the Windows admins out there that will have to deal with the fallout until Microsoft turns those off by default.

      Sadly though, this kind of thing does appeal to the clueless PHBs which is why I didn't claim your crystal ball was dark. Some will implement it just like some implemented macros. Those will be the first casualties.

      As a side note, I work for State government and our email server strips out Excel documents as "dangerous content" every time someone tries to send me one. I know this is a policy gone nuts but there still is nothing I can do to remedy that situation other than use a different address for Excel stuff.
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    12. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by batkiwi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, you can. It can be on any web server.

      Now for the kicker:
      If that URL happens to point to a sharepoint server, when you click "save" it will save it back to the site, update the document history, prompt you for any necessary meta-data, and (with 2007) kick off a workflow for (example here) document approval.

    13. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by uhlume · · Score: 1

      Only for the last five or six years.

      Welcome to the table, troll.

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    14. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      'security' isn't something you can just slap on top after the fact, it's the foundation of a solid system. If you just paint over the holes, you will keep on doing that forever.

      Fortunate, then, that the "foundation" of Windows is quite good.

    15. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by Zantetsuken · · Score: 1

      do like you do with sending .zip's over webmail (gmail, yahoo, etc) and rename it - for example I had to send one to myself a few hours ago, and remembered seeing somebody with their email displayed in their /. sig (without link) and a notice after the address to remove all h's or something of the sort that had been randomly stuck in to actually be able to send to the email address. this is effectively what I did with the .zip doc - inserted n's, making .zip .nzninpn

    16. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by stikves · · Score: 1

      Too bad that it won't work, unless they scrap everything they have and start from scratch, likely breaking all most backwards compatibility in the progress.

      Yep, as it's pointed out above, this is one of the biggest reasons to why vista is delayed so much. Wikipedia has information on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windo ws_Vista#Security_and_safety

    17. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by mpe · · Score: 1

      Microsoft may know of 100 more that they simply haven't disclosed. We'll never know. But anyone can inspect Firefox.

      Also anyone can add to the official bug list for Firefox.

      Don't think that simply because IE has less publicly documented exploits that it's more secure. Unless you work for the software vendor, you will never really know how secure any proprietary software is.

      It's perfectly possible for the software company not to know about bugs in its own software. Especially if they are a large corporate entity.

    18. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by hany · · Score: 1
      If we don't, I can already see that by 2009 or so, at the latest, I'll be telling clients to go with Microsoft products, because they're more secure than F/OSS. And I don't want to see that happen.

      I hope I can be that optimistic as you are!

      You know, the other day I've got discusion here on /. with other guy about drivers. Problem is, that "kernel folks" in an attempt to rid themselves of the need to maintain a lot of backward-compatibility layers do not provide stable driver API. (there are of course also other reasons, but there is not point in diging into that here.)

      On the other hand, Microsoft provides a lot of backward compatibility in Windows OS.

      I do not know whether you are programmer or not and whether at some point of your developement career you maintained some backward compatibility layer, but I think we can agree on a statement that maintaining such layers is hard.

      And it is also harder to secure them because sometimes "the bug" is not in the code but in the specification. So, if you want to fix it, you have to change the specification thus breaking the backward compatibility.

      So, I realy do hope that Microsoft will get the security right - it may not be enought to convince me to switch from Linux but I'm quite sure I'll still benefit (by getting less SPAM thaks to reduced amount of zombie PCs on the Net, etc.).

      But I suspect that securing the whole Windows OS+bundled apps will take much more time and effort than improving inferior web browser.

      Especialy when we consider that for a lot of years Microsoft designed products essentialy ignoring security.

      So again, I hope they succeed after Bill Gates' security memos, but I suspect it wont be that soon (and it wont be Vista, either).

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    19. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by earthbound+kid · · Score: 1

      Thank you! I wish I hadn't used my last mod point this afternoon. I don't know how someone can get to +5 for saying something that anyone with a 9 year memory span can easily contract: Windows 95 didn't come with any web browser, let alone IE freaking 3! To get the first IE, you had to buy the "Plus!" pack. IE 2 was released shortly thereafter. IE 3 was the first decent version of IE and came significantly after Windows 95.

      This should all be "no, duh" material, but it looks like you're the only other person aware of it...

    20. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by porl · · Score: 1

      and still the WMF vulnerability was present in vista after the announcement to rebuild completely with a more secure base... starting from scratch my arse...

    21. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by Sqwubbsy · · Score: 1

      I understand the macro issue quite well and, outside of turning them off, the other option is to 'sign' the files.
      But how do I at company X know that I can trust you at office Y?
      Active Directory and Passport.

      And I know it's going to be a fucking nightmare. I don't warrant the vision, but I will be getting paid (hopefully) to both implement and fix it.
      Now not accepting Excel spreadsheets just shows your CIO (or whoever is making the decisions) is a neanderthal.

    22. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      downmodded: puff piece about the author's career.

    23. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by Trelane · · Score: 1
      If that URL happens to point to a sharepoint server, when you click "save" it will save it back to the site, update the document history, prompt you for any necessary meta-data, and (with 2007) kick off a workflow for (example here) document approval.
      That sounds nifty. What about if it's not a Microsoft SharePoint Server. Instead, say, WebDAV or something. Or a BZR repository?
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    24. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now for the real kicker: In real-world experience you'll find that this allows others in your group to accidentally overwrite your file with a copy they checked out before you could save your changes back. There's no file-locking - at least not on the Sharepoint server Microsoft configured for us.

    25. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by greed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It works just fine with WebDAV. In fact, it works better with WebDAV than the Web Folders thing does. Add "SVNAutoversioning on" to your Subversion repository config and have fun, just for one example.

    26. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by Dare+nMc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >It's a more complex issue that simply how many vulnerabilies each camp discloses.
      Also it is a time for the standard stock quote, "Past performance is not a direct indicator of future performance."

      I think their is no way to interpert which is more bug free product, from past security issues. If you assumed the two products started out with identical # of critical faults, then the product with the most patches is likely the most secure. Even if your trying to win a bet on which was more secure on 10-11-2006, you would have to assume both were equally secure at some date (say 2009) and look at which had the most bug patches between the two time periods.

      You could deterime which company is more dedicated to support from current patch cycles. Actualy it is probably safe to say that InternetExplorer is a product that is much more difficult to support than firefox, because MS seams very dedicated to supporting their product, but are unable to safely release patches as quick as firefox. But even that is influenced by which support group has a more risk adverse nature, and which team is more familure with their product.

    27. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by Trelane · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Thanks for the update.

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    28. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yes, you can. It can be on any web server.


      What on earth is this in reply to? I have no idea what you're talking about.

      Slashdot, in its infinite wisdon has decided that the post you are replying to must be hidden through the inconsistent (broken?) moderation system. I do not have the patience to deal with the broken pagination of threshold -1 flat or nested display to try and figure out what you are replying to.

      A (Score:4, Informative) post is totally is useless when there is absolutley no context to elucidate what it is talking about.

      For the love of god, PLEASE quote the post you are replying to as long as Slashdot insists on using the assinine and continuity destroying moderation system and refuses to fix the pagination of the threshold -1 Flat/Nested displays.

      Grrr.
    29. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by stonedonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I remember when Windows 95 came out, with its weak, obviously-an-afterthought "web browser" (IE 3.0). It was painfully obvious that Microsoft had missed the Internet boat, and shortly thereafter, Bill Gates sent his historic all-hands memo pointing the company in the direction of the Internet.

      [Hi, my name is Stonedonkey. I noticed that your extremely shitty post got marked "5 interesting." My notations will be in brackets. Enjoy!]

      It took them some time to get it right, but eventually IE took over.

      [By being bundled into every version of the OS for the last ten years.]

      Now, you'd have a hard time finding a Microsoft product more complex than Minesweeper or calc.exe that doesn't connect to the Net somehow.

      [Specious exaggeration that isn't really relevant.]

      And let's not forget that Netscape provided Microsoft with some much-appreciated help in taking over the Web, by screwing up their own release schedule so badly that there never was a Netscape 5.0.

      [IE won because of its default desktop placement.]

      Flash-forward to a couple of years ago, when Bill sent out yet another all-hands memo, pointing the company in the direction of security. At first, we all laughed. But now it's becoming more and more obvious that they're taking security every bit as seriously as they once took the Internet. They are aiming to be the top of the heap in security, and they've got drive, ambition and aggression.

      [In what sector? Desktop consumers? Can you provide some supporting material for all these pronouns?]

      Make no mistake, this kind of event is exactly what a company that wants to get secure should be doing. Thomlinson's comments about how seeing their code exploited "hits people in the gut", and the fact that "he was glad to see the crowd of engineers taking things personally" -- these things are right on the money. These things say to me that, within a few years, we're going to see some really damn secure stuff coming out of Microsoft.

      [That's great. But right now, I can get superior software for free. Then again, you didn't specify what sector you're talking about, so I can't say for sure.]

      In the meantime, Firefox exploits are cropping up at a seemingly greater pace. This worries me.

      [See the other guy's response about open source.]

        It looks like a repeat of 1997, when Netscape lost huge amounts of ground to IE by producing a product that wasn't as good as the competition.

      [There you go again, glossing over IE's default inclusion.]

      SP2 was huge leap forward in security for Windows and for IE, and Blue Hat makes it obvious that Microsoft is just going to get better at it.

      [Oh, shut yo mouth. SP2 was not a "huge leap forward." Not when MS was so far behind to begin with. It sealed some painfully obvious cracks, but I wouldn't hand them any trophies for it.]

      In the meantime, Firefox appears to be standing still on the security front, or maybe even losing a little ground.

      [A little subjective. Is your assured tone suppose to make your reaction generalizable and trustworthy?]

      Sure, it's still miles ahead of IE's security, but if IE keeps up the pace, it will overtake Firefox sooner or later -- probably sooner.

      [This is a contradiction. Or, at best, a back-handed compliment.]

      Is there any way the Firefox development team (and the OO.o team, and anyone else who's working on high-profile F/OSS projects) can take a lesson from Blue hat? Can we get together events like this of our own?

      [Will it be another failure of open source if we don't? Should I be surprised when you sieze that "failure" as an example of some larger and wholly imagined problem?]

      If we don't, I can already see that by 2009 or so, at the latest, I'll be telling clients to go with Microsoft products, because they're more secure than F/OSS.

      [Suit yourself, Nostradamus. Maybe by then Microsoft will "share" some of its code to assuage your worries. By the way, how in the flaming fuck do you make the leap from "Mozilla" to "F/OSS"? I'm sorry, but that's pure jackassery, pal.]

      And I don't want to see that happen.

      [In that, we agree.]

    30. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I remember when Windows 95 came out, with its weak, obviously-an-afterthought "web browser" (IE 3.0). It was painfully obvious that Microsoft had missed the Internet boat, and shortly thereafter, Bill Gates sent his historic all-hands memo pointing the company in the direction of the Internet.

      Compared to whom?

      I never used OS/2 or Amiga, but compared to Macintosh, Microsoft was WAY ahead on the whole internet thing. Apple didn't even release a PPP connection tool until, what, version 7.5 or so? Long after Windows 95 had one standard. I don't remember when Apple started putting web browsers on the OS CD, but I'd guess it was either version 7.5 or 8.0, again, long after Microsoft was doing same.

      I'd like to see a more detailed explanation of Microsoft "missing the Internet boat" please.

    31. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by mamer-retrogamer · · Score: 1
      I remember when Windows 95 came out, with its weak, obviously-an-afterthought "web browser" (IE 3.0).
      You remember incorrectly, my friend. Actually, when Windows 95 came out on August 24th, 1995, it didn't even include a web browser. Internet Explorer 2.0 was part of the optional ($49) Plus! pack. (IE 3.0 was later and signified IE's shift away from its NCSA Mosaic roots and down the path of the IE we all came to know and hate).
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    32. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by stikves · · Score: 1

      Ok, I hope this does not turn into a flamewar.

      By writing from scratch they do not mean throwing away all the previous code, it's not reasonable. However they did indeed redesign many core places of the OS.

      At first, as everybody knows, they wanted to increase the value of their desktop platform (winfs, desktop composition, .net only code, etc). However they realized that not only their code was unsecure, but it was also unmaintanable, and not fit these kinds of enhancements.

      So they did redesign the presentation (GUI), sound, power management, networking, security (user accounts, remote desktop, etc), monitoring, kernel and application protection schemes, and similar core aspects of their OS. So this enabled them to complete some of their inital goas, on the other hand they were also able to give us a more stable and secure platform.

      As for the WMF exploit (it's already probably patched by now), they did not throw away all the utility libraries (metafiles is one of them) so it could somehow stayed there. However since they redisigned IE7 to include a sandbox, this or any other unknown vulnurability will be much harder to exploit (the exploit will not have access to file system, registry, network, etc).

      Please understand that I'm not a Microsoft fanboy, I'm just recognizing their hard effords.

    33. Re:DISASTROUS NEWS ! by uhlume · · Score: 1

      ...Attempt to provoke reaction with a stupid question, easily satisfied by a quick Google search, get modded "Interesting".

      Call a troll a troll, get modded "Troll".

      Slashlogic at its finest.

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  10. Holes by Ice+Wewe · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...In other news, Microsoft plans to patch the 17 holes created by these patches sometime by the end of the month.

  11. How many were previously identified by Timesprout · · Score: 1

    yada yada
    god forbid they take it seriously

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  12. and this compares with by Timesprout · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    the 492 (guess but understated) vulnerabilities in ubuntu

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    1. Re:and this compares with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the number of holes in Windows can't be compared to the number of holes in all 3rd party Linux software combined.

    2. Re:and this compares with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure it can.
      lda #WINBUGS
      ldb #LINUXBUGS
      cmpab

    3. Re:and this compares with by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but if it comes on the installation CD for the OS then the general public considers it to be part of the OS.

      If you don't want to count those bugs, then you can't count bugs in IE as belonging to windows, because it was proven that IE isn't part of the OS.

    4. Re:and this compares with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure it can.

      under 500 holes in 15000 packages
        or 1 for every 30 packages.

      vs.

      26 for about 10 packages (if we count each version of windows and office as a different package)
        or 2.6 for every 1

      MS vs Everything-Else-Under-The-Sun and MS still comes away with the high score! Eat that you *nix-fan-boys! BooYaa!

    5. Re:and this compares with by DeadChobi · · Score: 1

      Wait, where do you get 15,000 packages from? Are you counting the actual packages in the OS, or each OS itself? If you're considering each individual package in Linux a "package" then you have to consider each program in Windows a "package." This means that Solitare counts as a single package, Minesweeper counts as a single package, Notepad counts as a single package, etc. It's really not a fair comparison otherwise.

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    6. Re:and this compares with by penix1 · · Score: 1
      If you don't want to count those bugs, then you can't count bugs in IE as belonging to windows, because it was proven that IE isn't part of the OS.


      You forgot to add an "oh, wait..." to the end of that. Microsoft argued itself into that corner in the DoJ v Microsoft antitrust trial. By claiming IE is an "integral part of the OS" they set that standard themselves.

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    7. Re:and this compares with by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      And it was later shown that they were wrong, and that it could be removed from the system. You can't have it both ways. Either it's part of the OS or it's not.

  13. On behalf of many admins . . . by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    I'll start brewing the coffee. It might be a long night.

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    1. Re:On behalf of many admins . . . by mdboyd · · Score: 1

      Don't forget to install your updates one at a time on servers. That way if the updates manage to wreak havoc, you know exactly which update it was that did it and should hopefully be able to roll back fairly easily.

  14. Could be worse..... by ezratrumpet · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The package could have included IE 7, as was rumored yesterday.

  15. Patch for Mac Office by peektwice · · Score: 1, Troll

    From TFA: one of the Word flaws is only present in the version made for Apple Macintosh systems
    Is that to say that they aren't concentrating on fixing the Mac software, so as to intentionally make Macs less secure if they run MS software and bolster their argument that Macs are no more secure than Wintels?
    Or is it that the people at MS writing Mac software are better at it?
    Or is it that Macs are inherently more secure?
    Or......a million others. I thought it was highly interesting that there were a high number of flaws in the Windows Office, but only one in the Mac Office. What say you /.?

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    1. Re:Patch for Mac Office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wintel? You do know that Macs run on Intel processors as well, right? The whole wintel term is gone man, stop living in the past.

    2. Re:Patch for Mac Office by LindseyJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Where does it say that the Mac version only has one bug? From here it looks like it says one of the flaws is only present in the mac version. In other words, the Mac version has a bug that the Windows version doesn't (which, considering how different OSX is from XP, is perfectly understandable); it doesn't say "The only bug in the Mac version was patched". Given the amount of such posts I've already seen in this thread, I'm pretty suprised you're latching onto this 'only one bug' thing, instead of the 'only one bug found, but how many more are still there / created from the fix' shtick.

    3. Re:Patch for Mac Office by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Or......a million others. I thought it was highly interesting that there were a high number of flaws in the Windows Office, but only one in the Mac Office. What say you /.?

      Office for Mac is largely a separate codebase to Office for Windows. Added to that, Office for Mac is a significantly newer codebase that has relatively recently been exposed to some signficant workovers (for OS X). It isn't surprising at all that it would a) have fewer bugs and b) have bugs that were not present in Office for Windows.

      Of course, facts rarely get in the way of irrational paranoia, *especially* when it coes to Slashdot and Microsoft...

  16. Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB. by MSFanBoi2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, at least Microsoft is fixing them.

    Microsoft has bugs, people complain.

    Microsoft fixes the bugs, people complain.

    Apple releases an incremental update to OS X 10.2 to 10.3 and charge you for it ($129.00), and when they release a MASSIVE update in September, not a peep of complaints...

  17. That's nothing.... by zmod3m · · Score: 1

    ....i once saw this pr0n where 27 holes.....oh wait thats off-topic

    1. Re:That's nothing.... by popechunk · · Score: 1

      Speaking of getting fucked, I just went to Windows Update to install these, and it installed Windows Genuine Advantage without warning me that it was going to. I'd been avoiding installing it. But when I just went to grab these patches, it told me that Windows Update itself needed patching. I okayed that, and it said, "Installing Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool," or some such other sneakiness. Tricksie fucks.

    2. Re:That's nothing.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, Microsoft apologists moding down the most insightful post here

    3. Re:That's nothing.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i wish i had mod points to help the grandparent out, but he was a little off the mark

      fix #1 here
      fix #2 here
      fix #3 here

    4. Re:That's nothing.... by megaditto · · Score: 1

      Damn, that just made my day.

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  18. What procedures? by Kris_J · · Score: 1

    It's a good thing we don't have a policy that requires that patches be thoroughly tested before deployment, or the next few weeks could have been really nasty.

  19. Wowee! We're falling behind! by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought all those studies said that Linux had way more security bugs than Microsoft! The last report had Microsoft at somewhere around 52 security bugs and Linux at several times that.

    If I have my math right:

      52
    -26
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      26 bugs left!

    Microsoft only has to fix them there 26 bugs until Windows is all perfect and flawless!

    *Does a happy dance!*

  20. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You win this thread.

    *waits for people to say how this is nothing like the OSX fixes*

  21. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by Darundal · · Score: 1

    That "Incremental Update" with Apple isn't just a bunch of bug fixes though. From 10.2 to 10.3 there are a significant number of changes to the functionality of the OS, as well as the obligatory bug fixes and other patches. Whether it is worth $129, well, probably not...Then again, I don't own a Mac, so I can't quite say for sure whether it's worth it or not.

  22. What are you doing about it? by technicalandsocial · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't think anyone feels that Windows is security hole free. I've not seen a security hole free OS. Does today's "news" not perhaps mean that Microsoft is spending more R&D on resolving this issues?

    1. Re:What are you doing about it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps I could introduce you to the concept of secure by default. Please take a look at products such as OpenBSD before accusing every OS as being riddled with holes.

    2. Re:What are you doing about it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OpenBSD is still riddled with holes, they just claim that those holes belong to things that aren't the OS. It's very easy to be very secure when you redefine the platform to shift the blame everywhere else.

    3. Re:What are you doing about it? by dcapel · · Score: 1

      I actually saw a completely secure OS once, it was OSS, too. The code was in assembly (so the compiler can't introduce bugs), but I think I can translate it into C for you:

      int main()
      {
            while (1)
            { /* Ignore all input, especially those damn users */
            }
      }

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    4. Re:What are you doing about it? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I don't know how you count security holes, but it looks to me like there's a DoS attack that's quite easy to pull off against that code...

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    5. Re:What are you doing about it? by sweede · · Score: 1

      ^^ Wins the thread.

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    6. Re:What are you doing about it? by technicalandsocial · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry you don't see a difference between "hole free" with "riddled with holes", there is one. I'm sad to inform the zealot in you that OpenBSD has, and will continue to have holes in the OS. And that is ignoring the fact that the only reason OpenBSD has such a track record for not very many exploitable holes, is because they don't consider any useful tools or applications as part of the base OS. Here's my challenge to you, install OpenBSD, and nothing else on it, and see how fun your computer experience is. If you want some entertainment as your computer experience is now severely limited, it might be a good time to research the social skills of the leader. Let me find an example from the last couple weeks: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-securit y/2006-October/004050.html and the reply: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-securit y/2006-October/004051.html
      It is my suggestion that instead of working on their security track record, perhaps the OpenBSD team should see the value in public relations/marketing. At least that is one thing I'm sure we can agree Microsoft has learned the value of.

    7. Re:What are you doing about it? by Homology · · Score: 1
      And that is ignoring the fact that the only reason OpenBSD has such a track record for not very many exploitable holes, is because they don't consider any useful tools or applications as part of the base OS.

      That is plain wrong, and very much so. OpenbSD is an Operating System, nut just a kernel with GNU userland tacked on.

      Here's my challenge to you, install OpenBSD, and nothing else on it, and see how fun your computer experience is.

      Why don't you try it yourself?

    8. Re:What are you doing about it? by technicalandsocial · · Score: 1
      And that is ignoring the fact that the only reason OpenBSD has such a track record for not very many exploitable holes, is because they don't consider any useful tools or applications as part of the base OS.
      That is plain wrong, and very much so. OpenbSD is an Operating System, nut just a kernel with GNU userland tacked on.
      I understand the difference between GNU/Linux and OpenBSD. At least GNU userland is advanced. Does OpenBSD base include Apache for example? This is something almost every UBO (Unix based OS) user installs. Of course once the user installs any useful application this guarantee for being "secure by default" goes out the window. At least you can use the FreeBSD ports system to install useful tools in OpenBSD.

      Here's my challenge to you, install OpenBSD, and nothing else on it, and see how fun your computer experience is.
      Why don't you try it yourself?
      I'm writing this from experience. A false sense of security, lack of a friendly UI as well as a lack of a friendly leader made my decision to not use OpenBSD anymore quite easy.
  23. That's No Medal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    Depends how you look at it. Technically since there was no IE7 in today's patches, IE7 is still pending.
    If they would deliver it, then it wouldn't be pending anymore.

    I know, I know, I deserve the friggin Pedant of the Year medal.
    Pendant, surely?
    1. Re:That's No Medal! by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pendant, surely?

      Ok I give you the medal.

  24. Yikes by BeeBeard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given Microsoft's history of only fixing security holes when real exploit code is known to exist, should we assume the worst?

  25. Windows Coagulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's good to see that new protein gel being tested so quickly.

  26. Micro$oft is teh suxxorz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOLZ!1!!one!!

  27. So... by brucifer · · Score: 1

    ...didn't slashdot just decide a couple of days ago that the security companies like Symantec and McAfee were whiners for complaining that MS was making it difficult for their products to work with Vista? Hopefully something like this will make people realize that you can't trust Microsoft to guard their own henhouse. If they were truly a company that was serious about security, the number of "security holes" would be decreasing, not increasing.

    Maybe we misread it when they said they were serious about security. Maybe the original message was "We are serious about security holes", but the word "holes" made some of the test audience giggle.

    1. Re:So... by jonesy16 · · Score: 1

      I've been out of college for a few years now but if I remember my what I learned with my 'C' in second quarter calculus (man that guy was boring), by fixing holes, you REDUCE the number of security holes and . . . therefore (sorry, throwing in some dedcutive reasoning from geometry class) make the product more secure, which could be seen as Microsoft taking security seriously.

      It does get tiring to see the "26 down, 1 billion to go" comments. Can't we just leave it at "Click your update button". Hell, I got a few emails from Ubuntu today about security updates, where's that slashdot headline? Every product has something that can be evolved/fixed/improved, even "hello world". Since I don't foresee that changing soon, we might as well get comfortable and even cozy with the idea of installing updates, be it one every couple of days in the linux world, every tuesday or whatever the nonesense is in the microsoft world, or every month/week/whenever in the mac world.

    2. Re:So... by brucifer · · Score: 1

      Your logic would hold true were Windows a consistant code base, but as you look at the overall number of issues from Windows for Workgroups up to Vista, there hasn't been an overall decrease in issues, but a steady rise. Take a look at the bigger picture, Microsoft is saying that with Vista they have made a much more secure operating system. So secure that they are locking out a lot of companies that know security much better than Microsoft. The same claims were made with XP and similar claims were made with NT. Granted during the NT days, we called security "stability" and NT was supposed to offer much more stability.

      What I'm saying is that they aren't writing software that is more stable and more secure, they're just continuing with the same "patch and pray" method that's been going on for years. If they're going to continue along this line, then we as users should be able to count on the security products we have counted on in the past to help bolster security.

      And thanks for the refresher course in "deductive reasoning", they've obviously improved it since I was in school. ;)

    3. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand your logic. You're suggesting that because more holes are being found, the code is less secure? The code had the same number of holes yesterday as the day before. Tomorrow it will have fewer holes because it will have been patched. It's not like they just added those 26 holes so that they'll have something to patch. Remember, all software has security holes in it. The more holes are found, the more secure it becomes. Just because Windows for Workgroups had few bugs that were patched doesn't mean that it had fewer bugs -- it just means that fewer of them were fixed, meaning that it most likely had more bugs overall. Of course, WfW was a much smaller amount of code than Vista, so really Vista probably has more bugs, but much fewer bugs per amount of code.

      And you think Microsoft is "locking out" "security" companies? If MS makes it easy to patch the kernel, the only people who are protected from rootkits are those who pay the "security" companies for protection. If MS makes it hard to patch the kernel, people who don't pay the "security" companies also get protection from rootkits. I have no sympathy for the "security" companies because the "security" software they sell is at least as intrusive as the malware it's intended to block.

      dom

    4. Re:So... by oddfox · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points for you...

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  28. 26 patched flaws isn't the story here by aliscool · · Score: 1

    The story is that only 26 were patched.

  29. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by Alcimedes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think a difference is that to the best of people's knowledge, the holes in Apple's OS weren't being exploited in the wild prior to the patch. Apple is fixing the problems before they're exploited, not a week or two after.

    Time will tell though.

  30. Thirty-seven!?! by everphilski · · Score: 1

    ... in a row?

    (I think the AC meant to say his girlfriend found thirty-seven as a reference to Dante Hick's girlfirend in "Clerks"

  31. Why not a recall?!? by FractalZone · · Score: 1

    The story is that only 26 were patched.

    If an automaker and its unhappy vict^H^H^H^Hcustomers keep finding major safety issues and design flaws in a line of cars, flaws that required fix after repair after parts replacement, all of which fail to correct the underlying problem(s), I think the manufacturer would be forced to recall the cars. Certainly lemon laws would apply in many states!

    How about a recall on Microsoft Windows XP? Microsoft could probably weasel its way into exchanging the clearly defective copies of XP for copies of Vista, which it can and does claim is better in every way. I doubt it. But that would let Microsoft postpone the bitter end, when it is forced to admit it can't deliver a good, stable, secure OS and has development teams bogged down in a morass consisting of their own icky code.

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    1. Re:Why not a recall?!? by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      If an automaker and its unhappy vict^H^H^H^Hcustomers keep finding major safety issues and design flaws in a line of cars, flaws that required fix after repair after parts replacement, all of which fail to correct the underlying problem(s), I think the manufacturer would be forced to recall the cars. Certainly lemon laws would apply in many states!

      So which OS are you thinking of that _wouldn't_ be classified as a 'lemon' ?

    2. Re:Why not a recall?!? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      So which OS are you thinking of that _wouldn't_ be classified as a 'lemon' ?

      Um, that'd have to be 'Apple'.

      Of course, it's much more traditional to compare Apples with oranges but hey, a citrus is a citrus, right?

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    3. Re:Why not a recall?!? by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Um, that'd have to be 'Apple'.

      Sorry, but OS X is patched regularly and frequently as well.

  32. They did it by distributing it with the OS by unity100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    and no factor more effective.

    maybe almost 70% of the internet users do not know what a "browser" is, and there are other browsers out there.

    This is because microsoft easily pushes its own browser as a "os feature".

    majority of casual computer users by then were, now the majority of the casual internet users, those who are not interested in doing something else than using mail, going to a few sites, chatting with some friends and playing some backgammon around the net, are not in a level, proficiency, or desirous to research and explore the intricacies of what they are using.

    They are just buying a computer, windows comes installed within, there are stuff there, and they use it.

    THIS was the way microsoft have villainishly monopolized the browser arena, and nothing more. Not security, not features, not the "mis-schedule" of netscape releases and nothing more. And certainly, definitely not the "far-sight" or "visionary genius" of bill gates and his memos.

    They used the power of market reach, to "sell" something to people who didnt know if any alternatives existed.

    1. Re:They did it by distributing it with the OS by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      and no factor more effective.

      Then why did the fastest period of Internet Explorer's marketshare growth occur with IE4, in the time period before and shortly after the release of Windows 98 ?

      In case your memory is hazy (or you weren't there), IE4 was only availble as a manual install prior to Windows 98, and the adoption rate of Windows 98 was very slow.

    2. Re:They did it by distributing it with the OS by unity100 · · Score: 1

      "fastest market share growth" means absolutely nothing to me.

      Your market share might be growing from 0.1% to 1% very rapidly, this is also a fast growth. from zero to something is always a fast growth come to think of it. and if you notice, the years 97-98 are the years when internet was still niche, people using it was not in numbers comparable to today, and noone would get surprised if most hardcore netscape users gave internet explorer a try then.

      its not the start, but what is after that matters.

    3. Re:They did it by distributing it with the OS by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      "fastest market share growth" means absolutely nothing to me.

      This does not mean it didn't happen.

      Your market share might be growing from 0.1% to 1% very rapidly, this is also a fast growth. from zero to something is always a fast growth come to think of it. and if you notice, the years 97-98 are the years when internet was still niche, people using it was not in numbers comparable to today, and noone would get surprised if most hardcore netscape users gave internet explorer a try then.

      Which wouldn't have been particularly relevant if they'd just dropped it and gone back to Navigator.

      But they didn't. IE (mainly on the back of IE4) went from ca. 10% marketshare to ca. 50% marketshare in the period roughly from the release of the IE4 public betas to about 6 months after the release of Windows 98. This happened because Netscape dropped the ball severely with Navigator 4, which sucked.

    4. Re:They did it by distributing it with the OS by unity100 · · Score: 1

      Again, this was in 1998. This was the time when internet was almost comprised of people who MADE choices about what they were gonna use.

      If netscape sucked and ie was good, they used ie. allright. and later when ie sucked and ff was good, they switched to ff.

      but the important thing is this "later" word. those who probably took ie from 10% to 50% have, with additions, been only able to comprise 10% of the ff market share today. rest 80% is ie, and those are people who dont know that they are actually using a browser, and thinks it as an os feature.

      as a result, 98 is of slightest importance. what matters is, how the ignorant masses were pushed to use something.

  33. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That "incremental update," as you ignorantly call it (nice nick, by the way), was a major version release with a whole new version of OS X, new features, and new technologies. It wasn't some minor service pack.

    And that massive update in September isn't so massive when you point out that it's the most we'll see all year. Meanwhile, Microsoft released an IE patch, then released a patch to fix the patch, then released a patch to fix THAT patch. And you wonder why people complain about Microsoft?

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  34. Bill and the Dike by edwardpickman · · Score: 1

    Why do I always get this picture of Bill Gates dressed like the little Dutch Boy?

  35. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course they charged for 10.3. It was an entire new release of the system. Oh, I get it, this is one of those M$ trolls where you ignore the hundreds of new features, new version of BSD subsystem (synced to FreeBSD 5), new technologies like Bindings and Expose, and new interfaces like the Finder, and so on, all in some lame attempt to portray it as not worth charging $129 for even though XP Pro still retails for $250 and is the same crap from six years ago. I bet you think new versions of OS X are the same as "service packs," right? Maybe there wasn't a peep of complaint because your initial judgement is flat-out wrong, but hey, go back over to the Channel9 forums and obsess over technology that's been out for five years in Apple products, won't you?

  36. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Uh, it's not. That's the most we'll see from Apple all year. The 26 from Microsoft just beats the previous Patch Tuesday record. Every friggin' month is more and more patches from Microsoft, including patches to fix PAST patches! It's been hundreds this year alone, while Apple's were all minor flaws in various third-party OSS.

    I forgot, you're super-hip and enlightened if you try to attack from the other side like that. The pro-MS contingent on Slashdot strikes again! Anything to distract from the hilarity that Vista isn't even out yet and is already seeing flaws. So much for "winning this thread." It's sad you had to log in as AC and reply supportively to your own comment. But hey, you poor Windows users are stuck with the ancient Win32 codebase of Vista and its 15% slower gaming (as stated by Microsoft). But wowee, the window borders are see-through! Thanks for that innovation, Microsoft.

    The story isn't that 26 were patched. It's that ONLY 26 were patched. Windows is a sinking Titanic of an operating system with an abortion of an interface that only blinded fanboys defend these days who think .NET is some amazing innovation when it's absolutely nothing more than a Microsoft rip-off of Java, right down to the syntax. Windows is so bad that its own developers call it overly complicated and want to just start over with a rewrite. And this is the OS they want you to spend $400 on and trust your data! Not to mention all that wonderful DRM hell.

    Do you get that? Microsoft fanbois FREAK OUT over charging $120 for a major OS release and yet happily accepting waiting six years to get no updates at all only to end up spending $400 on the "ultimate edition" of an OS X rip-off. Awesome.

    Windows--for playing videogames, like The Sims.
    Macs--for getting real work done.

  37. how many more? by Danathar · · Score: 1

    This makes me REALLY wonder how many more there are.....

  38. Somewhere... by rdoger6424 · · Score: 1

    Somewhere in a bar, an IT guy is betting on next patch tuesday's holes plugged

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  39. Title should read... by Shadyman · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft plugs a record 26 security holes; Other 26,000 security holes wanted for questioning.

  40. Re:Wowee! We're falling behind! by sdnoob · · Score: 1

    what would this...

    http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/

    look like for windows? ;)

  41. Re:Wowee! We're falling behind! by chembro84 · · Score: 1

    Insightful?

  42. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by sqlrob · · Score: 1

    Charges for incremental updates, like Windows 5.0 to Windows 5.1?

    The cost for that upgrade is about the same as a 5 pack of 10.3-10.4

  43. well? by the_last_rites · · Score: 1

    someone mind telling me how many of these. 26 patches were for stuff that had already been exploited? For all you know it was foresight on MS's part to patch these up right away. Other than the WebViewfolderIcon Activex Control and Windows XML parser, none of them seem to have been the wild for long. And dont forget only 6 'flaws' were labelled as critical(Note: I mentioned flaws not patches). BTW any word on the snafu that prevented us from gettin the updates for so long?

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    1. Re:well? by wizkid · · Score: 1


      Want to know if they're exploited? Look at your spam reports. Spam's increased 30-40% in the last month. It's been a good month for the spammer scum. The bot armies have been replenished.

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  44. Did anyone happen to notice ... by multisync · · Score: 1

    ... if they snuck ie 7 in with the "securithy fixes?"

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  45. Good job Microsoft by dave562 · · Score: 1
    [insert obligatory MS fanboy praise here]

    As a Microsoft customer, I'm glad to see that they are releasing a whole slew of patches. As strange as it seems, I'm actually glad and feel MORE secure that they're releasing a lot of them. It gives the impression (however naive it may be) that they really are getting serious about finding bugs and patching holes. I know it's fun to bash on Microsoft but seriously, they aren't going through anything all that different than what the *nix world when through in the late 80s and early 90s. When a company has the most widely used network operating system in the world, and there are people storing sensitive and lucrative data on that system, you have to expect that people are going to be looking to actively exploit it. Sure, home machines get pwnt all the time. However I have yet to see properly patched and firewalled file server owned. With all of the gateway AV, client side AV, IDS' and IE alternatives out there these days, you have to be a pretty incompetent idiot to have your box owned.

    For what it's worth, my home XP box downloaded 7 of the possible 26 patches. That's 19 patches that I didn't even need. Not too bad. And much better than having download the updated ftpd, or httpd, or [insert exploited daemon here] source and manually compile it.

    1. Re:Good job Microsoft by Jussi+K.+Kojootti · · Score: 1
      For what it's worth, my home XP box downloaded 7 of the possible 26 patches. That's 19 patches that I didn't even need. Not too bad. And much better than having download the updated ftpd, or httpd, or [insert exploited daemon here] source and manually compile it.


      I get the feeling that was supposed to be a jab at linux. It's a lousy one. A typical desktop linux install does not have httpd or ftpd installed and things most definitely aren't compiled from source -- in fact update systems in linux are in some aspects superior as they take care of all software on the machine.

      Be proud of your tools of choice, if that's important to you. Don't make asinine comments about things you don't know about. (and that goes for all sides in this flamefest)
    2. Re:Good job Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't the rest of your post redundant after "[insert obligatory MS fanboy praise here]"?

      Nice attempt at a swipe the Linux crowd too. I mean I often have to manually download and compile my security fixes for Ubuntu. Oh wait! My mistake! I don't.

    3. Re:Good job Microsoft by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      I have a couple of Windows boxes myself, but your post still makes me wonder how much MS pays you to post on Slashdot. Does it pay the rent? Seriously, I could use some extra cash for Christmas. Please email me with contact info.

    4. Re:Good job Microsoft by RKBA · · Score: 1

      I guess I'll never know if any of those patches apply to Windows 2000, because although I have a perfectly legitimate copy, I refuse to submit my computer to Micro$oft's intrusive scanning. It's only a matter of time before I switch to Linux completely, but I just haven't decided on which flavor of Linux/BSD to stick with yet.

    5. Re:Good job Microsoft by dave562 · · Score: 1
      I get the feeling that was supposed to be a jab at linux. It's a lousy one. A typical desktop linux install does not have httpd or ftpd installed and things most definitely aren't compiled from source -- in fact update systems in linux are in some aspects superior as they take care of all software on the machine. Don't make asinine comments about things you don't know about.

      It wasn't so much a swipe or jab at Linux so much as it was a statement to reenforce my position that the *nix world had similar security problems in the early 90s. And back when those exploits were out, yes, you did have to recompile the fixes from source. That may not be the case anymore, and it certainly isn't the case with MS software either.

      For the record, my first introduction to Linux was with Slackware in 1994. I was 16 and for the most part a warez kid, so I didn't waste too much time with it. The SLIP software for Windows 3.1 worked just as well for getting on the Internet and FTPing warez as the Linux client did. I went to LA 2600 back in the day. I've shot the shit with Aleph One, Mr. Upsetter, Gatsby and a bunch of other guys. Just because I sling warez for the evil empire for a living doesn't mean my head is completely up my ass.

  46. If M$ get security as right as IE by trojjan · · Score: 0

    It took them some time to get it right, but eventually IE took over.
    You mean M$ is going to make security in windows as good as they made their browser. Now this is what scares the shit out of me. Until now M$'s security was well almost non existant, now its going to be a big bloated mess which will be forced on you.

  47. WooHoo! by zish · · Score: 0

    Here's to 26 more patches to fix the 26 patches that plugged 26 security holes to open up 26 more! Yippee!
    But next month there'll be 27 patches, 26 of which close newly-created security holes, and 1 recently discovered hole. But we're not going to hear about the new holes until the next press release/security patch announcement. Forget about being proactive, or finding work-arounds. Just leave those holes open, and wait for your software company to spoon-feed you the latest "security release", so that you're "more secure".
    Open-source may consist of a bunch of cretins, but at least most project have some semblance of a community. It's like "Hey Jimbo, I just found a hole in TheBucket 2.0!" "Hot Damn, Billy Ray! Let me check wit' th' naybors to see if anyone's got sum solder, or duct tape, or sumpin' while we wait 'ntill Ma' gits a new vershun."

    Well, that was a bit of a tirade. Just my 26 cents and 1 peso.

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  48. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

    Apple releases an incremental update to OS X 10.2 to 10.3 and charge you for it ($129.00), and when they release a MASSIVE update in September, not a peep of complaints...

    They re-did the entire PPC emulation layer (or at least heavily modified it). On my Mac Pro (Intel) it was 200+ MB, but my iBook ran to about 30ish MB. So it's pretty clear that about 160-180 MBs of that update was a Rosetta overhaul for speed and scientific apps. That wasn't 200 MBs of security updates, that was like 30 MBs of security updates.

  49. Good job, Microsoft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad you broke the patching mechanism in the process!

  50. Re:Holes ... nyet nyet... by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    that's one BIG FRAKKIN' cabbage patch, komrade.... big ole FRAKKIN' pile of spaghetti hairdo. With all the FRAKKIN' chairs that must be flying around and skulls being cracked in board rooms, I suppose ms is investing heavily in the:

    Protein Gel Quickly Stops Bleeding
    http://science.slashdot.org/science/06/10/10/20242 28.shtml

    research....

    You can't FRAKIN' KILL ms employees (but, you CAN frak and frazzle them up a bit); you resu-frakin-rrect them... (gotta find and destroy that FRAKKIN' ms resurrection ship hiding somewhere...)

    FRAK!

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  51. The only vista on my OS horizon: Ubuntu by FractalZone · · Score: 1

    "So which OS are you thinking of that _wouldn't_ be classified as a 'lemon' ?"

    Almost any OS that is free... After all, it is hard to argue that Ubuntu (for example), should be flawless when it costs nothing and is in fact shipped out at someone else's expense if one asks for a few sets of the install discs. I run Ubuntu and although I've used Red Hat back when it (as opposed to Fedora) was free, I never really got into Linux. Ubuntu I am working to learn well enough that I never have to infect any of my own systems with the buggy bloatware known as Windows again, at least not at my expense.

    The good thing about the news surrounding the impending spread of Vista is that it isn't likely to happen as fast as Microsoft wants or would have the general public believe. Why waste money on a bigger, slower, pile of crapware from Microsoft when it offers nothing substantial in the way of practical improvements over the mess that is XP? What I'm reading these days is that the Vista release is being given the yawn treatment by many IT professionals.

    As far as I can tell, since I don't care about cutesy but useless special effects (read: the Aero interface), there is nothing I want to do with an MS OS that XP doesn't do about as well as Vista is likely to, with much less risk of new bugs and security holes. The risk to my wallet is virtually nil with Ubuntu. There are other free Linuxes available and there is much better and affordable support for them than there is from Microsoft for Windows.

    Also, XP has been given the acid test for a few years now and a lot of serious problems with it have been corrected to a large degree with the numerous patches and service packs MS has deigned to release for it. In fact, I'm worried that security will be much worse on Vista than it is on XP since 3rd party security vendors are being prevented by Microsoft from hooking in at the level their code needs to run at to be most effective. I don't trust Microsoft to handle security issues. It has a pathetic track record. The programmers at MS clearly don't understand their own code.

    My copies of Ubuntu were delivered to me upon request, cost me nothing, installed and are updated easily, and work quite well. I run OpenOffice and use a lot of GNU programs as well as other FOSS.

    The only vista I see on my OS horizon is Ubuntu.

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    1. Re:The only vista on my OS horizon: Ubuntu by drsmithy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Almost any OS that is free... After all, it is hard to argue that Ubuntu (for example), should be flawless when it costs nothing and is in fact shipped out at someone else's expense if one asks for a few sets of the install discs.

      So if it's free it can't suck ?

      How about all those versions of Linux that *aren't* free ?

      Why waste money on a bigger, slower, pile of crapware from Microsoft when it offers nothing substantial in the way of practical improvements over the mess that is XP?

      It offers masses of "substantial, practical improvements". The important question people need to ask is if any of those are important enough to them to upgrade.

      What I'm reading these days is that the Vista release is being given the yawn treatment by many IT professionals.

      IT professionals are waiting for a) the server-side complement to Vista and b) the early rounds of bugs to be shaken out.

      In fact, I'm worried that security will be much worse on Vista than it is on XP since 3rd party security vendors are being prevented by Microsoft from hooking in at the level their code needs to run at to be most effective. I don't trust Microsoft to handle security issues. It has a pathetic track record. The programmers at MS clearly don't understand their own code.

      Sounds to me like you're buying into the standard anti-Windows and anti-Microsoft FUD.

  52. Coincidence that SP1 is no longer supported? by dink353 · · Score: 0

    And with SP1 no longer supported, with all these fixes (granted, some are Office) people will feel even more forced to use SP2.. yey for Microsnot.

  53. My side note by penix1 · · Score: 1

    It doesn't just happen when I send but when I receive one. It is a pain to tell someone they have to rename a file's extension simply to receive it. Far easier to use a web based email address for that stuff. Ever try to explain to a secretary how to change the extension of a file when Microsoft's Windows Explorer defaults to hiding the extension?

    B.

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  54. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by Tim+C · · Score: 1

    That "incremental update," as you ignorantly call it (nice nick, by the way), was a major version release with a whole new version of OS X

    If it was a major version release, it would've been 11. Going from 10.x to 10.y is by definition a point release, not a major release.

    Now to be fair, MS do the same thing - Win2k is NT 5.0, XP is NT 5.1. That doesn't change the fact that if Apple want me to think that 10.3 is "a major version release" they should name it as such.

  55. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by Anonymous+MadCoe · · Score: 1

    Yeah but you're saying something that could be seen as favourable for MS en unfavourable for Apple.

    So someone has to go and call you ignorant, and most of the time you get modded down....

    Too bad tho

  56. DUPE! by tygerstripes · · Score: 1

    They already announced that they were dropping SP1...

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  57. Zomg? CD Keys? by RulerOf · · Score: 0

    I use my car every day. It's an excellent car. Ten years old, low miles, runs like a dream. I take care of it. I change the oil, I lube the joints, etc. The engine under the hood was engineered by the best at General Motors, and its quality is obvious every time I start the vehicle. It performs well, it gets good mileage, and it works on all the roads in the country. I've got a couple gripes about the design, and the anti theft system is a joke, and wiring the stereo was a bitch, but in the end, I paid $5,000 for that vehicle. It was worth every penny.

    I use Windows XP every day. It's an excellent operating system. Five years old, two service packs, runs like a dream. I take care of my computer. I defrag the hard drive, I make backups, I vacuum out the dust. The kernel was engineered by the best at Microsoft, the OS is silky smooth and it's obvious every time I boot my computer. It's extremely stable, and boasts uptimes that can turn heads. My games run well and my web browsing is rather snappy. I've got a couple gripes about the interface, but in the end, I paid $100 for that operating system. It was worth every penny.

    No one should ever bitch about anti-piracy mechanisms in an operating system. If you don't steal it, they don't bother you.

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  58. most number of patches by bytesex · · Score: 1

    Is that the most quality of writing ?

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  60. More flaws? by CrossChris · · Score: 0, Redundant

    What about the 1735265 other Windows flaws that remain unpatched?

  61. MS admitted the power of integration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when they pulled IE for Mac claiming that they could not compete with a browser that came with the operating system.

    Hey, you could have let the users download it...

  62. Funny that you mention that by rbarreira · · Score: 1

    Funny that you mention that, since actually Microsoft is helping Firefox developers with Vista.

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    1. Re:Funny that you mention that by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Microsoft 'helping' FireFox developers. Recent disagreements between Debian and FF.

      Hm...

  63. Re:Zomg? CD Keys? by oddfox · · Score: 1

    Wow, a piece of software (In this case the WGA servers) had a glitch, I am totally amazed. When are we going to finally get software that never ever screws up and affects a large amount of people and companies? This never happens with F/OSS! There are plenty of bugs that are hunted and eliminated on a daily basis in many projects. I'm not saying Linux or F/OSS sucks, because quite frankly I'm eagerly awaiting my next purchase of a hard drive so I can get my Gentoo installed again (Maybe even take a look at the latest Slackware since it's been a while, but probably Gentoo). I'm just saying you can't expect software to be perfect. In Microsoft's case though, if they don't patch bugs people bitch. If they do patch bugs people bitch even more. Bart Simpson said it best, " Well... You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.".

    As an aside, people running rolling distributions like Gentoo that don't have as tight a security/stability screening process that, say, Debian does, are at even greater risk than most other Linux users of royally screwing their computer if they end up getting bit by a nasty bug in some random piece of software. I always tell people looking for filesystem choice advice, for example, to avoid finding their answers in something like the Gentoo Forums (Great for many other things though), since it's pretty easy to FUBAR things when you think you're a hotshot putting all your critical data on bleeding edge code, then calling a project crap because you got cut.

    By and large, though, if you don't steal, the measures don't bother you. And if you do steal, the measures don't bother you, unless you are noobcake.

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  64. Not for long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to Washingtonpost.com's Security Fix blog, this is the most number of patches ever released by Redmond outside of a Windows service pack.

    Well, there's a record that won't stand long!

  65. You're assuming by remmelt · · Score: 1
    Flash-forward to a couple of years ago, when Bill sent out yet another all-hands memo, pointing the company in the direction of security. At first, we all laughed. But now it's becoming more and more obvious that they're taking security every bit as seriously as they once took the Internet. They are aiming to be the top of the heap in security, and they've got drive, ambition and aggression.


    You are assuming that they got the internet "right" this time. IE 4 and 5 were good, from a user's point of view, IE 6 was OK for a while but then that other company came out with something that was so usable, so secure, so extendable, friendly...
    By analogy, you're saying they're going to give it a good long coding session, get that security on the line, get it out there, spread the news that Vista is the securest windows to date (no kidding, this is news?) and then let it slide into oblivion just as they did with IE. How long has 6 been out now? When will 7 come out? Will it take them as long to update any security they come up with? So, code it, then sit back and rake it in.

    So yes, if you were saying that, I totally agree with you.
  66. what really happened to Netscape by rs232 · · Score: 3, Informative

    "I remember when Windows 95 came out, with its weak, obviously-an-afterthought "web browser" (IE 3.0)", ronkronk

    It wasn't an afterthought it was a renamed Spyglass browser which they subsequently 'gave away' with Windows so as they wouldn't have to pay royaltees. After failing to buyout Netscape and get an exclusive deal from NCSA they settled with Spyglass.

    "It took them some time to get it right, but eventually IE took over", ronkronk

    IE took over by billg strong arming the OEMs to take Netscape off the desktop. Can't you remember what the MS AOL court case was all about.

    "AOL's March 12 and October 28, 1996 agreements with Microsoft also guaranteed that, for all practical purposes, Internet Explorer would be AOL's browser of choice"

    "Compaq was the only one to fully commit itself to Microsoft's terms for distributing and promoting Internet Explorer to the exclusion of Navigator"

    "now it's becoming more and more obvious that they're taking security every bit as seriously as they once took the Internet", ronkronk

    Like as an after thought.

    "within a few years, we're going to see some really damn secure stuff coming out of Microsoft", ronkronk

    I've heard exactly the same kind of thing when NT came out.

    "In the meantime, Firefox exploits are cropping up at a seemingly greater pace. This worries me. It looks like a repeat of 1997, when Netscape lost huge amounts of ground to IE by producing a product that wasn't as good as the competition.", ronkronk

    Netcape was never inferior to IE. As this test proves. The MS stratagy at the time was to make it a jolting experience for the enduser. Why are you trolling slashdot with patently false pro-MS propaganda.

    "We will bind the (Windows) shell to the Internet Explorer, so that running any other browser is a jolting experience" .

    Firefox running on a more secure OS as standard user are not as serious as bugs in IE running on WinVista. You see as MS embedded the browser directly into the OS so as it couldn't be removed.

    Secondly Netscape lost ground because of backroom shenagenans by billg an Co. After threatening to withold technical information, they offered to carve up the market between them or else they would cut off Netscapes oxygen supply.

    `The delay in turn forced Netscape to postpone the release of its Windows 95 browser until substantially after the release of Windows 95 (and Internet Explorer) in August 1995. As a result, Netscape was excluded from most of the holiday selling season.'

    "Microsoft representative J. Allard had told Barksdale that the way in which the two companies concluded the meeting would determine whether Netscape received the RNA API immediately or in three months.'"

    `After Netscape refused Microsoft's offer to divide the browser market, Microsoft embarked on a predatory campaign to eliminate the browser threat'

    `In subsequent meetings in the Fall of 1995, Microsoft explained to Intel that its strategy would be to kill Netscape and control Internet standards'

    `in exchange for steering clear of the Windows browser segment Netscape would be made a preferred Microsoft partner'

    "I'll be telling clients to go with Microsoft products, because they're more secure than F/OSS. And I don't want to see that happen.", ronkronk

    I'm really an Open Source advocate except for bla, bla, bla

    http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f2600/2613-1.htm
    http://www.theregister.co.u

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    1. Re:what really happened to Netscape by LocoMan · · Score: 1

      One thing I do disagree with you... IE5 when it came out was better than the version of netscape out at that time, at least in my experience. It felt a lot slower (not sure about how faster/slower it loaded the websites, but the program itself felt a lot slower and heavier than IE5) and it crashed much more frequently too. I remember I had a net cafe back when IE5 came out, and ISPs gave CDs with netscape on them to new costumers, and I had people bringing their computers for me to install it (and I kept a downloaded version for the more computer savvy people that just wanted to install it themselves).

    2. Re:what really happened to Netscape by rs232 · · Score: 1

      "One thing I do disagree with you... IE5 when it came out was better than the version of netscape out at that time, at least in my experience. It felt a lot slower", LocoMan

      How can IE be better if Netscape don't have access to the API. I'm not sure if you actually read, but here are the relevent quotes, again.

      "Test results showed that Communicator 4.6 beats IE 5.0 in browsing speed over a modem connection"

      "The delay in turn forced Netscape to postpone the release of its Windows 95 browser"

      "I remember I had a net cafe back when IE5 came out"

      Must have been one of the first, what was the name of it?

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  67. Re:Holes ... nyet nyet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on man, don't be stingy, share those drugs.

  68. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's mainly because nobody is going to bother wasting the time exploiting something that only 3.8% of people actually use.

  69. How do you patch a fully patched system? by frdmfghtr · · Score: 1
    Also of note, six of today's updates apply to fully patched Windows XP systems, and two of the flaws are actually present in Windows Vista.


    I'll bite...

    If a system is "fully patched," how do you apply an update? Doesn't the need for an update require that a system is, by definition, not fully patched?
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    1. Re:How do you patch a fully patched system? by ohearn · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's just my definition, but a lot of people seem to share it with me. If it fixes something that is broken, I call it a patch. If it changes or adds features for the user to improve the product (not from a bug fix point of view) then I call it an update. I'll admit that MS seems to not keep that distinction very well.

  70. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by JLennox · · Score: 1
    Meanwhile, Microsoft released an IE patch, then released a patch to fix the patch, then released a patch to fix THAT patch. And you wonder why people complain about Microsoft?

    I'd like to see you cite enough instances of a patch's patch needing a patch to believe that any of yesterdays will under go this.

  71. Microsoft's Numerous, Humongous Security Holes by FractalZone · · Score: 1

    ...In other news, Microsoft plans to patch the 17 holes created by these patches sometime by the end of the month.

    The end of which month? That does sound like an evasive Ballmerism, after all.

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  72. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1
    The pro-MS contingent on Slashdot strikes again!
    Looked to me like someone trying to bring up all sides to a discussion rather than a "me too!". I know what I think, I'm here to hear what others think. That includes pro-MS "fanbois" and pro-Apple "fanbois" (you). It wasn't a personal attack until you started name-calling.

    So much for "winning this thread." It's sad...
    Yes, it is. You win. Here's a cookie.
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  73. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by terrible76 · · Score: 1
    I support both Mac and PC systems. Run PC servers... blah blah blah. I spend more time fixing the PC issues then the Mac issues because there are less critical security issues in general on the Mac. There are many reasons for this but one important thing is that Mac OS is built more module then Windows. Internet Explorer engine is used inside the OS and other applications, so when there is a bug for one program that could affect a bunch of other programs on Windows. The whole DLL - driver based system that Windows has is clunky and harder to update because it's not as module as a Unix based system.

    When it comes to secuirty it isn't how many patches a company released, it's more importantly is the product more secure and how long it takes to push out the critical patches. And since MS has not been moving quickly on this, it looks like Apple is getting a little riper.

  74. Here's why! by sqwishy · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Microsoft went to a hacker convention a little while back to find out what they had to fix.
    http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_on line/5413792.stm

  75. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1
    If it was a major version release, it would've been 11. Going from 10.x to 10.y is by definition a point release, not a major release.


    Wrong. A major version update includes a major point release.

    That doesn't change the fact that if Apple want me to think that 10.3 is "a major version release" they should name it as such.


    So all it will take to make you think that is bumping a number? Simply examining the changes yourself isn't enough? Take a visit to Arstechnica and read Siracusa's reviews sometime.
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  76. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by Khammurabi · · Score: 1
    Microsoft has bugs, people complain.

    Microsoft fixes the bugs, people complain.
    Ballmer throws a chair, people cheer!
  77. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the most concise and eloquent explanation I've seen.

  78. Yay by Monsuco · · Score: 1

    Now all we need to worry about is the newest vulnurabilities.

  79. Yes, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and that works for pretty much any application that uses the standard Open dialog.

  80. OSX is gets Security Updates frequently too by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 1

    As was pointed out above, OSX is regularly patched with "Security Updates", and last month's Security Update fixed 24 holes and was 200MB in size. Not much different than the 26 holes that MS is patching this month (except the MS patch is much smaller, and included patches for Office).
    In 2005 OSX received security patches nearly every month (there were two months it didn't , but there were two other months that had 2 security updates, so it evens out). OSX security updates for 2006 haven't been as frequent, but there have been months with multiple Security Updates:
    See Apple Security Updates

    Why not a "recall" for OSX?

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  81. Re:Apple's last patch fixed 24 and was over 200 MB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hundreds of patches? oh wait your counting both OS and Office (application patches)

    the OS: new XP SP2 install, according to windows update: 79 patches. SP2 was not released this year. And the CD I am using is just slipstreamed with XP sp2 no other updates. No hundreds of patches there. And SP2 was released what was it two years ago now? I am not counting MS driver updates ( I trust the maker of the hardware over MS) but I am installing all the critical and 'you should updates these too' patches.

    Office upadates are a non issue for me (I don't use MS Office) so I cannot speak on the number of MS Office patches. I reinstalled the OS due to a hard drive failing.

    if you need MS office, and MS office is full of holes maybe MS office is not what you should be getting away from.

  82. Re:Wowee! We're falling behind! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That report is about bugs, not necessarily security issues. But I agree -- the Vista list, were it made available, would undoubtedly be much longer.

  83. Security Issues With Windows... by KevinSmith1234 · · Score: 1

    I'm shocked?

  84. I noticed that it patched Office 2007 B2RC1? by FixinDixon · · Score: 1

    On my pc I have removed office 2003 and replaced it with 2007 release candide 1--yet at least two office 2003 patches were successfully installed, according to the MS dialogue? I saw no mention of vulnerabilities in the beta suite, yet it seems it was patched on the sly.

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