but about 6 months ago I installed Apache on Win2K.
While I am glad that set up was so simple, I can't help but wonder...Could running Apache ona windows machine be hazardous in a security/reputation sense (honestly I am not trolling) You put a secure web server on an insecure OS While only the web server is exposed to the net, the OS is still the same security flaw facing the corp. internals. A hack job (inside) to a Windows machine running Apache would probably make www.microsoft.com in BIG letters. OPEN SOURCE WEB SERVER causes Windows 2K to be exploited. Microsoft pundits would not even care that it was the OS that was exploited and not the web server. I am usually leary of putting good tools on Windows because of what Windows might do to them.
until it's as easy to configure and add onto as IIS it will continue to be a battle with Microsoft.
The reason IIS is so easy to install is that it simply assumes all services should be on. Duh. That right there is a good 40% of it's security problems. The other 60 being the bad code rushed out the door by sales and marketing deadlines (I really doubt that even MS engineers want there products THAT insecure). Apache takes time to set up because you enable Apache to do your bidding, you must know what you want. No administrator honestly cares if the server has to be planned out, that is not a bother. The end users, home users and neophytes are the ones requiring ease of install. Already I hear my MIS director tell me constantly "Other than as a web server Linux does not belong in the corporate space" I wish I could convince him otherwise (MS does not belong) but it was APACHE that convinced hom that MS sucks
(well that and my RH machine running Nessus against both servers)
:) His site is the shit. Always has all the latest-breaking headlines from lots of different news sites.
That's for sure! His site is shit. They have the latest breaking headlines BECAUSE they do not care who or what their source is. If you called Drudge up on the phone and told them Osama Bin Hidin was found in Pakistan and is now aboard the USS Baatan...it would make the headlines on Sludgereport, they would take it down after a while. But they do that nonstop. That is not journalism. Journalists actually care about their integrity (though it may oft seem they don't). They make a concerted effort to be able to back up what they say with facts...Sludge does none of this. BTW, the ticker tapes on the CNN channel are controlled by interns who are supposed to "Ensure CNN is the first to break a story" If you watch, often times Drudges misinfo gets put on the ticker-tapes.
I would venture a practical use of this phenomenon to be in detonating explosives. A blasting cap with a couple different sensors with microcode instructions explaining what situations to explode in. Very useful. Make the inputs for the sensors standard and then you could pick from a whole variety and use the same set up. Very little training there. An artificially intelligent landmine with RF detection, IR whatever you want.
This could lead to companies producing two seperate lines of CDs. 'Broken' versus normal. Artists would have to decide if they wanted to make a broken cd and consumers would then decide if they wanted a broken CD. Sales differences might cause artists to make REAL CDs.
This bothers me far more than the "poll fixing" Do people realize that this kind of information is leaking all over the net? Is there a way to disable this "feature"?
Currently the court system is truly straining and something definitely needs to be done to ease the burden. Of course this could also backfire leaving a lot of openings about mistrials etc....(I am guessing, IANAL) I would think they should classify court cases by impact:
Low level...tried online
medium level...can be tried online if both paties consent
High level....only in person
This seems to me (I am a 30% Windows user 70% Linux user) te be the single stupidest approach for either system.
You could well be right about that. However, I am hoping that the release of this and the publicity Michael Robertson will get for it will be bring attention to the fact that stuff like this can be done. Think about this: Wine (guessing) could not afford the amount of advertising affect that this simple phrase could give them (hypothetical from Lindows release page) "Runs office 25% better than Wine" People will say "I am not paying 100$ for this...what is Wine" Boom good advertising right there. I think emulators will be a rogramming fad for a while.
These Lintel guys are opportunists who are not interested in improving Linux or giving back to the community that wrote 99.99% of what they're about to sell.
These rants somewhat piss me off, but not overly so. These people can do what they choose within the confines of the GPL. Because you hate MS does not mean that no one should use a proprietary licensing scheme. Proprietary (some)licenses in my mind will do more for linux than just everything being open. Huh?!? (I said it for you)
If I make a product and offer its source code and it is buggy. You can rewrite it as a stable product, giving me proper credit etc...however if my bugy release is proprietary (maybe releasing some functions to open source) You will be forced to come up with another way to do it. Thus the user receives CHOICE, which is what this is all about. Proprietary has its place in software development as do business models in corporations.
One thing I think would be real fun to have on my network is Samba file servers and domain controllers with NT playing only specialized roles. The average user could be running a product such as Lindows for their Office apps etc... Many users on my network would be fine with RH7.2 and Sun SO6 with Ximians Evolution for Mail and calendars. I could make do with Lindows if it could run the NT Administration tools for my NT boxes. Mickey$oft can be phased out.
As far as another MS upgrade rendering it obsolete. I think once a good user base is established on the alternative office products, further development will pick up pace greatly. If all goes well in five years people will be looking at the box for MS office and seeing if it lists Lindows and Linux compatibility, then they will set it down and look at the OTHER CHOICES on the shelf.
I found it highly amusing that yet another Microsoft "feature" recklessly ignoring users' privacy and security has turned around and bit them in the ass.
Damn, I was going to say that. Screw it I will any way.
I can just see it now. Grad students will be forced to sign non-compete documents. Just imagine. Some poor schmuck finishes his thesis after 6 years of slaving away, publishes a paper in his area of expertise, and is sued by university for breach of contract because he collaborated with someone from a competing university.
Boy did you hit the nail on the head! Already grad students contend with Lazy professors (not always) plastering their own names on publications which were the result of the students work. I can see this now. Here is your degree in Computer Science, the work you did here will revolutionize TCP/IP forever...oh and don't go modifying your code or upgrading as that would be a violation of our patents and intellectual property rights.
(The machine would start booting, then say "Active directory could not start", then reboot... even if you tried booting into "safe mode", or "command prompt only".. there was one option to allow you to boot without Active Directory, but if you did that, there was no way to log into the machine!)
That's a good point regarding Win2K networks. I was only referring to the desktop(Win2K Pro) as that was where the discussion was centered. However, once you employ the active directory on your W2K network the Win Professional machine is just as vulnerable to all these flaky network mods.
My ideal (if it exists) Windows network would be NT4 servers with Win2K Pro on the desks.
Linux zealots are pissed because with the release of Win2K, MS actually has a stable, robust OS (I've heard XP is even better, I haven't taken that plunge yet).
First, I have never heard any of my friends says "You know, that Win 2K with its damn stability really pisses me off" Second, XP is really wonky I agree that Win 2K is very stable...I begged to use win2k instead of other M$ dribble & drool (oops, I meant point and click)OSes. However, M$ created XP which was more in line with their goals (99% downtime ?) and they marketed the hell out of it and so guess what...
I also agree that this not the way to steal the desktop space. The most this will do is maybe help a few dual booters to settle on an OS, but I doubt it because most of us figure out emulators (or in my case realize that photoshop licks the Gimps *$$ and thus Windows is not worth it). Those screenshots look slick, imagine if those people contributed to Gnome or KDE or some other project (maybe Koffice).
In summary, I am glad that they have so much latitude of choice...that is what puts Linux UP THERE in my book. The fact that they can put together a Linux distro and have it run things like IE and Outlook.
Cheers
I liked that someone encrypted their sig...
Re:This sounds like a fricking joke.
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I hate to sound like a puny/pathetic wimp but...If I read in the paper that Bill Gates and M$ corporation were suing me and also read that he wanted to settle voluntarily out of court. I would be volunteering by ALL available means to stay out of his court (even ifthey are not bought, the playing field could NOT be level). I think the letter sounded like a very professional way of saying what one/.er summarized it as We will keep doing what we are doing until the court tells us to stop.
Have a nice day
I wish them well with their... whatever it is that their goals are.
I think that putting a patent on reading may be a bit extreme;-P However, there are other good 'moderate' things for you to patent. Hows about:
1.Typing
2.Scroll Boxes
3. tags
These patents could make you a fortune. Hint keep reading free and people like me can't help but type something in response. All our cash are belong to you!!!
I am torn as to wether or not to put stock in this. Every page lists the parts to buy then offers links to buy them. It looks a little slanted on the choices there. Additionally, I would think that tweakniks (or speedfreeaks, whatever you call them) would not put so much FLASH on their page. My poor Windows box (I am at work) kept wanting to get this flash 5.0, I convinced it that we could live without.
Other than the last complaint this seems a very noteworthy resource at least and I thank you for pointing it out.
I just said (for at least the 3rd time now) that the reason for Microsoft's success was H-A-R-D-W-A-R-E, and had not much to do with software or marketing or whatever at all.
Well, that is an interesting point of view and is probably partially true. However the post you attacked above was recognizing only the value of marketing (ie I was not saying why they are a giant success) I was disputing the claim of Apples marketing being in some way superior (great ads with no audience==poor marketing) That was my point. H-A-R-D-W-A-R-E was most definitely a part of that, but no not ANY company could have made a go of it with IBMs blessing.
Microsoft marketing is good, but it's not the reason for their success. For example Apple has and always had better marketing.
By better marketing are you perhaps meaning that you like Apples ads more than Microsofts? Marketing has more to do with quantity and recognition than quality. When is the last time you saw an Apple ad? I can not remember, but this morning thumbing through Linux Magazine I saw a two page M$ ad. Want more proof? Where do you want to go? (That's recognition there) Apple seems to me to try to coattail on other successful advertisement. When I see the big red X on OS X ads I think of the X Windowing system (not a good thing on Macs part). I have never mistaken an M$ ad for anything else. Oh yeah, and the little card I have in my pocket is another good marketing move for M$ (I paid real money to be an MC$E in hindsight I paid them to let me advertise and promote WINNT).
Just a word of warning about some very accredited programs which boast a fast track. I personally enrolled in one at the UOP online (which is accredited). They were easy to get in, quick to finance etc... Well, the classes are 4-5 weeks in length I took three before leaving the program. The average text book did not arrive until two weeks into the class (the classes were well written and relevant to the field in thier defense) two weeks into a four week class is a long time to be bookless. The Universitys administration said that I needed to find a way around the program myself as the books are only available on an exclusive deal, it was difficult. I dropped the university due to their administrative apathy towards my problems. They refunded nearly all the money to my lenders meaning I owed them money. They sent me a note on 11/28/01 explaining that I owed 1000 dollars by 11/24/01 or it would go to collections. So, theres my "not-a-plug" for UOP online.
And there are just as many, if not more people who have to put up with decisions motivated by office politics instead of technical knowledge. Or do you perhaps live in a fantasyland where management actually knows what they're talking about?
I work at a place where the view seems to be "If linux was worthwhile, they would have commercials and more marketing. I know the feeling of the above, to have someone who really doesn't know what an OS is or what it does tell you why Windows is superior and then ask in the same breath if you can reinstall the printers on his XP machine because they all dissappeared.
I am proud to work, proud of the stuff I do but I lament that all my servers are NT and Unixware.
Slashdot Mirror
but about 6 months ago I installed Apache on Win2K.
:-)
While I am glad that set up was so simple, I can't help but wonder...Could running Apache ona windows machine be hazardous in a security/reputation sense (honestly I am not trolling) You put a secure web server on an insecure OS While only the web server is exposed to the net, the OS is still the same security flaw facing the corp. internals. A hack job (inside) to a Windows machine running Apache would probably make www.microsoft.com in BIG letters. OPEN SOURCE WEB SERVER causes Windows 2K to be exploited. Microsoft pundits would not even care that it was the OS that was exploited and not the web server. I am usually leary of putting good tools on Windows because of what Windows might do to them.
As an MCSE...I like making these posts
until it's as easy to configure and add onto as IIS it will continue to be a battle with Microsoft.
The reason IIS is so easy to install is that it simply assumes all services should be on. Duh. That right there is a good 40% of it's security problems. The other 60 being the bad code rushed out the door by sales and marketing deadlines (I really doubt that even MS engineers want there products THAT insecure). Apache takes time to set up because you enable Apache to do your bidding, you must know what you want. No administrator honestly cares if the server has to be planned out, that is not a bother. The end users, home users and neophytes are the ones requiring ease of install. Already I hear my MIS director tell me constantly "Other than as a web server Linux does not belong in the corporate space" I wish I could convince him otherwise (MS does not belong) but it was APACHE that convinced hom that MS sucks
(well that and my RH machine running Nessus against both servers)
:) His site is the shit. Always has all the latest-breaking headlines from lots of different news sites.
That's for sure! His site is shit. They have the latest breaking headlines BECAUSE they do not care who or what their source is. If you called Drudge up on the phone and told them Osama Bin Hidin was found in Pakistan and is now aboard the USS Baatan...it would make the headlines on Sludgereport, they would take it down after a while. But they do that nonstop. That is not journalism. Journalists actually care about their integrity (though it may oft seem they don't). They make a concerted effort to be able to back up what they say with facts...Sludge does none of this. BTW, the ticker tapes on the CNN channel are controlled by interns who are supposed to "Ensure CNN is the first to break a story" If you watch, often times Drudges misinfo gets put on the ticker-tapes.
I would venture a practical use of this phenomenon to be in detonating explosives. A blasting cap with a couple different sensors with microcode instructions explaining what situations to explode in. Very useful. Make the inputs for the sensors standard and then you could pick from a whole variety and use the same set up. Very little training there. An artificially intelligent landmine with RF detection, IR whatever you want.
...BOOM!!!
Duh
This could lead to companies producing two seperate lines of CDs. 'Broken' versus normal. Artists would have to decide if they wanted to make a broken cd and consumers would then decide if they wanted a broken CD. Sales differences might cause artists to make REAL CDs.
DMCA is a dinosaur and Phillips is an Asteroid!!
That the settlement and the Red Hat Modification (ie MS buys the computers and RH donates the free software) would be accepted
leaked e-mail> .NET
Be sure to stop by and cast your vote for
/leaked e-mail
This bothers me far more than the "poll fixing" Do people realize that this kind of information is leaking all over the net? Is there a way to disable this "feature"?
Yes, and I will spell it for you E-X-I-M
Currently the court system is truly straining and something definitely needs to be done to ease the burden. Of course this could also backfire leaving a lot of openings about mistrials etc....(I am guessing, IANAL) I would think they should classify court cases by impact:
Low level...tried online
medium level...can be tried online if both paties consent
High level....only in person
I hope this works out well.
Cheers
This seems to me (I am a 30% Windows user 70% Linux user) te be the single stupidest approach for either system.
You could well be right about that. However, I am hoping that the release of this and the publicity Michael Robertson will get for it will be bring attention to the fact that stuff like this can be done. Think about this: Wine (guessing) could not afford the amount of advertising affect that this simple phrase could give them (hypothetical from Lindows release page) "Runs office 25% better than Wine" People will say "I am not paying 100$ for this...what is Wine" Boom good advertising right there. I think emulators will be a rogramming fad for a while.
Cheers
These Lintel guys are opportunists who are not interested in improving Linux or giving back to the community that wrote 99.99% of what they're about to sell.
These rants somewhat piss me off, but not overly so. These people can do what they choose within the confines of the GPL. Because you hate MS does not mean that no one should use a proprietary licensing scheme. Proprietary (some)licenses in my mind will do more for linux than just everything being open. Huh?!? (I said it for you)
If I make a product and offer its source code and it is buggy. You can rewrite it as a stable product, giving me proper credit etc...however if my bugy release is proprietary (maybe releasing some functions to open source) You will be forced to come up with another way to do it. Thus the user receives CHOICE, which is what this is all about. Proprietary has its place in software development as do business models in corporations.
Cheers
One thing I think would be real fun to have on my network is Samba file servers and domain controllers with NT playing only specialized roles. The average user could be running a product such as Lindows for their Office apps etc... Many users on my network would be fine with RH7.2 and Sun SO6 with Ximians Evolution for Mail and calendars. I could make do with Lindows if it could run the NT Administration tools for my NT boxes. Mickey$oft can be phased out.
As far as another MS upgrade rendering it obsolete. I think once a good user base is established on the alternative office products, further development will pick up pace greatly. If all goes well in five years people will be looking at the box for MS office and seeing if it lists Lindows and Linux compatibility, then they will set it down and look at the OTHER CHOICES on the shelf.
Cheers
He didn't read the article he read the
"Please go to slashdot and show that opinion still favors MS even in the open source community" E Mail.
I found it highly amusing that yet another Microsoft "feature" recklessly ignoring users' privacy and security has turned around and bit them in the ass.
Damn, I was going to say that. Screw it I will any way.
THAT
I can just see it now. Grad students will be forced to sign non-compete documents. Just imagine. Some poor schmuck finishes his thesis after 6 years of slaving away, publishes a paper in his area of expertise, and is sued by university for breach of contract because he collaborated with someone from a competing university.
Boy did you hit the nail on the head! Already grad students contend with Lazy professors (not always) plastering their own names on publications which were the result of the students work. I can see this now. Here is your degree in Computer Science, the work you did here will revolutionize TCP/IP forever...oh and don't go modifying your code or upgrading as that would be a violation of our patents and intellectual property rights.
Cheers
(The machine would start booting, then say "Active directory could not start", then reboot... even if you tried booting into "safe mode", or "command prompt only".. there was one option to allow you to boot without Active Directory, but if you did that, there was no way to log into the machine!)
That's a good point regarding Win2K networks. I was only referring to the desktop(Win2K Pro) as that was where the discussion was centered. However, once you employ the active directory on your W2K network the Win Professional machine is just as vulnerable to all these flaky network mods.
My ideal (if it exists) Windows network would be NT4 servers with Win2K Pro on the desks.
Cheers
Linux zealots are pissed because with the release of Win2K, MS actually has a stable, robust OS (I've heard XP is even better, I haven't taken that plunge yet).
First, I have never heard any of my friends says "You know, that Win 2K with its damn stability really pisses me off" Second, XP is really wonky I agree that Win 2K is very stable...I begged to use win2k instead of other M$ dribble & drool (oops, I meant point and click)OSes. However, M$ created XP which was more in line with their goals (99% downtime ?) and they marketed the hell out of it and so guess what...
I also agree that this not the way to steal the desktop space. The most this will do is maybe help a few dual booters to settle on an OS, but I doubt it because most of us figure out emulators (or in my case realize that photoshop licks the Gimps *$$ and thus Windows is not worth it). Those screenshots look slick, imagine if those people contributed to Gnome or KDE or some other project (maybe Koffice).
In summary, I am glad that they have so much latitude of choice...that is what puts Linux UP THERE in my book. The fact that they can put together a Linux distro and have it run things like IE and Outlook.
Cheers
I liked that someone encrypted their sig...
I hate to sound like a puny/pathetic wimp but...If I read in the paper that Bill Gates and M$ corporation were suing me and also read that he wanted to settle voluntarily out of court. I would be volunteering by ALL available means to stay out of his court (even ifthey are not bought, the playing field could NOT be level). I think the letter sounded like a very professional way of saying what one
Have a nice day
I wish them well with their... whatever it is that their goals are.
I think that putting a patent on reading may be a bit extreme
1.Typing
2.Scroll Boxes
3. tags
These patents could make you a fortune. Hint keep reading free and people like me can't help but type something in response. All our cash are belong to you!!!
I am torn as to wether or not to put stock in this. Every page lists the parts to buy then offers links to buy them. It looks a little slanted on the choices there. Additionally, I would think that tweakniks (or speedfreeaks, whatever you call them) would not put so much FLASH on their page. My poor Windows box (I am at work) kept wanting to get this flash 5.0, I convinced it that we could live without.
Other than the last complaint this seems a very noteworthy resource at least and I thank you for pointing it out.
Cheers
I just said (for at least the 3rd time now) that the reason for Microsoft's success was H-A-R-D-W-A-R-E, and had not much to do with software or marketing or whatever at all.
Well, that is an interesting point of view and is probably partially true. However the post you attacked above was recognizing only the value of marketing (ie I was not saying why they are a giant success) I was disputing the claim of Apples marketing being in some way superior (great ads with no audience==poor marketing) That was my point. H-A-R-D-W-A-R-E was most definitely a part of that, but no not ANY company could have made a go of it with IBMs blessing.
Cheers
Microsoft marketing is good, but it's not the reason for their success. For example Apple has and always had better marketing.
By better marketing are you perhaps meaning that you like Apples ads more than Microsofts? Marketing has more to do with quantity and recognition than quality. When is the last time you saw an Apple ad? I can not remember, but this morning thumbing through Linux Magazine I saw a two page M$ ad. Want more proof? Where do you want to go? (That's recognition there) Apple seems to me to try to coattail on other successful advertisement. When I see the big red X on OS X ads I think of the X Windowing system (not a good thing on Macs part). I have never mistaken an M$ ad for anything else. Oh yeah, and the little card I have in my pocket is another good marketing move for M$ (I paid real money to be an MC$E in hindsight I paid them to let me advertise and promote WINNT).
Cheers
Just a word of warning about some very accredited programs which boast a fast track. I personally enrolled in one at the UOP online (which is accredited). They were easy to get in, quick to finance etc... Well, the classes are 4-5 weeks in length I took three before leaving the program. The average text book did not arrive until two weeks into the class (the classes were well written and relevant to the field in thier defense) two weeks into a four week class is a long time to be bookless. The Universitys administration said that I needed to find a way around the program myself as the books are only available on an exclusive deal, it was difficult. I dropped the university due to their administrative apathy towards my problems. They refunded nearly all the money to my lenders meaning I owed them money. They sent me a note on 11/28/01 explaining that I owed 1000 dollars by 11/24/01 or it would go to collections. So, theres my "not-a-plug" for UOP online.
Be careful
And there are just as many, if not more people who have to put up with decisions motivated by office politics instead of technical knowledge. Or do you perhaps live in a fantasyland where management actually knows what they're talking about?
I work at a place where the view seems to be "If linux was worthwhile, they would have commercials and more marketing. I know the feeling of the above, to have someone who really doesn't know what an OS is or what it does tell you why Windows is superior and then ask in the same breath if you can reinstall the printers on his XP machine because they all dissappeared.
I am proud to work, proud of the stuff I do but I lament that all my servers are NT and Unixware.