vs the libetarians who imagine that we can cut Government, cut taxes, and will still receive all the same services that we receive today. Companies and charities will magically pick up the slack. Get real, how many of you would actually give enough money to charities to make up the difference? And no, everyone won't magically get a job and become self dependent if we just cut them off. Imagine some of the African countries. The rich ruling class, and the abject poverty everybody else.
From my point of view, the whole point of politisions is so that I don't have to worry about all the details. Just like a company for example. The line worker doesn't need to know all the finacial details or the deals that are going on. That is the job of the leadership. The line worker needs to see occasionally what direction the company is going in, but that's about it.
You may counter argue that they may have stock options or such or that they should care because you personnally are interested in such, but most workers don't need the details. Imagine an executive knowing all the details of how a paper machine operates.
I think having an aristocracy is not a good idea, that giving everyone the chance to have their voice hear works better. You need to read some books on how the surfs and peasants were treated thru out history before you claim that a ruling power class is such a great idea. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Having the biggest "best" empire is not always the best thing.
But the idea of education is a very good idea. It builds an opportunity for everyone to make the choices. Remember, in you examples, a lot of great minds are wasted because they are only the lower class. And a lot or morons were "well" educated just because they had money and power.
I do agree that the most qualified politician is not the one who gets chosen. But more likely it is the slickest, most willing to appeal to the most popular ideas (even if it involves blatent lieing to us (see George Jr.)). George Jr is the perfect example of an unqualified, but slicky (read lieing politician)(slick georgy?) getting himself elected.
Capitalism and Collectivism are not the only two valid systems AND I don't belive the person was actually proposing that.
I would think the proposal was more along the lines of "Stop worshipping money you fucking morons. There is more to life than the almighty dollar. And we have given up much of our personal choice and freedom in hopeless persuit of the almighty dollar. Have x% national growth rate every year is not always the best thing. Sometimes you have to stop and consider 'Is what I'm doing really the best thing to do? Or am I just trying to get more money?'"
Those same 4% control what 80-90 percent of all wealth in the country.... And that lower 50% make less that 20-25K a year. The taxes that the 4% as a percentage of their total earnings/wealth is much smaller than rest of us. Plus that 4% probably sees more from the government than the rest of us. 400B a year in defense with a large chunk of that going as corporate welfare....
That bastard! Trying to help out us everyday common people. He should know that we need to protect the super rich, and that we are all going to become multi-millionaires as Jr. is going to roll back taxes and save us all.
I would say that what most liberals really want is stability (at a minimum) for everyone. Not needed to decide between heating, rent, and medication. Protection for worker who dedicate their lives to a company (Polaroid) which goes under. A good education for everyone dispite their birth status.
I don't think any of the democrates in congress wake up in the morning thinking "Gee, how can I make the government larger". They think "Little suzzie/johnie is dieing because she/he don't have a place to live, and can't get proper medical care"
Face the truth 99% of us aren't ever going to be super rich no matter how hard we try. 80-90% will have to work the majority of our lives so that we can have resonable retirement (if we are lucky and nothing happens to us, or the field we are in dries up,.
So would these 4 people be trained as specialists to replace the displaced skilled people? Or would we strap them into the cargo bay? The 9G was just an example. There is still much extensive training that goes on (All the special saftey training, knowing all the systems, etc). I don't think the current (or any imaginary near future privitized system) can support unneeded personnel. Everyone needs to have a job up there. The space tourism argument would work better if it was $10,000 to go up, not 10+ Million. I don't think the rich elite really need yet another perk.
I have to say anyone who considers a scientist as an elitist is sad (but being super rich is perfectly acceptable). Many Scientists dedicate their lives to improving life for the rest of us. They do it out of a love of learning and discovery, not how rich it is going to get them. The scientists working at NASA have made a real contribution to the world, not to the stock market and their own bank accounts.
Wrong answer. The point of the article was to say the Windows is better than linux. No other purpose. If they had a different purpose, they would have done a better job of looking into the numbers to come up with better statistics. They just used the raw numbers that most "proved" their point.
It's funny about the sys admin thing. PCs were originally used to get around the massive IT infostructure, and get the job done. Now IT has taken control of the PC, locked everything down, and is making it harder to get (non M$ Word/Excel) work done.
The anyone can be an administrator is a funny point. That is one of M$ major marketing points. M$ is soooo easy to administrer that anyone can do it, wereas Unix is complicated and you need a trained administrator to use it. Well, M$ isn't in the easy to securely admin realm anymore, it takes a trained professional.
I agree. This, to me is one of the two most important points. The other being about the severity of the bugs. I think a really really interesting number would be the cost that each security vulenerability has cost. Using the same standard that companies use when they complain about piracy, I would estimate that M$ vulenerabilities have cost billions vs low millions for linux.
Another thought, How many of the problems are with default configurations vs properly configured? I believe that some of the Linux distributions had problems with lax default security, but could be tuned up for much better security
McCarthyism was a tragedy. I also believe that it happened during the American panic about Communism period. During the cold war, the US came to position itself as the shining light of freedom. I really worry about the current administration getting into a McCarthy situation over muslims or terrorists.
dear moron troll. F you. Just because someone says something that goes against the Uber Amerikan vision of the Fundamentalist Right doesn't mean that they are anti american. To be American is to think outside the box and express your opinions.
But it different if you show how your product is "superior" without mentioning other products. This paper isn't really about how good M$ is, but rather how bad Linux Embedded is. And since they feel they can't compete thru honesty, they use Marketing.
This is one of those things that constantly drives me nuts... The how Perl sucks so that Python may rule... How everything not Smalltalk sucks so that Smalltalk may rule.
If your stuff is so great, tell us why it is great, what I should use it for, and I'll make up my mine on whether or not to use it.
XP costs more.... It isn't necessary for a cost increase to be the issue. Netscape threatened to make the OS irrelevant with most users using Netscape on whatever OS was convenient for them. If the OS is irrelevant, then people would start to use Linux which is free instead of paying for M$. The price of Win would have had to drop (not go up) to maintain sales.
<P>
You can see how the Browser is pushing to make the OS a commodity by looking @ how much of the Win UI that the users sees is using basically IE. So with IE and Office which are the two major applications that most users user regularily the OS is a commodity but is protected because M$ controls all three.
another piece of (unix, mainframe, i'm not sure about M$ even thou it is most likely to need it) admin wisedom is to make a backup before doing some thing potentially dangerous as changing OS.
I make a backup of all my import data before I even think about changing M$ Win.
Do any of the distros autodetect partions when you select new install?
And he also doesn't say "Hey! let's not release this new Win because we haven't done enough security checking on it" Plus, how large is his staff? They could be spot checking, looking for exploits, actually reviewing code, providing guidelines to other coders, getting involved in all levels of code development.
But you're right. M$ has (had) one guy who was doing all of the security work for M$.
His job should have been to prevent code going out that was insecure. His job was to fight to have VBA disabled by default (and not after the fact, doesn't count).
It appears to me that any tribal system works as long as everyone is basically dependent all the others in the tribe for survival (AND that your survival depends on working with the others in the tribe). Once you reach a population mass where you aren't dependent on others or where you can start to leach off the system, then the community model starts to break down and greed starts to kick in.
Even in the tribal model there are still different classes and privileges. It seems like the warrior class is often more privileged than the gatherer/worker class. It is just less obvious because the advantage is not as great, and the warrier class makes a significant beyond being a warrior.
I guess I wasn't clear on the M$ office documents. I would like them to be a published standard available to all without restriction. That way, an open source developer could use those to incorporate the ability to read office documents into say.. Open Office.
There actually is a market if unix. It is currently kicking M$ ass in the server market (in spite of (i'm guessing) billions of advertising dollars from M$) The market for the desktop is much harder as it is controlled by a monopoly and the barrier to entry is very high. I have high hopes for the open source developers and their ability to crack the desktop market.
Just like the consumers chose the railroad monopolies and the steel monopolies, and the IBM monopoly.... I put my money into linux, regularily buying linux distributions and encouraging others to do the same. If you want me to start my own business to compete, it ain't gonna happen. I (and most other people) have no interest in starting ANY sort of business.
The consumers being protected are more like cattle or crack junkies. They go out and buy a Gateway or Dell and don't think about what OS it's running. If Linux could read Office documents, consumers could just as easily use that. (Office is the really monopoly that M$ protects). People are just used to Win & Office in spite of it being bad for them. You'd have to send them to rehab to get them off.
Monopolies aren't bad. Companies like M$ doing very bad things to protect them are what is bad. A monopoly is a unique thing and must be watched very very carefully.
Usually all of these things are equally about money AND power. Most of us are happy to do our job, chat with our friends and avoid stress and problems. The climbers aren't really looking for money, it's power they want. Bill G doesn't need an extra Billion, he loves the power that he has.
I have found that it is usually easy to tell the bad apples in the basket and to avoid them like the plague. They are just going to interfere with my getting the job done.
Most people have a set of work that needs to get done, and as long as they are getting their work done to the satisfaction of their boss, everyone is happy. And yet they have time to chat with friends, post on/. etc.
In my school, there were very few computer geeks, AND most of them were pretty shy, SO I was forced to socialize with non geeks. Worked quite well for me, dispite my shyness.
I know this is a joke, but..... This suck it up and be a real man stuff is really annoying to me. People (including men) have real wants and needs, and this is the kind of opportunity we should take to help improve our lifes in ways other than learning a new language.
Slashdot Mirror
vs the libetarians who imagine that we can cut Government, cut taxes, and will still receive all the same services that we receive today. Companies and charities will magically pick up the slack. Get real, how many of you would actually give enough money to charities to make up the difference? And no, everyone won't magically get a job and become self dependent if we just cut them off. Imagine some of the African countries. The rich ruling class, and the abject poverty everybody else.
From my point of view, the whole point of politisions is so that I don't have to worry about all the details. Just like a company for example. The line worker doesn't need to know all the finacial details or the deals that are going on. That is the job of the leadership. The line worker needs to see occasionally what direction the company is going in, but that's about it.
You may counter argue that they may have stock options or such or that they should care because you personnally are interested in such, but most workers don't need the details. Imagine an executive knowing all the details of how a paper machine operates.
I think having an aristocracy is not a good idea, that giving everyone the chance to have their voice hear works better. You need to read some books on how the surfs and peasants were treated thru out history before you claim that a ruling power class is such a great idea. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Having the biggest "best" empire is not always the best thing.
But the idea of education is a very good idea. It builds an opportunity for everyone to make the choices. Remember, in you examples, a lot of great minds are wasted because they are only the lower class. And a lot or morons were "well" educated just because they had money and power.
I do agree that the most qualified politician is not the one who gets chosen. But more likely it is the slickest, most willing to appeal to the most popular ideas (even if it involves blatent lieing to us (see George Jr.)). George Jr is the perfect example of an unqualified, but slicky (read lieing politician)(slick georgy?) getting himself elected.
Capitalism and Collectivism are not the only two valid systems AND I don't belive the person was actually proposing that.
I would think the proposal was more along the lines of "Stop worshipping money you fucking morons. There is more to life than the almighty dollar. And we have given up much of our personal choice and freedom in hopeless persuit of the almighty dollar. Have x% national growth rate every year is not always the best thing. Sometimes you have to stop and consider 'Is what I'm doing really the best thing to do? Or am I just trying to get more money?'"
Gee, it's nice to hear from you President Bush.
Those same 4% control what 80-90 percent of all wealth in the country.... And that lower 50% make less that 20-25K a year. The taxes that the 4% as a percentage of their total earnings/wealth is much smaller than rest of us. Plus that 4% probably sees more from the government than the rest of us. 400B a year in defense with a large chunk of that going as corporate welfare....
That bastard! Trying to help out us everyday common people. He should know that we need to protect the super rich, and that we are all going to become multi-millionaires as Jr. is going to roll back taxes and save us all.
I would say that what most liberals really want is stability (at a minimum) for everyone. Not needed to decide between heating, rent, and medication. Protection for worker who dedicate their lives to a company (Polaroid) which goes under. A good education for everyone dispite their birth status.
I don't think any of the democrates in congress wake up in the morning thinking "Gee, how can I make the government larger". They think "Little suzzie/johnie is dieing because she/he don't have a place to live, and can't get proper medical care"
Face the truth 99% of us aren't ever going to be super rich no matter how hard we try. 80-90% will have to work the majority of our lives so that we can have resonable retirement (if we are lucky and nothing happens to us, or the field we are in dries up,.
So would these 4 people be trained as specialists to replace the displaced skilled people? Or would we strap them into the cargo bay? The 9G was just an example. There is still much extensive training that goes on (All the special saftey training, knowing all the systems, etc). I don't think the current (or any imaginary near future privitized system) can support unneeded personnel. Everyone needs to have a job up there. The space tourism argument would work better if it was $10,000 to go up, not 10+ Million. I don't think the rich elite really need yet another perk.
I have to say anyone who considers a scientist as an elitist is sad (but being super rich is perfectly acceptable). Many Scientists dedicate their lives to improving life for the rest of us. They do it out of a love of learning and discovery, not how rich it is going to get them. The scientists working at NASA have made a real contribution to the world, not to the stock market and their own bank accounts.
Wrong answer. The point of the article was to say the Windows is better than linux. No other purpose. If they had a different purpose, they would have done a better job of looking into the numbers to come up with better statistics. They just used the raw numbers that most "proved" their point.
It's funny about the sys admin thing. PCs were originally used to get around the massive IT infostructure, and get the job done. Now IT has taken control of the PC, locked everything down, and is making it harder to get (non M$ Word/Excel) work done.
The anyone can be an administrator is a funny point. That is one of M$ major marketing points. M$ is soooo easy to administrer that anyone can do it, wereas Unix is complicated and you need a trained administrator to use it. Well, M$ isn't in the easy to securely admin realm anymore, it takes a trained professional.
But, what was said above is that the "application" expliots in Win affected the OS wereas a linux application exploit isn't going to affect the OS
I agree. This, to me is one of the two most important points. The other being about the severity of the bugs. I think a really really interesting number would be the cost that each security vulenerability has cost. Using the same standard that companies use when they complain about piracy, I would estimate that M$ vulenerabilities have cost billions vs low millions for linux.
Another thought, How many of the problems are with default configurations vs properly configured? I believe that some of the Linux distributions had problems with lax default security, but could be tuned up for much better security
I'd guess that about 5 minutes after the term "Read The Manual" was used, "Read The Fucking Manual" was used.
how do I do this thing that you have clearly wasted you time documenting
"Read The Manual"
5 minutes later
how do I do this thing that you have clearly wasted you time documenting
"Read The Fucking Manual"
McCarthyism was a tragedy. I also believe that it happened during the American panic about Communism period. During the cold war, the US came to position itself as the shining light of freedom. I really worry about the current administration getting into a McCarthy situation over muslims or terrorists.
dear moron troll. F you. Just because someone says something that goes against the Uber Amerikan vision of the Fundamentalist Right doesn't mean that they are anti american. To be American is to think outside the box and express your opinions.
But it different if you show how your product is "superior" without mentioning other products. This paper isn't really about how good M$ is, but rather how bad Linux Embedded is. And since they feel they can't compete thru honesty, they use Marketing.
This is one of those things that constantly drives me nuts... The how Perl sucks so that Python may rule... How everything not Smalltalk sucks so that Smalltalk may rule.
If your stuff is so great, tell us why it is great, what I should use it for, and I'll make up my mine on whether or not to use it.
So is everyone who reads arabic a terrorist? If terrorists write in english does that make english gibberish?
I assume you are talking about the Jr. executive branch here? I can't believe the parent was moded up. Did you get a buddy to do it?
XP costs more.... It isn't necessary for a cost increase to be the issue. Netscape threatened to make the OS irrelevant with most users using Netscape on whatever OS was convenient for them. If the OS is irrelevant, then people would start to use Linux which is free instead of paying for M$. The price of Win would have had to drop (not go up) to maintain sales.
<P>
You can see how the Browser is pushing to make the OS a commodity by looking @ how much of the Win UI that the users sees is using basically IE. So with IE and Office which are the two major applications that most users user regularily the OS is a commodity but is protected because M$ controls all three.
another piece of (unix, mainframe, i'm not sure about M$ even thou it is most likely to need it) admin wisedom is to make a backup before doing some thing potentially dangerous as changing OS.
I make a backup of all my import data before I even think about changing M$ Win.
Do any of the distros autodetect partions when you select new install?
books, passed on information, etc, etc (you moron) We learn, we publish, others learn
And he also doesn't say "Hey! let's not release this new Win because we haven't done enough security checking on it" Plus, how large is his staff? They could be spot checking, looking for exploits, actually reviewing code, providing guidelines to other coders, getting involved in all levels of code development.
But you're right. M$ has (had) one guy who was doing all of the security work for M$.
His job should have been to prevent code going out that was insecure. His job was to fight to have VBA disabled by default (and not after the fact, doesn't count).
The EULA prohibits reverse engineering (diassembling the binary)
It appears to me that any tribal system works as long as everyone is basically dependent all the others in the tribe for survival (AND that your survival depends on working with the others in the tribe). Once you reach a population mass where you aren't dependent on others or where you can start to leach off the system, then the community model starts to break down and greed starts to kick in.
Even in the tribal model there are still different classes and privileges. It seems like the warrior class is often more privileged than the gatherer/worker class. It is just less obvious because the advantage is not as great, and the warrier class makes a significant beyond being a warrior.
I guess I wasn't clear on the M$ office documents. I would like them to be a published standard available to all without restriction. That way, an open source developer could use those to incorporate the ability to read office documents into say .. Open Office.
There actually is a market if unix. It is currently kicking M$ ass in the server market (in spite of (i'm guessing) billions of advertising dollars from M$) The market for the desktop is much harder as it is controlled by a monopoly and the barrier to entry is very high. I have high hopes for the open source developers and their ability to crack the desktop market.
Just like the consumers chose the railroad monopolies and the steel monopolies, and the IBM monopoly.... I put my money into linux, regularily buying linux distributions and encouraging others to do the same. If you want me to start my own business to compete, it ain't gonna happen. I (and most other people) have no interest in starting ANY sort of business.
The consumers being protected are more like cattle or crack junkies. They go out and buy a Gateway or Dell and don't think about what OS it's running. If Linux could read Office documents, consumers could just as easily use that. (Office is the really monopoly that M$ protects). People are just used to Win & Office in spite of it being bad for them. You'd have to send them to rehab to get them off.
Monopolies aren't bad. Companies like M$ doing very bad things to protect them are what is bad. A monopoly is a unique thing and must be watched very very carefully.
Usually all of these things are equally about money AND power. Most of us are happy to do our job, chat with our friends and avoid stress and problems. The climbers aren't really looking for money, it's power they want. Bill G doesn't need an extra Billion, he loves the power that he has.
/. etc.
I have found that it is usually easy to tell the bad apples in the basket and to avoid them like the plague. They are just going to interfere with my getting the job done.
Most people have a set of work that needs to get done, and as long as they are getting their work done to the satisfaction of their boss, everyone is happy. And yet they have time to chat with friends, post on
In my school, there were very few computer geeks, AND most of them were pretty shy, SO I was forced to socialize with non geeks. Worked quite well for me, dispite my shyness.
I know this is a joke, but..... This suck it up and be a real man stuff is really annoying to me. People (including men) have real wants and needs, and this is the kind of opportunity we should take to help improve our lifes in ways other than learning a new language.