Except that, his "what's the big deal?" question wasn't asking "why is everyone complaining?", but "why doesn't linksys they go ahead and release it because it wouldn't hurt them?"
Well, as someone else said jabber has few users (and while jabber allows you to communicate with non-jabber users, you can be blocked)
The solution, I'd think, is this:
1) Trillian build their jabber plug-in into the free client, and make it appear as "native" as do MSN, AIM, etc.
2) Trillian encourage people to use jabber, and even run a jabber server that people could use (for a nominal fee?).
3) ISP's bundle Trillian (for windows users).
4) ISP's provide their own jabber server for their users to have an account, just like having an email account.
5) The ISP could pay a license fee to MSN Yahoo and AIM so that their users can also connect to their friends using those services.
Everybody wins. The ISP could probably get a great deal on the license fees from all the services as well as trillian, since they are "buying in bulk".Trillian gets two additional sources of income...ISP license as well as Jabber server fee (for those whose ISP's don't provide a jabber account), but they are fair and spread evenly among their users.
Eventually jabber would become just like email, where it was expected that the ISP would provide it as a basic service. In the meantime, everyone can still connect to everyone else, and MSN Yahoo and AIM are getting a fair payment for the service they provide to those using 3rd party clients.
Actually, it seems to be a fix. I got their patch for the pay version and I am connected to yahoo now. Trillian rocks.
(btw, i didn't really pay them for it either, I sent them a $5 donation before they came out with the $25 pay version, and they were nice enough to remember me and have given me the pay version along with updates since)
Well, they may lose more than trillian users. This would not only inconvenience people who use trillian, it would inconvenience those who use the yahoo client and can no longer communicate with lots of their contacts.
My workplace uses yahoo, and most people use the yahoo client. There are a few of us that use trillian because we have a lot of contacts on other services.
If yahoo shuts trillian off, there are two things that could happen: 1) the trillian users will have to start using the yahoo client, or 2) we'll convince everyone to switch over to a service that allows 3rd party clients.
Knowing the culture in my company, I'd guess that #2 would happen in short order. Even those who are happy to use the yahoo client understand the value of not being "locked in".
I think Y! know exactly what they're doing. Depending on your long-term strategy, it can be better to have forty thousand customers making you a tiny profit than forty million who cost you money.
I think you may be underestimating the importance of metcalfe's law. The forty thousand customers who are left won't be sticking around long now that their contact list has shrunk by, on average, a factor of 1000.
That's actually a great article, especially the way he concludes with reference to software interface design. I liked this quote:
With all of aviation's emphasis on safety, the human factors of small planes and the environment in which they fly would be laughable, if it weren't so dangerous. Why? Because the whole thing is awash in "macho." Just as with Unix, just as with DOS, the more confounding everything is, the better it is, because it helps separate the men from the boys--and the girls, who aren't really invited
I'll think of this every time I have to remember to type html BR tags in slashdot, rather than just having it "do the right thing" with plain old line feeds.
Well, it's an analogy. "cyber breach is to human nature as plane crash is to gravity".
Your version, "cyber breach is to human nature as plane crash is to human nature", is not actually an analogy at all.
What I was trying to say, is that from the point of view of the software developer, human nature should be treated as a given, a factor of the environment....and the design should take it into account. As opposed to designing something that will only work if human nature is ignored or idealized, and then blaming imperfect human nature when bad things happen.
(substitute "airplane designer" for "software developer", and "gravity" for "human nature", and it is an equivilent situation)
(I should have mentioned, the quote I referenced was from this article about the same thing, which I guess is not referenced in the slashdot story. Personally I think it is a better article.)
Well actually it was Computing Technology Industry Association, but they are funded by MS. The say "the report is flawed by "myopically looking to technology (i.e., 'bad' software OS) instead of addressing the underlying cause -- human behavior -- for cyber breaches." "
So basically if humans just would stop being mean or stupid, there wouldn't be any problems.
Isn't that sort of like blaming plane crashes on gravity? I mean, human nature is what it is. There will be virus writers, there will be people who don't always install the patches right away.
What are they suggesting, that we try to change human nature? Genetically engineer better humans? How about they take human nature as a given (like gravity to an aeronautical engineer), and then fix the damn product?
They get credit for the "first powered flight" probably less for that particular flight in 1903, than for the fact that they -- over the course of many years -- developed a practical airplane.
The flight on that particular date is celebrated today because people like to latch onto a single event -- the "ah ha" moment -- when in reality it was a steady progression of events that led the Wrights to the airplane. It probably was the most significant event for the Wrights, but if they had stopped there and not carried the development further, we doubtfully would celebrate it today.
Last week's Air Force Thunderbirds disaster was a sombre reminder of how hard it is to stay in the air even under ideal conditions.
It's not that it's so hard to stay in the air these days, but with everything, there are limits to what you can do. It is the nature of stunt teams like the Thunderbirds to push those limits as close to the danger threshold as they can (or are willing).
If you are not trying to push limits, I would not say it is hard to stay in the air.
Well, if what you mean by "replicate something done 100 years ago" is "create a heavier than air flying machine", well duh, it's easy.
But if you have to use the same technology they used 100 years ago, I don't see how 100 years of technological advancement really makes it a whole lot easier than it was in the first place. Sure, you could computer model it and all that, but if you end up with a different design than they had, you haven't solved the problem.
What you really meant to say was "is not profitable..." since they clearly "make money" since they sell for a price > $0.00
I think he really meant to say "make money", since everyone in the world except for you uses "make money" and "lose money" to indicate net (i.e. profit/loss) rather than gross.
Even if the square are transparent, it could "not impede the view", but some interpretations -- assuming you have two working eyes. Much like you can see through a chain link fence and not have it block distant objects.
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Presumably there would be a big station at the top, which would get bigger and bigger as more materials are shipped up there. Eventually we might have a complete ring shaped station circling the entire earth above the equator. Ok that would probably take a long time and a lot of elevators (since it would be, what, 170,000 miles in circumference?).
Whatever is up there, if you wanted to go further in space, it would be a far better starting point than down on terra firma, since you don't have to waste all the effort simply getting into orbit.
You don't keep incoming and outgoing in the same folder, do you? And if so, why do you do that?
Absolutely, I do.
I have a "family" folder, all correspondence with mom and dad and sisters goes there. I have a folder for each little project I work on, each client, you get the idea. And of course I want incoming and outgoing mail relevant to each of these things grouped together.
2) I'm not quite sure what you want... More than just sorting by a field? Or a custom filter?
Well, I want what Eudora has, I'm sure others must have it.
The field is called "Who" (rather than "Sender" or "Recipient"). So if I am the sender, the Who field would contain the recipient. If I am the recipient, the Who field contains the sender.
...but it seems that two major things are missing, if I am going to be able to keep my mail organized.
1) filtering (to folders) outgoing messages. I want all messages from OR TO certain people to automatically go into my, say, "work" folder.
2) sorting messages by "the other party", whether sender or reciever. In Eudora its just called "who". Within my, say, "work" folder, I might want to find all correspondance with, say, Bob. I don't want to first sort by sender, then the recipient. I want to see them all Bob messages, together.
I moved from Outlook Express to Eudora years ago because it didn't have these essential features....please tell me thunderbird has them somewhere but I'm just not seeing them.
I don't get the Torino scale, it seems very arbitrary the way the mix chance of impact with damage the imact would cause. Like 8 is "certain collision with local destruction" and 7 is "significant threat of global destruction". Seems they should either have two scales, or figure out a way to mix the two variables more reasonably.
Gone are days of long ago when people said what they meant, and did not lean on the spindly crutch of catchphrases and colloquialisms.
...and when was those good old days? I imagine such shorthand ways of expressing things has been around just about as long as language itself -- and for good reason.
I think most reasonably-educated people know that the term anal refers to anal-rententiveness. I assume you also know this is a Freudian concept.
Incidentally, your complaint about the term "cyber-hacker" directly contradicts your complaint about people shortening expressions. There are hackers who are not computer hackers, the term has been around a long time. Most people would know what he meant if he just said "hacker", but maybe he was trying to make sure he was clear, so he wouldn't upset people like you who tend to be....um, anal.
The first cars were very expensive too. (whether or not you believe that cars are good things is beside the point)
I think Segways are neat, whether or not it is cool to think that on slashdot. Would I buy one? Probably not anytime soon, unless I had a lot of money to blow, and in that case yes. I am impressed with an actual working implementation of artificial balance.
I predict that while the first-generation Segway itself probably won't catch on in a big way (because of its price, size and weight), artificial balance vehicles will be huge in the future.
But then again maybe you've got something more interesting you're putting together in your garage. Can't wait to see it!
Given that he is able to stand (and walk for short distances), why would he want to be in a wheelchair? I don't know, there's nothing wrong with being in a wheelchair, but I doubt many people really want to be in device specifically made for disabled people if they don't have to be.
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Well, maybe they fostered it in the same way Germany fostered cooperation between the US and Soviet Union in WWII.
Except that, his "what's the big deal?" question wasn't asking "why is everyone complaining?", but "why doesn't linksys they go ahead and release it because it wouldn't hurt them?"
Well, as someone else said jabber has few users (and while jabber allows you to communicate with non-jabber users, you can be blocked)
The solution, I'd think, is this:
1) Trillian build their jabber plug-in into the free client, and make it appear as "native" as do MSN, AIM, etc.
2) Trillian encourage people to use jabber, and even run a jabber server that people could use (for a nominal fee?).
3) ISP's bundle Trillian (for windows users).
4) ISP's provide their own jabber server for their users to have an account, just like having an email account.
5) The ISP could pay a license fee to MSN Yahoo and AIM so that their users can also connect to their friends using those services.
Everybody wins. The ISP could probably get a great deal on the license fees from all the services as well as trillian, since they are "buying in bulk".Trillian gets two additional sources of income...ISP license as well as Jabber server fee (for those whose ISP's don't provide a jabber account), but they are fair and spread evenly among their users.
Eventually jabber would become just like email, where it was expected that the ISP would provide it as a basic service. In the meantime, everyone can still connect to everyone else, and MSN Yahoo and AIM are getting a fair payment for the service they provide to those using 3rd party clients.
Actually, it seems to be a fix. I got their patch for the pay version and I am connected to yahoo now. Trillian rocks.
(btw, i didn't really pay them for it either, I sent them a $5 donation before they came out with the $25 pay version, and they were nice enough to remember me and have given me the pay version along with updates since)
Well, they may lose more than trillian users. This would not only inconvenience people who use trillian, it would inconvenience those who use the yahoo client and can no longer communicate with lots of their contacts.
My workplace uses yahoo, and most people use the yahoo client. There are a few of us that use trillian because we have a lot of contacts on other services.
If yahoo shuts trillian off, there are two things that could happen: 1) the trillian users will have to start using the yahoo client, or 2) we'll convince everyone to switch over to a service that allows 3rd party clients.
Knowing the culture in my company, I'd guess that #2 would happen in short order. Even those who are happy to use the yahoo client understand the value of not being "locked in".
I think Y! know exactly what they're doing. Depending on your long-term strategy, it can be better to have forty thousand customers making you a tiny profit than forty million who cost you money.
I think you may be underestimating the importance of metcalfe's law. The forty thousand customers who are left won't be sticking around long now that their contact list has shrunk by, on average, a factor of 1000.
That's actually a great article, especially the way he concludes with reference to software interface design. I liked this quote:
With all of aviation's emphasis on safety, the human factors of small planes and the environment in which they fly would be laughable, if it weren't so dangerous. Why? Because the whole thing is awash in "macho." Just as with Unix, just as with DOS, the more confounding everything is, the better it is, because it helps separate the men from the boys--and the girls, who aren't really invited
I'll think of this every time I have to remember to type html BR tags in slashdot, rather than just having it "do the right thing" with plain old line feeds.
Well, it's an analogy. "cyber breach is to human nature as plane crash is to gravity".
Your version, "cyber breach is to human nature as plane crash is to human nature", is not actually an analogy at all.
What I was trying to say, is that from the point of view of the software developer, human nature should be treated as a given, a factor of the environment....and the design should take it into account. As opposed to designing something that will only work if human nature is ignored or idealized, and then blaming imperfect human nature when bad things happen.
(substitute "airplane designer" for "software developer", and "gravity" for "human nature", and it is an equivilent situation)
(I should have mentioned, the quote I referenced was from this article about the same thing, which I guess is not referenced in the slashdot story. Personally I think it is a better article.)
Well actually it was Computing Technology Industry Association, but they are funded by MS. The say "the report is flawed by "myopically looking to technology (i.e., 'bad' software OS) instead of addressing the underlying cause -- human behavior -- for cyber breaches." "
So basically if humans just would stop being mean or stupid, there wouldn't be any problems.
Isn't that sort of like blaming plane crashes on gravity? I mean, human nature is what it is. There will be virus writers, there will be people who don't always install the patches right away.
What are they suggesting, that we try to change human nature? Genetically engineer better humans? How about they take human nature as a given (like gravity to an aeronautical engineer), and then fix the damn product?
They get credit for the "first powered flight" probably less for that particular flight in 1903, than for the fact that they -- over the course of many years -- developed a practical airplane.
The flight on that particular date is celebrated today because people like to latch onto a single event -- the "ah ha" moment -- when in reality it was a steady progression of events that led the Wrights to the airplane. It probably was the most significant event for the Wrights, but if they had stopped there and not carried the development further, we doubtfully would celebrate it today.
Last week's Air Force Thunderbirds disaster was a sombre reminder of how hard it is to stay in the air even under ideal conditions.
It's not that it's so hard to stay in the air these days, but with everything, there are limits to what you can do. It is the nature of stunt teams like the Thunderbirds to push those limits as close to the danger threshold as they can (or are willing).
If you are not trying to push limits, I would not say it is hard to stay in the air.
Well, if what you mean by "replicate something done 100 years ago" is "create a heavier than air flying machine", well duh, it's easy.
But if you have to use the same technology they used 100 years ago, I don't see how 100 years of technological advancement really makes it a whole lot easier than it was in the first place. Sure, you could computer model it and all that, but if you end up with a different design than they had, you haven't solved the problem.
It was a stock swap:
CNET said it will exchange 0.59 shares of CNET stock for each ZDNet share and 0.34 shares for each Ziff share.
Cnet had a higher market cap at the time, so articles would say that Cnet was the one doing the acquiring, but really they acquired each other.
What you really meant to say was "is not profitable..." since they clearly "make money" since they sell for a price > $0.00
I think he really meant to say "make money", since everyone in the world except for you uses "make money" and "lose money" to indicate net (i.e. profit/loss) rather than gross.
Even if the square are transparent, it could "not impede the view", but some interpretations -- assuming you have two working eyes. Much like you can see through a chain link fence and not have it block distant objects.
Sunlight without energy is usually referred to as "darkness"
Presumably there would be a big station at the top, which would get bigger and bigger as more materials are shipped up there. Eventually we might have a complete ring shaped station circling the entire earth above the equator. Ok that would probably take a long time and a lot of elevators (since it would be, what, 170,000 miles in circumference?).
Whatever is up there, if you wanted to go further in space, it would be a far better starting point than down on terra firma, since you don't have to waste all the effort simply getting into orbit.
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You don't keep incoming and outgoing in the same folder, do you? And if so, why do you do that?
Absolutely, I do.
I have a "family" folder, all correspondence with mom and dad and sisters goes there. I have a folder for each little project I work on, each client, you get the idea. And of course I want incoming and outgoing mail relevant to each of these things grouped together.
2) I'm not quite sure what you want... More than just sorting by a field? Or a custom filter?
Well, I want what Eudora has, I'm sure others must have it.
The field is called "Who" (rather than "Sender" or "Recipient"). So if I am the sender, the Who field would contain the recipient. If I am the recipient, the Who field contains the sender.
See http://www.eudora.com/email/43/screenshot.html
(outgoing messages are shown in italic to distinguish them from incoming)
It is SO much more useful that having seperate sender and recipient fields.
...but it seems that two major things are missing, if I am going to be able to keep my mail organized.
1) filtering (to folders) outgoing messages. I want all messages from OR TO certain people to automatically go into my, say, "work" folder.
2) sorting messages by "the other party", whether sender or reciever. In Eudora its just called "who". Within my, say, "work" folder, I might want to find all correspondance with, say, Bob. I don't want to first sort by sender, then the recipient. I want to see them all Bob messages, together.
I moved from Outlook Express to Eudora years ago because it didn't have these essential features....please tell me thunderbird has them somewhere but I'm just not seeing them.
I don't get the Torino scale, it seems very arbitrary the way the mix chance of impact with damage the imact would cause. Like 8 is "certain collision with local destruction" and 7 is "significant threat of global destruction". Seems they should either have two scales, or figure out a way to mix the two variables more reasonably.
Gone are days of long ago when people said what they meant, and did not lean on the spindly crutch of catchphrases and colloquialisms.
...and when was those good old days? I imagine such shorthand ways of expressing things has been around just about as long as language itself -- and for good reason.
I think most reasonably-educated people know that the term anal refers to anal-rententiveness. I assume you also know this is a Freudian concept.
Incidentally, your complaint about the term "cyber-hacker" directly contradicts your complaint about people shortening expressions. There are hackers who are not computer hackers, the term has been around a long time. Most people would know what he meant if he just said "hacker", but maybe he was trying to make sure he was clear, so he wouldn't upset people like you who tend to be....um, anal.
The first cars were very expensive too. (whether or not you believe that cars are good things is beside the point) I think Segways are neat, whether or not it is cool to think that on slashdot. Would I buy one? Probably not anytime soon, unless I had a lot of money to blow, and in that case yes. I am impressed with an actual working implementation of artificial balance. I predict that while the first-generation Segway itself probably won't catch on in a big way (because of its price, size and weight), artificial balance vehicles will be huge in the future. But then again maybe you've got something more interesting you're putting together in your garage. Can't wait to see it!
Given that he is able to stand (and walk for short distances), why would he want to be in a wheelchair? I don't know, there's nothing wrong with being in a wheelchair, but I doubt many people really want to be in device specifically made for disabled people if they don't have to be.