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Mozilla Thunderbird 0.2 Released
An anonymous reader writes "Mozilla Thunderbird 0.2 is out! For those who haven't heard about it yet, Mozilla Thunderbird is mozilla.org's new standalone mail client and sister product to Mozilla Firebird. According to MozillaZine's article on the release, new features include 'a redesigned Options dialogue, spell checker improvements, enhancements to the default theme and better performance and stability'. More information can be found at the Mozilla Thunderbird Project Page and in the release notes (which include the important information that a clean install is vital). Builds are available for Windows (7.3Mb), Mac OS (11.1Mb) and Linux (9.5Mb) or you can download the source (29.1Mb) and build it yourself for extra geek points."
Thunderbird / Firebird?
Why not pick a diffrent GMC product name just to confuse us!
Hornet
Gremlen
I don't enjoy this mental image of a drunk on the street with drinking from his paperbag while browsing the web.
Exchange server support. Unfortunately I must use it at work and at school, which also means I must use Outlook.
SCO is suing Mozilla for making stuff on Linux. And Ford is suing Mozilla for using the word Thunderbird. And I'm being sued for not being funny.
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It's from Norway, it must be good.
...but not the best. it still is unable to handle yENC attachments. this is the feature that keeps me using forte agent. it also still has some speed issues to iron out yet.
.02 is good, just not quite there yet.
thundebird
Thunderbird, Firebird, Phoenix - the common naming scheme might sound cool, but it gets confusing really quick and I think the dev team would do well pick more differentiable names.
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
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I just switched to it from outlook today. Exchange server does imap, and my corporation has an ldap directory too. So I really don't even miss it besides a two or three minute email delay. And plus, I can leave outlook running in the background with mail notification turned off to just give me my appointments.
See you, space cowboy...
Check out the unofficial processor optimized builds, available in a variety of flavors.
Silly question, but between the existing Mozilla suite and Phoenix and Galeon, why should I bother with this?
NO TOUCH MONKEY!
...but I still don't have any friends. :( ( no emails magically appeared )
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
Been running it for a good hour or so now, and I must say it DOES start-up alot quicker then 0.1 and it seems to be alot more stable as well. The update was easy (unzipping a folder yay) and everything seems to be working as well if not better then before. Kudos Moz :)
Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
I'd love to switch from the full Mozilla suite which is slow, to two fast programs for e-mail and web browsing, like Camino/Thunderbird. But...I have thousands of messages and dozens of mail rules connected to folders in my Mozilla Mail setup. Until Thunderbird can import these I won't be switching.
But here is what you do not understand. The new products (thunderbird, firebird, ect) are gaining momentum quickly.
I have been using ThunderBird for email for quite a while now, and recommended to everyone. I even got my father to switch. The new suite is absolutly incredable. Quicker then the bloated netscape code, smaller, easier to use. This is what will keep the Mozilla Foundation alive, and im sure they know it too.
Besides when has market share had anything to do with if a OSS project stays alive?
We're running a series of Thunderbird articles, the latest article explains how to migrate from other clients. Send this link to your friends!
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Anyone know how to turn off anti aliasing in this? My eyes are killing me.
...will Mozilla Taurus be released?
good now maybe we can get plugins that are not like 2 years behind the times. I for one cannot wait until we have a REAL media player. Not some worn out skeleton of one.
This is not yet advertised on mozilla.org. Thunderbird 0.1 is still advertised.
does anyone know when the ability to decode yenc attachments is going to be in thunderbird?
I definitely want to install this version. The previous version crapped out so much I deleted it after 30 minutes.
If you notice, it shrunk about 1.5 megs since .1. It'll get smaller. (Outlook didn't look too tiny last time I looked, though...)
While I love the idea of ridding my windows desktop from any microsoft software other than what is required (windows), Thunderbird needs to majorly work on it's speed before it is of any use to me. I use a 500 mhz k6-2 with 512 MB ram, and often I can't type an email message because the program is so slow. However, it deals with IMAP much better than outlook- which makes my life much easier. Plus I can match skins to firebird!
Anybody have a hotmail account hack for this yet?
There's a "Comunicator 4.x" option. To migrate from a Mozilla based mail program involves setting up accounts and copying files.
They could call them, oh, I don't know, Hummingbird and Lovebird.
philcrissman.com.
With Microsoft confused as to the devlopment state of Outlook Express, This could be a golden oppertunity for the open source community to gain a significant foothold, because Microsoft might finally be fixing their bugs. I know it sounds crazy, but why else would they push everything back so far?
SAILING MISHAP
YHBT.
Bah! Let me know when Mozilla Mad Dog or Mozilla Night Train Express are released.
You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here.
It's definately not because of the subject. I'm going to guess that you need to include more and better relevant links in the article.
No offense intended, but you might run it through a spell checker too.
... If there is an improvment with imap accounts. Is there a setting to check all imap folders, what doesn't cause it to error on folders that cannot contain mail?
Does it handle gpg any better than it did before? Evolution users couldn't verify messages signed with thunderbird perviously.
.. the lack of Outlook Express for free.
;)
Its the killer net-wired computer app, and Microsoft is taking away the free treat. Interesting to see what happens with Mozilla's email client.
I wonder what Eudora Lite is like these days?
"Old man yells at systemd"
I just wanted to pipe in. I'm a Windows user (I know, kill me), but like most people on this site, I hate Outlook and Outlook Express. Vehemently. So I've been using Netscape 4.x's aging email client, Communicator. This post is geared for those who are still using it. Since Thunderbird is by the Mozilla folk, it behaves and looks a lot like Communicator. So if you're using Communicator but hate the fact that a) it can't render some HTML email that your stupid drone friends sends you, and b) all links open in Netscape 4.x, which is almost archaic now, I'd suggest you download Thunderbird and give it a try. You'll be able to import you Address Book and old emails/folders. Not your mail filters though, which pissed me off at first. So I re-did several hundred of them. But then I found Thunderbird's great junk-mail filter. It works great. The other neat-o factor is that you can apply filters to flag messages as Personal/Work/Whatever, and it color codes the emails! Very cool. Anywho, if you like Communicator, try Thunderbird. Especially as it gets more stable...
running around going, "THE NEW PHONEBOOKS ARE HERE!! THE NEW PHONEBOOKS ARE HERE!!" whenever I see someone make an excited news post about a 0.1 rev to a *mail client*?
I just hope the GPG support stays solid and consistent. I am about to try and upgrade here both on a Linux and XP system and I am praying that we won't be burdened with enigmail problems.
If this client stays as solid as it seems to be, and is able to maintain good GPG support, I think I am going to be *very* pleased.
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I'm trying to switch over from Mozilla to Firebird and Thunderbird, but I've run into a few niggles. On the Thunderbird side, for instance, is there any way to open links in a new Firebird tab? In Mozilla's MailNews, I like being able to middle-click to open URLs in a new browser tab :).
And, on the Firebird side, is there a way to turn on inline-autocomplete for the URL bar? (If you're not familiar with inline-autocomplete, it's when the top-match dynamically appears in the URL bar as you type.)
Other than that, I'm also looking for a DOM Inspector extension for Firebird as well. Yeah, there are some one-off XPIs to get the DOM Inspector in Firebird, but I'm concerned that they may not be actively developed. For instance, if the Firebird extensions API changes, I'm not sure if someone would step up to release a new DOM Inspector XPI :-/.
Alex Bischoff
HTML/CSS coder for hire
i sure am glad there is a stand alone email client other than Outhouse Express...
:)
Thank you Thunderbird developers
now to reboot to Linux and give the Linux build a spin...
Why were they not a bit more aggresive with version numbers ? Its not like its a totally new code base so I'm wondering why they did not start at .4 or higher and work towards version parity (hopefully a 1.0 release in the very very near future) with Firebird so the Mozilla tools can be offered as a suite rather than a hodgepodge of different versions. I ask because telling your PHB you want to run 0.2 software in many cases is like telling him you have volunteered his services for clinical trials of a new protological device. Not something hes going to be happy about.
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
Why not pick a diffrent GMC product name just to confuse us!
Is this your confusion or am I confused?
Thunderbird - Ford
Firebird - Pontiac
Hornet - AMC
Gremlin - AMC
You can not mention AMC without a link the the Pacer, aka, the fishbowl on wheels.
The worst part of this post is I actually took the time to respond with links to a AC troll and post offtopic.
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Does anyone know if the memory footprint has improved? It is the only thing keeping me from switching from OE (which has about 1/3 memory footprint) and the memory footprint section has not been updated on their web site.
1) Is it possible to upgrade your existing Thunderbird 0.1 settings into 0.2? I know Thunderbird is not an installer, its just an unzip and go application. So I worry about upgrading.
2) Does Thunderbird bounce mail? Unfortunately, I have no clue what bouncing mail means, although it has something to do with stopping spam with SpamAssassin. My brother says he'll only switch from Eudora as soon as it can bounce email.
Now, can this new client do that? If It can, I can use that, on Linux, and not have to boot up Windows (insecure).
I'll go download it and see for myself, but I hope it's not another Kmail (too much like Windows email client).
Maybe I didn't read the roadmap thoroughly enough, but I can't see the long term plans for this. I switched my mail and news from Netscape 4.8 to Mozilla 1.4. So far it's been reasonable, even though there are some quirks, sluggishness and some rather obtuse UI choices. Mail in Mozilla 1.4 has finally reached a level that is good enough for my full time use. I would really love to get away from the integrated monolithic process of Mozilla 1.4, but when it comes to email, I'm very conservative about trying software before it's ready.
When is this supposed to be ready? What is the long term plan for version 1.0? Does anybody have a clue, or will it follow after Debian and release when it's ready? The Mozilla Foundation is very different to Debian, and I think they need to provide more foresight. How long do people foresee it being until they spin off a stable branch meant as a replacement to for Mail/News in Mozilla 1.4? Anpther year?
Mozilla Taurus, no. But Mozilla cliTaurus, yes.
See! The Internet is only for the Rich and Famous! Whole segments of the population has to do without!
Thank god! How many years did it take? Companies are finally realizing that people don't want ONE program to do every freaking internet task possible i.e. ICQ, Communicator, etc. I think the bloat is what cost Netscape the browser war.
Much better than 0.1 and the last testing build I used [2003-08-20.] It feels even more responsive than Mozilla Mail [2003-09-03.]
FYI, I am not using the official 0.2 build but a special optimised Thunderbird build by Scott Walker [2003-09-03, tho the About dialog says 2003-08-29.]
Now the main things that need work are memory footprint reduction [23 MB right now], access to functionality [like being able to set/reset the master password] and some annoying bugs such as improper rewrap in text edit mode. The latter is present in Mozilla Mail as well, but it's been there too long.
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
yes plz tell tihs 2 all your aol buddies plz
Why can't Thunderbird deal with multipart attachments? Forte can, Outlook Express can and Thunderbird/Mozilla News seem to be the only mainstream newsreaders that cannot. I think this should be high on their agenda. Remember, pr0n friendliness always helps higher download rates.
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121 total comments, and it's still downloading at 210 K/sec. Either the /. effect has lost its might, or a large number of geeks have found other things to do tonight.
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Even if (like me) you think Mozilla Firebird (the browser) still needs time and effort before it can replace Mozilla or compete with other browers, you should give Thunderbird a try. My opinion of firebird thus far has been very lackluster even though I'm sure it will be great one day, but I'm a hardcore Thunderbird enthusiast since 0.1 and 0.2 loads so much faster (my biggest complaint with 0.1, which still seemed to load faster than other mail client, probably OE, and certainly Mozilla's current mail client and Eudora).
is it just me, or is 7 megs a bit hefty for the smallest binary of a mail client intended to be small and lightweight, especially given that size being a full meg bigger than its bretheren web browser?
(installing now)
Myren
Holy crap. So I'm setting up my new computer. Clean install, moving files, making partitions. I get on the network and I start downloading and installing drivers and software. I go to get firebird, and I get the new .2, without even realizing it came out within the hour. I wondered why the icon was different. I head to /. and lo and behold the top story.
Freaky.
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First, to jark (the grandparent), take it in stride. As you can see by my Journal, I've been in the same boat (posting stories that get rejected, only to have the story show up within the next day or two.)
Second, solferino, you and I and a bunch of other people know that, in fact, the submitters of stories, and those who post in them, are the lifeblood of slashdot. We're the ones who create the content that Taco and crew sell access to via subscriptions.
Third, (while I'm ranting), according to the last IRC chat, several readers suggested features, to which Taco replied with "Patches are welcome." If slashdot was still being run out of Rob's basement in Michigan, I could see pimping for patches. However, these guys get paid from OSDN. It's their job to keep the site up to date, and add features.
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If you want to see the real text that you have been sent (without constantly clicking "View Source"), wait until Thunderbird matures a bit, or goes back to the basics, or whatever. I don't want graphics in my email.
...will Mozilla Pinto be released?
then how come the linux download is over 2 MB bigger, and teh mac download is roughly 4 MB bigger. Just face it, linux SUX> I think I'll stop my development of that bloated kernel.
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But something I would love to see in the next release of thunderbird is, instead of opening up a new broswer window on a link it could open it in the background. Kind of like Opera. Just my 2 cents
Outlook Express: Death Is Exaggerated (PCWorld.com)
Outcry forces reprieve for Outlook Express (ZDNet UK)
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OE might be in the IE boat tho, meaning no release until the next release of Windows, as suggested on Beta News. So there will be an opportunity, but not a gaping hole as the next release of Windows will forcefully spread the next version of OE again.
...but it seems that two major things are missing, if I am going to be able to keep my mail organized.
1) filtering (to folders) outgoing messages. I want all messages from OR TO certain people to automatically go into my, say, "work" folder.
2) sorting messages by "the other party", whether sender or reciever. In Eudora its just called "who". Within my, say, "work" folder, I might want to find all correspondance with, say, Bob. I don't want to first sort by sender, then the recipient. I want to see them all Bob messages, together.
I moved from Outlook Express to Eudora years ago because it didn't have these essential features....please tell me thunderbird has them somewhere but I'm just not seeing them.
Why is it so difficult to get Thunderbird to import an entire address book from the Palm Desktop? Do I really have to be bothered to export every single name in my Palm address book to a Vcard or Address Archive, and then import them individually into Thunderbird? The day Thunderbird can import my entire palm address book will prove to me its effectiveness over any previous mozilla/netscape mail client I've used in the past. Has anyone else tried this process? Ever notice how the values get jumbled? Mr. A's phone numbers are showing up in the home address line, Mr X's E-mail address appears in the work phone line, etc. Its such an inconvenience it would be more effective if I just manually entered each address, but I won't, and I refuse to, because I own a computer, and not a rolodex that I have to fill out by hand.
I hate all sigs, even this one.
That's called an alpha release - KABOOM!
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I tried using Mozilla 1.4 with my work account. It took me ages to figure out how to authenticate: user name = domainname/username/mailbox-alias. Obviously! My biggest complaint with Mozilla 1.4 Mail is that I haven't figured out if I can get it to disconnect from a mail server once it's connected without quitting the app. I connect to three accounts, and there are times that I don't want it to keep checking them all. Does Thunderbird handle this more gracefully?
Why didn't Ford sue AMD for the use of Thunderbird in their line of processors??
What are these "aol buddies" you speak of? Are they all elite like you? They are probably way too cool for me if so, but thanks and if I ever meet any "aol buddies" I will tell them to use yahoo webmail.
Dammit
I was waiting for 0.2 because I never could get 0.1 to run (Windows).
Now I download 0.2 and it won't run either.
Anyone else had this problem?
Thunderbird is not working on RedHat 8.0
I get the following error when I try to run it:
(thunderbird-bin:10551): Gdk-WARNING **: gdkdrawable-x11.c:787 drawable is not a pixmap or window
Funny thing is that Firebird runs smoothly
These standalone releases are temporary, of sorts. In time, the Mozilla 1.x suite will be this very suite of applications -- Firebird ("Mozilla Browser"), Thunderbird ("Mozilla Mail"), etc. You will be able to choose them separately at install time. I think you will still be able to download Firebird separately too, if you wish.
To be honest, it's all very complicated, and I probably have it wrong. I highly recommend you take a look at the Mozilla Roadmap. They clearly have a much better grasp of this than I do.
Overall, I'm sure this will solve some of the version number problems you describe.
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You're being Overly Critical, aren't you? :-) Speaking for myself, I use Free Open Source software because I don't want to "pirate" the programs you mentioned. Also known as keeping your conscience clean. I'm also doing my best to move people away from Windows and Office, but only where appropriate. I have realistic expectations - I don't want them to end up hating OSS apps cos they didn't fit their needs.
Having said that, you'll notice from my earlier post I'm not happy about the code bloat and huge memory footprint. The tolerance is there, but because of other reasons such as trustworthiness.
A personal note: while I do applaud your efforts to negate the bias around here, I'd be more impressed if you adopted a more neutral attitude. Thanks!
Cheers,
CD
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
Why do they never have any for FreeBSD? Opera does. I guess FreeBSD users should just use Opera instead?
There is a Mozilla Calendar project at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/.
I don't think it's got the advanced scheduling capability of Outlook (yet?) but you can share calendars by publishing them to a WebDAV server. You can get a free, open source WebDAV server with either mod_dav for Apache, or with the Jakarta Tomcat 4.1.x releases.
Tips and Tricks for Mozilla
Anyone notice the difference in memory usage between running Thunderbird 0.2 + Firebird 0.6.1 vs Mozilla 1.4 on Windows?
I've used Mozilla primarily on the Mac (OS 9), and one thing I've NEVER understood is why Mozilla, at its worst, eats up about 137+ MB of RAM. This is unacceptable. I suspect that much of it has to do with the growing amount of E-mail that i've collected in to various folders, but there has to be a better way.
I've been wondering if piping all the email to a true database engine wouldn't be an interesting option for those that want to endure the process of setting it up. MySQL is fast, lean, and I'm guessing that the initial load time when opening the e-mail client might be cut substantially.
Does this version work any better on OS X? I was very excited about Thunderbird for a while, but the first release was nigh unusable on OS X.
.2?
It was impossible to run without quitting and restarting the application, for instance. Close the main window, and it's *impossible* to get it back. Other problems like that made me ditch it in a heartbeat. Have things improved in
Sure they have neat themes but they can't even do SSL email! I was forced to change recently because my ISP blocked outbound SMTP. Lots of others have hit this problem but it has yet to be fixed.
Try Sylpheed, there's a native win32 version and of course *nix versions.
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Not bad, but still too much work to import from outlook.. it puts all the imported mail in the local folders folder, i have to manually move everything to each account folder.. but this isnt that big of a problem.. filters is the problem. I have a lot of filters in OE, is there any way to import filters? If so I'll probably switch
or you can download the source (29.1Mb) and build it yourself for extra geek points.
Or you can copy the code from a SCO version to collect extra lawyers.
What!? 9.5Mb for the compressed Linux binaries in bz2 format and only 7.3Mb for the Windows ones in zip format?!? Something's wrong! We all know that Linux is better than Windows without exception, and that includes file sizes!! ;)
;)
Maybe the Linux version has a few more megs of installation instructions than the Windows one...
{ducks}
(Please don't kill me, I do use and love Linux!!)
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I think it is a pain to always have to create a new profile. When switching from Mozilla 1.0 to 1.4, a bug I submitted was "solved" by saying "create a new profile". I counted how much work that was, I filled in over 20 text fields and clicked about 30 boxes before I was back to normal. And still I lost all my collected adresses, saved passwords and local adressbook.
The "create new profile" is Mozillas equivalent to "format C: and reinstall everyting". More work should go to handle profiles so they are backwards compatible. It is really annoying.
THUNDERBIRD!
What's the price?
Nuthin' twice!
Gotta love Open Source!
For those out there who wish to use thunderbird, we offer the following solutions:
I used to do this regularly, when in the early milestones it was regular for Mozilla to corrupt an user profile.
However, there should really be a function implemented in the UI to do import/export operations on the user profiles. It seems quite a shame to have functions to import address books from the Netscape 4.x format, but not the mozilla format.
See bugs 82485 or 22689 for an outline.
Heh, maybe someone could set up a mirror site of these projects that just goes through all the docs and programs and moves the decimal point one step to the right, 0.2 -> 2.0 etc. Then you would point your boss to the mirror instead of the real one.
;-)
Actually, given how many companies treat version numbers, most people would be extremely impressed how great, bug free and mature TB is for being "only a 2.0 release". Quite an insane world.
In a way, maybe it is sad that OSS developers are so brutally honest. If they had the guts to boast a little wuith numbers and stuff, maybe that'd help taking over the market. OTOH, no developer ever wants to go gold, as soon as you stop calling it beta (no matter what actual status is), you kinda have to assume some responsibility... and that ruins all the fun.
I would be the first to say that the core Mozilla engine has come on in leaps and bounds over the past few years. Yes, the project has had ups and downs, but has eventually delivered a fantastic browser engine. However, as an end user, I don't have the time|inclination to sift through several variants of a browser (some of which seem identical to a non-clued-up end user). How about a single distribution package that just does a modular installation (or even use a custom network installer that just downloads the necessary components). The components for installation, including whatever GUI shell you would like, plug-in support etc, could all be selected from a simple checkbox GUI. The installer app could then just go an grab the components (or even the appropriate fork distribution as a first attempt) from the Mozilla site. This way, we just get Mozilla, not have to decide which of several variants are appropriate.
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im a little confused as to why firebird and thunderbird have to use gtk. And if they have to, why dont they use the same version.
Answer this: Is the reason why they have to use GTK+1.2/2 because these are standalone applications and cant use widgets for everything such as scrolling a html page (scrollbar) ?
Im guessing this has something to do with it, cause the scroll bars are different on other platforms such as windows!
Im guessing that when we can get firebird and thunderbird in the mozilla suit that these will use xul to provide the scrollbars for the scrolling of the main window(s)!!
Is this right?
P.S i also read somewhere that the menues have something to do with useing gtk+...
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The idea is to parse the bad "HTML like stream" sent by OWA to extract valuable data (some of the are embed as XML stream !!) and transform them to some XUL look a like.
... only the problem of spare time :(
Technically it should be feasible
Anyway, i would much preffer to see some opensource solution based for instance on Apach's Tomcat WebDAV that could offer agenda and co !
SLK
Why the helll does an email client weight 7-11 MB? I really don't see what kind of functionality it has that requires it to be more then a few 100's of kilos big (not to say 10's of kilos).
Okay, the connector is 69 dollars. Not cheap and not exactly expensive. You're living in a Microsoft world but you like Linux, why not just buy it? At one time in my life I had a nice foreign car and I had to pay extra for parts, labor, etc. To me it was an opportunity cost worth paying for. I didn't want another Chevy so I paid a little extra. In the long run it made me a bit happier and it was nice owning something somewhat rare/different.
Just out of curioustiy: at what price-point will most people in your situation actually buy the dang thing? What if it was 29.99? How cheap are you?
Or better yet why doesn't Ximian offer a student discount?
It blows my mind that hard-core linux types will put 10 hours into figuring out some trivial problem but won't blow 70 dollars on a piece of software that will let them use Exchange.
"So Ted, what did you do today?"
"I wrote a script that gets my email from OWA 2000 and puts it in a comma deliminated file on one of my linux partitions. Then I wrote an app that will take this file and run a fake POP3 server for me to get the emails. Pretty good eh?"
"How much time did you spend on this, Ted?"
"I dunno, 3 or 4 hours."
"Dont you bill $50 an hour."
"Yep."
"Why dont you just buy the damn connector?"
*long pause*
"Cause Stallman says proprietary software is bad? Oh man, I need help."
the first post has links, and this copy cat gets points. metamodders wake up!!!
That's your work account's fault... on the setup here, username = username, as the IMAP server uses the same NIS db as is used for logins...
My biggest complaint with Mozilla 1.4 Mail is that I haven't figured out if I can get it to disconnect from a mail server once it's connected without quitting the app.
I guess 'work offline' will disconnect you.
I connect to three accounts, and there are times that I don't want it to keep checking them all.
Well you could turn off automatic checking ("check every X minutes") for the accounts you only want to check on demand. Then use the little pull-down menu on the "get new messages" button to select the account you want to check.
It's probably not exactly what you want, but close enough. The other way would be to have 3 separate profiles and run 3 instances of moz/thunderbird, but that would be a pain.
Don't know, but what I do know is that the developers have ripped of Mac OS X style customisable toolbars. This is straight plagarism.
I'm already a fan of Firebird. Maybe someone here could answer a question I couldn't find in the FAQ. Can I use Mozilla Mail or Thunderbird to access my Outlook *.pst file to use my stored e-mail addresses (which I keep synced with my palm pilot through Outlook)? I would happily switch over if it did that.
If not, maybe this is a plugin worth making. It would ease the transition of many current Outlook users. Oh, and please don't tell me I can import the addresses. That's no use to me if I can't keep things synchronized with my palm pilot.
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I'm still at a loss on why I would want to switch to Thunderbird when it still has a few bugs (no biggie) but there is no spam filters built into the program. I have also not seen any Anti Virus programs that would work with it also so it's definately not going to ever get on one of my XP machines for sure.
A really great product idea would be for a program that sits on your PC or even hooks into your firewalls hardware/software that would intercept all POP/SMTP/IMAP traffic and scan the files that go through before passing it on to the pc with spam tagging or deletion and AV detection.
Of course I'm basically building almost the same thing with my home mail server using fetchmail/Spamassassin and a yet to be selected antivirus scanner. It would make a great netplaince.
I think however once Thunderbird gets those extras for protection for users it's adoption may speed up greatly.
That annoying problem with closing the window and not being able to get it back--still there. And I still can't import anything from Mail.app into it. I was ready to switch to Thunderbird full-time, but these two things are really stopping me. That said, I like everything else about Thunderbird better than Mail.app, and I'll be switching for good as soon as that annoying window problem is fixed.
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Open Office has a spel checker, gnome has one, firebird has one, why don't they all use the same fabulous one. Less code and more functionality.Just a pasing thought, congratulations to the team.
IMAP gives you full email access. Using WebDAV you have full access to your appointments and tasks and files. Under KDE CVS this is all seemless. Use KMail for Mail access, KOrganizer has direct exchange import support via WebDAV, and you can go into any Konq window and type webdav://your_exchange_server.com/exchange/your_ac count_name/
and browse all your files in Outlook folders.
The outlook folders also all show up in IMAP. Not sure if you can get the files here though.
I think a standard feature on all open source project websites ought to be screenshots.
It is so much easier to see what a product looks like and you can get a better feel for whether or not the UI is going to suite you at all. Just my $0.02.
Sig it.
Also (and I find this a tad stupid), you aparrantly have to specifically mark good emails as NOT JUNK. Just leaving them alone isn't good enough, actually select them all, right-click and choose Mark > As Not Junk. This should help reduce false positives on spam. As for mail going to the outbox folder, I've never heard of that. Would you consider filing a bug in Bugzilla for it to help out the developers? (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org, it doesn't allow direct links from Slashdot).
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It blows my mind that hard-core linux types will put 10 hours into figuring out some trivial problem but won't blow 70 dollars on a piece of software...
Hackers highly value their problem solving abilities. The satisfaction of finding a solution far outways the simplicity of buy it. It's just a matter of what's more valuable to a person, having a solution or building it.
Developers: We can use your help.
Can anyone comment on how well Enigmail works with Thunderbird, under Mac OS X?
It had all that before Exchange and scales even better. And runs on Linux and others.
One big reason I'm still using Communicator for my mail is the javascript mail filters stealth feature. It's really sweet, I can even have the script detect when someone at work has signed me up for a new mailing list, create the proper subfolder, and start filing mail into it. And it's a damn sight better a language than procmail's language is.
I don't suppose Mozilla or Firebird support this, though, do they?
If this is a standalone mail component why the hell does it weigh as much as the complete mozilla builds used to? I take it they're doing something dumb like including the gecko source with thunderbird /and/ firebird, rather than as a separately downloadable library...?
"'I pass the test,' she said. 'I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel.'"
- JRR Tolkien.
Thunderbirds are an Athlon processor made by AMD.
~~I went to battle M.C. Escher, but drew a blank...~~
I already use Mozilla both for mail/news and web.
Why should I switch to Thunder+Fire ?
The fact of both been in the same application wouldn't make it faster ?
I read here that in version 1.6 there will be no more difference. And in 1.5 ?
I would appreciate if someone could clarify!
Thanks!
Thunderbird 0.2 is nice, faster, etc., but as far as I can see they still haven't added an interface for Global LDAP settings. To access my LDAP server, I set it up in Mozilla 1.5b and copied the relevant user_pref's from my Mozilla 1.5b's prefs.js file to my Thunderbird prefs.js. If anyone knows a better way to do this, I'd like to hear about it.
Really, do people think they are trolling when they copy and paste these mindless Netcraft reports?
I'm sure popsykle is just as tired of seeing "* is dying" as everyone else is, and got the morbib curiousity to reply to one. Kinda like when you seriously reply to an obvious email scam you've see hundreds of times in your inbox.
Just trying to do my bit for community service, on the off chance he didn't know.
As for replying seriously to spammers -- that's not morbidly curious, that's masochistic. "We've got a live one, boys!"
i will never download an email client that is bigger than my browser. that is just ridiculous.
Yes. People bitch about Microsoft bloat yet tolerate OSS bloat. What's the problem again?
"Sufferin' succotash."
The only thing I want them to do is document the flippin' API. Would that be so hard? Sitting around guessing at CSS tags makes me absolutely hate the thing. Javascript... sheesh...
For all of you bemoaing the lack of the "groupware" features of Outlook, perhaps you should check out this list. Here's you best answer for Linux in the groupware-space. If your needs aren't met by something on this list, you might as well cozy up to Outlook for the time being. Groupware List
It's so huge because you statically linked it(probably to the MFC library). If you had dynamically linked it it would be well under 100K. MFC is huge, so most people use the MFC dll instead. That way there can be one copy on the system in the system32 directory (I bet most people have this dll already, since quite a few apps use it) and all MFC-based programs can use one copy of it. That makes MFC applications a lot smaller
The downside of dynamic linking is that you have to worry about whether the dll is already there, and if it isn't, how to get it there.
I'm sure there are a lot of programs that use libraries that use the Win32 API instead of MFC. The Win32 API is ugly (and it is a C API, so no pretty objects) and difficult to use, but just sticking to the API results in a much smaller executable. The MFC library contains lots of stuff, 80% of which you will never use.
Eudora has actually come out with a new version that's not just some minor update/bugfix (it's even called a significant update in this review:e wswire/96 761
http://www.eetimes.com/pressreleases/prn
Spam filter even! (though people I talked with who've tried it complained of false positives)
go to the URL about:config, and do the edit there.
Cool huh!