Just out of curiousity, what would Microsofts vested interest be, in the anti-spam business?
bCentral.com and it's marketing product, ListBuilder is wholly owned by Microsoft. They are some of the most unscrupulous web harvesters of unuspecting email adresses around.
One open, free frameworks it's often fixed before you even know about it.
Only if you're willing to stay on the bleeding edge.
I am a developer at one of the web's busiest sites. If we were to incorporate a framework, it wouldn't be very long before our unique requirements (some legacy-driven, some traffic-driven) would require a code fork. There are many reasons why a framework is a useful addition to the codebase and just as many reasons why it is not.
The problem is, by all objective standards, Woody is significantly behind Redhat, SuSE, Mandrake and Yellow Dog (all distributions that I've used extensively) in terms of usability.
This seems to be a standard claim but I've not found it to be true. I started using Debian when I got a new machine and found that that Redhat refused to find the CD-ROM. Since then I've installed Debian 5 or 6 times on a variety of machines and have yet to have any more difficulty with the install than I did with Redhat. Significantly, Debian doesn't do things like installing Sendmail without your knowledge. For a newcomer, this is critical. Unknowingly running a mail server can be a very bad thing.
But as for unlimited damages for fraud and abuse, I think it's a good idea that the US Gov't has the power to bankrupt SPAM companies that lie, cheat and steal. How can I convince my own govrenment (Canada) to do something like this?
get your own government to actually do something useful instead of this piece-of-shit legislation. Here's a quote about it from Spamhaus.org: All todays spammers applaud Tauzin's "Reduction in Distribution of Spam Act", as does the Direct Marketing Association. It's what spammers have always dreamed of. They would no longer need to hide their identities to thwart disconnection, on the contrary, once spamming is legal they would be able to sue any Internet Service Providers who disconnect them for 'spamming legally'.
See http://www.spamhaus.org/news.lasso?article=10 for the whole article then let your congrescritter know whether or not you support them.
How will the President land on an aircraft carrier? War is as much about exciting the citizenry to your cause as it is about defeating an enemy. Peace requires that very dull people shuttle back and forth between very dull places talking about very dull topics. It's not exciting. If you have a dull, un-flashy weapon, you might as well have peace.
I've been in the market for a good developer for over half a year now. As part of the standard interviewing process, I give the applicant my laptop, with a series of programming problems that should take no more than 15 minutes to solve.
You sound like some of the dumbasses I had the misfortune to interview with.
Countless times I was handed a schoolbay programming task (i.e. a problem that nobody in the real world ever faces or has had to solve since they got out of school) and sat there trying to remember back to my CS classes. The funniest part was the several times the interviewer showed my the answer and it was wrong. Of course, I was the one wrong because I couldn't come up with the same wrong answer he had.
Now that I've found a really good job, I'm extemely happy I wasn't forced to work for your ignorant ass. Keep waiting until your Wally shows up - you'll deserve each other.
...the normally fawning technology business press actually takes an HP VP to task for the extremely vague statements...
Right about now, the marketing wankers at HP are on the phone with their advertising agency. Immediately following will be a phone call from the ad agency to the sales department at CNet and that will be the last time this reporter dares to ask tough quesitons. He must be new. It might be interesting, though, to see if this story actually stays up on the website.
You gave up without much of a fight in the desktop market. What makes you think you'll be any more succesful against some very well-established server vendors in the enterprise market? If you can't hack it there either, what's the next step? PDAs?
Is the UN that great? Well no, but it has at least contributed to world peace, stability and such throughout its existence.
It's popular amongst the right-wingers to bash the UN. Keeping the peace is boring, un-flashy work. It consists of groups of drab people shuttling back and forth and doing a lot of very boring talking. It doesn't make headlines and the President doens't get to don a flightsuit and land on an aircraft carrier. Only the failures are ever noticed. On the upside, nobody's children come home in a bag either.
Spam is a tough problem, and it's going to take more than just vigilante action to deal with it.
While I don't consider myself a vigilante, I do use both the SPEWS and Spamcop blacklists for my home server. I think they work wonderfully. I receive 1-2 spams per week. At first , I was worried they would block 'real' emails so I carefully scrutinized my reject logs. It was great to see that there were no false positives being rejected. I still check my logs occasionally, but I have yet to have missed a real email. My server is very small, but I couldn't imagine how a large system could survive the avalance of spam without some sort of blocklisting. For those of you who haven't tried it, I highly recommend it. At a minimum , you can use the blocklists to filter mail into a separate folder where you can then inspect them for accuracy. if you're like me, you'll see the blocklists are very useful and you can safely/dev/null the spammers.
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Maybe I'm getting old, but at one time we just wrote systems that worked without regard to what was in fashion at the time.
Yes, but a horse cart is far less complicated than a Porsche.
Just out of curiousity, what would Microsofts vested interest be, in the anti-spam business?
bCentral.com and it's marketing product, ListBuilder is wholly owned by Microsoft.
They are some of the most unscrupulous web harvesters of unuspecting email adresses around.
One open, free frameworks it's often fixed before you even know about it.
Only if you're willing to stay on the bleeding edge.
I am a developer at one of the web's busiest sites. If we were to incorporate a framework, it wouldn't be very long before our unique requirements (some legacy-driven, some traffic-driven) would require a code fork.
There are many reasons why a framework is a useful addition to the codebase and just as many reasons why it is not.
The problem is, by all objective standards, Woody is significantly behind Redhat, SuSE, Mandrake and Yellow Dog (all distributions that I've used extensively) in terms of usability.
This seems to be a standard claim but I've not found it to be true. I started using Debian when I got a new machine and found that that Redhat refused to find the CD-ROM. Since then I've installed Debian 5 or 6 times on a variety of machines and have yet to have any more difficulty with the install than I did with Redhat. Significantly, Debian doesn't do things like installing Sendmail without your knowledge. For a newcomer, this is critical. Unknowingly running a mail server can be a very bad thing.
There you have it a moral mobster. Someone who does not condone the actions of the US government but overlooks the actions of the mob.
Michael: "My father is no different than any other powerful man -- any man who's responsible for other people, like a senator or president."
Kay: "You know how naive you sound...senators and presidents don't have men killed."
Michael: "Oh, who's being naive, Kay?"
Actually, Igor (pronounced EE'gore)...
Everybody knows it's pronounced 'Eye-gore'. Just ask Frau Bluecher.
But as for unlimited damages for fraud and abuse, I think it's a good idea that the US Gov't has the power to bankrupt SPAM companies that lie, cheat and steal. How can I convince my own govrenment (Canada) to do something like this?
get your own government to actually do something useful instead of this piece-of-shit legislation. Here's a quote about it from Spamhaus.org:
All todays spammers applaud Tauzin's "Reduction in Distribution of Spam Act", as does the Direct Marketing Association. It's what spammers have always dreamed of. They would no longer need to hide their identities to thwart disconnection, on the contrary, once spamming is legal they would be able to sue any Internet Service Providers who disconnect them for 'spamming legally'.
See http://www.spamhaus.org/news.lasso?article=10 for the whole article then let your congrescritter know whether or not you support them.
How will the President land on an aircraft carrier?
War is as much about exciting the citizenry to your cause as it is about defeating an enemy. Peace requires that very dull people shuttle back and forth between very dull places talking about very dull topics. It's not exciting. If you have a dull, un-flashy weapon, you might as well have peace.
What is the National Aeronautics and Space Administration doing spending huge sums studying water?
This actually is a good point. Why isn't NOAA doing this instead?
Shoot, that's good enough for me. Anyone want to by my copy of yesterday's OS?
Thank, but I already have a copy of Windows 2000.
Correction:
2) Release a blindingly obvious paper
All the environmentalists I know would like nothing more than to see the entire human race removed from the planet, preferably violently.
Either you don't actually know any environmentalists or you are hanging out with psychopaths claiming to be environmentalists.
I've been in the market for a good developer for over half a year now. As part of the standard interviewing process, I give the applicant my laptop, with a series of programming problems that should take no more than 15 minutes to solve.
You sound like some of the dumbasses I had the misfortune to interview with.
Countless times I was handed a schoolbay programming task (i.e. a problem that nobody in the real world ever faces or has had to solve since they got out of school) and sat there trying to remember back to my CS classes. The funniest part was the several times the interviewer showed my the answer and it was wrong. Of course, I was the one wrong because I couldn't come up with the same wrong answer he had.
Now that I've found a really good job, I'm extemely happy I wasn't forced to work for your ignorant ass. Keep waiting until your Wally shows up - you'll deserve each other.
Free market, free trade, free information, free software and free beer, what more could a philanthropist ask for?
Free labor.
They might be used by terrorists to plan attacks against Freedom and Civilization!
Undoubtedly these phones will be used to transmit kiddie porn, too. Won't somebody please think of the children?
...the normally fawning technology business press actually takes an HP VP to task for the extremely vague statements...
Right about now, the marketing wankers at HP are on the phone with their advertising agency. Immediately following will be a phone call from the ad agency to the sales department at CNet and that will be the last time this reporter dares to ask tough quesitons. He must be new.
It might be interesting, though, to see if this story actually stays up on the website.
RTFA:
"It's just one of the tactics that should be considered, but I don't favor it at this time,"..
You gave up without much of a fight in the desktop market. What makes you think you'll be any more succesful against some very well-established server vendors in the enterprise market? If you can't hack it there either, what's the next step? PDAs?
...the industry's 'other billionaire,' for being brutal to the competitors while staying within ethical limits...
You must be using a definition of the word 'ethical' that I am not familiar with. Anyone got a dictionary?
Your arbitrary 1M limit only applies to poorly written web applications.
. Sometimes, I can't even login without a browser timeout. Try tribe.net. Similar to Friendster except it actually works.
Whoops, turns out there's no loophole!
There is, actually, one loophole: Any government with a sufficiently large army can unilaterally abrogate any treaty they wish.
Is the UN that great? Well no, but it has at least contributed to world peace, stability and such throughout its existence.
It's popular amongst the right-wingers to bash the UN. Keeping the peace is boring, un-flashy work. It consists of groups of drab people shuttling back and forth and doing a lot of very boring talking. It doesn't make headlines and the President doens't get to don a flightsuit and land on an aircraft carrier. Only the failures are ever noticed. On the upside, nobody's children come home in a bag either.
Spam is a tough problem, and it's going to take more than just vigilante action to deal with it.
While I don't consider myself a vigilante, I do use both the SPEWS and Spamcop blacklists for my home server. I think they work wonderfully. I receive 1-2 spams per week. At first , I was worried they would block 'real' emails so I carefully scrutinized my reject logs. It was great to see that there were no false positives being rejected. I still check my logs occasionally, but I have yet to have missed a real email. My server is very small, but I couldn't imagine how a large system could survive the avalance of spam without some sort of blocklisting. For those of you who haven't tried it, I highly recommend it. At a minimum , you can use the blocklists to filter mail into a separate folder where you can then inspect them for accuracy. if you're like me, you'll see the blocklists are very useful and you can safely
Glad to hear that there is an enforcement of the DNC happening...
I got $20 says AT&T doesn't pay one thin dime of this proposed fine. They're much too wealthy for the laws to apply to them.