Have these people lost their fucking minds? It's a game for jebuz sake.
I haven't read the article, and know zip about this particular game, so I can't speak to this implementation, but only the concept.
Perhaps you are looking at it too narrowly. I for one thought this to be quite a progressive step and one that is consistent and equitable with respect to honoring the rights of all to create and participate in the process, rather than just signing everything away to the corporate monolith as has traditionally been the norm.
As we conduct more and more of our activities in on-line worlds, and our creative works manifest more in the same, then is it not reasonable and natural that those manifestations to serve the same purposes as the goods and services we produce in the wetworld? Think about it: wouldn't it be cool for your "day job" to be blacksmith in an on-line RPG? For now, it may only produce on-line currency that subsidizes your game time, but in the not too distant future, you, and the other users, might become co-creators with the game publisher and actually make a living from it.
It just seems a natural progression of the economy to extend into virtual worlds this way. I'd much rather see this than a bunch of hamburger-flipping losers by day paying corporate giants to play their RPGs in the evening.
Perhaps not as eloquent as Gibson or Stephenson would express it, but do you get what I'm pushing out here?
Thanks for the hand patting, but I was answering a specific inquiry about why the sympathetic frequencies of water were of interest for those who would weaponize microwaves, not joining in the Chicken Little chorus. No harm, no foul (fowl?). I'm a little prone to presumption and overreaction in this forum myself.
I'm not sure I buy the "miles away" argument, though. IMHO, a more likely scenario is that they would be placed in the midst of poor and/or politically marginalized populations, like where we currently get traditional power plants, landfills and the like. Miles away would entail encroachment on environmentally sensitive sites, which are hardly politically marginalized...
California obviously did a much better job of reasoning their settlement through than Florida. In the settlement here, in addition to the consumer vouchers which could be spent on other vendor's products, MS was required to donate some fixed $ value worth of their own software to schools. Not only does this create the scenario the poster described, but the value was set at the retail cost of the software, though MS is out a pittance for each CD. They couldn't buy that kind of marketing?!
Don't know why I'm bothering to reply with anything other than a "fuck you" to some presumptuous jackass that won't even sign the post, but here goes:
1. The vouchers I was offered could also be spent on anyones hardware or software.
2. The donations to schools were of MS products only.
3. The relevant part of my post stands; that by accepting the voucher you are accepting the settlement.
Not sure how I touched such a nerve, but try to get over the generalizing. You don't know a damn thing about me or my sentiments with respect to MS or any other software except what I posted, which is that I don't think the punishment (a bunch of free, locked-in advertising to the State that increases MS marketshare) in the FL settlement fits the "crime".
I wish you fucking flamers would get a damn life or at least just shut up and let civil discourse occur.
That's not a settlement, it's a joke. This way, Microsoft will end up earning more money... Eventually. Give some computers to school etc... Laugh all the way to the bank when they start upgrading/buying additional MS software... Again, this is a joke.
Not to mention the mindshare they will get with the students who used that software in school.
There was a similar settlement here in FL and I rejected the claim form they sent to me for exactly those reasons.
I haven't read the CA settlement, but I'd guess it's worded very similar to FLs. Everyone who cashes one of those vouchers should be aware they are accepting the terms of the settlement as reasonable and fair, and are almost certainly giving up their right to make any other claim against MS.
World Wide Web implies that the patent only applies to using the hypertext transfer protocol.
Sorry, but that's incorrect. WWW uses any number of protocols and has since day one. HTTP is just a specialized protocol for the hypertext aspect. ftp, gopher, wais (remember those?) and many others are also considered part of WWW.
Certainly. In the absence of an agreement the rights are retained by the holder, ergo SCO can't claim rights to the GPLed code even if the GPL is not valid. Nonetheless, if the copyright holder agrees to allow redistribution rights only to those who would honor the conditions of the GPL, that is their right given the monopoly over control conferred by copyright. All of which makes it impossible for me to fathom how the GPL could be "invalidated".
...the long-missing "cocoon" scene was edited back in brilliantly
Was this scene actually missing from the original releases? Was it in previous VHS or TV versions? I could swear I've seen it before. I did read the movie novel as a kid before I ever saw the film, though, so it's possible I crossed signals from the story w/ scenes from Aliens and concocted that image for myself.
Also...
In older versions, when Brett is washing his face in the falling water just before he's killed, can you see the alien curled among the cables and stuff that hang from the ceiling ? This was one of several things that I couldn't tell if it was new footage or just detail I'd never noticed on the small screen.
Was Brett's death scene was shortened? I could have sworn there were a couple more seconds in the version I've seen previously where you see him, impaled, being lifted slowly into the air. In the new release, it's like he is just swept away.
Is it obvious in older versions that Ripley is experimenting with different gases when trying to drive the alien out of the shuttle bulkhead? This too could be a level of detail I just missed on the small screen.
Were there clips in the audio similar to how TV films are edited to silence offensive words, Particularly on god-damn? (Parker rejecting the idea of drawing straws for the shuttle is one place I noticed this).
If the GPL is declared null and void, then you revert back to conventional copyright law which doesn't allow redistribution in the first place.
Says who? That may be how the RIAA has programmed people to believe copyright works because it is how they work, but such a restriction is simply an artifact of the way copyrighted material is conventionally licensed.
IAALs please chime in: Is there anything in any copyright law that forbids redistribution under limited or unlimited terms if it is permitted by the copyright holder?
I know we're getting way OT here, but you mention a couple of things I hear cited a lot without much context.
The top 10% pay 90% of the taxes.
And yet they are still solidly the top 10%. Imagine that. I'm more interested in where they would be. Where are they going to enjoy the quality of life they have in the US without going to a country that is more socialist. I am assuming you don't expect Donald Trump to go live in a heavily guarded plantation in the jungles of Central America a'la Pablo Escobar just to dodge his taxes.
Obviously, I'm jerking you around a bit. I believe you meant they would just move their businesses offshore while themselves maintaining the benefits of US citizenship. Guess what, they're doing that anyway, driven not by tax rates but by the fact that they can pay less for workers in the third-world. Who cares that they expand the ranks of that 90% they don't want to help.
I'm more concerned about the concentration in the top 1% and the squeezing of the middle class (and yes, I'm aware just how far downward the top 10% reaches) who ultimately suffer the worst in this playing-the-rich-against-the-poor game.
Also, a note was that to get the "balanced budget" the military was cut down to a force smaller than that of pre-perl harbor.
And a tiny missile crew can now land a Tomahawk with the munition of your choice a thousand miles away (please pardon any range inaccuracy, I'm not a tactical weapons expert). The point being that size and capability are not interchangeable. If the military is up to its job, then numbers truly don't matter.
Note: I'm not saying that there may not be real problems with the current force levels (evidence seems to suggest there are definitely some problems of overextension) but that comparing today to pre-Pearl Harbor is a fairly meaningless platitude.
Oh, you said perl harbor. I thought we were talking politics, but apparently the subject is programming languages. Good. I actually know something about that...:-)
Interesting how the deficit keeps getting adjusted DOWN. Even the NYT (Krugman's hole in the wall) agrees Bush gets the credit for that.
Isn't that a little like raising your prices by 50%, then lowering by 10% and advertising a sale?
Unless I'm misinformed (which is highly likely given how much of my news I get from slashdot) most of the current deficit developed on Bush's watch.
what will the angry left bitch about then?
I'm sure they'll think of something. Never underestimate the ability of the self-righteous of any political stripe to find or create villians of their cause.
My money's on A, the tax hike, which will happen once people get flustered by the deficit and vote in a Democrat. Of course, the Republicans will rage against said hike and turn it into their next point of entry. This is just one of many ways they keep their exclusive pendulum swinging.
FYI: Sound travels very effectively (in fact faster) through water or steel also. Lots of trolling and misinformation on this thread. May as well add my own...
Sound is generally defined as a compression wave through a medium, therefore any material capable of bearing a compression wave will transmit sound. For example, you could imagine that the waves lapping up on the beach are sound. You just have to transpose them to a pitch high enough for human ears to detect.
I haven't read the details of the article yet, but based on similar stories I have read recently, I think the author is probably describing this kind of excercise, taking a wave propogation phenomena that we would not perceive as sound (remember lots of things beside sound are wavelike, e.g. the electromagnetic spectrum) and transposing or amplifying it into the range of human audiological sense.
Do a google for Fiorella Terenzi. She has done some really neat recordings based on transposing and manipulating audio data from astronomical sources.
homeless and unemployed can not afford to have children
Excuse me? Are you serious?! Have you not noticed that it is exactly the poor that are overproducing?
To address your point, however: has it ever occured to you that the development of the human intellect and our broader social tendencies is itself an evolutionary step and that the survival of the community is as significant as factor in the long term survivability of the species as the propagation of individual genetic material.
This is hardly a radical idea, and can be witnessed in nature all the way down (at least) to hive insects. Evolution is considerably more subtle than the simple-minded version presented to justify the out-of-control greed of individuals.
Witness many Eastern European names to see further evidence. My theory was always that vowels that disappeared in Poland turned up in India and various Southeast Asian countries...
It's not going to help the influx of spam from China, Taiwan or Russia, which is where I seem to receive most of my spam.
No, it won't. But with a national policy with force of law against spam, all we (as admins) have to do is block mail from countries that refuse to abide by similar policies. If those countries want to communicate with the US, they will address their own spam problems.
I do not like the idea of Balkanizing the Net, but spam is an unsupportable catastrophe of scale that has to be stopped even if the surgery required is invasive. As long as the law criminalizes behavior rather than technology, I'm all for it...
On another point you made: subsidized or not, filters from commercial companies are bullshit. I should not have to pay to not receive crap I don't want.
Making a stupid statement in a press release and actually starting a lawsuit are not the same thing.
Apologies for carrying this on long past it's useful lifetime, but I'm just trying to point out here that with so many legitimate things to freak/speak out about, hysteria over non-issues is counterproductive. The reasoned debate gets drowned out by the ranting and raving...
I share your concerns on most levels, but please keep the facts straight. Noone got sued over the shift key despite Sunncomm's initial threat. They wisely backed down and they aren't the first. Jon Johansen was acquited (though the Norwegian system allows for an as yet unresolved prosecutorial appeal). It sucks ass that people like JJ have to pay to be the guinea pigs for these cases, but the final verdict is not in, and these cases will ultimately determine the fate of these ridiculous overreaches.
DMCA has yet to be fully tested in court, and could very well be gutted or significantly reworked in coming years as its true implications are recognized. For example, the Chamberlain Group v. Skylink Technologies case recently dealt a setback to DMCA with the judge's refusal of summary judgement based on the DMCA-violation of a cloned garage door opener.
The old Irish curse comes to mind: may you live in interesting times. We certainly do...
Your arguments are well thought out and I do tend to agree with pretty much everything you say, but I think the consumer backlash against an all-out denial of copying we've come to expect as reasonable is inevitable if they take that tack. I almost think it would be good to see that happen as it would bring this arcane issue that currently only affects the technological elite to the foreground of general consumer awareness.
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I haven't read the article, and know zip about this particular game, so I can't speak to this implementation, but only the concept.
Perhaps you are looking at it too narrowly. I for one thought this to be quite a progressive step and one that is consistent and equitable with respect to honoring the rights of all to create and participate in the process, rather than just signing everything away to the corporate monolith as has traditionally been the norm.
As we conduct more and more of our activities in on-line worlds, and our creative works manifest more in the same, then is it not reasonable and natural that those manifestations to serve the same purposes as the goods and services we produce in the wetworld? Think about it: wouldn't it be cool for your "day job" to be blacksmith in an on-line RPG? For now, it may only produce on-line currency that subsidizes your game time, but in the not too distant future, you, and the other users, might become co-creators with the game publisher and actually make a living from it.
It just seems a natural progression of the economy to extend into virtual worlds this way. I'd much rather see this than a bunch of hamburger-flipping losers by day paying corporate giants to play their RPGs in the evening.
Perhaps not as eloquent as Gibson or Stephenson would express it, but do you get what I'm pushing out here?
Thanks for the hand patting, but I was answering a specific inquiry about why the sympathetic frequencies of water were of interest for those who would weaponize microwaves, not joining in the Chicken Little chorus. No harm, no foul (fowl?). I'm a little prone to presumption and overreaction in this forum myself.
I'm not sure I buy the "miles away" argument, though. IMHO, a more likely scenario is that they would be placed in the midst of poor and/or politically marginalized populations, like where we currently get traditional power plants, landfills and the like. Miles away would entail encroachment on environmentally sensitive sites, which are hardly politically marginalized...
The human body is ~70% water. Get the (unpleasant) picture?
California obviously did a much better job of reasoning their settlement through than Florida. In the settlement here, in addition to the consumer vouchers which could be spent on other vendor's products, MS was required to donate some fixed $ value worth of their own software to schools. Not only does this create the scenario the poster described, but the value was set at the retail cost of the software, though MS is out a pittance for each CD. They couldn't buy that kind of marketing?!
Don't know why I'm bothering to reply with anything other than a "fuck you" to some presumptuous jackass that won't even sign the post, but here goes:
1. The vouchers I was offered could also be spent on anyones hardware or software.
2. The donations to schools were of MS products only.
3. The relevant part of my post stands; that by accepting the voucher you are accepting the settlement.
Not sure how I touched such a nerve, but try to get over the generalizing. You don't know a damn thing about me or my sentiments with respect to MS or any other software except what I posted, which is that I don't think the punishment (a bunch of free, locked-in advertising to the State that increases MS marketshare) in the FL settlement fits the "crime".
I wish you fucking flamers would get a damn life or at least just shut up and let civil discourse occur.
Not to mention the mindshare they will get with the students who used that software in school.
There was a similar settlement here in FL and I rejected the claim form they sent to me for exactly those reasons.
I haven't read the CA settlement, but I'd guess it's worded very similar to FLs. Everyone who cashes one of those vouchers should be aware they are accepting the terms of the settlement as reasonable and fair, and are almost certainly giving up their right to make any other claim against MS.
No need to. You proved it yourself by this post, which required at least a networking subsystem and console access to HTTP.
Yes. Note that HTTP is listed as an example protocol, not the only one. Hypertext is vital, but needn't be HTML nor delivered over HTTP.
Only if those parties were responsible for maiming and killing hundreds of thousands of people
Sorry, but that's incorrect. WWW uses any number of protocols and has since day one. HTTP is just a specialized protocol for the hypertext aspect. ftp, gopher, wais (remember those?) and many others are also considered part of WWW.
Certainly. In the absence of an agreement the rights are retained by the holder, ergo SCO can't claim rights to the GPLed code even if the GPL is not valid. Nonetheless, if the copyright holder agrees to allow redistribution rights only to those who would honor the conditions of the GPL, that is their right given the monopoly over control conferred by copyright. All of which makes it impossible for me to fathom how the GPL could be "invalidated".
Was this scene actually missing from the original releases? Was it in previous VHS or TV versions? I could swear I've seen it before. I did read the movie novel as a kid before I ever saw the film, though, so it's possible I crossed signals from the story w/ scenes from Aliens and concocted that image for myself.
Also...
In older versions, when Brett is washing his face in the falling water just before he's killed, can you see the alien curled among the cables and stuff that hang from the ceiling ? This was one of several things that I couldn't tell if it was new footage or just detail I'd never noticed on the small screen.
Was Brett's death scene was shortened? I could have sworn there were a couple more seconds in the version I've seen previously where you see him, impaled, being lifted slowly into the air. In the new release, it's like he is just swept away.
Is it obvious in older versions that Ripley is experimenting with different gases when trying to drive the alien out of the shuttle bulkhead? This too could be a level of detail I just missed on the small screen.
Were there clips in the audio similar to how TV films are edited to silence offensive words, Particularly on god-damn? (Parker rejecting the idea of drawing straws for the shuttle is one place I noticed this).
Says who? That may be how the RIAA has programmed people to believe copyright works because it is how they work, but such a restriction is simply an artifact of the way copyrighted material is conventionally licensed.
IAALs please chime in: Is there anything in any copyright law that forbids redistribution under limited or unlimited terms if it is permitted by the copyright holder?
And yet they are still solidly the top 10%. Imagine that. I'm more interested in where they would be. Where are they going to enjoy the quality of life they have in the US without going to a country that is more socialist. I am assuming you don't expect Donald Trump to go live in a heavily guarded plantation in the jungles of Central America a'la Pablo Escobar just to dodge his taxes.
Obviously, I'm jerking you around a bit. I believe you meant they would just move their businesses offshore while themselves maintaining the benefits of US citizenship. Guess what, they're doing that anyway, driven not by tax rates but by the fact that they can pay less for workers in the third-world. Who cares that they expand the ranks of that 90% they don't want to help.
I'm more concerned about the concentration in the top 1% and the squeezing of the middle class (and yes, I'm aware just how far downward the top 10% reaches) who ultimately suffer the worst in this playing-the-rich-against-the-poor game.
And a tiny missile crew can now land a Tomahawk with the munition of your choice a thousand miles away (please pardon any range inaccuracy, I'm not a tactical weapons expert). The point being that size and capability are not interchangeable. If the military is up to its job, then numbers truly don't matter.
Note: I'm not saying that there may not be real problems with the current force levels (evidence seems to suggest there are definitely some problems of overextension) but that comparing today to pre-Pearl Harbor is a fairly meaningless platitude.
Oh, you said perl harbor. I thought we were talking politics, but apparently the subject is programming languages. Good. I actually know something about that...
Isn't that a little like raising your prices by 50%, then lowering by 10% and advertising a sale?
Unless I'm misinformed (which is highly likely given how much of my news I get from slashdot) most of the current deficit developed on Bush's watch.
I'm sure they'll think of something. Never underestimate the ability of the self-righteous of any political stripe to find or create villians of their cause.
My money's on A, the tax hike, which will happen once people get flustered by the deficit and vote in a Democrat. Of course, the Republicans will rage against said hike and turn it into their next point of entry. This is just one of many ways they keep their exclusive pendulum swinging.
noone can hear you troll.
FYI: Sound travels very effectively (in fact faster) through water or steel also. Lots of trolling and misinformation on this thread. May as well add my own...
Sound is generally defined as a compression wave through a medium, therefore any material capable of bearing a compression wave will transmit sound.
For example, you could imagine that the waves lapping up on the beach are sound. You just have to transpose them to a pitch high enough for human ears to detect.
I haven't read the details of the article yet, but based on similar stories I have read recently, I think the author is probably describing this kind of excercise, taking a wave propogation phenomena that we would not perceive as sound (remember lots of things beside sound are wavelike, e.g. the electromagnetic spectrum) and transposing or amplifying it into the range of human audiological sense.
Do a google for Fiorella Terenzi. She has done some really neat recordings based on transposing and manipulating audio data from astronomical sources.
Excuse me? Are you serious?! Have you not noticed that it is exactly the poor that are overproducing?
To address your point, however: has it ever occured to you that the development of the human intellect and our broader social tendencies is itself an evolutionary step and that the survival of the community is as significant as factor in the long term survivability of the species as the propagation of individual genetic material.
This is hardly a radical idea, and can be witnessed in nature all the way down (at least) to hive insects. Evolution is considerably more subtle than the simple-minded version presented to justify the out-of-control greed of individuals.
I'd like to see you apply this theory to /. trolling. :-)
Witness many Eastern European names to see further evidence. My theory was always that vowels that disappeared in Poland turned up in India and various Southeast Asian countries...
No, it won't. But with a national policy with force of law against spam, all we (as admins) have to do is block mail from countries that refuse to abide by similar policies. If those countries want to communicate with the US, they will address their own spam problems.
I do not like the idea of Balkanizing the Net, but spam is an unsupportable catastrophe of scale that has to be stopped even if the surgery required is invasive. As long as the law criminalizes behavior rather than technology, I'm all for it...
On another point you made: subsidized or not, filters from commercial companies are bullshit. I should not have to pay to not receive crap I don't want.
Making a stupid statement in a press release and actually starting a lawsuit are not the same thing.
Apologies for carrying this on long past it's useful lifetime, but I'm just trying to point out here that with so many legitimate things to freak/speak out about, hysteria over non-issues is counterproductive. The reasoned debate gets drowned out by the ranting and raving...
I share your concerns on most levels, but please keep the facts straight. Noone got sued over the shift key despite Sunncomm's initial threat. They wisely backed down and they aren't the first. Jon Johansen was acquited (though the Norwegian system allows for an as yet unresolved prosecutorial appeal). It sucks ass that people like JJ have to pay to be the guinea pigs for these cases, but the final verdict is not in, and these cases will ultimately determine the fate of these ridiculous overreaches.
DMCA has yet to be fully tested in court, and could very well be gutted or significantly reworked in coming years as its true implications are recognized. For example, the Chamberlain Group v. Skylink Technologies case recently dealt a setback to DMCA with the judge's refusal of summary judgement based on the DMCA-violation of a cloned garage door opener.
The old Irish curse comes to mind: may you live in interesting times. We certainly do...
Your arguments are well thought out and I do tend to agree with pretty much everything you say, but I think the consumer backlash against an all-out denial of copying we've come to expect as reasonable is inevitable if they take that tack. I almost think it would be good to see that happen as it would bring this arcane issue that currently only affects the technological elite to the foreground of general consumer awareness.