"This situation is better modeled as follows: one guy is sitting there with his finger extended, and someone else comes along later and touches it."
Sounds like a monty python sketch. But yes, that is what happened. And since the first one was available and active first, he was the first node. Voila. Anybody still have questions?
To put this tired dead thing ANOTHER way, say all computers on the internet are already connected, but none of them are powered on. None. Uno Menos Uno=Cero. He flips his on first. He's the first node. The others, being non-functional, might as well be toasters. This proves that whether others are connected or not, or when, the first one to "power up" in internet mode, with NCP (i believe) and wait for other computers, is the first node.
" The full article is at: http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:Y4rhKB1vHPQC: www.smartcard.co.uk/resources/articles/d-davies.ht ml+inventor+packet+switching&hl=en&ie=UTF- 8"
Hey, if you put that URL between
<a href="
and
">LINK</a>
, you won't look like such a noob:) Also, feel free to change the LINK text. Just trying to help.
Sticking with my Wal-Mart metaphor, Wal-Mart can't have a first store? Only a first pair?
He had a concept. He had a well-defined idea of what it would become. He set up his computer with TCP/IP first. And so it grew. If he invented the idea and the other guy comes along and says, "Okay, I'll connect to you," he was first.
"When you watch this ep, you're lead to believe that the Riker duplicate was going for the 'greater good' trying to uncover some Cardassian plot. What was really going on was he was hoping to quickly turn himself into a hero, even if it meant death for him."
While you have a point, it always irritates me when someone has a twin who shows up, and then gets killed the same episode. That's so lame and uncreative. The other thing that happens is that the twin goes off forever and never affects the "original" character's life in any manner ever again. Once you pull the twin thing, the only non-predictable thing to do is routinely incorporate the twin in future episodes/movies, even if only ever now and then.
"Pretty impressive, but you still can't get the constrasts and subtle shadows and depth that you can get with film"
This sounds like one of those statements from someone who really doesn't understand the physics behind a thing, and just likes something because it's always been like that. "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc," which is categorized as a logic fallacy. Whether you use a sheet of film or a digital collector (CMOS/CCD), the same photons will be hitting the device. Contrast MAY be an issue, but shadows and depth? These are qualities of an image that are not alterable by how you capture the image. And as for contrast, I just read an article in Photo magazine that showed full-page images, and at the end, disclosed that they were digital shots. I was burning time at a barnes and noble, so I'm afraid I can't tell you which issue, but it's not even a secret that some serious world-renowned photographers are going digital. The shortfalls are quickly disappearing.
"A real health care system does not have to be government provided. Ass."
Please bother to read the prior items in the thread next time. He was referring to health care systems such as those in europe. Britain and many others, including europe-like systems such as canada, are gov't provided.
"This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane."
"It should be a surprise because you think that all is USA.
So you have discovered USA is not the center of the universe and SO??"
Hahahaha. I have to belly-laugh, because this is just what I expected. Europeans all feel so put-upon by the US, that any time any report shows they might be gaining on us in some sector, they all do their happy-dance and go Nyaa Nyaa. We (US) probably made the report up just to give you something to smile about. We're nice like that.
Oh, and BTW. We are still the center. I'm glad you spelled it right.
"We can learn not to embrace socialism, and then we won't ever find ourselves lagging 5 years behind when a new technology appears. And we could also learn to provide a real health care system and to prevent lawyers from making doctors lives hell but that's a lot harder."
I just find it funny that you bash socialism in one sentence, and in the next, you imply you want gov't-provided healthcare, which is a socialist invention.
"That I alluded to a saying while not quoting it directly does not mean that I do not know the saying, moron.
Please stop writing. It just makes you look bad."
Hehehe.. The only thing that is possibly making me look bad is the fact that I trying to educate you. Many people told me it was a worthless venture. But I think I see a glimmer of hope somewhere in your vacuous cranium.
I would really like to know where you get your statistics. Chances are you live in some mountains. Everyone there may throw in an extra letter in their words, but I can guarantee you that *most* Americans dont. I've been to New Jersey Michigan, Florida, and Washington State. I worked at a national computer helpdesk for almost 4 years. I've spoken to probably hundreds of people per state. *Most* people are satisfied with the number of letters in a word to begin with, and don't throw in an 'R' at any time.
That being said, I *do* know 2 people, one from indiana, and one from somewhere in the mideast, that pronounce 'Wash' as 'Worsh', and leave off 'To be' in their infinitive verbs, such as 'That dog needs worshed', but they are the gross, gross, almost statistically invisible minority.
"Fibre" is the french spelling of the word "Fiber." In english, the word is pronounced "FY-ber". In french, it's roughly pronounced "FIB-ruh".
The french version of this word belongs in an enlish sentence about as much as the russian equivalent does. Same thing goes for theatER. We don't say "THEE-a-truh" so let's not spell it that way.
If you want to make a sentence, pick one language for the whole thing please.
"Sharps Linux-based Zaurus SL-5500 is a wonderfull PDA"
Wow. I didn't know Sharps had anything to do with computers, let alone Linux. I remember when they just did medical waste disposal. Seems everybody's branching out these days...
"i pity those who must rely on mythology in order to feel safe."
likewise, I pity those who must think they are related to animals to further the desire to believe that they are just animals and hence can do whatever they wish.
does it make you feel superior to me to believe that you know the entire mystery of the universe, namely that there is none?
"opiate of the masses. maybe you will one day understand that marx was 100% on target when he said that."
that's funny. one day you'll understand that these days, even Marx knows he was wrong.
hey, why dont you just join the flat earth society, their positions are as rasonable and as well founded as yours."
Wow, some geek on slashdot slamming someone of faith. You're so original. You act as though what I say threatens you, with this defensive response. You are allowed to believe what you believe, but I am not, apparently. What a sad individual.
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"This situation is better modeled as follows: one guy is sitting there with his finger extended, and someone else comes along later and touches it."
Sounds like a monty python sketch. But yes, that is what happened. And since the first one was available and active first, he was the first node.
Voila. Anybody still have questions?
To put this tired dead thing ANOTHER way, say all computers on the internet are already connected, but none of them are powered on. None. Uno Menos Uno=Cero. He flips his on first. He's the first node. The others, being non-functional, might as well be toasters. This proves that whether others are connected or not, or when, the first one to "power up" in internet mode, with NCP (i believe) and wait for other computers, is the first node.
*sigh*
*again*
"Remember Larry, one cannot propel one's self forward by patting one's own back."
Let the guy be fucking proud in himself for attempting a challenge, huh? Sounds like you wish you were doing more.
Hey, if you put that URL between and , you won't look like such a noob
Sticking with my Wal-Mart metaphor, Wal-Mart can't have a first store? Only a first pair?
He had a concept. He had a well-defined idea of what it would become. He set up his computer with TCP/IP first. And so it grew. If he invented the idea and the other guy comes along and says, "Okay, I'll connect to you," he was first.
"The "first node of the Internet?" You can't have an Internet with only one node."
And I suppose Wal-Mart can't have a chain of stores planned if they've only so far built one of them?
twit.
If his computer was the first on a network/protocol that grew from there, then yes, he was the first node.
"When you watch this ep, you're lead to believe that the Riker duplicate was going for the 'greater good' trying to uncover some Cardassian plot. What was really going on was he was hoping to quickly turn himself into a hero, even if it meant death for him."
While you have a point, it always irritates me when someone has a twin who shows up, and then gets killed the same episode. That's so lame and uncreative. The other thing that happens is that the twin goes off forever and never affects the "original" character's life in any manner ever again. Once you pull the twin thing, the only non-predictable thing to do is routinely incorporate the twin in future episodes/movies, even if only ever now and then.
I would pay Berman/Braga et al $20 if they have teenage daughters who would give me a lapdance.
"Pretty impressive, but you still can't get the constrasts and subtle shadows and depth that you can get with film"
This sounds like one of those statements from someone who really doesn't understand the physics behind a thing, and just likes something because it's always been like that. "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc," which is categorized as a logic fallacy. Whether you use a sheet of film or a digital collector (CMOS/CCD), the same photons will be hitting the device. Contrast MAY be an issue, but shadows and depth? These are qualities of an image that are not alterable by how you capture the image. And as for contrast, I just read an article in Photo magazine that showed full-page images, and at the end, disclosed that they were digital shots. I was burning time at a barnes and noble, so I'm afraid I can't tell you which issue, but it's not even a secret that some serious world-renowned photographers are going digital. The shortfalls are quickly disappearing.
"A real health care system does not have to be government provided. Ass."
Please bother to read the prior items in the thread next time. He was referring to health care systems such as those in europe. Britain and many others, including europe-like systems such as canada, are gov't provided.
*Yawn* Too many kiddies out today.
"This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane."
remember that part?
"It should be a surprise because you think that all
is USA.
So you have discovered USA is not the center of the universe and SO??"
Hahahaha. I have to belly-laugh, because this is just what I expected. Europeans all feel so put-upon by the US, that any time any report shows they might be gaining on us in some sector, they all do their happy-dance and go Nyaa Nyaa. We (US) probably made the report up just to give you something to smile about. We're nice like that.
Oh, and BTW. We are still the center. I'm glad you spelled it right.
"We can learn not to embrace socialism, and then we won't ever find ourselves lagging 5 years behind when a new technology appears. And we could also learn to provide a real health care system and to prevent lawyers from making doctors lives hell but that's a lot harder."
I just find it funny that you bash socialism in one sentence, and in the next, you imply you want gov't-provided healthcare, which is a socialist invention.
"Now `Outnumber "
I thought slashdot wasn't going to continue to use directional apostrophes, which don't show properly on every machine.
Other than that, look at the number of people in europe vs/us+canada, and draw your own conclusions.
"Good god, what do you have to fill the vacuum in your head, a potato?"
You can't use the vacuous head thing, moron. I used it first. Try to be a little more crative hmm?
"That I alluded to a saying while not quoting it directly does not mean that I do not know the saying, moron.
Please stop writing. It just makes you look bad."
Hehehe.. The only thing that is possibly making me look bad is the fact that I trying to educate you. Many people told me it was a worthless venture. But I think I see a glimmer of hope somewhere in your vacuous cranium.
"Given your own displayed lack of ability to reliably compose complete, coherent sentences, you are throwing stones from a glass house."
Given your own pathetic lack of ability to handle even the most basic of colloquial phrases, you are just being a dick.
Notice I don't use trite overused phrases. Neither should you.
"
"I never appologies, I'm sorry that's just the way it is." - Homer Simpson "
Good fucking heavens, man. Where the fuck did you learn to spell?
Oh, and slashdot moderators are THE COOLEST PEOPLE ON THE ENTIRE PLANET!! WOW! LOVE THEM MODS!
I may be a bit sappy, but I looked at the picture first. When I read that it was his sister and gf in the middle, I got goosebumps. That is very cool.
"Most Americans pronounce [Fiber] Farber."
I would really like to know where you get your statistics. Chances are you live in some mountains. Everyone there may throw in an extra letter in their words, but I can guarantee you that *most* Americans dont. I've been to New Jersey Michigan, Florida, and Washington State. I worked at a national computer helpdesk for almost 4 years. I've spoken to probably hundreds of people per state. *Most* people are satisfied with the number of letters in a word to begin with, and don't throw in an 'R' at any time.
That being said, I *do* know 2 people, one from indiana, and one from somewhere in the mideast, that pronounce 'Wash' as 'Worsh', and leave off 'To be' in their infinitive verbs, such as 'That dog needs worshed', but they are the gross, gross, almost statistically invisible minority.
As well they should be.
"But wehy do you expect Apple to pay for you to do this?"
I'm still trying to figure out what the fuck that means.
"Fibre" is the french spelling of the word "Fiber." In english, the word is pronounced "FY-ber". In french, it's roughly pronounced "FIB-ruh".
The french version of this word belongs in an enlish sentence about as much as the russian equivalent does. Same thing goes for theatER. We don't say "THEE-a-truh" so let's not spell it that way.
If you want to make a sentence, pick one language for the whole thing please.
"Can't be done. Everywhere I look, I see 1GHz+ systems. I could find 500 MHz K6 CPUs, but that was about the lowest"
First place I would look is in a tupperware bin at the local mom-and-pop computer joint, next to the 30-pin simms.
"Sharps Linux-based Zaurus SL-5500 is a wonderfull PDA"
Wow. I didn't know Sharps had anything to do with computers, let alone Linux. I remember when they just did medical waste disposal. Seems everybody's branching out these days...
"i pity those who must rely on mythology in order to feel safe."
;-)
likewise, I pity those who must think they are related to animals to further the desire to believe that they are just animals and hence can do whatever they wish.
does it make you feel superior to me to believe that you know the entire mystery of the universe, namely that there is none?
"opiate of the masses. maybe you will one day understand that marx was 100% on target when he said that."
that's funny. one day you'll understand that these days, even Marx knows he was wrong.
All atheists eventually believe in God.
"we're discussing science, and not mythology.
hey, why dont you just join the flat earth society, their positions are as rasonable and as well founded as yours."
Wow, some geek on slashdot slamming someone of faith. You're so original. You act as though what I say threatens you, with this defensive response. You are allowed to believe what you believe, but I am not, apparently. What a sad individual.