Your legal analgoue is so far off it makes me wonder if you have the slightest idea what you're talking about. This would be more like letting their building fall into disrepair so they fail to pass fire code, but they repair the building before anything happens. The crime is NOT on par with someone getting hurt, since nobody has been harmed(unless SCO straining their bullshit glands counts).
IMMATERIAL. You cannot just "take back" code and say everything is OK.
Why not? Since the code was never used for commercial purposes, since it's not hard to delete versions of the kernel which contain offending code, since it's an open, public project being contributed to for free, and since the code has been changed, why isn't it enough to just remove the offending code and call it OK?
MAY HAVE BEEN, according to SGI. However they were concerned enough to remove the code.
You seem to have no experience with potential liability in a company. When given the choice between spending a little money to remove suspect code which may well be perfectly fine, and leaving it in, and subjecting itself to the risk of liability, the vast majority of companies I've worked for will err on the side of safety.
(Loss leader? I should stop using words when I only have an inkling to their true meaning. It does save 5-10%, even in the worst case scenario, and when we're talking millions of dollars, that's not small potatoes)
While their efforts are a bit misguided, they do have a point. Leaving out any exception allowing commercial software to be used is downright silly, and it could not only hurt developers of custom solutions, but the users in government of said solutions, who would have to take dramatic steps to ensure they could do their jobs!
I do take issue at the silliness of their TCO arguement though -- any software will require retraining, even, in some instances, updates between versions (For instance, the last place I worked has spent good sums of money on training for techs trying to upgrade their aging Windows NT 4.0 servers to a Windows 2000 ActiveDirectory platform, and the entire staff was retrained to some degree when we upgraded from NT4 to Windows 2000), and the fact that software does, even in their worst-case theoretical model, constitute 5-10% of the total cost, make it a loss leader even before you factor in the lowered costs due to reduced virus proliferation.
Jesus. That's strange. I'm in Electrical Engineering, and in our class of 100, there are 4 women. Can't speak for chemical engineering at our college though...
I think you're living in a dream world. It takes more than a nice set of threads to get laid. Getting out of anything involving engineering is a good start. Try getting into business. Human resources. Stuff like that.
Engineering, and by extention, computer engineering, is very much a manly thing. Too manly. If you don't believe me, just take a look at the (anything) engineering classes at the local college or university. Not all engineers are pasty nerds, but they ARE almost all men.
The Radeon 9600XT and Radeon 9800XT are so advanced, their names stand for "eXtended Technology". Unfortunately, this means that we had to break SOME backwards compatibility with older versions.
OpenGL support? Well, specific applications can choose to support it in MS-DOS, and our video subsystems are so fast, it will only take SEVEN HOURS AND TEN SECONDS to run the "draw wine glass" benchmark popularized by SGI! The 9800XT can even do this in STUNNING CGA COLOUR!
DirectX? You must mean direct framebuffer access. Yes, our systems indeed have full access to the the 0xA000 and 0xB800 segments, and the CGA registers as well, so programmers can have full, lightning fast access to the stunning high resolution graphics!
The Radeon 9600 XT runs at a whopping 4.77Mhz, and boasts an unbelievable 640kb of onboard ram! It also has state-of-the art, high resolution monochrome graphics(710x480), and is more than enough for all your computing needs. The Radeon 9800 XT takes that same incredible system and adds a gargantuan 5Mb Hard drive and stunning CGA graphics!
I have, but admittedly I wasn't the one responsible for setting up the network or the laptop, so it could be a problem addressed before I had a chance to test the network(it was only a few weeks old at that point though...). My only wireless experience
I wonder if it would be possible to create a patch which could move the relevant DLL files responsible for things such as the speedier disk transfer speeds under NTFS or the better wireless networking into 2k. If that was possible, we could take the few minor flaws in 2k (or the few minor enhancements in XP) and fix them...
Win2k is far superior to WinXP in every concievable way ever. Don't forget that. It's faster, more stable, more versatile, more robust, has a nicer car, a cuter girlfreind and is better in bed.
Theoretically XP is faster in some areas, but theoretically, communism works. No wonder Microsoft was so quick to ditch win2k!
Sod off. If stating my opinion is a troll, then every post ever written beyond purely technical "To print onto the screen, you can use the printf statement in C, but that's just one of many ways to do it" is a troll.
It's not.
So, you work for Microsoft? If you don't you're just being an arrogant fool stating things so surely. Seeing as Microsoft made XP, I see no reason to believe that the rubber room UI isn't going to be a constant trend continued in Longhorn.
Your attitude is going to draw so many Linux newbie converts, I'm sure.
So? Who gives a fuck about linux? Who said I'm even talking about linux as an alternative? Linux is a nightmare in the other direction. You know what you want to do but not exactly how to do it? well I hope your network connection is running, because there isn't a unified control panel to change it, and you're probably going to have to type some arcane spells into the command line to get what you want to happen to work. Want to install some software? Well I hope it comes with an installer, because if it doesn't, you're not going to get any nice icons on the desktop or in the KDE or Gnome menus, that's for certain! You're probably going to have to rpm -q or something like that to figure out where the hell it put the files, because the linux file structure is a nightmare a power user has to see to truly be terrified by. That is, unless you LIKE being thrown back to the nightmarish days of the early PC revolution when some people had every program in their system installed in a single directory!
You've never even used 2003. It's streamlined for admin usage. I can even run custom scripts to administer it now. It's a complete power user server OS.
I thought that was clear, I haven't tried 2003, and probably won't in the near future. I'm certainly not going to take your word for it that it's any better, seeing as I've seen so many people swearing by Windows "You seem to have some icons on your desktop...may I remove them?" XP, and how user freindly it is, I wouldn't believe a testamonial about another Windows OS unless I'd seen it myself, or I knew the person well enough that I could infer that they actually knew what they were talking about. No offense, but I don't know you, and you could for all I know be just another one of the 16 year old "I can play doom on my PC at home so I'm a computer tech" people who are poisoning IT.
If Windows XP is an indication about how Windows is moving, very few people who aren't demented retarts really want a perfect form of that. Listen -- if I want my OS talking to me like some special needs student ("Hi there! I noticed you're trying to search your hard drive! That's SUPER! Ooh, can I help?"), I'll use XP, and probably 2003. If I'd rather not, I'll use any other OS on the face of the planet.
No OS can be all things to all people unless it's got the modularity of an OS like Linux on it's side. The Windows Monolith will go further and further towards condescending users out of buying it, and it's perfection will be so sweet that none but naieve children will want to taste it.
I'd say it would be a good use for a (-1, Stupid) moderation. We seriously need one of those. We can use it on all those 12 year olds who let us know that "M$ is teh ghey!", or the people who say things like "Oh geez, that new version of windows is pretty popular! maybe we should stop using linux now!".:D
In "the making of...", they mention that they started filming the next two shortly after the first was completed. One doesn't just fling out two full-length movie scripts(with revisions) in a couple months -- especially when they have the continuity of The Matrix vs. reloaded. They had wanted to make a trilogy from the beginning.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This isn't, and has never been about, morality. The RIAA member companies have so much blood on their hands they'll never be able to wash it off. All they have is decades of sleaze, and a computer program that works as a strange form of Karma.
You don't need to be convincing me. I'm a musician(among other things -- these "computer" things are wonderful for decreasing the capital investment required for things like this), and probably a hundred people have downloaded my work, in one form or another.
That's one-hundred more people than would have heard it otherwise.
total income possible without the internet? Zero. On the other hand, it would have been zero either way. Of course, that doesn't stop me from wishing I could randomly sue people for millions of dollars. ^ ^
Hmmm.... $8500 lost before production costs. How tragic. Now the poor kid'll have to get a real job in an industry that doesn't treat it's artists like dirt. There aren't enough tears to express my sadness at the thought of some kid actually having a decent job... <sob>
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Your legal analgoue is so far off it makes me wonder if you have the slightest idea what you're talking about. This would be more like letting their building fall into disrepair so they fail to pass fire code, but they repair the building before anything happens. The crime is NOT on par with someone getting hurt, since nobody has been harmed(unless SCO straining their bullshit glands counts).
IMMATERIAL. You cannot just "take back" code and say everything is OK.
Why not? Since the code was never used for commercial purposes, since it's not hard to delete versions of the kernel which contain offending code, since it's an open, public project being contributed to for free, and since the code has been changed, why isn't it enough to just remove the offending code and call it OK?
MAY HAVE BEEN, according to SGI. However they were concerned enough to remove the code.
You seem to have no experience with potential liability in a company. When given the choice between spending a little money to remove suspect code which may well be perfectly fine, and leaving it in, and subjecting itself to the risk of liability, the vast majority of companies I've worked for will err on the side of safety.
(erm...NT4 to 2000 on client machines.)
(Loss leader? I should stop using words when I only have an inkling to their true meaning. It does save 5-10%, even in the worst case scenario, and when we're talking millions of dollars, that's not small potatoes)
While their efforts are a bit misguided, they do have a point. Leaving out any exception allowing commercial software to be used is downright silly, and it could not only hurt developers of custom solutions, but the users in government of said solutions, who would have to take dramatic steps to ensure they could do their jobs!
I do take issue at the silliness of their TCO arguement though -- any software will require retraining, even, in some instances, updates between versions (For instance, the last place I worked has spent good sums of money on training for techs trying to upgrade their aging Windows NT 4.0 servers to a Windows 2000 ActiveDirectory platform, and the entire staff was retrained to some degree when we upgraded from NT4 to Windows 2000), and the fact that software does, even in their worst-case theoretical model, constitute 5-10% of the total cost, make it a loss leader even before you factor in the lowered costs due to reduced virus proliferation.
Jesus. That's strange. I'm in Electrical Engineering, and in our class of 100, there are 4 women. Can't speak for chemical engineering at our college though...
I think you're living in a dream world. It takes more than a nice set of threads to get laid. Getting out of anything involving engineering is a good start. Try getting into business. Human resources. Stuff like that.
Engineering, and by extention, computer engineering, is very much a manly thing. Too manly. If you don't believe me, just take a look at the (anything) engineering classes at the local college or university. Not all engineers are pasty nerds, but they ARE almost all men.
The Radeon 9600XT and Radeon 9800XT are so advanced, their names stand for "eXtended Technology". Unfortunately, this means that we had to break SOME backwards compatibility with older versions.
OpenGL support? Well, specific applications can choose to support it in MS-DOS, and our video subsystems are so fast, it will only take SEVEN HOURS AND TEN SECONDS to run the "draw wine glass" benchmark popularized by SGI! The 9800XT can even do this in STUNNING CGA COLOUR!
DirectX? You must mean direct framebuffer access. Yes, our systems indeed have full access to the the 0xA000 and 0xB800 segments, and the CGA registers as well, so programmers can have full, lightning fast access to the stunning high resolution graphics!
The Radeon 9600 XT runs at a whopping 4.77Mhz, and boasts an unbelievable 640kb of onboard ram! It also has state-of-the art, high resolution monochrome graphics(710x480), and is more than enough for all your computing needs. The Radeon 9800 XT takes that same incredible system and adds a gargantuan 5Mb Hard drive and stunning CGA graphics!
Radeon 9600 XT:$5000.00
Radeon 9800 XT:$6800.00
ORDER TODAY!
LOL!
GTG, TTYL!
FYI BTW, WTF?
XP is 2k, but crap. Insurmountable, unbelievable crap. Really, I couldn't believe how badly they fucked up the fundamentally great 2k core either.
(vastly increased laptop support? Care to elabourate?)
I have, but admittedly I wasn't the one responsible for setting up the network or the laptop, so it could be a problem addressed before I had a chance to test the network(it was only a few weeks old at that point though...). My only wireless experience
:) )
I wonder if it would be possible to create a patch which could move the relevant DLL files responsible for things such as the speedier disk transfer speeds under NTFS or the better wireless networking into 2k. If that was possible, we could take the few minor flaws in 2k (or the few minor enhancements in XP) and fix them...
(but 2k is still far superior. If you want proof, just click on This link to the XP helpcenter.
Win2k is far superior to WinXP in every concievable way ever. Don't forget that. It's faster, more stable, more versatile, more robust, has a nicer car, a cuter girlfreind and is better in bed.
Theoretically XP is faster in some areas, but theoretically, communism works. No wonder Microsoft was so quick to ditch win2k!
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:)
Look at the thread you posted this in.
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Nice troll.
Sod off. If stating my opinion is a troll, then every post ever written beyond purely technical "To print onto the screen, you can use the printf statement in C, but that's just one of many ways to do it" is a troll.
It's not.
So, you work for Microsoft? If you don't you're just being an arrogant fool stating things so surely. Seeing as Microsoft made XP, I see no reason to believe that the rubber room UI isn't going to be a constant trend continued in Longhorn.
Your attitude is going to draw so many Linux newbie converts, I'm sure.
So? Who gives a fuck about linux? Who said I'm even talking about linux as an alternative? Linux is a nightmare in the other direction. You know what you want to do but not exactly how to do it? well I hope your network connection is running, because there isn't a unified control panel to change it, and you're probably going to have to type some arcane spells into the command line to get what you want to happen to work. Want to install some software? Well I hope it comes with an installer, because if it doesn't, you're not going to get any nice icons on the desktop or in the KDE or Gnome menus, that's for certain! You're probably going to have to rpm -q or something like that to figure out where the hell it put the files, because the linux file structure is a nightmare a power user has to see to truly be terrified by. That is, unless you LIKE being thrown back to the nightmarish days of the early PC revolution when some people had every program in their system installed in a single directory!
You've never even used 2003. It's streamlined for admin usage. I can even run custom scripts to administer it now. It's a complete power user server OS.
I thought that was clear, I haven't tried 2003, and probably won't in the near future. I'm certainly not going to take your word for it that it's any better, seeing as I've seen so many people swearing by Windows "You seem to have some icons on your desktop...may I remove them?" XP, and how user freindly it is, I wouldn't believe a testamonial about another Windows OS unless I'd seen it myself, or I knew the person well enough that I could infer that they actually knew what they were talking about. No offense, but I don't know you, and you could for all I know be just another one of the 16 year old "I can play doom on my PC at home so I'm a computer tech" people who are poisoning IT.
If Windows XP is an indication about how Windows is moving, very few people who aren't demented retarts really want a perfect form of that. Listen -- if I want my OS talking to me like some special needs student ("Hi there! I noticed you're trying to search your hard drive! That's SUPER! Ooh, can I help?"), I'll use XP, and probably 2003. If I'd rather not, I'll use any other OS on the face of the planet.
No OS can be all things to all people unless it's got the modularity of an OS like Linux on it's side. The Windows Monolith will go further and further towards condescending users out of buying it, and it's perfection will be so sweet that none but naieve children will want to taste it.
I'd say it would be a good use for a (-1, Stupid) moderation. We seriously need one of those. We can use it on all those 12 year olds who let us know that "M$ is teh ghey!", or the people who say things like "Oh geez, that new version of windows is pretty popular! maybe we should stop using linux now!". :D
Woah! Now if you could only run that emulator with the fancy filtering on the Playstation, your example would actually be relevant!
If you don't have the reading comprehension of a 12 year old, why bother posting? In fact, why bother reading in the first place?
And the always popular "EXCELLENT!!!"
In "the making of...", they mention that they started filming the next two shortly after the first was completed. One doesn't just fling out two full-length movie scripts(with revisions) in a couple months -- especially when they have the continuity of The Matrix vs. reloaded. They had wanted to make a trilogy from the beginning.
If I walked into a music store and stuck a CD down my pants, then I'd be stealing a $20 CD.
Or sexual assault...depends on if you let the CD escape, I suppose. Just bury it in the back yard and nobody will be the wiser!
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This isn't, and has never been about, morality. The RIAA member companies have so much blood on their hands they'll never be able to wash it off. All they have is decades of sleaze, and a computer program that works as a strange form of Karma.
You don't need to be convincing me. I'm a musician(among other things -- these "computer" things are wonderful for decreasing the capital investment required for things like this), and probably a hundred people have downloaded my work, in one form or another.
That's one-hundred more people than would have heard it otherwise.
total income possible without the internet? Zero. On the other hand, it would have been zero either way. Of course, that doesn't stop me from wishing I could randomly sue people for millions of dollars. ^ ^
HowManyDownloads = 100000 .01
SongsPerAlbum = 20
SalesPercentage =
CDPrice = 17.00
MoneyLost = ((HowManyDownloads / SongsPerAlbum) * CDPrice) * SalesPercentage
Hmmm.... $8500 lost before production costs. How tragic. Now the poor kid'll have to get a real job in an industry that doesn't treat it's artists like dirt. There aren't enough tears to express my sadness at the thought of some kid actually having a decent job... <sob>