if it's running applications designed for the PC --- PCI slots --- AGP4X bus
Hence the whole "perverted standards" thing.
If Macs used x86 processors, and like the X-Box, the only significant difference between a real PC and that was a few broken standards and the proprietary BIOS, I'd be accusing Apple of doing the same thing.
Maybe I'm just foolish, believing that one must *innovate* to call oneself innovative?
Perhaps I'm just getting a bit too cynical, seeing regular people eat the hype up, and seeing people who supposedly hate MS throwing out some lame excuse why this isn't supporting Microsoft, or why it doesn't matter.
I'm definitely getting irritated at that same companies continued existance after the shit they've pulled on the DoJ. If an individual had done the same kind of thing (Think "I've seen Windows 98 without Internet explorer installed" "oh...well you're wrong. That's not possible", or "Here are all the people who support the freedom to innovate -- oh yeah, a lot of them are dead")
I wish I could just close my eyes to the bullshit of corporate America sometimes...It would help me sleep better.
Oh yeah...also, ATX isn't a company. It's a power supply standard for PCs. I'm not sure if you realized that, but by the way you worded it, it sounded like you misunderstood what significance that held.
You're not paying for anything but access to the internet under their terms(now keep in mind that *their* terms, when you signed up, was for unlimited bandwidth and unlimited usage). If they can't support the infastructure to back this up, they shouldn't be in business.
It's even more like going to a party, and the host has everybody going to the party pay a fee (say...50 dollars) for all the beer they can drink(that's unlimited beer.), but it turns out that they didn't buy enough beer, so that unlimited beer becomes X beers, then you pay through the nose.
Are the people who drank a little more than everybody else to blame? I'd say it's the fault of the guy who didn't buy enough beer in the first place.
How is a completely different system architecture, running an elabourate emulaton, more PC than a system which is primarily composed of modified PC hardware?
First: It does run Windows. It's OS is the win2k kernel.
Second: The point of my long post is that it uses virtually the same hardware as a PC -- especially with regards to things which make coding easy/difficult. The largest difference between the X-box and a regular PC seems to be the BIOS.
What you see as merely using commodity hardware, I see as MS once again taking a well-established standard, perverting it to break compatibility with everybody else, and marketing it as something 'new' or 'innovative'.
Well, lets take a look.
Let's look at what's in my PC right now.
x86 processor by AMD
Geforce series video chipset by nVidia
Windows operating System
DirectX 8.0
USB which works with many peripherals
ATA-100 IDE controller
Ethernet card
128 MB of DDR RAM
ATX power supply
TV-Out by conexant
Let's look at what an X-Box has in it right now.
x86 processor by Intel
Geforce series video chipset by nVidia
Windows Operating System
DirectX 8.0USB which works with MS peripherals
ATA-100 IDE controller
Ethernet Card
64MB of DDR RAMTV-OUT by conexant
ATX Power Supply
I'd say that the comparison is a fair one -- how close do we have to get to a bootable PC which accepts RH7.2 CDs on autoboot before people will concede that it's a broken, proprietary PC?
Yeah, and what's the point in drinking beer unless you chug the whole keg? And why do they charge more for the keg than for a single bottle? They should charge one price for drinking beer, no matter how much I drink...
I think this is more like buying the keg, and while you are drinking the beer(after you've paid for it, mind you), the guy who sold you the keg tells you that you can't drink the entire keg, or else he'll charge you more.
Kind of stupid, if you ask me. If they want to sell high-speed internet, they should be ready to create an infastructure to support it, no matter how many people use it. They've paid for their internet, why the hell shouldn't they be allowed to use it as they like (especially when there was nothing in the contract they signed about limited bandwidth)?
If they are having that many problems, perhaps they should switch to Token-ring instead of Ethernet?
BS. Cockroaches, maybe. Humans, no. Just wait until something evolves that preys on humans, muahahahaha. >D
Nothing can evolve which preys on humans, because we'd kill it before it got the chance. That's the way it's been for thousands of years. If there was a panther stalking a village, a freindly mob would form to destroy the menace.
The only way that could happen is if some sort of alien killing machine was unleashed, but I seriously doubt that any species as advanced as that(interstellar flight)would bother with something so small.
Consider other things though. While the initial cost is high, electrical power for 1GB of RAM is lower than that of 1GB of hard drive, and since RAM is solid state, maintenence costs would be tiny. Imagine the costs of keeping a few hundred hard drives, each rattling away 24/7 from dying out!
My laptop needs a battery to run. If you plug in the AC while there isn't one installed, it won't accept the power supply. I assume this has something to do with the way the battery charges (perhaps the supply needs the battery to pull power from the supply?).
Doing something isn't always better than doing nothing.
"Doing something" is usually how you make things worse.
If I stick you in the space shuttle, and it breaks down, I think I'd rather you DO NOTHING. You'll only fuck it up. Make it worse.
We don't need that kind of "help".
Please sit down in the back seat, be quiet and let the pros handle it.
Now step along son. Nothing here to see.
The pros wussed out. Microsoft has recieved one too many slaps on the wrist for my liking, and I'd rather start trying to punish them on my own, and perhaps incite others to do the same, than sit back and once again allow these criminals get such a slap on the wrist.
If you want to have a Games PC, you get a games PC. If you want a work PC, get a work PC. Don't bitch when the objectives combine. The only thing there stopping you from upgrading seems you be you.
I don't know...At least he's doing *something*. Rather than sit on his ass and bitch about how bad MS is, he's doing something.
I won't help anyone with XP. I could, but since it's obvious that the pansy ass US government isn't going to do anything to subdue these criminals, it's really my duty to break off support.
Perhaps this guy had the same idea?
Besides, do you realize how much bandwidth Outlook viruses cost?
No, you're wrong. My AMD processor says it's... oops, the heatsink fell off and the CPU fried itself.
Sorry, that's AMDs fault right there. They shouldn't be letting retards with no motor skills try to put together a modern PC. BAD AMD! BAD!
People should really lighten up -- I suppose you'd be blaming AMD if a power surge caused your power supply to send 1000V DC into your board, destroying all the components? Electronics are designed to be used in a certain way(ie. a CPU which runs at such a high speed, and does more computations than the entire computing world 25 years ago runs hot, and was designed to run with a heat sync), and if someone isn't functional enough(alternate:Is mentally retarded or is suffering from parkinsons disease) to ensure that their heatsync doesn't fall off, maybe they shouldn't be allowed around complex electronics.
Oops! My heatsync fell off and shorted out my video card, destroying it. BAD NVIDIA! BAD!
I have no clue. Perhaps it's a grab at the PS/2 market, like "Hey, I love that game! What?! The sequel is only coming out for dreamcast? I've gotta get one! What? 50 dollars? SWEET!"
...
maybe this whole thing has been a clever ploy by Sega to lower prices, and the dreamcast never died at all?
As for the rest:
-It's usually obvious when cards come out, based on reviewer slant, which companies will survive. At the time of the TNT, it was either that or the Voodoo(actually, I think voodoo2) if you wanted to buy a card you knew would last. Personally, that's why I bought the Geforce 2 MX. I get enough performance for my needs, and I get a fairly high quality TV-out as well. Everythings a lottery there though, and just as you could have ran out of luck and bought a ViRGE, you could have bought a sega 32x, or a Sega Saturn...or a Sega Dreamcast(this is an awkward pattern, but you get the idea.). The whole industry is rather volitile, so it's a gamble to pick anything up. Just go with who you think will stick around long enough to support your card. I would have sworn 3dfx was unstoppable before the voodoo 5 came out, but then things started to go downhill...
Games which require DirectX will usually install it during the installation. The process is nearly automatic, so it falls under the category of "I don't need to do anything, why should I care?".
As for a PC, I think that whole "support" thing is a myth anyway. Oh no! My hard drive just failed! Well, I'll bring it back to the place I bought it from, because they sent me a defective part. Sure, I could get an Compaq, but that's quite a hassle! It's a matter of trying to stay a little informed before you shop. Plan before you put down the cash. Don't be suprised if you end up with a lemon(or a K-Mart blue light PC:) ) if you don't. I ended up buying a really cheap, suprisingly reliable SiS 735 motherboard from PC Chips. Why did I go with that company? Well, Every PC Chips board I've owned in the past has been slow and unstable, but -- BUT! I did the research this time into the issues I was worried about (broken PCTEL modem, general slowness, instability, lockups), and after learning about the board, and it's twin (the EKsomething...), and all the praise it got from users and press, I went with it, after I also tried to find out it's weaknessess(note: The only weakness I found was that people still don't trust PC Chips.)
...and a Console is much harder to fix than a PC. Really, the modular design of a PC just can't be beaten for repair purposes. Even replacing broken components is just as easy. Just think smaller. Don't ask for a refund on the entire PC because the CD-ROM died, just ask for a new CD-ROM. 50 bucks if you're out of warantee, rather than the cost of a whole new console,
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I think it would be considered against the settlement. :)
I was thinking this too -- until I remembered that the US isn't even a semblance of a democracy any more.
Majority loses to the rich or important minority.
It would be if it ran a Geforce 4, standard hard drives, a slightly modified Apple DVD-ROM, and a slimmed down version of Mac OSX.
if it's running applications designed for the PC --- PCI slots --- AGP4X bus
Hence the whole "perverted standards" thing.
If Macs used x86 processors, and like the X-Box, the only significant difference between a real PC and that was a few broken standards and the proprietary BIOS, I'd be accusing Apple of doing the same thing.
Maybe I'm just foolish, believing that one must *innovate* to call oneself innovative?
Perhaps I'm just getting a bit too cynical, seeing regular people eat the hype up, and seeing people who supposedly hate MS throwing out some lame excuse why this isn't supporting Microsoft, or why it doesn't matter.
I'm definitely getting irritated at that same companies continued existance after the shit they've pulled on the DoJ. If an individual had done the same kind of thing (Think "I've seen Windows 98 without Internet explorer installed" "oh...well you're wrong. That's not possible", or "Here are all the people who support the freedom to innovate -- oh yeah, a lot of them are dead")
I wish I could just close my eyes to the bullshit of corporate America sometimes...It would help me sleep better.
Oh yeah...also, ATX isn't a company. It's a power supply standard for PCs. I'm not sure if you realized that, but by the way you worded it, it sounded like you misunderstood what significance that held.
You're not paying for anything but access to the internet under their terms(now keep in mind that *their* terms, when you signed up, was for unlimited bandwidth and unlimited usage). If they can't support the infastructure to back this up, they shouldn't be in business.
It's even more like going to a party, and the host has everybody going to the party pay a fee (say...50 dollars) for all the beer they can drink(that's unlimited beer.), but it turns out that they didn't buy enough beer, so that unlimited beer becomes X beers, then you pay through the nose.
Are the people who drank a little more than everybody else to blame? I'd say it's the fault of the guy who didn't buy enough beer in the first place.
How is a completely different system architecture, running an elabourate emulaton, more PC than a system which is primarily composed of modified PC hardware?
First: It does run Windows. It's OS is the win2k kernel.
Second: The point of my long post is that it uses virtually the same hardware as a PC -- especially with regards to things which make coding easy/difficult. The largest difference between the X-box and a regular PC seems to be the BIOS.
What you see as merely using commodity hardware, I see as MS once again taking a well-established standard, perverting it to break compatibility with everybody else, and marketing it as something 'new' or 'innovative'.
Well, lets take a look.
Let's look at what's in my PC right now.
x86 processor by AMD
Geforce series video chipset by nVidia
Windows operating System
DirectX 8.0
USB which works with many peripherals
ATA-100 IDE controller
Ethernet card
128 MB of DDR RAM
ATX power supply
TV-Out by conexant
Let's look at what an X-Box has in it right now.
x86 processor by Intel
Geforce series video chipset by nVidia
Windows Operating System
DirectX 8.0USB which works with MS peripherals
ATA-100 IDE controller
Ethernet Card
64MB of DDR RAMTV-OUT by conexant
ATX Power Supply
I'd say that the comparison is a fair one -- how close do we have to get to a bootable PC which accepts RH7.2 CDs on autoboot before people will concede that it's a broken, proprietary PC?
That's why I bought a PC rather than a console
:)
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That, and I like writing my own software, meaning that it'll be a cold day in hell before I can do what I want with my hardware if I go with an X-Box.
But then..........I'd buy a PS2, because all the cool games are made on that.
Remember that the X-Box is basically a proprietary PC. Porting *will* be childs play!
Yeah, and what's the point in drinking beer unless you chug the whole keg? And why do they charge more for the keg than for a single bottle? They should charge one price for drinking beer, no matter how much I drink...
I think this is more like buying the keg, and while you are drinking the beer(after you've paid for it, mind you), the guy who sold you the keg tells you that you can't drink the entire keg, or else he'll charge you more.
Kind of stupid, if you ask me. If they want to sell high-speed internet, they should be ready to create an infastructure to support it, no matter how many people use it. They've paid for their internet, why the hell shouldn't they be allowed to use it as they like (especially when there was nothing in the contract they signed about limited bandwidth)?
If they are having that many problems, perhaps they should switch to Token-ring instead of Ethernet?
I assumed that the word 'prey' showed it would be a predator. Those are parasites.
It must be an old quote. It's been said many times that the new Doom will need a Geforce 3 because it will utilize per-pixel shading.
BS. Cockroaches, maybe. Humans, no. Just wait until something evolves that preys on humans, muahahahaha. >D
Nothing can evolve which preys on humans, because we'd kill it before it got the chance. That's the way it's been for thousands of years. If there was a panther stalking a village, a freindly mob would form to destroy the menace.
The only way that could happen is if some sort of alien killing machine was unleashed, but I seriously doubt that any species as advanced as that(interstellar flight)would bother with something so small.
Consider other things though. While the initial cost is high, electrical power for 1GB of RAM is lower than that of 1GB of hard drive, and since RAM is solid state, maintenence costs would be tiny. Imagine the costs of keeping a few hundred hard drives, each rattling away 24/7 from dying out!
When we're talking shareware, the programmers get 100% of my 15-50 bucks, rather than a penny. Think about it.
"... I have absolutely no experiences (XP :) ..."
XP stand for experimental.
as in Microsoft Windows eXPerimental.
You....don't get out much, do you?
Rule number 1: If you need to explain the joke, especially in this crowd, it's probably not nearly as funny as you think it is.
Rule number 2: If you feel the need to send us the same joke again, at least make it original!
bad example:
XP stands for unknown(as in X) Piracy.
Unfortunately, that's the way it must be if you wish to have a stable PC like that.
My laptop needs a battery to run. If you plug in the AC while there isn't one installed, it won't accept the power supply. I assume this has something to do with the way the battery charges (perhaps the supply needs the battery to pull power from the supply?).
"At least he's doing *something*. "
Doing something isn't always better than doing nothing.
"Doing something" is usually how you make things worse.
If I stick you in the space shuttle, and it breaks down, I think I'd rather you DO NOTHING. You'll only fuck it up. Make it worse.
We don't need that kind of "help".
Please sit down in the back seat, be quiet and let the pros handle it.
Now step along son. Nothing here to see.
The pros wussed out. Microsoft has recieved one too many slaps on the wrist for my liking, and I'd rather start trying to punish them on my own, and perhaps incite others to do the same, than sit back and once again allow these criminals get such a slap on the wrist.
If you want to have a Games PC, you get a games PC. If you want a work PC, get a work PC. Don't bitch when the objectives combine. The only thing there stopping you from upgrading seems you be you.
I don't know...At least he's doing *something*. Rather than sit on his ass and bitch about how bad MS is, he's doing something.
I won't help anyone with XP. I could, but since it's obvious that the pansy ass US government isn't going to do anything to subdue these criminals, it's really my duty to break off support.
Perhaps this guy had the same idea?
Besides, do you realize how much bandwidth Outlook viruses cost?
No, you're wrong. My AMD processor says it's... oops, the heatsink fell off and the CPU fried itself.
Sorry, that's AMDs fault right there. They shouldn't be letting retards with no motor skills try to put together a modern PC. BAD AMD! BAD!
People should really lighten up -- I suppose you'd be blaming AMD if a power surge caused your power supply to send 1000V DC into your board, destroying all the components? Electronics are designed to be used in a certain way(ie. a CPU which runs at such a high speed, and does more computations than the entire computing world 25 years ago runs hot, and was designed to run with a heat sync), and if someone isn't functional enough(alternate:Is mentally retarded or is suffering from parkinsons disease) to ensure that their heatsync doesn't fall off, maybe they shouldn't be allowed around complex electronics.
Oops! My heatsync fell off and shorted out my video card, destroying it. BAD NVIDIA! BAD!
I'll start with your last point first.
:) ) if you don't. I ended up buying a really cheap, suprisingly reliable SiS 735 motherboard from PC Chips. Why did I go with that company? Well, Every PC Chips board I've owned in the past has been slow and unstable, but -- BUT! I did the research this time into the issues I was worried about (broken PCTEL modem, general slowness, instability, lockups), and after learning about the board, and it's twin (the EKsomething...), and all the praise it got from users and press, I went with it, after I also tried to find out it's weaknessess(note: The only weakness I found was that people still don't trust PC Chips.)
I have no clue. Perhaps it's a grab at the PS/2 market, like "Hey, I love that game! What?! The sequel is only coming out for dreamcast? I've gotta get one! What? 50 dollars? SWEET!"
...
maybe this whole thing has been a clever ploy by Sega to lower prices, and the dreamcast never died at all?
As for the rest:
-It's usually obvious when cards come out, based on reviewer slant, which companies will survive. At the time of the TNT, it was either that or the Voodoo(actually, I think voodoo2) if you wanted to buy a card you knew would last. Personally, that's why I bought the Geforce 2 MX. I get enough performance for my needs, and I get a fairly high quality TV-out as well. Everythings a lottery there though, and just as you could have ran out of luck and bought a ViRGE, you could have bought a sega 32x, or a Sega Saturn...or a Sega Dreamcast(this is an awkward pattern, but you get the idea.). The whole industry is rather volitile, so it's a gamble to pick anything up. Just go with who you think will stick around long enough to support your card. I would have sworn 3dfx was unstoppable before the voodoo 5 came out, but then things started to go downhill...
Games which require DirectX will usually install it during the installation. The process is nearly automatic, so it falls under the category of "I don't need to do anything, why should I care?".
As for a PC, I think that whole "support" thing is a myth anyway. Oh no! My hard drive just failed! Well, I'll bring it back to the place I bought it from, because they sent me a defective part. Sure, I could get an Compaq, but that's quite a hassle! It's a matter of trying to stay a little informed before you shop. Plan before you put down the cash. Don't be suprised if you end up with a lemon(or a K-Mart blue light PC
...and a Console is much harder to fix than a PC. Really, the modular design of a PC just can't be beaten for repair purposes. Even replacing broken components is just as easy. Just think smaller. Don't ask for a refund on the entire PC because the CD-ROM died, just ask for a new CD-ROM. 50 bucks if you're out of warantee, rather than the cost of a whole new console,